Math Jams

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:29:58

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:32:54
Hello and welcome to the Carnegie Mellon Math Jam!

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:33:11
I am particularly pleased to have our guests from Carnegie Mellon joining us tonight, as I am a proud member of the CMU Class of 1992 (B.S. in Math/Computer Science and M.S. in Math).

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:33:25
Before I introduce our guests, let me explain about this classroom. This room is moderated, which means that all your questions and comments come to the moderators. We may share your comments with the whole room if we so choose. For now, please hold your questions -- we'll let you know when you can start asking questions.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:33:40
Now let me introduce our guests for the evening. (Their usernames are in bold as I introduce them.)

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:33:48
Po-Shen Loh (psloh) is a professor in the Department of Mathematical Sciences. Many of you may also know Po-Shen from his role as an instructor at the Math Olympiad Summer Program and as the Deputy Team Leader for the US team to the International Math Olympiad.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:34:00
John Mackey (jmackey) is the Associate Department Head of the Department of Mathematical Sciences.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:34:09
Klaus Sutner (sutner) is the Associate Dean of Undergraduate Programs for the School of Computer Science.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:34:17
Mike Kozak (mwkozak) is the Assistant Director of Admission.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:34:23
Thanks very much to all our guests for spending part of their evening with us tonight!

DPatrick 2011-10-25 19:34:28
Now, I'll turn the floor over to Po-Shen.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:30
Hello everyone!

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:37
Thank you to everyone for coming out to tonight's Carnegie Mellon Math Jam!

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:43
We're happy to have this opportunity to chat with you all, as we think this is a great community.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:49
(I wish it had existed when I was a student!)

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:54
Let me introduce my colleagues who are joining me tonight.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:34:59
John Mackey (jmackey) is the Associate Department Head of Mathematics. He previously taught at Dartmouth and Harvard.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:04
From my observations, he is loved by the student body, and he personally advises all of our math majors.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:10
I've been working with him since my arrival on development in the Math department.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:15
Klaus Sutner (sutner) is the Associate Dean of Undergraduate Programs in the School of Computer Science.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:20
That's the School of Computer Science, not the Department of Computer Science (which is contained inside the School) - the School has seven departments!

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:27
Klaus previously was at the University of Munich, Berkeley, and the Stevens Institute of Technology.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:33
He's responsible for the well-being of the best undergraduate Computer Science program in the world.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:42
Mike Kozak (mwkozak) is an Assistant Director of Admissions, and the liaison to the Mellon College of Science.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:49
He's been with CMU for four years, and we are happy that he is here to work with us!

psloh 2011-10-25 19:35:55
Now, instead of giving a traditional sales pitch for our University, we're going to try something different.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:36:00
Instead, tell us what you want to know.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:36:05
We want to know what energizes you.

psloh 2011-10-25 19:36:10
What do you want to see in your undergraduate career?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:36:16
Floor is open. Ask questions. We will try to type as fast as we can.

VIPMaster 2011-10-25 19:36:35
Is psloh Po-Shen Loh? Of MOP Lecture Notes fame?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:37:03
He is much more than that. He is a phenomenon. He deserves theme music :)

cooldene 2011-10-25 19:37:51
Are freshmen at your school assigned an advisor?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:38:01
David, we would take participation in math camps into consideration during the admission process. We would look at it much in the same light as any extracurricular activity. The fact that it is a math oriented activity certainly helps too.

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:38:05
What's the highest level of math that CMU teaches/offers?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:38:12
@mcqueen: CMU is a full-fledged institution which goes all the way to the Ph.D. program. You can even attend our research seminars if you want. We just had a speaker today discussing an interesting connection between Topology and Combinatorics!

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:38:15
@cooldene - you bet. from the time people commit

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:38:29
Funny, I'm listening to music right now.

keelan32 2011-10-25 19:39:02
does cmu have good research opportunities for undergrads (not just in math, sciences in general)?

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 19:39:09
I also went to the MIT mathjam, do we have to shape the begining of our questions like that?

rdk1207 2011-10-25 19:39:11
What kind of projects do the undergraduates in the Computer Science program work on?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:39:11
@cobra: We will not emit "Syntax Error". :)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:39:41
@smallpeoples343 We do accept credits from other universities. You would send you transcripts to the undergraduate college you are entering before you arrive on campus, and the college will then decide how to allocate those credits.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:40:13
@keelan YES! Po and I spent time directing projects this Summer. We have a course devoted to undergraduate research and we have a Summer Institute for undergraduate research.

sutner 2011-10-25 19:40:35
Lots of possibilities -- there are 7 units in the school of computer science, robotics, machine learning, language technology.... All encourage UGs to get involved.

cooldene 2011-10-25 19:40:39
How soon can students get involved in internships and research?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:40:42
@cooldene: As early as you are ready! The first thing to do might be some reading, but I see that John has been regularly advising undergraduates on such things. I myself worked with a freshman on a Combinatorics research project last summer.

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:40:56
How good is the Science Department? Does it also go all the way to Ph.D. as math does?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:41:04
@cooldene - When can you get here?

