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== Problem ==
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How many ordered pairs of positive integers <math>(b,c)</math> exist where both <math>x^2+bx+c=0</math> and <math>x^2+cx+b=0</math> do not have distinct, real solutions?
 
 
 
<math>\textbf{(A) } 4 \qquad \textbf{(B) } 6 \qquad \textbf{(C) } 8 \qquad \textbf{(D) } 10 \qquad \textbf{(E) } 12 \qquad</math>
 
 
 
== Solution 1 (Casework) ==
 
A quadratic equation does not have real solutions if and only if the discriminant is nonpositive. We conclude that:
 
<ol style="margin-left: 1.5em;">
 
  <li>Since <math>x^2+bx+c=0</math> does not have real solutions, we have <math>b^2\leq 4c.</math></li><p>
 
  <li>Since <math>x^2+cx+b=0</math> does not have real solutions, we have <math>c^2\leq 4b.</math></li><p>
 
</ol>
 
Squaring the first inequality, we get <math>b^4\leq 16c^2.</math> Multiplying the second inequality by <math>16,</math> we get <math>16c^2\leq 64b.</math> Combining these results, we get <cmath>b^4\leq 16c^2\leq 64b.</cmath>
 
We apply casework to the value of <math>b:</math>
 
 
 
* If <math>b=1,</math> then <math>1\leq 16c^2\leq 64,</math> from which <math>c=1,2.</math>
 
 
 
* If <math>b=2,</math> then <math>16\leq 16c^2\leq 128,</math> from which <math>c=1,2.</math>
 
 
 
* If <math>b=3,</math> then <math>81\leq 16c^2\leq 192,</math> from which <math>c=3.</math>
 
 
 
* If <math>b=4,</math> then <math>256\leq 16c^2\leq 256,</math> from which <math>c=4.</math>
 
 
 
Together, there are <math>\boxed{\textbf{(B) } 6}</math> ordered pairs <math>(b,c),</math> namely <math>(1,1),(1,2),(2,1),(2,2),(3,3),</math> and <math>(4,4).</math>
 
 
 
~MRENTHUSIASM
 
 
 
== Solution 2 (Graphing) ==
 
Similar to Solution 1, use the discriminant to get <math>b^2\leq 4c</math> and <math>c^2\leq 4b</math>. These can be rearranged to <math>c\geq \frac{1}{4}b^2</math> and <math>b\geq \frac{1}{4}c^2</math>. Now, we can roughly graph these two inequalities, letting one of them be the <math>x</math> axis and the other be <math>y</math>.
 
The graph of solutions should be above the parabola and under its inverse, meaning we want points on the graph or in the first area enclosed by the two graphs:
 
<asy>
 
unitsize(2);
 
Label f;
 
f.p=fontsize(6);
 
xaxis("$x$",0,5,Ticks(f, 1.0));
 
yaxis("$y$",0,5,Ticks(f, 1.0));
 
real f(real x)
 
{
 
return 0.25x^2;
 
}
 
real g(real x)
 
{
 
return 2*sqrt(x);
 
}
 
dot((1,1));
 
dot((2,1));
 
dot((1,2));
 
dot((2,2));
 
dot((3,3));
 
dot((4,4));
 
draw(graph(f,0,sqrt(20)));
 
draw(graph(g,0,5));
 
</asy>
 
We are looking for lattice points (since <math>b</math> and <math>c</math> are positive integers), of which we can count <math>\boxed{\textbf{(B) } 6}</math>.
 
 
 
~aop2014
 
 
 
==Solution 3 (Oversimplified but Risky)==
 
A quadratic equation <math>Ax^2+Bx+C=0</math> has one real solution if and only if <math>\sqrt{B^2-4AC}=0.</math> Similarly, it has imaginary solutions if and only if <math>\sqrt{B^2-4AC}<0.</math> We proceed as following:
 
 
 
We want both <math>x^2+bx+c</math> to be <math>1</math> value or imaginary and <math>x^2+cx+b</math> to be <math>1</math> value or imaginary. <math>x^2+4x+4</math> is one such case since <math>\sqrt {b^2-4ac}</math> is <math>0.</math> Also, <math>x^2+3x+3, x^2+2x+2, x^2+x+1</math> are always imaginary for both <math>b</math> and <math>c.</math> We also have <math>x^2+x+2</math> along with <math>x^2+2x+1</math> since the latter has one solution, while the first one is imaginary. Therefore, we have <math>6</math> total ordered pairs of integers, which is <math>\boxed{\textbf{(B) } 6}.</math>
 
 
 
~Arcticturn
 
 
 
== Solution 4 ==
 
We need to solve the following system of inequalities:
 
<cmath>
 
\[
 
\left\{
 
\begin{array}{ll}
 
b^2 - 4 c \leq 0 \\
 
c^2 - 4 b \leq 0
 
\end{array}
 
\right..
 
\]
 
</cmath>
 
 
 
Feasible solutions are in the region formed between two parabolas <math>b^2 - 4 c = 0</math> and <math>c^2 - 4 b = 0</math>.
 
 
 
Define <math>f \left( b \right) = \frac{b^2}{4}</math> and <math>g \left( b \right) = 2 \sqrt{b}</math>.
 
Therefore, all feasible solutions are in the region formed between the graphs of these two functions.
 
 
 
For <math>b = 1</math>, <math>f \left( b \right) = \frac{1}{4}</math> and <math>g \left( b \right) = 2</math>.
 
Hence, the feasible <math>c</math> are 1, 2.
 
 
 
For <math>b = 2</math>, <math>f \left( b \right) = 1</math> and <math>g \left( b \right) = 2 \sqrt{2}</math>.
 
Hence, the feasible <math>c</math> are 1, 2.
 
 
 
For <math>b = 3</math>, <math>f \left( b \right) = \frac{9}{4}</math> and <math>g \left( b \right) = 2 \sqrt{3}</math>.
 
Hence, the feasible <math>c</math> is 3.
 
 
 
For <math>b = 4</math>, <math>f \left( b \right) = 4</math> and <math>g \left( b \right) = 4</math>.
 
Hence, the feasible <math>c</math> is 4.
 
 
 
For <math>b > 4</math>, <math>f \left( b \right) > g \left( b \right)</math>. Hence, there is no feasible <math>c</math>.
 
 
 
Putting all cases together, the correct answer is <math>\boxed{\textbf{(B) }6}</math>.
 
 
 
~Steven Chen (www.professorchenedu.com)
 
 
 
 
 
==Video Solution by Mathematical Dexterity==
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkaKfkQgFbI
 
 
 
==See Also==
 
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