MOP vs RSI

by v_Enhance, Mar 13, 2013, 5:22 AM

guys help me out here

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dude RSI is this even a question
just kidding, its a valid one. I would personally go to RSI since AFAIK the only thing MOP can offer that RSI cannot is the Olympiad math teaching. However, Olympiad Math is gonna be pretty useless for you in 2 years so RSI is a much better investment towards your future.

(Ok darn last edit) Also in my opinion real math >>> olympiad math which is why the majority of time I spend on math nowadays is learning real math
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by dinoboy, Mar 13, 2013, 5:38 AM

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congrats on RSI!

by ksun48, Mar 13, 2013, 12:51 PM

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GOOD JOB GETTING INTO RSI.

Yeah there is a 99% chance you will make blue MOP.

Hmmm MATT BABBIT CHOSE RSI over MOP.

If I were in your situation I would choose MOP because I feel deprived since I haven't made MOP yet. Hopefully this year.

by yugrey, Mar 13, 2013, 3:10 PM

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He should choose MOP because you are being deprived of MOP?

by AwesomeToad, Mar 13, 2013, 4:33 PM

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@yugrey Joshua Brakensiek chose RSI over IMO. :wink:

by dinoboy, Mar 13, 2013, 6:11 PM

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It's really so much more satisfying to have an original result attached to your name than to solve yet another contest problem ... plus undergraduate research opportunities at top schools are harder to come by than you might expect. I suppose there is the element of novelty that yugrey mentioned for someone who has never gone to MOP, but I know if I had already been once (let alone twice) I would definitely pick RSI. This is probably less important, but given their excellent history, you are also almost guaranteed to win something in some major competition (Siemens, Intel, Davidson, etc.) which is kind of nice.
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by hyperbolictangent, Mar 13, 2013, 6:40 PM

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I think "How much do you want research experience" is the big question here. Research experience and "doing real math" are not the same thing here at all.

If you want only to do real math and not research experience, it's probably more helpful to go to Mathcamp or something similar/just spend your summer reading under the guidance of a professor.

RSI will (from what I know of; I have not gone to RSI myself) go to much greater depth than you have probably seen before. This will do a few things:

1.) It will show you how much math there is out there. This is actually a huge benefit, and this is IMO the biggest benefit in terms of "learning real math."

2.) It will show you what it is like to focus on depth. But do not take this to be indicative of all research; breadth done in a proper way can go deeper than sheer focus on depth. (If you do not believe me, read scheme theory and then maybe étale cohomology...)

So, think about how much you want to try to do research on one problem and decide based on that. The advice I've been given by various people is that if you have the option to learn graduate-level math in great breadth, you should do so, because the opportunity to do so will be less present once you actually become a grad student. So certainly don't think that to do real math, you need to spend all your time doing research right away.

by pythag011, Mar 13, 2013, 8:19 PM

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Choose MOP. How do you feel about RSI?
Now change your mind to RSI. How do you feel about MOP?

This process usually works for me. Personally, I would choose RSI for reasons similar to pythag's.

by dragon96, Mar 13, 2013, 10:43 PM

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by fortenforge, Mar 14, 2013, 12:16 AM

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^ People are just going to think that the question is complete BS. :P

by dragon96, Mar 14, 2013, 1:35 AM

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Personally, I would choose RSI, basically for the reasons given by pythag and dinoboy, if you're looking for research experience. For me, I would prefer RSI simply because imho being able to do some actual research and gain a view of broader, higher level math is tons more rewarding than learning more olympiad math. Sure, olympiad math knowledge/skills are pretty useful in high school competitions, but a lot of it is going to be pretty meaningless in the future. Imho actual math related things are much more interesting and rewarding than doing olympiad math, which is essentially why my activity on doing math contest problems has slowed to basically just a trickle (and unfortunately my willingness to post in the AoPS NT forums now) and replaced with other math stuff.
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by GlassBead, Mar 14, 2013, 3:36 AM

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congrats on RSI - you should definitely choose that (for the reasons that others said above... I don't want to seem redundant by repeating them haha)! i got wait listed >_>
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by chocolate9, Mar 14, 2013, 7:50 PM

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bleh

btw is the standard protocol to ask to delay acceptance until after MOP/IMO results

by v_Enhance, Mar 15, 2013, 3:23 AM

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MOP, RSI if you wanna do more research

by niraekjs, Mar 18, 2013, 11:09 PM

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You don't have to decide now...

Darn the 1% chance that you wouldn't make blue became reality, probably because you didn't care about USAMO because you got into RSI.
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