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Algebra please help
aoh11   7
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How would you solve this system of equations using logarithms?

$y=4^x$
$y=2^x+6$

Should I do $4^x-2^x=6$ and then factor the terms with x and then take log base 2 for both sides? I am not sure how to do it, so could you please help?

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system linear equation with substitution
Miranda2829   4
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5x-3y=-22
6x+4y=-34

whats the steps by using substitution in this question?

many thanks
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A mixture $P$ is formed by removing a certain amount of coffee from a coffee jar
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A mixture $P$ is formed by removing a certain amount of coffee from a coffee jar and replacing the same amount with cocoa powder. The same amount is again removed from mixture $P$ and replaced with same amount of cocoa powder to form a new mixture $Q.$ If the ratio of coffee and cocoa in the mixture $Q$ is $16 : 9,$ then the ratio of cocoa in mixture $P$ to that in mixture $Q$ is
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100th post!!!
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Hello,I am Seohyung Jo,8th grade student from South Korea. I couldn’t think I write many posts. But now,it is my 100th post!!!! As many people do these kind of posts(like 1000th post),I do this post.

Because this is my 100th post,I will share some problems:make 100

Make 100 with these numbers and +,-,*,/,!,^,nCr,nPr
Level 1(easy):20,25,30,35,40
Level 2(medium):1,3,4,5,7
Level 3(hard):1,2,3,4,5
Level 4(extreme):2,3,6,8,9
Level X:2,3,3,4,4
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random proof marathon
kevinkore3   79
N May 11, 2013 by dinoboy
Random math proof marathon.

Tell me if it's in the wrong forum, because I don't notice any others.

I'll start.

prove that $\frac{\lim_{x \to \infty}f(x+1)}{\lim_{x \to \infty}f(x)}=\frac{1+\sqrt5}{2}$ where $f(x)$ represents the $x$th Fibonacci number.
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random proof marathon
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Unfortunately Theorem 1 takes some Galois Theory which might be slightly out of the range of MC National Sprint tests. (maybe even too advanced for target :o)
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ThinkFlow wrote:
There is one thing I promised above but haven't shown yet, and that is the definition of algebraic closure and the proof that the set of all algebraic numbers is algebraic closed, and is the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{C}$. If there's popular interest toward this direction, I'll type up another (hopefully shorter) post tomorrow.

Yay so I'm bored. My proof of "the set of all algebraic numbers is algebraic closed" is probably not as nice as the one ThinkFlow has in mind since this was a proof I came up with while doing exercises from a book so its definitely not the cleanest proof available.

Let $K$ be a field. We will denote $\overline{K}$ to be the algebraic closure of $K$. So what does this mean? Basically, $\overline{K}$ is an arbitrary field such that it contains $K$ and all roots of polynomials with coefficients in $K$ lie in $\overline{K}$. By Zorn's Lemma one can in fact show the algebraic closure is unique in some sense ("up to isomorphisms which fix the basis field elements", if that means anything to you).

So how do we show an algebraic closure is algebraically closed? To do this, we require some notion about what "dimension" means. Let $A,B$ we fields and $A$ is a subset of $B$. Then we define the dimension of $B$ over $A$ to be the maximal integer $n$ such that there exists elements $v_1, v_2, ..., v_n \in B$ such that for all $a_1, a_2, ..., a_n \in A$, not all $0$, we have:
\[a_1v_1 + a_2v_2 + ... + a_nv_n \neq 0 \]
The dimension is then denoted as $n = \text{dim}_B(A)$. This definition looks like a funny way to define dimension (it is tempting to define it as the degree of the minimum polynomial of $A$ over $B$, i.e. for $\mathbb{Q}[\sqrt{2}]$ over $\mathbb{Q}$ it is $\deg (x^2 - 2) = 2$, but this definition is annoying to work with and also $B$ does not actually have to be a field in general for which this definition completely dies, but let's ignore that case for now) but it turns out to be incredibly powerful. Something important to note that is that for every element $x \in B$, there exists $b_1, b_2, ..., b_n \in A$ such that: \[b_1v_1 + b_2v_2 + ... + b_nv_n = x\] so every element of $B$ is a linear combination of $v_1, v_2, ..., v_n$ with coefficients in $A$. To prove this just argue by contradiction using the maximality of $n$ and let $\{v_1, v_2, ..., v_n, x\}$ as a set which has a weighted sum equal to $0$.

