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k a March Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
Mar 2, 2025
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Mar 2, 2025
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k i Suggestion Form
jwelsh   0
May 6, 2021
Hello!

Given the number of suggestions we’ve been receiving, we’re transitioning to a suggestion form. If you have a suggestion for the AoPS website, please submit the Google Form:
Suggestion Form

To keep all new suggestions together, any new suggestion threads posted will be deleted.

Please remember that if you find a bug outside of FTW! (after refreshing to make sure it’s not a glitch), make sure you’re following the How to write a bug report instructions and using the proper format to report the bug.

Please check the FTW! thread for bugs and post any new ones in the For the Win! and Other Games Support Forum.
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jwelsh
May 6, 2021
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k i Read me first / How to write a bug report
slester   3
N May 4, 2019 by LauraZed
Greetings, AoPS users!

If you're reading this post, that means you've come across some kind of bug, error, or misbehavior, which nobody likes! To help us developers solve the problem as quickly as possible, we need enough information to understand what happened. Following these guidelines will help us squash those bugs more effectively.

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Example
Summary of the problem: When I click back and forth between two threads in the site support section, the content of the threads no longer show up. (See attached screenshot.)
Page URL: http://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c10_site_support
Steps to reproduce:
1. Go to the Site Support forum.
2. Click on any thread.
3. Click quickly on a different thread.
Expected behavior: To see the second thread.
Frequency: Every time
Operating system: Mac OS X
Browser: Chrome and Firefox
Additional information: Only happens in the Site Support forum. My tablet is school issued, but I have the problem at both school and home.

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Apr 9, 2015
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May 4, 2019
k i Community Safety
dcouchman   0
Jan 18, 2018
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Jan 18, 2018
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Reflections
junlongsun   2
N 2 minutes ago by AMathCountsguy10
2024 State S25:
A beetle starts at the point with coordinates (8, 5), travels to a point on the line
y = 2, then to some point on the line y = x, and then finally travels to the point
with coordinates (5, 4). One possible path that the beetle might follow is shown.
What is the length of the shortest possible path
that the beetle could take? Express your answer
in simplest radical form

I've heard people talking about reflecting over y=x and y=2, how does that work?
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junlongsun
2 hours ago
AMathCountsguy10
2 minutes ago
Geometric problem
Notsurefornoworever   0
14 minutes ago
Let ABC be a right triangle with a right angle BCA. Let CD be the altitude from vertex C to AB. Prove that the distances from the point D to the legs is proportional to the lengths of the legs.
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Notsurefornoworever
14 minutes ago
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k mathcounts advice pls
muuheng   3
N an hour ago by aoh11
hi i have around 9 days until my state round competition, and my chapter score was 32. My state isn't that competitive, so i think the cutoff for nats last year was like 31, and i scored second in my chapter but i'm from a less competitive chapter. I think tenth place this year for the most competitive chapter in my state got 34? (as well as 11th thru maybe 20th place). So can anyone whose like orz give me like advice on how to lock in 9 days so maybe i can make it to state top 10 or maybe even nationals (i'm only hoping for top 10 but any help is appreciated :love: ). also anyone wanna guess my state for fun. and maybe if you've taken the state yet tell me how it went pretty pls
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muuheng
Today at 5:45 AM
aoh11
an hour ago
My MATHCOUNTS journey + I need advice
nitride   22
N an hour ago by aoh11
So I don't really care if I dox myself but I went to one of the single worst chapters in all of Florida, the Indian river chapter(even the runner of mathcounts states was sayin we would lose to osprey in states). I don't exactly know what my score is, but all I know is that I got 1st place sprint and chapter but then sold CD. If I had to guess, my score was around the 30-37 range. I also mocked at around a 70 on amc 10. My questions are:
1.
What are my chances of me getting nats qual
2.
Should I study the day before the competition
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nitride
Today at 1:36 AM
aoh11
an hour ago
k Blocked from editing forum pages
yoyo97   1
N Jan 26, 2024 by jlacosta
Summary of the problem: I am trying to edit forum pages to post amc8 solutions but it says I have been blocked.