Kamei 2011-10-25 19:41:18
hi

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:41:28
@kamei - Hi :)

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 19:41:46
are the credits you accept from other universities only outside of your major?

sutner 2011-10-25 19:41:46
There are 4 top CS departments in the world -- MIT, Standford, Berkeley and CMU. We can argue about who's on top --

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:42:03
@cobrakeeper - we take them from all departments

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:42:18
@mcqueen The current cost of attendance is $57,520. This includes tuition, room and board, fees, and books.

sutner 2011-10-25 19:42:22
of course, I have a strong prejudice. CS offers a BS and a PhD degree at present, no MS (though that may change soon).

geniusmath 2011-10-25 19:42:31
how is your law school?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:42:54
@geniusmath - the only law we follow is the law of large numbers

geniusmath 2011-10-25 19:43:12
Doe going to MthCounts Nationals help entrance, especially if you were 2nd place states?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:43:14
@geniusmath: Come visit, and let me know that you did. You probably also did well afterward though! :)

geniusmath 2011-10-25 19:43:19
what are some good majors at carnegie>

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:43:41
@geniusmath - Drama - we are the best!

psloh 2011-10-25 19:43:50
We're the oldest degree-granting Drama program in the country, and extremely selective in it.

hasan4444 2011-10-25 19:43:52
If I want to double major in CS and math. Which school should I apply to?

knuckles360 2011-10-25 19:44:05
how is math taught? because high school math is terrible (not terribly easy or hard, just terribly boring)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:44:16
@bili GPA and class rank are all part of the academic review process. We look at GPA on a 4.0 unweighted scale, but take into consideration the types of classes you are taking. Rank will be used only if your school reports it.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:44:38
@knuckles - We hear your brother/sister and we have the remedy. it's called Concepts of Math and it will own you own in the best possible way

sutner 2011-10-25 19:44:53
Apply to either CS or math, you can add the second major later. CS/math and CS/business are the most popular combinations, for major/minor and double major.

Minimacdude 2011-10-25 19:45:00
Is it possible to major in Chemical Engineering while minoring in Biomedical Engineering?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:45:06
@mini YES

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:45:17
Does CMU look at AIME, USA(J)MO, etc.?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:45:18
@mcqueen: At CMU we are fortunate enough to have a great relationship with admissions. Please tell us all about your AIME and USAMO scores. We care very much!

soyjoy 2011-10-25 19:45:20
Do you get admitted to the college or CMU as a whole? I know I am interested in computer science but I am not sure if I should apply for electrical engineering and computer science in the engineering school or computer science in the college of computer science. what's the difference?

alexhan98 2011-10-25 19:45:57
Is this just a Q&A for college? Or, are we going to do math?

engarde 2011-10-25 19:46:11
Can it be possible to have a double major to start with, but, drop one major if its too much later on?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:46:12
@alexhan98: You are welcome to prove the Riemann Hypothesis in the meantime!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:46:18
@ keelan32 The music school at Carnegie Mellon is one of the best in the country. It's a full conservatory program, but there are opportunities for students at all levels for minors, performance through the school, and performance through extracurriculars.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:46:22
@soyjoy - You apply to a College. Go with what you like best. ECE and SCS are very selective.

sutner 2011-10-25 19:46:33
Sure, you can always drop back down to a minor.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:46:46
@geniusmath We don't have a law school, but send students to some of the best when they graduate from here.

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:47:30
What scholarships are offered at CMU? (Excuse the wording on that...)

psloh 2011-10-25 19:47:31
@mcqueen: CMU offers merit-based scholarships in addition to need-based scholarships. We were fortunate to have a substantial amount of funding last year!

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:48:23
@alexhan - consider a 3 by 6 board with a bean initially on every square. a turn consists of moving two beans either horizontally or vertically. can you gather them all into one square?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:48:42
@soyjoy You apply to the individual colleges at Carnegie Mellon, not the school as the whole. We use the Common App and have a supplement. The supplement allows you to apply to four programs and get separate admission decisions to each one.

sutner 2011-10-25 19:48:46
ECE and CS are very closely connected at CMU, several faculty have double appointments, share grad students and so forth. Some CS courses are required for ECE students. Some students change their major to the other department (or double major).

keelan32 2011-10-25 19:48:59
In admissions, does CMU consider all 4 years in calculating GPA? If one had a weak freshman year and a big upward trend, could it help to offset his/her first year?

supermathman 2011-10-25 19:49:00
will you accept someone who is super good at math but was expelled during the beginning of highschool and finishes high school in another school?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:49:26
@keelan32 We used 10th, 11th and 12th grade in calculating GPA. We only used 9th if it helps your GPA.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:49:28
@supermathman - so long as you are not jailed at the start of classes, we are fine

soyjoy 2011-10-25 19:49:29
If you are applying to ECE or SCS, how easy is it to minor in apply math?

dvn 2011-10-25 19:49:54
If we do any kind of community service related to math e.g----teaching math to kids, does it make us stand out? Or does almost everyone do it?

sutner 2011-10-25 19:50:00
You would minor in math, period. It's fairly easy to do (by CMU standards).

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:50:42
@dvn - YES, this matters! We love teaching, for example. Our undergraduates can be teaching assistants and typically find it very rewarding!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:50:50
@mcqueen Financial aid at Carnegie Mellon is primariliy need based, but we still offer one merit based scholarship called the Carnegie Scholarship. It's aimed at students who qualify for little or no need based aid and also looks at a degree of merit.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 19:51:21
Can undergraduates typically conduct research under CMU professors?

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:51:22
How is CMU's music department?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:51:41
@anonymous - YES! As well as near them!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:51:58
@mcqueen The School of Music is one of the best. Carnegie Mellon is one of the few schools (if not the only) that can say it competes with MIT and Juliard.

keelan32 2011-10-25 19:51:59
What are some of the most insane/ridiculous clubs or activities at CMU?

sutner 2011-10-25 19:52:08
The Robotics Institute is one of the oldest and best in the world. They participate in all kinds of contests such as the DARPA challenges -- and often win. Lots of UGs participate in these projects.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:52:16
@keelan - I am the advisor for the CMU Synchronized Walking Team!