Lemma 1: Let $A$ be a field and $\alpha$ a root of an irreducible polynomial $P(x)$ (i.e. $P$ is $\alpha$'s minimum polynomial). Then \[\text{dim}_A(A[\alpha]) = \deg P(x)\] Proof: This is not hard. Taking $1, \alpha, \alpha^2, ..., \alpha^{\deg P - 1}$ as our $v_1, v_2, ..., v_n$ and then using the minimality of $P$ one derives $\text{dim}_A(A[\alpha]) \ge \deg P$. To show $\text{dim}_A(A[\alpha]) \le \deg P$, suppose it were greater and now consider $\deg P + 1$ items of $A[\alpha]$ which have no weighted sum equal to $0$. Note that every element of $A[\alpha]$ is a linear combination of $1, \alpha, \alpha^2, ..., \alpha^{\deg P - 1}$, so write everything as "vectors" whose coordinates are the coefficients on the $\alpha_i$. Then using elimination similarly to how you would solve a system of equations, you can get a nonzero sum of these vectors equals $0$, which contradicts our definition of dimension so we are done.

Lemma 2: Let $A,B,C$ be fields such that $A \subset B \subset C$. Then the following equality holds: \[\text{dim}_{A}(C) = \text{dim}_{B}(C) \cdot \text{dim}_A(B)\] Proof: Since I'm lazy, just look here.

Now we can finally prove the result. Let's say we have an arbitrary polynomial $a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + ... + a_0$ with coefficients in $\overline{\mathbb{Q}}$, WLOG it is irreducible so it is the minimum polynomial of its roots. Then we want to show its roots lie in $\overline{\mathbb{Q}}$. Consider an arbitrary root $r$ of it. Then applying Lemma 2 we have $F = \mathbb{Q}[a_0,a_1,...,a_n]$ satisfies $\dim_{\mathbb{Q}}(F)$ is finite. Applying Lemma 2 again on $A = \mathbb{Q}$, $B = F$, $C = F[r]$ we get $\text{dim}_{\mathbb{Q}}(F[r])$ is finite and then thus as $\mathbb{Q}[r] \subset F[r]$, it follows $\text{dim}_{\mathbb{Q}}(\mathbb{Q}[r])$ is finite as well. It follows that $r$ lies in $\overline{\mathbb{Q}}$ as well by applying Lemma 1 to yield $r$ is the root of some polynomial with rational coefficients and finite degree, so it follows $\overline{\mathbb{Q}}$ is algebraically closed as desired.

To answer "is the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{C}$" is difficult to answer elementarily. A very short way is to note that the algebraic closure is a subset of the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{R}$ and so the result follows by the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra, but I think I'm misinterpreting what ThinkFlow means...

Guys watch as this stuff pops up on the Team Round (as its too hard for the target round!) and you will all thank this thread for helping you.

EDIT : Oops fixed inequality to equality.
EDIT2 : Fixed typo
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math154 wrote:
By the way, for those of you at nationals, here are two generalizations of $\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}+\sqrt{5}$ that you may find interesting.
Indeed, the second more general generalization is also on math154's blog.

It's #2 on his most recent entry at http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/blog/80001.

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dinoboy wrote:
Lemma 2: Let $A,B,C$ be fields such that $A \subset B \subset C$. Then the following inequality holds: \[\text{dim}_{A}(C) = \text{dim}_{B}(C) \cdot \text{dim}_A(B)\] Proof: Since I'm lazy, just look here.

Nice "inequality."

Hey you made fun of me for writing "field" instead of "ring," and you cannot expect me to show any mercy for you writing "inequality" instead of "equality." :P
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ksun48 wrote:
Could you type up a proof of Theorem One? Thanks!

Hi, If you are really interested and determined, then I suggest this book http://www.amazon.com/Abels-Theorem-Problems-Solutions-International/dp/1402021860 It is very understandable, doesn't assume prior knowledge and it is basically focused on developing the theory that is then used to prove Abel's theorem.
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As promised, I'll define algebraic closures and algebraically closed fields and explain what they mean in the context of the algebraic numbers. I present the concepts in a different order than dinoboy does, but we cover essentially the same ground. By continuing to use Theorem 3 for symmetric polynomials, we will avoid the use of the dimension of a field extension altogether.

Suppose we are given a field $L$ containing a subfield $F$. For example, our larger field may be $\mathbb{R}$ and our contained field $\mathbb{Q}$. Another way of saying "$F$ is a subfield of $L$" is "$L$ is a field extension of $F$." We use the term field extension when we emphasize what must be additionally included (in fancier terms, "adjoined") in $F$, in order to obtain $L$. We've already seen one example: an algebraic field extension is when algebraic elements are adjoined.

We define the algebraic closure of $F$ in $L$ to be the set of all numbers $z$ in $L$ that are algebraic over $F$ (which means that $z$ satisfies a polynomial equation with coefficients in $F$, and that $F[z]$ (which lives inside $L$ since $F$ and $z$ are in $L$) is an algebraic extension of $F$). We will write the algebraic closure of $F$ in $L$ as $\overline{F_L}$. (This is different than the $\overline{K}$ that dinoboy defines!)