Page URL: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php?title=2024_AMC_8_Problems/Problem_19&action=edit
Steps to reproduce:
1. I go to a forum page
2. I click edit
...
Expected behavior: blocked message (attached)
Frequency: every time
Operating system(s): mac
Browser(s), including version: safari
Additional information:
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yoyo97
Jan 26, 2024
jlacosta
Jan 26, 2024
k AOPS Mathcounts Practice Test
ultimatehero   9
N Dec 27, 2023 by ultimatehero
Hello,

I completed the mathcounts practice test, offered by AOPS (not the official school round) and would like to see a breakdown of the solutions to see if there are any other interesting approaches to solve the various problems. If a solution page similar to the AMC10 and AMC8 practice contest solutions from AOPS could be provided, that would be amazing.
9 replies
ultimatehero
Dec 26, 2023
ultimatehero
Dec 27, 2023
k AMC Past Events Typo-ish
Atoms789   3
N Jun 26, 2023 by LoreleiA
Summary of the problem: The past events slide for the AMC 8 competition say that students can participate in the "competitions" plural instead of singular.
Page URL: https://artofproblemsolving.com/contests/amc
Steps to reproduce:
1. Go to page URL
2. Scroll down to Past Events
3. Click Load More
4. Scroll down to the AMC 8 on January 18.
5. Notice the typo.
Expected behavior: The slide should say "competition" instead of "competitions"
Frequency: 100%
Additional information: In Past Events, AIME is referred to as a "competition" rather than "competitions" like the AMC 10/12. This shows that AoPS lists singular competitions as "the competition" rather than "the competitions."

@jmiao
AoPS once said, "No error is too small to mention."
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Atoms789
Jun 24, 2023
LoreleiA
Jun 26, 2023
k Where is the AMC 8 mock exam on AoPS
Andrew2019   3
N Jan 15, 2023 by Mr.BigBrain_AOPS
AoPS usually has a mock AMC 8 before the actual test. Where is it?
3 replies
Andrew2019
Jan 15, 2023
Mr.BigBrain_AOPS
Jan 15, 2023
k 2022 AMC 8 math jam
falco_sparverius   8
N Jan 28, 2022 by falco_sparverius
Hi. When I joined the 2022 AMC 8 math jam, @lizhufan was the instructor. When I look at the transcript, @goveganddomath is the instructor. Can you guys reproduce? What's happening?
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falco_sparverius
Jan 28, 2022
falco_sparverius
Jan 28, 2022
k Is excessive chat use a thing?
mathboy282   13
N Jan 26, 2022 by jwelsh
For the AMC 8, is "excessive chat use" a formidable way for being disqualified - since I asked if I was on the right link and a few other questions about my computer setup, internet if crashing, and last resorts if it crashed. Attached.
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mathboy282
Jan 23, 2022
jwelsh
Jan 26, 2022
AMC8 Practice Solutions are not showing.
A_MatheMagician   4
N Jan 21, 2022 by devenware
In the AMC8 practice competition there is a "Solution" box but there is not solution inside. I tried hard refreshing to no avail. (I know there is also a PDF but that's not the point.)
Also if I am sharing any info about the practice competition that I should not, please tell me so I can fix it.
4 replies
A_MatheMagician
Jan 18, 2022
devenware
Jan 21, 2022
k How did this happen
AngeloChu   7
N Jan 18, 2022 by AngeloChu
so I was on AMC trivial and this happened
I was practicing for the AMC 8 but then for 2013 AMC 8 #12 i put in B, and it said I was wrong, and when I clicked again it said I was correct
probably can't be reproduced
7 replies
AngeloChu
Jan 17, 2022
AngeloChu
Jan 18, 2022
k Honor Code Policy Typo?
aqua2026   6
N Jan 13, 2022 by jwelsh
Hey!

I was about to start the practice AMC 8, when I saw that the honor code policy says, "January 2020" (see screenshot). Is it supposed to say that or is it a typo?