Rocket95 2011-10-25 19:52:17
how do you weigh IB versus AP in terms of credit?

anonymous2 2011-10-25 19:52:45
In your role as mentors and educators, what mistakes do you commonly see people students and potential applicants make when applying for a math degree at Carnegie Mellon?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:52:47
@anonymous2: I would say that the biggest mistake to make would be to focus too hard on the process of getting admitted, as opposed to loving the mathematics itself. As mentors, we work hard to encourage students to pursue their interests in mathematics (or elsewhere). If you truly love what you do, you will do very well (and people will be very interested in you)!

anonymous2 2011-10-25 19:52:53
Dr. Mackey, thank you for your response.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:53:03
@Rocket95 For IB HL courses, we will normally give credit for a 6 or 7. For AP, a score of a 4 or 5 will normally get credit.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:53:09
@anon - You bet! Look forward to your enrollment :)

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 19:53:31
what % of admissions have a merit based scolarship?

sutner 2011-10-25 19:53:32
We do accept a few students without prior programming experience -- as long as they walk on water. Of course, most students already have plenty of experience when they come here, some even already run software companies.

yeswecan95 2011-10-25 19:54:11
how do you consider people who graduated high school a year early?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:54:12
@cobrakeeper Last year 7% of our applicants received a Carnegie Scholarship which still looks at need to some degree.

Minimacdude 2011-10-25 19:54:54
How are CMU's athletics, especially the Chess Team?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:54:55
@Minimacdude: I approve of your broad definition of "athletics". I am coaching our Putnam team!

anonymous2 2011-10-25 19:54:56
What experiences (summer camps, competitions, research projects, et cetera) would you look for in potential applicants?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:55:13
@yeswecan - yeswedo! in fact, Klaus Sutner is advising a 19 year old Senior on research and threatens me with bodily harm if we don't get him into a top 5 graduate program

mcqueen 2011-10-25 19:55:38
What were to happen if someone were jailed, but came back out, wne to school, and did EXTREMELY well? Would you still consider them?

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:55:57
@mcqueen - this was my situation 28 years ago!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:56:00
@anonymous2 We are looking for a mix of activities. Show us dedication to your activities through your application. All the things you mention would be taken into consideration.

cooldene 2011-10-25 19:56:19
What is your rate of retention from year to year? Graduation rate? Do your students usually take four years to graduate or five?

andersonw 2011-10-25 19:56:35
How easy is it to switch colleges/majors?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:56:43
@cooldene Our retention rate in 96 almost 97%. Graduation rate is 86%.

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:56:59
@andersonw - It is easy! People move all over in the first two years!

dvn 2011-10-25 19:57:05
When we apply at CMU, is it OK if we are for example an AIME or USAMO top scorer, but we don't excel as much in our extracurricular activities?

psloh 2011-10-25 19:57:07
@dvn: It sounds like you're quite sharp. Pay us a visit in person, and we will see to it that you are properly considered. John and I personally meet with quite a few top students when they visit each year!

mdy101 2011-10-25 19:57:10
am i too young to be here? im 13...

jmackey 2011-10-25 19:57:45
@mdy101 - John Nash enrolled at 16

keshavthvar 2011-10-25 19:58:07
its never too early to strt thinkin about college

dvn 2011-10-25 19:58:16
i'm 11, so you are probably not too young

mwkozak 2011-10-25 19:58:27
@minimacdude The chess team is alive and well at CMU. But, in terms of other athletics, we're a D3 school with 17 varsity teams and 40 club and intramural teams.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 19:58:53
Would you say CMU is mainly a math school, with the majority of the research in theoretical mathematics, or how would you describe the research in applied mathematics? What about mathematical modeling of biological systems, for instance?

supermathman 2011-10-25 19:59:34
do international students have to take TOFEL even if they have spent both MIddle school and high school in the US?

keshavthvar 2011-10-25 19:59:38
so what type of people does cmu accept?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:00:38
@supermathman We require the TOEFL if your first language is not English, no matter where you've studied or in what language. We have a requirement of 102 on the iBT with a minimum of 26 in speaking and 25 in all other sections.

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:00:53
When you look at extracurriculars, does CMU value a more well-rounded applicant or a more focused one, who is extremely interested in a single interest (like math)?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:00:55
@keelan32: If you are a very focused student who has spent a lot of time on your subject (i.e., math), you are probably very good. Exceptional people are always welcome! :)

sutner 2011-10-25 20:00:56
There is a lot of research work in "theory", though it's not always clear what the difference between theory and applications really is -- after all, the lambda calculus is now becoming increasingly important in the form of functional programming languages to support parallel computation (which, btw, we teach to our freshmen). We do a have a center for computational biology.

keshavthvar 2011-10-25 20:00:59
in other words what is the ave gpa to get into cmu?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:01:08
@kesh - They are passionate, sometimes shy, but *always* hardworking. I personally like that CMU students don't seem entitled or spoiled. They are fun to teach!

RupaBose 2011-10-25 20:01:30
come to MIT

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:01:41
@keshavthvar The average GPA last year in the Mellon College of Science was 3.7/4.0 unweighted.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:01:50
@Rupa - you bet, I'll be there in November to recruit transfer students

dvn 2011-10-25 20:01:54
How many languages should a student be fluent with when they apply to CMU or to any other college?

