High School Rankings

by levans, May 17, 2012, 4:21 AM

I was looking at the US News & World Report High School Rankings and was very surprised to see the high school I went to in the top 5%. I won't say exactly where in the top 5%, but it was somewhere in there.

I'm not writing to brag about this. Most of my readers will go to high schools that are ranked higher than mine, based entirely on where they live. Instead, I'm writing this in dismay. This means more than 95% of high schools were ranked below my school. How can this be? I don't think there is anything special about my school. I coasted through without breaking much of a sweat, and most of my classmates did as well. It simply wasn't a difficult school. As one is able to surmise from my poor grammar and horrible spelling, somewhat helped by spell-check, I'd consider the education I was able to receive about average. Can 95% of public high schools really be worse than my school?

If this US News and World Report article is accurate, and my high school really should be ranked in the top 5%, when I consider it just a plain, ordinary, school, what does this mean for other schools? What does a school that ranks at the 50th percentile look like? What about those at the bottom of the barrel?

We often hear about studies conducted that show the USA is falling further and further behind other industrialized nations, especially in math an science. Well, if the top 5% ranking for my high school is correct, I can see why. But what is causing this problem? Is it the schools (e.g., large class sizes, low budgets, crumbling buildings, etc.)? Is it the students? Is it the teachers? Is it the administrators? Is it the parents? Is it the government? It's likely a combination of all these factors. But how do we fix it?
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http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-jersey/districts/bergen-county-vocational/bergen-county-academies-12465

AAST is 110th, and 5th in NJ. Ouch.

Hmmm I wonder why we failed so much. Also, "good" education is often more like "hey we will call this stuff advanced but it is really still trivial but we're giving you lots of busy work," which is unfortunately often what happens at my school.

by yugrey, May 17, 2012, 4:41 AM

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Ranking #110 puts it in the top 1% on the list. Yet, you write it's trivial and busy work. Is it trivial just for you, who is exceptionally smart, or for most students at your school? If for most, then you are proving my overall point that education needs to get a whole lot better. Sadly, I have no answers on how to fix education.

FWIW, I once worked at a college preparatory boarding school, and I'd say the education there was even worse than my public school. The expectations on students were so low it made me want to cry. It really caused some conflict for me because I was a teacher with high expectations, probably too high. But at $40,000 a year, I thought the students should at least attempt to learn something. Not sure the admin or other teachers would agree with me.
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by levans, May 17, 2012, 4:49 AM

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Is this list for all high schools, or just public high schools? That might make a difference.

by apple.singer, May 17, 2012, 5:06 AM

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Public schools, including charters and magnets.

by levans, May 17, 2012, 5:13 AM

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I am befuddled as to how International School of Beaverton is ranked 20th... that school is not that great and South Eugene High School is better imo (I live in Oregon and know people who go to both schools). Though the way this site ranks schools is not very "fair", schools which are small and/or are magnet schools have a pretty decent advantage over larger schools in how they rank schools.

by dinoboy, May 17, 2012, 6:10 AM

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The methodology they use to rank the schools is very inaccurate and not really useful. They place a large amount of weight on schools that have "economicallly-disadvantaged" students. Once this is done, they then see how minority groups are performing. They then use only AP or IB testing to determine ranking. This poses a lot of problems.

The way they weight schools causes poor schools to be ranked ahead of very good schools. Essentially, it appears that a school that has a high percentage of minority students will get a higher ranking than a school like Exeter or AAST regardless of their academic performance.

http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/05/07/best-high-schools-methodology

by BOGTRO, May 17, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Wow affirmative action has crept into rankings?

BOGTRO, I see why my school (50% white and 41% asian) has done so poorly.

Racism because we don't have many blacks and Hispanics!

@levans: Yes, some people think my school is hard. I have a good GPA (probably will end up with close to 3.95 this year, maybe 3.94, out of 4) this year, but it's not really stellar, especially when compared with the other people in my school who are actually willing to spend more than 1 hour or 2 a night on homework (I have very little tolerance for stuff I am forced to do, it turns out).

by yugrey, May 17, 2012, 3:02 PM

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LOL we're ranked 442

by Mrdavid445, May 17, 2012, 5:09 PM

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The high school from my district is around top 2.5%, however I don't see how this school really excels, and we have plenty of trouble makers like people who drink alcohol, people using drugs and smoking.

by mathgenius64, May 17, 2012, 7:14 PM

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Lol my school isn't even ranked. Not even a bronze medal.

30% of kids take AP's and 86% of those kids pass AP's, so I really don't see why we aren't.
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by djmathman, May 17, 2012, 7:26 PM

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^ Same, my school isn't ranked either. A school I have heard of is ranked somewhere in the 150's and it is really not a great school. I've never gone there but many of my friends have and they don't like it. They never learn anything in class and they get bored. Hm... I wonder how they rank them.

by EuclidGenius, May 17, 2012, 8:19 PM

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ROFL WE (my local high school) ARE SECOND :D :D :D :D

I can't give advice on the toughness of TJ, because I am not in it, but I can say it is like the biggest thing in the world for a student to get into TJ. Theres TJ prep courses and all lol

by AkshajK, May 17, 2012, 8:39 PM

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I think a lot of the problems with education come from everything you've mentioned above. Personally, I think the problem is too complex to deal with in a couple of years or even a decade or two; in my opinion, a legitimate fix requires a complete reevaluation of our school system, as well as the fundamental aspects and operations of how public education works.

Personally, my school is unranked, too, probably because of the many people who we colloquially refer to as the "generals", seeing as my school is an IB school. Lol we are so bad (I think if it was just AP/IB people, we'd be a lot better, but that will never happen, given the geographic location); we've got constant problems with drugs, alcohol, and violence. If you walk into a boy's bathroom, chances are you'll either smell marijuana, see it, or see someone trading it (or any other drug, and occasionally beer/whiskey).

Also, apparently my school's minority is 85%, with 48% of students economically disadvantaged. No surprise, there. Pitiful test scores, too. Though I'm not exactly sure where they get their stats, because some of them don't make a lot of sense.. O_o

The methodoloy is also pretty lame, seeing as several FL schools that are somewhat highly ranked nationally are in fact rather bad, and in some cases have a lot of problems similar to those that my school experiences. For example, Suncoast Community High School (#28).
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by GlassBead, May 17, 2012, 10:07 PM

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^

Note that you, as an Asian, are actually counted in that minority. Lol my school is 50% white, 50% minority, but 41% asian which makes up the bulk of that minority.

Yes, the rankings are based on minorities. If you didn't notice, the #1 school had worse test scores than the #2 TJ. However, it had 16 teaches (so small and that gives it an unfair advantage/disadvantage by Law of Large Numbers), was half black and Hispanic, 2/3rds female, and had a lot of economically disadvantaged students.

by yugrey, May 18, 2012, 3:56 AM

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Yeah, 'cept my school is actually 5% Asian, 2% hispanic, 14% white, and 77% black.
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by GlassBead, May 18, 2012, 11:19 PM

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^ Lol, mine's like 60% black 30% white, 1% asian, 9% hispanic

by EuclidGenius, May 21, 2012, 8:50 PM

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I'm home schooled. Where do I rank? :)
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by PythonNut, May 22, 2012, 4:08 PM

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lol ditto @PythonNut.

The high school I would go to is ranked 3rd in county and 93rd nationally. Not too bad. It gets a gold medal!

I hope my homeschool would get gold. :D

by knittingfrenzy18, May 24, 2012, 9:53 PM

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