~ Aqua
6 replies
aqua2026
Jan 13, 2022
jwelsh
Jan 13, 2022
k Typo on AMC Historical Results
mahaler   2
N Dec 8, 2021 by mahaler
The HR cutoff for 2019 AMC 8 was 19, not 21:

2 replies
mahaler
Dec 8, 2021
mahaler
Dec 8, 2021
k Learn how to learn
BOGTRO   28
N May 4, 2015 by thatindiankid55
About a month ago I was PMed by a member, asking for advice as to how to prepare for MATHCOUNTS. I (strangely) get a lot of these types of PMs, but this one was slightly different. Whereas normally I could answer something along the lines of "read Volume 1, do practice tests, profit", this user was complaining that despite having rigorously worked through Volume 1 and CMMS (I still don't know what this is, but it's implied to be a book), he was still scoring only in the low 20s on sprints.

To some extent, I was able to relate. Back in my MATHCOUNTS days, I was doing loads of practice tests, learning new techniques to shave off precious seconds, and even practicing hitting a buzzer quickly. But my results only marginally improved. Gradually I understood that he was facing the exact same problem I was - although we were doing plenty of work, we were doing it in the wrong way.

After some thought, I formulated a long but fairly detailed response. Given that state-national season is rolling around, and with it the usual abundance of "how do I prepare" threads, I'm reproducing it below (with some minor edits). I referenced sprint several times because that was the specific complaint by the user, but obviously you can replace "sprint" with "target" or even "countdown", or any combination thereof.
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You first need to determine why it is that you're getting low scores on sprint. Are you running out of time? Making stupid mistakes? Bad at computation? Or do you honestly not know how to do the problems? The former three are rectified with simply a lot of (effective) practice, where I say "effective" because simply blazing through problems, checking your score, and moving on is not going to help you very much. You need to be critically analyzing almost every problem - not just the ones you got wrong. Sure, you don't need to think too hard about your process on #2, but questions that take you longer than you would like, you get wrong, or you do in a "bashy" way need to be reviewed.