DMA 2011-10-25 20:02:02
Is there a good balance between academic and social life at CMU?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:02:28
I assume you mean programming languages? Doesn't matter much, you will learn how to pick up programming languages of

chimka 2011-10-25 20:02:39
how much sleep will you normally get per day

psloh 2011-10-25 20:02:46
@DMA: I should say that I (as a faculty member) was particularly happy to notice that students at CMU work hard. One nice thing is that it is cool to be hardworking here. We are all very interested in what we do, so the social and academic circles intersect quite nicely.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:02:49
@DMA Our students tend to be very active outside the classroom. We have over 250 active clubs on campus that include a very broad range of activities.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:02:53
@chim - NONE. we only sleep at night!

sutner 2011-10-25 20:02:55
different types (imperative, functional, object oriented, ...) fairly quickly.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:02:57
I appreciate your response, Professor Sutner.

markoboy 2011-10-25 20:03:03
What are the costs of tuition

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:03:14
How does CMU try to integrate (yay math terms) a core curriculum, with some humanities, into a math major's schedule?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:03:26
@markoboy The current cost of attendance is $57,520.

firework 2011-10-25 20:03:39
What is the food like at CMU?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:04:11
All of the above, plus Mandarin and German.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:04:14
@keelean - the science core is 2 physics, 1 bio, 1 chem, 1 cs and the humanities are 3 specific types of classes and 4 non-technical electives.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:04:30
@firework Carnegie Mellon has over 30 separate dining locations on campus. The locations include many types of cuisine and provide options for our students. Some locations are operated by local restaurants as well.

markoboy 2011-10-25 20:04:38
Is it easy to get a part-time job on campus, in the community?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:05:12
@markoboy - Plenty of TAing, grading and campus jobs. More jobs than students to fill them, typically!

SidRocks 2011-10-25 20:05:14
I have done science fair projects reached regional level, aiming at usamts high score and president of VMT at my high school. Does these help for CMU admissions?

DMA 2011-10-25 20:05:39
what is the rigor of work like for freshman? is their adequate support in place to make sure that they aren't instantly overwhelmed by difficult math or science classes?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:05:55
@SidRocks These activities certainly help with your application. We are looking for students who excel in the classroom, but have accomplishments outside the classroom as well.

owl00 2011-10-25 20:06:05
Is the avg GPA and SAT score needed higher for Biomedical engineering (CIT) than MCS programs?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:06:24
@DMA - Yes there is adequate support. As for rigor, my Concepts Exam is tomorrow and someone just asked me if I would be available at 3am to answer questions.

dvn 2011-10-25 20:06:27
Lets say we make our own business in high school or build an app to help students.How much does it show on the application?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:06:57
@owl00 The averages for the engineering school are slightly higher, but only by .02 in GPA. SATs are pretty close as well.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:07:13
It's up to you to construct a top notch application, but of course it will help greatly if you can say something about your own company.

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:07:50
How does CMU handle more autodidactic applicants? Are there any placement exams to get a heads up if we've taught ourselves a lot of college math already?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:08:19
You can find our admission averages here: http://my.cmu.edu/portal/site/admission/adm_statistics/

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:08:24
Yes, that is an excellent question, keelan32.

number.sense 2011-10-25 20:08:25
What is the bioengineering program like at CMU?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:08:37
@keelan - We take a lot of time getting to know students before they step on campus and make sure that they are in appropriate classes. We have lots of entry points into the curriculum.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:09:50
@number.sense Biomedical engineering at CMU is offered as a double major to be taken in conjunction with one of our other disciplines in engineering. The BME program has a track for each of our main disciplines (biomechanics for mechanical engineers for instance) that allows students to have a traditional engineering background and a strong biomedical focus.

number.sense 2011-10-25 20:09:55
What is the medical school placement like?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:10:19
Yes, CMU has a "no wall" philosohpy -- anything that makes academic sense is OK.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:10:33
@number.sense Students in our Health Professions Program advising track have an 85% placement rate into med school. We have alums in all of the best medical schools.

sindennisz 2011-10-25 20:10:33
In addition to math and computer science, what other fields are very strong at CMU?

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 20:10:52
what time does this go to?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:10:53
@cobra: We'll be here until somewhere between 8:30 and 9:00 pm. Please keep up the questions! :)

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:10:54
do you treat students with H4 visa differently from those with F1 visa, by any means?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:11:14
@sindennisz - Computational Finance (Masters Program is #1 in the country, undergraduate programs don't get ranked)

dvn 2011-10-25 20:11:26
Do a lot of students struggle in their freshman years?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:11:32
@supermathman In the admission process no, students with either visa type are required to apply as international students.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:12:02
@dvn: We actually are most interested in students who want a challenge.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:12:30
@dvn - There is no beating around the bush that CMU is challenging, and some people will struggle. The point is that there is a lot of academic support to help when this happens.

Minimacdude 2011-10-25 20:12:46
Approximately what percentage of students at CMU have girlfriends/boyfriends?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:12:54
@mini - real or imagined?

Minimacdude 2011-10-25 20:13:08
real.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:13:16
@mini - 70%

psloh 2011-10-25 20:13:17
@dvn: I myself was most drawn to this place by the hardworking nature of the student body. Students here seem to prefer classes tougher rather than easier, because they actually want to learn something.

chimka 2011-10-25 20:13:51
what about imagined?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:13:57
@chimka - the rest

sutner 2011-10-25 20:13:59
We offer a complete robotics minor, so a whole bunch of courses are offered on a regular basis -- plus special topics courses on an irregular basis.

chimka 2011-10-25 20:14:08
i guessed as much

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:14:17
@sindnnisz In addition to Comp Finance, our engineering programs are consistently ranked in the top 10. Business, likewise. Our fine arts programs are well respected as well.

OneShotSniper 2011-10-25 20:15:47
Does CMU offer merit scholarship or financial aid to international students?

geniusmath 2011-10-25 20:16:03
hi

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:16:10
@genius - Hi :)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:16:11
@OneShotSniper We don't offer merit scholarships to international students currently.

dvn 2011-10-25 20:16:33
Does it matter if we went to a public or private school in middle school or high? Isn't a private school much more of a challenge to students?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:16:34
@dvn: It's most impressive if you have some nice results in national competitions. Then it doesn't matter whether you went to private or public school!

