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The conditional probability states that <math>P(A|B) = \frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(B)}</math>. Where <math>A|B</math> means A given B and <math>A\cap B</math> means A and B. Therefore the probability that Hugo rolls a five given he won is <math>\frac{P(A \cap B)}{P(B)}</math> Where A is the probability that he rolls a five and B is the probability that he wins.
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The conditional probability formula states that <math>P(A|B) = \frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(B)}</math>. Where <math>A|B</math> means A given B and <math>A\cap B</math> means A and B. Therefore the probability that Hugo rolls a five given he won is <math>\frac{P(A \cap B)}{P(B)}</math> Where A is the probability that he rolls a five and B is the probability that he wins.
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The probability that he wins is <math>\frac{1}{4}</math> by symmetry since there are four people playing and there is no bias for any one player. The probability that he gets a 5 and wins is more difficult; we will have to consider cases on how many players tie with Hugo.
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<math>\textbf{Case 1: No Players Tie}</math>
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In this case, all other players must have numbers from 1 through four. There is a <math>\frac{4}{6}^{3}</math>
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Revision as of 19:55, 26 November 2021

Problem 20

In a particular game, each of $4$ players rolls a standard $6{ }$-sided die. The winner is the player who rolls the highest number. If there is a tie for the highest roll, those involved in the tie will roll again and this process will continue until one player wins. Hugo is one of the players in this game. What is the probability that Hugo's first roll was a $5,$ given that he won the game?

$(\textbf{A})\: \frac{61}{216}\qquad(\textbf{B}) \: \frac{367}{1296}\qquad(\textbf{C}) \: \frac{41}{144}\qquad(\textbf{D}) \: \frac{185}{648}\qquad(\textbf{E}) \: \frac{11}{36}$

Solution 1

Since we know that Hugo wins, we know that he rolled the highest number in the first round. The probability that his first roll is a $5$ is just the probability that the highest roll in the first round is $5$.

Let $P(x)$ indicate the probability that event $x$ occurs. We find that $P(\text{No one rolls a 6})-P(\text{No one rolls a 5 or 6})=P(\text{The highest roll is a 5})$,

so \[P(\text{No one rolls a 6})=\left(\frac56\right)^4,\] \[P(\text{No one rolls a 5 or 6})=\left(\frac23\right)^4,\] \[P(\text{The highest roll is a 5})=\left(\frac56\right)^4-\left(\frac46\right)^4=\frac{5^4-4^4}{6^4}=\frac{369}{1296}=\boxed{(\textbf{C}) \: \frac{41}{144}}.\]

~kingofpineapplz

Solution 2 (Conditional Probability)

The conditional probability formula states that $P(A|B) = \frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(B)}$. Where $A|B$ means A given B and $A\cap B$ means A and B. Therefore the probability that Hugo rolls a five given he won is $\frac{P(A \cap B)}{P(B)}$ Where A is the probability that he rolls a five and B is the probability that he wins.

The probability that he wins is $\frac{1}{4}$ by symmetry since there are four people playing and there is no bias for any one player. The probability that he gets a 5 and wins is more difficult; we will have to consider cases on how many players tie with Hugo.

$\textbf{Case 1: No Players Tie}$

In this case, all other players must have numbers from 1 through four. There is a $\frac{4}{6}^{3}$


Solution in Progress ~KingRavi

Solution 3

We use $H$ to refer to Hugo. We use $H_1$ to denote the outcome of Hugo's $t$th toss. We denote by $A$, $B$, $C$ the other three players. We denote by $N$ the number of players among $A$, $B$, $C$ whose first tosses are 5. We use $W$ to denote the winner.

We have \begin{align*} P \left( H_1 = 5 | W = H \right) & = \frac{P \left( H_1 = 5 , W = H \right)}{P \left( W = H \right)} \\ & = \frac{P \left( H_1 = 5 \right) P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right) }{P \left( W = H \right)} \\ & = \frac{\frac{1}{6} P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right)}{\frac{1}{4}} \\ & = \frac{2}{3} P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right) . \end{align*}

Now, we compute $P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right)$.

We have \begin{align*} & P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right) \\ & = P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 | H_1 = 5 \right) \\ & \quad + P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 6 \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 6 | H_1 = 5 \right) \\ & \quad + \sum_{N = 1}^3 P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N | H_1 = 5 \right) \\ & = P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 \right) \\ & \quad + P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 6 \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 6 \right) \\ & \quad + \sum_{N = 1}^3 P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) \\ & = 1 \cdot P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 \right) + 0 \cdot P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 6 \right) \\ & \quad + \sum_{N = 1}^3 P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) \\ & = P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} \leq 4 \right) \\ & \quad + \sum_{N = 1}^3 P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 , \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) P \left( \max \left\{ A_1, B_1, C_1 \right\} = 5 , N \right) \\ & = \left( \frac{4}{6} \right)^3 + \sum_{N = 1}^3 \frac{1}{N + 1} \cdot \binom{3}{N} \left( \frac{1}{6} \right)^N \left( \frac{4}{6} \right)^{3 - N} \\ & = \frac{41}{96} . \end{align*} The first equality follows from the law of total probability. The second equality follows from the property that Hugo's outcome is independent from other players' outcomes.

Therefore, \begin{align*} P \left( H_1 = 5 | W = H \right) & = \frac{2}{3} P \left( W = H | H_1 = 5 \right) \\ & = \frac{2}{3} \frac{41}{96} \\ & = \frac{41}{144} . \end{align*}

Therefore, the answer is $\boxed{\textbf{(C) }\frac{41}{144}}$.

~Steven Chen (www.professorchenedu.com)


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