Essentially, you should be following something similar to the following process. Of course, this is not something that is going to work for 100% of people. The point here is not that you should be following these guidelines like a bible, but that you need to think about how to get the maximum benefit out of each practice test you take. You may very well find that the below system doesn't work for you (though you should at least give it a chance - it may seem "boring" at first, but after some time you'll be going through it like it's second nature and learning excellent habits along the way), in which case you should come up with an alteration that works for you. If (or more likely when) you choose to develop your own preparation system, keep in mind that the basic elements should be present - rigorous review of problems you got wrong, self-reflection on why you got them wrong, and so on.
[list]
[*] Take any MATHCOUNTS sprint round under contest conditions. It doesn't really matter which one you take, though it should be fairly recent for best results. When you're done, score with a simple checkmark or X system - don't look through the solutions immediately. Make a note of the problems that took you a long time, even if you got them correct.
[*] Without timing yourself (though you shouldn't spend more than 15 minutes or so), solve the problems that you either got wrong or didn't answer during the test. This will partially tell you if you're getting questions wrong because of time constraints or because you don't know the material.
[*] At this point you should have 4 separate categories of problems:
[list]
[*] Completely correct - don't worry about these at all. Though there is some benefit to looking these over, they are significantly less important than all the other questions.
[*] Correct, but took you a long time. Identify why it took you a long time - and if it matters. A problem taking you 2-3 minutes may sound like a killer, but in general if you only have a couple of these questions that's completely fine. Even if there's only one "timesink", you should be looking through alternate solutions to doing these problems. I find that problems that usually cause timesinks are either geometry problems that are semi-direct applications of similar triangles (which are naturally fairly easy to coordinate bash or something similarly slow, but this may take a while) or counting problems where you just listed out the possibilities and counted them up. Unfortunately, many MATHCOUNTS problems have this as their intended solution, so there's not a great deal you can do about those. However, even though there may not be a cleaner solution, minute steps during your bashing may prove important. And in the event that even with optimizations the problem will still take 2-3 minutes, you may want to just skip it altogether even if you know exactly how to do it.
[*] Incorrect (or blank), but you solved it after the test. These are questions that you know how to do, but you ran out of time doing. Important is to determine how long it took you to solve these questions. If you solved 2 questions in 30 seconds each after the test, clearly that's worse than solving one problem in the second category. These second and third categories are quite similar and should be evaluated against each other (a quite reasonable rule of thumb is to save any counting question that you don't see how to do within ~10 seconds for later).
[*] Incorrect, and you couldn't solve it after the test. Look up the solution, searching (or even posting) on AoPS if necessary (which you should likely do anyway, as MATHCOUNTS official solutions are often horrendous). If it's a situation where you just forgot something that you really knew, it's easy to pass this off as a fluke and move on. However, this is a grave mistake. Perhaps if it happens once or twice in an otherwise good practice, you can kind of gloss over it. But make a note of it anyway. Whenever you hit two problems in the same general category that you didn't solve (keep your categories broad, but not too broad. "Geometry" is too broad a category, while "trignometric relations in geometric models of algebraic inequalities" is too specific to be helpful. Something like "similar triangles" or "factoring" is a much better type of category), you should immediately stop your practicing and look up the relevant sections in whatever book you have (e.g. Volume 1, or whatever CMMS is, or even just an internet search, etc.). Don't move on until you are confident in that area. By "confident", I don't mean that you can approach these kinds of problems once in a while. I mean that once you identify a question as being in your category, you should be able to solve it relatively quickly at least 75% of the time.[/list]
[*] File away every single problem that you got wrong. Categorize these as either "I solved this afterwards" (include the time it took you to solve it - approximate is fine) or "I didn't solve this afterwards". You will need these later. Take a break - read a book, play some FTW, go outside, play League of Legends, whatever floats your boat. There's not much value in overloading yourself, especially so close to chapter. If you're feeling particularly ambitious, review a chapter on a topic that you have trouble with. There is no point to reviewing topics you already can solve problems in regularly.
[*] At the end of the week, collect every single problem on your "incorrect problems list". If you're going through a test a day, these shouldn't number more than 50. Do these like you would a test under contest conditions. Compare your results to your incorrect problems paper (how long it took you to solve the problems, and whether you got them correct). The fact that you've seen the problems already should compensate for the fact that you need to work quicker. If you get a problem wrong, do the same process - don't time yourself while solving all of the remaining problems.
[*] If you got the same problem wrong twice, there are 3 scenarios:
[list]
[*] You got it wrong both times, but finished it after the test both times. This speaks to your (lack of?) time management, something that comes much more naturally with practice. Keep in mind that MATHCOUNTS really only tests a very small amount of concepts (relatively speaking), so working through old problems virtually guarantees that almost all MATHCOUNTS problems will already be more or less familiar to you on test day.
[*] You couldn't solve it at all the first time, but solved it after the test the second time. This is improvement, so it's perfectly fine.
[*] You didn't solve it the second time around. This means that you don't understand the concept - back to the books. [/list]
[*] Take all the problems you got correct (during the test) off your "incorrect problems" sheet, and continue to repeat the process from the top.[/list]

This may seem like quite a bit of work when typed up here, but in reality it's not. Instead of perpetuating the cycle of "do a practice test, score it, move on, read some books in some disorganized fashion, take another practice test, hope for improvement" (not even necessarily in that order, which is even more problematic), instead we optimize this routine by taking a single practice test a day and making sure that we get everything possible out of it. There are only so many tests, and a frequent complaint is that people have run out of old contests to do. While this may be true, this most likely means that they're not doing the tests properly. A single test with the time taken to reflect, organize, and perform a targeted review is significantly more beneficial than 5 tests taken without a goal in mind.