SidRocks 2011-10-25 20:16:41
Can someone get a graduate degree around the same timeframe by taking grad courses

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:16:48
How good is the food at CMU?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:16:56
@QuantumTiger Carnegie Mellon has over 30 separate dining locations on campus. The locations include many types of cuisine and provide options for our students. Some locations are operated by local restaurants as well.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:17:05
Arguably electrical engineering, though all the programs are very strong.

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:17:10
lemme restate my question: Do students with H4 visa pay out of state tuition or international tuition. (So is there any diference between H4 and F1 in terms of tuition and other matters?)

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:17:17
@sid We have a Masters in 4 years through the Honors Program - 5 additional graduate classes and a Master's Thesis

DPatrick 2011-10-25 20:17:29
@Sid I am an alumnus of that program! :)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:17:33
@supermathman Because we're a private university, tuition is the same for all students.

hasan4444 2011-10-25 20:17:39
Do you prefer individual work or team work at CMU?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:17:40
@hasan4444: Both characteristics are very important in life! I recommend excelling in both.

owl00 2011-10-25 20:17:49
Do you do in-person interviews before admissions?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:18:47
@hasan4444: Did I meet you at MathCamp this summer, by the way? :)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:18:52
@owl00 We recommend an interview either with an admission counselor or an alumni volunter, but it's not required.

HIJUMP 2011-10-25 20:19:12
Does Canadian count as international students ?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:19:19
@HIJUMP Yes.

number.sense 2011-10-25 20:19:34
how much is available in merit scholarships? Are there full-rides?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:19:46
I can only speak to CS: we're better.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:20:01
How does CMU's undergrad program rank in comparison to those of ivyleague schools?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:20:05
@number.sense The only merit scholarship is the Carnegie Scholarship. Last year on average is was an award of $8500.

hasan4444 2011-10-25 20:20:12
Yeah, sorry if I'm annoying you everywhere :)

psloh 2011-10-25 20:20:13
@hasan4444: You're not annoying me. Will you come up from Philadelphia to visit at some point? :)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:20:16
I've seen them go up to about $15,000.

owl00 2011-10-25 20:20:26
Do you recommend participating in the pre-college programs as a jr or sr before applying to CMU?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:20:33
CS is the best, and as for Math, please check the Putnam Ranks in March.

SidRocks 2011-10-25 20:20:42
CMU is rated #1 for Comp Science (so is Stanford)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:21:41
@owl00 Pre-college will give you the chance to see how great CMU is, but it will also give you a CMU transcript. If you do well in the classes in pre-college, they could help in the admission process.

firework 2011-10-25 20:22:15
I currently don't know any programming languages, so which language do you recommend I should learn before I go to CMU?

Rocket95 2011-10-25 20:22:21
does the IB diploma influence acceptance?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:22:44
I would suggets to look at C, we are using a type-safe version of that in one of the introductory classes.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:22:46
@Rocket95 We recognize the IB diploma as a very rigorous program and consider that in the review process.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:22:55
What's CMU's mascot?

sutner 2011-10-25 20:23:01
Another choice is Standard ML.

DMA 2011-10-25 20:23:11
would you say that CMU students are, for the most part, happy?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:23:12
@DMA: Yes, I think that people are mostly quite happy here. People enjoy working hard, if the subjects are interesting and they feel they are truly learning something interesting.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:23:33
@QuantumTiger Officially we are the Carnegie Mellon Tartans - so a piece of plaid fabric. But, unofficially the Scotty dog.

Kingofmath101 2011-10-25 20:24:13
How does the Chinese curriculum compare to that of other schools?

rdk1207 2011-10-25 20:24:15
Whats the best part about CMU?

HIJUMP 2011-10-25 20:24:29
If I want to go for a campus visit, which department should I contact so that I may get the most of information?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:24:31
@HIJUMP: If you are interested in math, please contact me or John directly!

HIJUMP 2011-10-25 20:24:38
What probably the girl to boy ratio is in CMU ?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:24:38
@Kingofmath We have the largest Mandarin Chinese program east of the west coast.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:24:44
@rdk - the lack of pretention and the abundance of entreprenurial spirit

sutner 2011-10-25 20:25:15
In CS we have about 25% females, approximately twice as many as our competitors. Not sure about the rest ...

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:25:18
@kingofmath Almost 60% of our students will take a foreign language during their time at CMU in addition to their major course.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:26:17
Is CMU's football team any better than Princeton's? How about any more entertaining to watch?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:26:43
@quantum - I don't know, but an offensive tackle once got 50 on the Putnam!

dvn 2011-10-25 20:27:06
Does CMU have a major competitor? For example, Stanford's competitor is Berkley.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:27:08
@dvn: MIT. Both of us emphasize technical fields!

rdk1207 2011-10-25 20:27:24
Would you reccomend majoring in some other area along with computer science?

peregrinefalcon88 2011-10-25 20:27:26
i skipped 3 years of math at my high school once the teachers stopped being oppresive, could this help make up for imperfect humanities grades

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:27:33
@peregrine - yes.

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:27:37
Does CMU have competitive debate teams or activities, for the non polisci major?

soyjoy 2011-10-25 20:27:49
is foreign language a requirement for graduation? If yes, is getting a 4 or 5 will satisfy that requirement?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:27:55
@soy - no.

