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If $ P(x),Q(x),R(x)$, and $ S(x)$ are all polynomials such that \[ P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5)=(x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)S(x),\] prove that $ x-1$ is a factor of $ P(x)$.
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If $ P(x),Q(x),R(x)$, and $ S(x)$ are all polynomials such that \[ P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5)=(x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)S(x),\] prove that $ x-1$ is a factor of $ P(x)$.
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Here's a faster solution. Let $\omega$ be a primitive $5$th root of unity, and observe that for $x = 1, 2, 3, 4$, $P(1)+\omega^xQ(1)+\omega^{2x}R(1) = 0$. Hence $\omega, \omega^2, \omega^3$, and $\omega^4$ are roots of the quadratic equation $P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1)$. A quadratic null at 3 different places must be null everywhere, implying $R(1)=Q(1)=P(1)=0$, so we're done.
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Is there a way to conclude without using roots of unity or something like that? Not too familiar with such things.
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Is there a way to conclude without using roots of unity or something like that? Not too familiar with such things.

I don’t think there is a way without roots of unity.
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Let $K(x)$ denote the given assertion, and let $\omega$ be a primitive $5$th root of unity.

$$\begin{cases}K(1)&\Rightarrow P(1) P(1)+Q(1)+R(1)=5S(1)\\
K(\omega)&\Rightarrow P(1)+\omega Q(1)+\omega^2R(1)=0\\
K\left(\omega^2\right)&\Rightarrow P(1)+\omega^2Q(1)+\omega^4R(1)=0\\
K\left(\omega^3\right)&\Rightarrow P(1)+\omega^3Q(1)+\omega R(1)=0\\
K\left(\omega^4\right)&\Rightarrow P(1)+\omega^4Q(1)+\omega^3R(1)=0\end{cases}$$Adding up all of these yields $P(1)=S(1)$. Hence:
$$\begin{cases}Q(1)+R(1)=4S(1)\\
\omega Q(1)+\omega^2R(1)+S(1)=0\\
\omega^2Q(1)+\omega^4R(1)+S(1)=0\\
\omega^3Q(1)+\omega R(1)+S(1)=0\\
\omega^4Q(1)+\omega^3 R(1)+S(1)=0\end{cases}$$which is more than enough. Solving the system, we easily get $P(1)=0$, which completes the proof. $\square$
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lrjr24 wrote:
OlympusHero wrote:
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Is there a way to conclude without using roots of unity or something like that? Not too familiar with such things.

I don’t think there is a way without roots of unity.
There is a way.

Let $T\colon\mathbb R[x]\to\mathbb R^5$ be the function given by
\[ \sum a_kx^k\mapsto\left(\sum_{5\mid k}a_k,\sum_{5\mid k-1}a_k,\ldots,\sum_{5\mid k-4}a_k\right). \]It is clear that
\[ T(P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5))=(P(1),Q(1),R(1),0,0). \]It is also easy to see that
\[ T((x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)S(x))=(S(1),S(1),S(1),S(1),S(1)). \]Since $P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5)=(x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)S(x)$, these two must be equal, giving
\[ P(1)=Q(1)=R(1)=S(1)=0. \]Hence, $x-1\mid P(x)$. $\blacksquare$
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Are there any easy solution without roots of unity?
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Are there any easy solution without roots of unity?

There actually is.
Use the fact that $a-b$ divides $P(a)-P(b)$
And by that,I mean you can always factor out $a-b$ from $P(a)-P(b)$,of course assuming that $a-b$ is not $0$.
Applying the lemma three times should get you something that's somewhat obvious.If it isn't already,then I'll post the solution later.
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IceyCold wrote:
primemystic wrote:
Are there any easy solution without roots of unity?

There actually is.
Use the fact that $a-b$ divides $P(a)-P(b)$
And by that,I mean you can always factor out $a-b$ from $P(a)-P(b)$,of course assuming that $a-b$ is not $0$.
Applying the lemma three times should get you something that's somewhat obvious.If it isn't already,then I'll post the solution later.

I have solved it.
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By Bezout, we have
\[x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \mid x^5-1 \mid \left[P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5)\right]-\left[P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1)\right]\]Then
\[x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \mid P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1)\]But $deg \ (P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1))<deg \ (x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)$ then
\[P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1) \equiv 0 \ \forall \ x\]Hence, $P(1)=Q(1)=R(1)=0 \ \blacksquare$
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xytunghoanh wrote:
By Bezout, we have
\[x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \mid x^5-1 \mid \left[P(x^5)+xQ(x^5)+x^2R(x^5)\right]-\left[P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1)\right]\]Then
\[x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \mid P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1)\]But $deg \ (P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1))<deg \ (x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)$ then
\[P(1)+xQ(1)+x^2R(1) \equiv 0 \ \forall \ x\]Hence, $P(1)=Q(1)=R(1)=0 \ \blacksquare$

Yep,that's the solution I was aiming for,thank you!
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