All in all, this should take at most a little over an hour per day (a little more at the end of the week). You are, of course, welcome to do more, but there's a sort of diminishing returns law past a certain point. Devoting a great deal of time to MATHCOUNTS is going to seem like a serious mistake in hindsight (I was among the most guilty of this), especially if you realize you were spending time incredibly inefficiently. I won't give an exact quote here (simply because I don't remember it and a quick search doesn't turn it up), but one MATHCOUNTS winner (Albert Ni?) said something along the lines of
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I knew that I wouldn't be the smartest mathlete competing. But I could, quite realistically, be the hardest working one [...][/quote]
In MATHCOUNTS, that's all that's required. But quantifying the term "hard work" is necessary - someone who is pushing a boulder from point A 25% of the way to point B is doing a lot of work for very little benefit, while someone who uses a truck to carry the same boulder to point B is doing significantly less work for significantly more benefit. Perhaps as a more accurate analogy, take two people in a shooting contest. As soon as the whistle blows, person A starts shooting haphazardly at his target, hitting it once in a while but constantly having to reload. Person B, on the other hand, takes his time, lines up his shots, and hits the target with deadly accuracy. This is very similar to MATHCOUNTS. Person A is blowing through his material quickly, getting little benefit overall, but naturally with the experience of shooting comes some slight improvement. On the other side of things, person B is taking the time to think about how best to use his limited resources to improve as best he can. Sure, he starts off a bit slower, and at the end of the day he might still have some ammunition left unused, but overall he hits the target more. The first approach is popular because it's very easy to feel like you're doing something - after all, if you're spending 4 hours a day on practice MATHCOUNTS tests, you're outworking everyone else, right? Don't fall into this trap. Line up your shots.
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About a month ago I was PMed by a member, asking for advice as to how to prepare for MATHCOUNTS. I (strangely) get a lot of these types of PMs, but this one was slightly different. Whereas normally I could answer something along the lines of "read Volume 1, do practice tests, profit", this user was complaining that despite having rigorously worked through Volume 1 and CMMS (I still don't know what this is, but it's implied to be a book), he was still scoring only in the low 20s on sprints.

To some extent, I was able to relate. Back in my MATHCOUNTS days, I was doing loads of practice tests, learning new techniques to shave off precious seconds, and even practicing hitting a buzzer quickly. But my results only marginally improved. Gradually I understood that he was facing the exact same problem I was - although we were doing plenty of work, we were doing it in the wrong way.

After some thought, I formulated a long but fairly detailed response. Given that state-national season is rolling around, and with it the usual abundance of "how do I prepare" threads, I'm reproducing it below (with some minor edits). I referenced sprint several times because that was the specific complaint by the user, but obviously you can replace "sprint" with "target" or even "countdown", or any combination thereof.
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You first need to determine why it is that you're getting low scores on sprint. Are you running out of time? Making stupid mistakes? Bad at computation? Or do you honestly not know how to do the problems? The former three are rectified with simply a lot of (effective) practice, where I say "effective" because simply blazing through problems, checking your score, and moving on is not going to help you very much. You need to be critically analyzing almost every problem - not just the ones you got wrong. Sure, you don't need to think too hard about your process on #2, but questions that take you longer than you would like, you get wrong, or you do in a "bashy" way need to be reviewed.