HIJUMP 2011-10-25 20:28:04
Besides Computer Science, what's the other most popular department in CMU ?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:28:15
@keelan32 We only have a competitive Model UN team currently, but you could start another debate team if you come to CMU. We're very supportive of starting new clubs on campus.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:28:41
The most frequent combinations are CS plus math or business -- but there all kinds of other possibilities. Someone once majored in bagpipes along with CS.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:28:45
@HIJUMP - ECE, MATH, Business, DRAMA

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:29:06
what was the graduation rate for computer science/EE last year? Also, roughly what persantage of those CS students got a job?

andersonw 2011-10-25 20:29:08
Does visiting CMU have any effect on the admissions process, or is it purely for us to know what it's like? And do interviews need to be conducted on campus?

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:29:54
@jmackey: I'd guess the entire Princeton football team can equal that feat, judging by their performance on the field and the inverse relationship between mathematical and athletic ability.

mario123 2011-10-25 20:29:55
How highly do you view MOP qualification? I have heard that it significantly increases your chances of being accepted. Is this true?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:29:57
@mario123: If you make MOP, you and I meet there. I will personally walk your file over to admissions.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:30:06
Graduation rate is about 86%. A few years ago we had 140 companies trying to recrute 105 CS graduates. Some of our students are getting 6-digit offers.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:30:07
Visiting CMU can help in the admission process. It shows your interest in the university, which we value in the process. Interviews can be done on campus or off campus with an alumni volunteer.

DJohnson 2011-10-25 20:30:17
What is the percentage of applicants you accepted last year?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:30:22
@quantum - taught Ryan Fitzpatrick at Harvard and now he's an MVP in Buffalo, so who really knows...

cheesyrobin 2011-10-25 20:30:54
Semester system or Quarter system?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:31:15
@DJohnson We accepted somewhere around 22% of our applicants last year. Some programs are more competitive.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:31:18
@chees - semester. but we have mini-half-semester courses too!

owl00 2011-10-25 20:31:21
Is it possible to Major in Engineering and minor in Drama or would that be too much? I am in theatre in my high school and enjoy that a lot.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:32:09
@jmackey: Alright, there are a few exceptions. :P But think about it.....how well can a piece of plaid fabric play football?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:32:29
@quantum - at least as well as a color. consider the Dartmouth "Green"

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:32:51
@owl00 There is a minor in drama, and it is possible to combine that with engineering. You can't act in any of the School of Drama productions. One of our largest student groups is Scotch 'n' Soda theater which puts on about 8+ shows a year open to the whole university.

k00lperson 2011-10-25 20:33:05
How are the dorms at CMU?

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:33:22
Out of curiosity, are there any internship opportunities in the vicinity of CMU in *computational finance* that undergraduates participate in?

dvn 2011-10-25 20:33:25
Is CMU a liberal-arts school?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:33:26
@dvn - there are many liberals and we have a killer art school. so, yes.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:33:53
@anon Not really, but Wall Street is not far away and hires lots of our graduates.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:34:10
@k00lperson Our dorms are varied in age and style. Most first year students live a traditional residence hall, but afterwards the options for housing grow to include apartments, suites, townhouses, etc.

owl00 2011-10-25 20:34:17
Was that Can't act or can act?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:34:26
@owl00 can't act

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:34:37
@HIJUMP - Electrical and Computer Engineering. It is an amazing program!

HIJUMP 2011-10-25 20:34:40
What ECE stands for when talking about popular majors in CMU?

mario123 2011-10-25 20:34:50
How's the campus? I heard it was really nice.

DJohnson 2011-10-25 20:35:39
What percentage of students stay at CMU for a graduate degree?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:35:40
@DJohnson: I personally run the Ph.D. admissions for the Math side of our Algorithms, Combinatorics, and Optimization inter-disciplinary degree. I can say that (for the good of the students) I intentionally do not accept CMU undergrads for that Ph.D. program. This is because it is highly encouraged to go to a different institution for your undergraduate and Ph.D. degrees. That way you can experience different philosophies on your subject.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:35:51
@quantum - no. but i had him in my single variable calculus class. smart guy. really.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 20:35:55
@jmackey: True. And Dartmouth does rather well. Apparently even intangible objects can hold a football and run with it. Did Ryan Fitzpatrick, perchance, major in math?

DJohnson 2011-10-25 20:36:23
@psloh: Interesting, thank you.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:36:36
@mario123 We have a 110-acre traditional college campus in the hear of Pittsburgh. We are surrounded on two sides by nicer residential neighborhoods, on the other side by a 500 acre city park, and on the other side U of Pitt.

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:36:42
how does CMU consider recommendation letters in admissions, and are there any specific letters requested/required (i.e. one math, one humanity, etc)?

mathyoga 2011-10-25 20:37:09
Are you guys promoting CMU? What is this Math Jam for?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:37:09
@mathyoga - In all seriousness, we want people to go to the correct school for them. The point is that we think that the school is usually CMU.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:37:10
@keelan32 We use them in the academic portion of your review. We require one from a counselor and one froma teacher. Send more if you like.

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:37:16
volunteering, academic studies, ranking, extracuricular activities, awards, which of the above aspects do you see as the most important when considering a science(including computer science) appilcant?

mathyoga 2011-10-25 20:38:32
Is this supposed to help me in any way?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:38:33
@mathyoga - it can. you will know us and when you visit campus we will already have things to discuss. Also, we are happy to discuss extremal combinatorics and algebraic topology if you want to go the more technical route.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:39:13
@supermathman Academics will always come in first. We have to know first that you can do the work at CMU. Once we know that, it's things like service, activities, leaderships, essays, visits to campus, interviews, awards, etc. that come into play in making the admission decision.

karthik6d 2011-10-25 20:39:38
my dad went to CMU

karthik6d 2011-10-25 20:39:56
he went for post grauate

dvn 2011-10-25 20:40:14
is it necessary to have a musical instrument. I play piano but it consumes a lot of time from my schedule and I find it hard to spend time on math.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:40:15
@dvn - we actually have the BXA Programs which combine the fine arts with more technical majors like CS, Physics and Math

karthik6d 2011-10-25 20:40:30
i went to the campus and its awesome

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:41:15
@karthik6d - great! Please drop by the Math Palace otherwise known as Wean Hall when you are in town and hang out with Dr. Loh and me!

k00lperson 2011-10-25 20:41:31
How's the food?

chimka 2011-10-25 20:42:04
the food wuestion has been brought up a number of times now...