We have already considered a special case of this definition. When we defined the algebraic numbers to be those numbers in $\mathbb{C}$ which satisfy polynomials with coefficients in $\mathbb{Q}$, we were really considering the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{C}$. Again, the algebraic numbers are precisely the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{C}$. Furthermore, $\overline{\mathbb{Q}_\mathbb{R}}$ are the algebraic numbers which happen to be real, which is a subfield of the algebraic numbers.

Our proof that the algebraic numbers form a field (remember that we checked that $r,s$ algebraic implies $r+s, rs, 1/r$ are algebraic) works just as well for any field extension $L$ of $F$. If the following arguments are confusing, think of $F$ as $\mathbb{Q}$ and $L$ as $\mathbb{C}$.

Theorem 6 If $L$ is a field extension of $F$, then $\overline{(\overline{F_L})_L} = \overline{F_L}$.

This theorem says that, after taking the algebraic closure $\overline{F_L}$ of $F$ in $L$ once, taking the algebraic closure again does not introduce any additional elements to $\overline{F_L}$. After all, it is clear that $\overline{(\overline{F_L})_L}$ contains $\overline{F_L}$ because taking an algebraic closure can't take away any elements already in our field. Any new elements in $\overline{(\overline{F_L})_L}$ that are not in $\overline{F_L}$ must satisfy polynomial equations with coefficients in $\overline{F_L}$, because of the definition of algebraic closures. Our goal is to show that, if this happens for some element $z$, then $z$ must satisfy some more complicated polynomial equation whose coefficients are in $F$. This will imply that $z$ was already in $\overline{F_L}$ to begin with.

Suppose that $z$ satisfies a polynomial equation $P_1(x) = x^n + a_{n-1,1}x^{n-1} a_{n-2,1}+ \cdots + a_{0,1} = 0$, such that each coefficient $a_{i,1}$ lies in $\overline{F_L}$, which means that $a_{i,1}$ satisfies its own polynomial equation $Q_{i}(x) = 0$ with coefficients in $F$. We can assume the leading coefficient is 1 because we may divide by $a_n$. Denote all the roots of $Q_{i}(x)$ by $a_{i,1}, a_{i,2}, \ldots, a_{i,m_i}$, where $m_i$ is the degree of $Q_{i}(x)$.

We have introduced a lot of subscripts for the purpose of talking about those numbers that satisfy the same polynomial equations as do the coefficients of $P_1(x)$. All these polynomial equations have coefficients in $F$. The number $a_{i,j}$ means the $j$-th root of the polynomial $Q_i(x)$ in $F[x]$ that $a_{i,1}$ is assumed to satisfy.

Now define a (very large) set of polynomials $S = \{P_1(x), P_2(x), \ldots, P_k(x)\}$ where $k = m_0m_1\cdots m_{n-1}$, where the $P_i(x)$ are obtained by replacing coefficients $a_{i,1}$ in $P_1(x)$ with $a_{i,j}$ for some $j$. Since there are $m_i$ choices for this, for each $1\le i\le n-1$, we obtain our value for $k$. I claim that $Q(x) = P_1(x)P_2(x)\cdots P_k(x)$ is a polynomial with coefficients in $F$ which has $z$ as a root.

Since $P_1(z) = 0$, we only need to show that $Q(x)$, whose coefficients we know to be in $\overline{F_L}$, are in fact in $F$. View $Q(x)$ as a polynomial in the $a_{i,j}$ and $x$, with coefficients in $F$. By the construction of $S$, $Q$ is unchanged when we switch $a_{i,j_1}$ and $a_{i,j_2}$, for any fixed $i$. Using this for $i=0$, Theorem 3 lets us write $Q$ as a polynomial in $x$, the symmetric polynomials $S_k(a_{0,j})$, and the remaining $a_{i,j}$, now with $i\ge 1$. Repeating this procedure for $i=1$, we write $Q$ as a polynomial in $x$, the symmetric polynomials $S_k(a_{0,j})$, the symmetric polynomials $S_k(a_{1,j})$, and the remaining $a_{i,j}$, now with $i\ge 2$. Continuing in this way, for each $i$ from $0$ to $n-1$, we write $Q$ as a polynomial in $x$ and the symmetric polynomials $S_k(a_{i,j})$ for each fixed $0\le i\le n-1$. Because the $Q_i(x)$'s have coefficients in $F$, the $S_k$'s are all in $F$, so $Q$ is a polynomial in $x$ with coefficients in $F$, as desired.

The credit for this argument, which is much simpler than what I had initially planned, goes to geoishard. My original argument involved even more symmetric polynomial bashing, working with symmetric polynomials for the roots of $Q(x)$ directly, instead of our way of writing $Q(x)$ in terms of the $a_{i,j}$ (and $x$).