Essentially, you should be following something similar to the following process. Of course, this is not something that is going to work for 100% of people. The point here is not that you should be following these guidelines like a bible, but that you need to think about how to get the maximum benefit out of each practice test you take. You may very well find that the below system doesn't work for you (though you should at least give it a chance - it may seem "boring" at first, but after some time you'll be going through it like it's second nature and learning excellent habits along the way), in which case you should come up with an alteration that works for you. If (or more likely when) you choose to develop your own preparation system, keep in mind that the basic elements should be present - rigorous review of problems you got wrong, self-reflection on why you got them wrong, and so on.
  • Take any MATHCOUNTS sprint round under contest conditions. It doesn't really matter which one you take, though it should be fairly recent for best results. When you're done, score with a simple checkmark or X system - don't look through the solutions immediately. Make a note of the problems that took you a long time, even if you got them correct.
  • Without timing yourself (though you shouldn't spend more than 15 minutes or so), solve the problems that you either got wrong or didn't answer during the test. This will partially tell you if you're getting questions wrong because of time constraints or because you don't know the material.
  • At this point you should have 4 separate categories of problems:
    • Completely correct - don't worry about these at all. Though there is some benefit to looking these over, they are significantly less important than all the other questions.
    • Correct, but took you a long time. Identify why it took you a long time - and if it matters. A problem taking you 2-3 minutes may sound like a killer, but in general if you only have a couple of these questions that's completely fine. Even if there's only one "timesink", you should be looking through alternate solutions to doing these problems. I find that problems that usually cause timesinks are either geometry problems that are semi-direct applications of similar triangles (which are naturally fairly easy to coordinate bash or something similarly slow, but this may take a while) or counting problems where you just listed out the possibilities and counted them up. Unfortunately, many MATHCOUNTS problems have this as their intended solution, so there's not a great deal you can do about those. However, even though there may not be a cleaner solution, minute steps during your bashing may prove important. And in the event that even with optimizations the problem will still take 2-3 minutes, you may want to just skip it altogether even if you know exactly how to do it.
    • Incorrect (or blank), but you solved it after the test. These are questions that you know how to do, but you ran out of time doing. Important is to determine how long it took you to solve these questions. If you solved 2 questions in 30 seconds each after the test, clearly that's worse than solving one problem in the second category. These second and third categories are quite similar and should be evaluated against each other (a quite reasonable rule of thumb is to save any counting question that you don't see how to do within ~10 seconds for later).
    • Incorrect, and you couldn't solve it after the test. Look up the solution, searching (or even posting) on AoPS if necessary (which you should likely do anyway, as MATHCOUNTS official solutions are often horrendous). If it's a situation where you just forgot something that you really knew, it's easy to pass this off as a fluke and move on. However, this is a grave mistake. Perhaps if it happens once or twice in an otherwise good practice, you can kind of gloss over it. But make a note of it anyway. Whenever you hit two problems in the same general category that you didn't solve (keep your categories broad, but not too broad. "Geometry" is too broad a category, while "trignometric relations in geometric models of algebraic inequalities" is too specific to be helpful. Something like "similar triangles" or "factoring" is a much better type of category), you should immediately stop your practicing and look up the relevant sections in whatever book you have (e.g. Volume 1, or whatever CMMS is, or even just an internet search, etc.). Don't move on until you are confident in that area. By "confident", I don't mean that you can approach these kinds of problems once in a while. I mean that once you identify a question as being in your category, you should be able to solve it relatively quickly at least 75% of the time.
  • File away every single problem that you got wrong. Categorize these as either "I solved this afterwards" (include the time it took you to solve it - approximate is fine) or "I didn't solve this afterwards". You will need these later. Take a break - read a book, play some FTW, go outside, play League of Legends, whatever floats your boat. There's not much value in overloading yourself, especially so close to chapter. If you're feeling particularly ambitious, review a chapter on a topic that you have trouble with. There is no point to reviewing topics you already can solve problems in regularly.
  • At the end of the week, collect every single problem on your "incorrect problems list". If you're going through a test a day, these shouldn't number more than 50. Do these like you would a test under contest conditions. Compare your results to your incorrect problems paper (how long it took you to solve the problems, and whether you got them correct). The fact that you've seen the problems already should compensate for the fact that you need to work quicker. If you get a problem wrong, do the same process - don't time yourself while solving all of the remaining problems.
  • If you got the same problem wrong twice, there are 3 scenarios:
    • You got it wrong both times, but finished it after the test both times. This speaks to your (lack of?) time management, something that comes much more naturally with practice. Keep in mind that MATHCOUNTS really only tests a very small amount of concepts (relatively speaking), so working through old problems virtually guarantees that almost all MATHCOUNTS problems will already be more or less familiar to you on test day.
    • You couldn't solve it at all the first time, but solved it after the test the second time. This is improvement, so it's perfectly fine.
    • You didn't solve it the second time around. This means that you don't understand the concept - back to the books.
  • Take all the problems you got correct (during the test) off your "incorrect problems" sheet, and continue to repeat the process from the top.

This may seem like quite a bit of work when typed up here, but in reality it's not. Instead of perpetuating the cycle of "do a practice test, score it, move on, read some books in some disorganized fashion, take another practice test, hope for improvement" (not even necessarily in that order, which is even more problematic), instead we optimize this routine by taking a single practice test a day and making sure that we get everything possible out of it. There are only so many tests, and a frequent complaint is that people have run out of old contests to do. While this may be true, this most likely means that they're not doing the tests properly. A single test with the time taken to reflect, organize, and perform a targeted review is significantly more beneficial than 5 tests taken without a goal in mind.