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:42:19
@k00lperson Carnegie Mellon has over 30 separate dining locations on campus. All different types of food to eat. Much of it is very good. Some locations are operated by local restaurants.

DJohnson 2011-10-25 20:42:24
Have you had students attend CMU that have taken courses or graduated from EPGY Online High School?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:42:24
@DJohnson - YES!

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:42:52
Related question: What sort of ice cream shops does CMU have nearby?

mario123 2011-10-25 20:43:08
Do you guys have Putnam classes?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:43:09
@mario123: Yes. Now I run 4 Putnam classes.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:43:35
@keelan32 Dave & Andy's consistently ranked one of the top 10 ice cream places in the country is right down the street.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:44:12
As potential students at CMU--which, let us be frank, is a little statistically unlikely, given your admissions rate--what would you offer us to maximize our time at CMU?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:44:28
@mario123: They are aimed at different levels. The first two meetings are lecture-style, and we go over different topics each week. The Putnam course is a problem-solving seminar which generally prepares students for the national Putnam competition, a proof based competition similar to the USAMO/IMO.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:44:59
@mario123: Then, I hold a third session which meets for an hour each week; there, I provide some problems, and students work independently.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:45:09
However, then I walk around the room giving individual hints as students are working.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:45:25
This way, they don't have their fun ruined by me giving the answer away immediately.

Minimacdude 2011-10-25 20:45:31
What is a "Putnam Class"?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:45:32
@Mini - It's Po-shen Loh, entering with smoke and theme music and laying down the math contest law, baby!

psloh 2011-10-25 20:45:41
This is in similar spirit to the way I teach at MOP.

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:45:44
How accessible are undergrad math competitions at CMU? What I mean is: if you aren't a USAMO winner/similar level, can you still find opportunities to compete?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:46:25
@anonymous2 In addition to having strong academics, you should try to put all of your non-academic info in the best light. Tell us everything that you are doing. Make an activities resume and detail everything. Assume we know nothing in admissions, so be descriptive. Use your essays wisely. Tell us what makes you unique. Tell us something we can't find anywhere else in the application. Finally, tell us why you want to be a CMU.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:46:30
Finally, the 4th session meets on Sunday afternoons. There, students work on the hardest problems in the Putnam, and (to be honest) greatly impress me with their performance.

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:46:37
Do you have to live on campus for all four years? (undergrad)

DJohnson 2011-10-25 20:46:38
@jmackey: Do you find that overall they are well-prepared and make the transition to rigor of college courses well?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:46:39
@DJohnson - I think that they help a great deal!

psloh 2011-10-25 20:46:45
@keelan32: I try my best to make everything accessible, even if people have no prior experience!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:46:59
@superhumanmath You are only required to live on campus the first year. After that you are guranteed housing for all for years.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:47:14
@keelan32: My Tuesday session is mostly attended by students who are new to competitions, but find the notion of problem solving interesting.

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 20:47:25
what kind of snack shops in genersl?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:47:35
@keelan32: After doing that last year, I observed that a number of students moved into my Thursday session, which is a bit faster-paced.

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:47:47
@cobrakeeper We have an on campus convinience store called Entropy. Others are in the area.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:48:19
@keelan32: Even if you did not make USAMO (yet), there will be an entry point for you into the problem-solving curriculum here at CMU. :)

psloh 2011-10-25 20:48:29
@keelan32: I hope that answered your question!

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:48:36
intern opportunities?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:48:37
@supermathman - our students usually get Summer Internships with good firms, microsoft, google, banking, etc...

keelan32 2011-10-25 20:48:43
It did, thank you :)

soulspeedy 2011-10-25 20:48:46
Why is it called Entropy?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:48:56
@soul: It increases the entropy of your stomach.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:50:27
@mwkozak: These are wonderful suggestions. However, I wanted to ask how to maximize our time at CMU *if* we get in. Do you have any suggestions along this light?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:50:28
@anonymous - hang out with the smartest people. take the most interesting classes, regardless of whether they are advancing you toward some certificate. explore, but always seek excellence.

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 20:50:58
what is tuition excluding your room (if you live off campus)?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:51:27
Tuition alone is around $43,000

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 20:51:32
what is tuition including your room?

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:51:36
Thank you, Professor Mackey.

andersonw 2011-10-25 20:51:39
What do you know about the Plaid Parliament of Pwning? :P

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:51:40
@anderson - this is our Putnam Team Name

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:51:48
Cost of attendance is $57,520.

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 20:51:53
57,000

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 20:52:04
thanks

k00lperson 2011-10-25 20:52:14
How many percentile of the graduates do med?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:52:22
@k00lperson 85%

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 20:53:27
What's the most common major?

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:53:38
Does $60000 cover everything?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:53:42
@anonymous2: I really love the fact that students work hard here. I like to teach tough classes, and it is much more fun when the students appreciate it as well!

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:53:47
To the professors at CMU in the room: Why did you select CMU over another university?

mwkozak 2011-10-25 20:53:50
@supermathman Yes.

sutner 2011-10-25 20:53:59
@ buckey We're not quite sure, but probably CS -- we accept 130 students a year.

psloh 2011-10-25 20:54:15
@anonymous2: Also, I have been EXTREMELY impressed by the quality of the administration here. They respond very quickly to opportunity.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:54:20
@psloh: Thank you for your response!