All in all, this should take at most a little over an hour per day (a little more at the end of the week). You are, of course, welcome to do more, but there's a sort of diminishing returns law past a certain point. Devoting a great deal of time to MATHCOUNTS is going to seem like a serious mistake in hindsight (I was among the most guilty of this), especially if you realize you were spending time incredibly inefficiently. I won't give an exact quote here (simply because I don't remember it and a quick search doesn't turn it up), but one MATHCOUNTS winner (Albert Ni?) said something along the lines of
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I knew that I wouldn't be the smartest mathlete competing. But I could, quite realistically, be the hardest working one [...]
In MATHCOUNTS, that's all that's required. But quantifying the term "hard work" is necessary - someone who is pushing a boulder from point A 25% of the way to point B is doing a lot of work for very little benefit, while someone who uses a truck to carry the same boulder to point B is doing significantly less work for significantly more benefit. Perhaps as a more accurate analogy, take two people in a shooting contest. As soon as the whistle blows, person A starts shooting haphazardly at his target, hitting it once in a while but constantly having to reload. Person B, on the other hand, takes his time, lines up his shots, and hits the target with deadly accuracy. This is very similar to MATHCOUNTS. Person A is blowing through his material quickly, getting little benefit overall, but naturally with the experience of shooting comes some slight improvement. On the other side of things, person B is taking the time to think about how best to use his limited resources to improve as best he can. Sure, he starts off a bit slower, and at the end of the day he might still have some ammunition left unused, but overall he hits the target more. The first approach is popular because it's very easy to feel like you're doing something - after all, if you're spending 4 hours a day on practice MATHCOUNTS tests, you're outworking everyone else, right? Don't fall into this trap. Line up your shots.
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Haha, I was the one that PMed you wasn't I? :wink:
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I wholeheartedly agree with this post. THIS is the right way to practice.
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BOGTRO wrote:
Or do you honestly not know how to do the problems?

How would you prepare then? Would you read books? etc.
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Pitiful addition to BOGTRO's excellent advice:

Notice that all the introspection and work suggested depends on what you do. If you are looking to rely on books, past exams, or other "resources" to improve yourself, you are missing a lot; unsolved problems, big issues, e.g. don't get solved by people having other people provide stuff to you.
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ChickenOnRage
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What happens if we run out of recent mathcounts tests?
What are some similar Mathcounts-level tests? (Like AMC 8)?
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jeremylu
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Do more AMC10, in the mid probles, like 12-20, sometimes 21-25 problems can be easy. I actually suggest working on/improving your understanding of concepts
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ChickenOnRage wrote:
What happens if we run out of recent mathcounts tests?
What are some similar Mathcounts-level tests? (Like AMC 8)?
Do older mathcounts tests; although they may be easier or in a different style, they are still created by mathcounts.
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Just my opinion, but I think you guys are getting off topic. The intent of BOGTRO's post (I believe) was to emphasise that going about learning is much more important than the specific resources you use. Using this as a generic catch-all thread for questions about what problems/books to use seem out of place here.
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Is BOTGRO a coach?
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(s)He created this posted either in the summer of his 8th grade or in 9th.
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Priyanka23
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This is a great method that doesn't waste time and actually helps you get better at mathcounts!
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Just to clear this up, CMMS is Competition Math for Middle School by Jason Batterson.
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ILoveYouMC
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Where can you get CMMS?
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ILoveYouMC wrote:
Where can you get CMMS?
You can buy it online.
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Royalreter1
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Here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1441488871/artofproblems-20
Also, the weird extra stuff is to help AoPSWiki pay for itself (find out more here)
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ChickenOnRage wrote:
What happens if we run out of recent mathcounts tests?
What are some similar Mathcounts-level tests? (Like AMC 8)?
Some problems from MC actually happen to be problems that come from 1980s AIMEs. The problems get modified a bit, but the concept is the same. http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=606011

In addition, I've used this learning strategy to help improve myself with AMC/AIME, except that the problems are AMC/AIME and the re-tests are 25 or 15 problems.
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This is really off-topic, but
tmathman wrote:
(s)He created this posted either in the summer of his 8th grade or in 9th.

^What? Please.

First off, the OP was posted in March. He states that he received the pm about a month ago (February). I don't believe Feb-Mar is considered "summer" by most.