OneShotSniper 2011-10-25 20:54:23
I love CMU

supermathman 2011-10-25 20:55:04
Thank you. I love CMU.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:55:32
@anonymous - Because there is so much opportunity here. They value talent and hard work so much. For example, when Po-Shen came to campus I called the University President and said, "Hi, Po-Shen Loh is here and we'd like Scholarships, can you help?" He walked over to my office, talked with us for half and hour and then said, "how many do you need?" He then went and got us money. This is off the planet.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:56:37
What would you say to those people who pursue independent study in lieu of a traditional brick-and-mortar school?

psloh 2011-10-25 20:56:38
@anonymous2: We have a great home-schooled student here (USAMO qualifier) who is doing terrifically well at CMU right now. I often see him in my Sunday Putnam classes, and I am really impressed by his inquisitiveness. I would say that we do not discriminate in either direction.

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:56:53
@buckeye - consult online catalog here:http://coursecatalog.web.cmu.edu/

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 20:56:55
What are required courses?

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:56:58
@jmackey: That is amazing! Thanks for your perspective.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:57:50
@psloh: Thanks for thoughtful response; it sounds like an excellent situation.

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 20:58:31
thank you

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:58:35
@anonymous - and I'm not even 1/18th of the way into the story. BTW, I find it amazing that Klaus Sutner, Associate Dean of SCS, running the best undergraduate program on the planet, will drop by to help us recruit.

tiger2000 2011-10-25 20:59:31
hello im a newcomer, can i join?

jmackey 2011-10-25 20:59:32
@tiger - YES. When can you get to campus ;)

anonymous2 2011-10-25 20:59:36
@jmackey: That is pretty incredible. You all weave a compelling argument!

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 21:01:01
who are some famous cmu grads?

soulspeedy 2011-10-25 21:01:01
what's your policy on AP credits?

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:01:02
@Buckeye - John Nash

DPatrick 2011-10-25 21:01:14
Me? :) (Not as famous as Nash)

mwkozak 2011-10-25 21:01:17
@soulspeedy We normally give credit for a score of 4 or 5.

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:01:38
@DPatrick - I should have mentioned you first ;)

chimka 2011-10-25 21:02:05
what do you mean by 4 or 5?

OneShotSniper 2011-10-25 21:02:05
Thank you so much for your responses, it really helped me a lot. I hope I can see you next September!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 21:02:31
@chimka If you score a 4 or 5 on the AP test we normally award you some credit.

VIPMaster 2011-10-25 21:02:35
What's your policy on APs taken outside of school - ie taken with no formal class.

owl00 2011-10-25 21:02:38
Yes same here .. thanks much.

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:02:42
@Oneshot - email me at jmackey@andrew.cmu.edu before you come in Sept so we can be sure to meet!

mwkozak 2011-10-25 21:02:56
@VIPMaster If you score well on the test, we will give you credit.

psloh 2011-10-25 21:03:07
All right, we'll be wrapping up very shortly.

VIPMaster 2011-10-25 21:03:10
Cool, thanks!

VIPMaster 2011-10-25 21:03:33
(About the answer, not the wrapping up part) :)

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:03:52
Aww VIPMaster, you're nice!

psloh 2011-10-25 21:04:08
If you add us to your college visit schedule, please let us know that you are coming by.

QuantumTiger 2011-10-25 21:04:17
Thanks for enduring my strange questions about plaid fabric, food, and football :P

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:04:19
@Quantum - My pleasure :)

psloh 2011-10-25 21:04:32
All right, thank you very much! I guess we'll call it a night.

DPatrick 2011-10-25 21:04:53
Thanks again to all our guests for spending time with us tonight to tell us all about Carnegie Mellon!

psloh 2011-10-25 21:04:54
Thanks again David Patrick, and Richard Rusczyk, and all guests for coming!

Buckeyefan831 2011-10-25 21:04:58
thank you!

andersonw 2011-10-25 21:05:02
thanks a lot for all the information!

cobrakeeper 2011-10-25 21:05:05
Thank You! :rose:

VIPMaster 2011-10-25 21:05:09
Thank you very much!

tiger2000 2011-10-25 21:05:11
see ya, thanks

masterofpupets 2011-10-25 21:05:14
:bow:

DPatrick 2011-10-25 21:05:19
If you think of more questions, please feel free to post on our College forum.

dvn 2011-10-25 21:05:19
thanks!

jasonzhang 2011-10-25 21:05:23
Thank you

OneShotSniper 2011-10-25 21:05:25
Thank you very much!

ven2baseball 2011-10-25 21:05:33
thanks:bow:

GoldenFrog1618 2011-10-25 21:05:38
thanks

dvn 2011-10-25 21:05:41
Helped us a lot!

keelan32 2011-10-25 21:06:03
Thanks, i will visit next time i'm in the area

cheesyrobin 2011-10-25 21:06:06
Thanks!!

anonymous2 2011-10-25 21:06:09
Thank you very much for your time and insigts.

anonymous2 2011-10-25 21:06:31
*insights. You are certainly convincing!

tiger2000 2011-10-25 21:06:33
:bow: is it always like this

jmackey 2011-10-25 21:06:49
@tiger - YES! Come and have some fun!

firework 2011-10-25 21:07:02
THanks!!!! btw @tiger2000 yes it is

dvn 2011-10-25 21:07:05
very helpful

tiger2000 2011-10-25 21:07:06
okay:)

DPatrick 2011-10-25 21:08:20
OK...again, thanks to our guests from CMU and to all of you for coming. We're shutting down the Math Jam now. Have a great night!

Carnegie Mellon Math Jam

Facilitator: Po-Shen Loh