Next, if you've ever read his blog (which I encourage you to do if you don't already), you would know that he is not in 8th or 9th grade at the time of this post.

.... and please don't give away personal information anyway. You could have just said "He's still a student but he coaches teams" or something.
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EpicSkills32 wrote:
This is really off-topic, but
tmathman wrote:
(s)He created this posted either in the summer of his 8th grade or in 9th.

^What? Please.

First off, the OP was posted in March. He states that he received the pm about a month ago (February). I don't believe Feb-Mar is considered "summer" by most.

Next, if you've ever read his blog (which I encourage you to do if you don't already), you would know that he is not in 8th or 9th grade at the time of this post.

.... and please don't give away personal information anyway. You could have just said "He's still a student but he coaches teams" or something.

Whoops sorry. It was just what I thought was a rough estimate :) No damage was intended.
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This inspires me to be a beast every math counts competition and to be a beast.
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Eugenis
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I just moved this up to recent since I feel it is important.
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Should I take a practice test or just keep doing Alcumus?
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I already failed mathcounts so, well, I got nothing for other people. I can tell you in 7th grade, I used to be really lazy. 8th grade was when I started working my butt off, and I still failed math counts.

@Eugenis, Alcumus is probably better, you are gonna run out of practice tests eventually.
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I would say practice tests. It preps you for the environment of the competition. @uwotm8, there are a finite number of practice tests and Alcumus problems. However, there are so many of both that it won't really matter. Just find some mocks.
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Ok thanks. The only problem is that when I feel like doing math, I either (1) procrastinate on the forums and waste time (2) feel like taking a practice test and have no time (3) do Alcumus of which I actually do (4) Watch rruscyzk's videos, of which is actually do (5) feel like doing the follow-up problems in the videos but not feeling like it.
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zmyshatlp
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Well Mr. Rusczyk's videos don't have much geometry, which is why people around the world think that geo is hard.
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What if you keep on missing a problem because you have a thought stuck in your head. For example, when you look over your work and redo it again and again, you sometimes make the same simple arithmetic mistake again. For example, I was doing a simple slope problem and I kept getting the same wrong answer. I accidentally did the same arthmetic mistake again and again in my head. How wold you fix something like that, like when you are reviewing a test.
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Eugenis
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Write everything you do down, and take it slow. It works...
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I think BOGTRO's post makes this idea heavily implied, but I'm going to say it anyway because I think it's highly important to know.

When you're learning off of the Aops series or past questions, you need play more of an "active" role when learning concepts or doing questions. If it's not clear what I mean, I used to study Volume I in the Mathcounts Days. What I used to do was just read through examples/concepts and do some of the problems I could do. Afterwards, I looked at the solution manual to look at the questions I couldn't do at all. At that time, if I simply understood the solution and didn't get lost, I would move on. That's essentially the passive way of learning. What I learned in high school was that what the resources gave on paper was never enough. When you read a solution to a problem you can't do, don't just read it and move on. Try to understand why the approach in the solutions was used (this is rarely directed state in the solutions at all). For example, question "x" can be solved with similar triangles because we want side lengths of a triangle, and there are several parallel lines in the question, leading to congruent angles, leading to similar triangles. When you understand why the solutions work, you learn more effectively because you actually have to think as opposed to just glancing at solutions.

Even when you can do a problem successfully, it helps to look at the solutions because it may provide a more elegant solution that the approach you used. In fact, that elegant thinking might be used in other problems, so it can be worth it to analyze solutions for problems you couldn't do in a snap.

Personally, this type of thinking helped me a lot when I was learning. When I learned the ineffective way in middle school, my best achievement was getting 32nd in Mathcounts Texas state round in my 8th grade year (lol). In my 9th grade year, I didn't really get into AMC much; I didn't even qualify for the AIME. In the 10th grade year, I only started to use actual AMC materials in mid-December 2014, but I started to learn effectively. As a result, I jumped from a 114 in my 9th grade year to a 132 this year. I then went on to do as much of Volume II as I could over the few weeks I had until AIME (in reality, I should also have done more past AIME problems). When I ended up taking the AIME II, I received an 8, which would have been god-like to my 9th grade self.
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This is an amazing article!
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