Now we say a field $F$ is algebraically closed if any polynomial with coefficients in $F$ actually has a root in $F$. Theorem 2 says that $\mathbb{C}$ is algebraically closed, and the paragraph following that theorem implies that all polynomials with in $F[x]$, where $F$ is algebraically closed, can actually be factored into linear factors $x-z$ within that field. In a somewhat confusing turn of terminology, we define the algebraic closure of a field $F$, without reference to a larger field $L$, to be an algebraically closed field $\overline{F}$ containing $F$ such that the algebraic closure $\overline{F_{\overline{F}}}$ in $\overline{F}$ is $\overline{F}$ itself. In other words, the algebraic closure of $F$ is the smallest algebraic field extension of $F$ that is also algebraically closed. This is the same as dinoboy's $\overline{K}$.

Theorem 7 Every field $F$ has an algebraic closure $\overline{F}$, unique up to $F$-isomorphism.

This means that given two algebraic closures $\overline{F}_1$ and $\overline{F}_2$ (both of which must contain $F$), there is a one-to-one correspondence between the elements of $\overline{F}_1$ outside $F$ and the elements of $\overline{F}_2$ outside $F$, which matches up with addition and multiplication. In other words, $\overline{F}_1$ and $\overline{F}_2$ are really the same field extension of $F$, just with the newly-adjoined elements given different names.

The general method of attack for Theorem 7 is refreshingly direct, and relies on Zorn's lemma, as dinoboy mentions. Specifically, given an irreducible polynomial $P(x)$ with coefficients in a field $F$ (irreducible means can't be factored into smaller-degree polynomials with coefficients in $F$), it's possible to "adjoin a root of $P(x)$," in the sense that we construct a new field $F[z]$ where the only relationships $z$ satisfies are those required by $P(z) = 0$. In this way, if $P(x)$ has degree $n$, we may express each element of $F[z]$ in the form
\[
a_{n-1}z^{n-1} + a_{n-2}z^{n-2} + \cdots +a_0,
\]
where the $a_i$'s lie in $F$, using the remarks following Theorem 2 (expressing high powers of $z$ as sums of lower powers, because of $P(z) = 0$). In fact, since $z$ is not technically in any field containing $F$ yet, we define $F[z]$ to be all expressions of this form. Multiplication and addition work fine, because of the distributive property, followed by reducing the high powers of $z$ using $P(z) = 0$.

Division also works fine, because given an element $Q(z)$ of $F[z]$, we can view it as a polynomial in $z$, with degree less than $n$. The Euclidean algorithm works as well for polynomial division as it does for integer division, and running it in reverse for the relatively prime polynomials $Q(x)$ and $P(x)$ (no common polynomial factors because $P(x)$ is irreducible) gives polynomials $R(x)$ and $S(x)$ such that $Q(x)R(x) - P(x)S(x) = 1$. Substituting $x=z$ gives $Q(z)R(z) = 1$, so $R(z)$ is an inverse for $Q(z)$, provided we use $P(z) = 0$ to reduce high powers of $z$. Furthermore, $R(z)$ happens to be unique if $P(z) = 0$. Hence $F[z]$ as defined is in fact a field extension of $F$, obtained by adjoining $z$, which satisfies an arbitrary (irreducible) polynomial equation $P(z) = 0$.

I think dinoboy's exposition assumes this notion of field extension. Note that our irreducible $P(x)$ is called the minimal polynomial of $z$.

To informally construct $\overline{K}$, just "keep adjoining roots of polynomials which don't yet have solutions." That is, at each step, consider a new (irreducible) polynomial $P(x)$ with coefficients in our current field $F'$, which is an algebraic extension of $F$. Adjoin a root $z$ of $P(x)$ using the procedure described above, to obtain a field $F'[z]$, and repeat. Zorn's lemma is the axiom that allows us to consider the field we get after doing this "infinitely often." More precisely, each of these operations defines the next member of a chain of increasingly large field extensions, each containing the last. Now every chain of field extensions so defined has an upper bound, which is the union of all the fields in that chain of field extensions. Under these conditions, Zorn's lemma allows us to find a maximal element, where there are necessarily no more $z$'s to adjoin, which means no more irreducible polynomials to solve. This is our $\overline{K}$, because this means that all polynomials have roots in that field.

We can use Zorn's lemma again to construct an $F$-isomorphism between any two algebraic closures of $F$, by taking the identity map of $F$ to itself and expanding this element-by-element to include the whole algebraic closures. Zorn's lemma gives us the result where there are no more elements to be included in the isomorphism, so we've covered everything. (This is very informal, but I hope it gives a hint of the flavor of "Axiom of Choice" arguments.)

To tie all these definitions and results together, let's return to our examples of $\mathbb{Q}$, $\mathbb{R}$, and $\mathbb{C}$. We can consider the algebraic closure $\mathbb{A}_r = \overline{\mathbb{Q}_\mathbb{R}}$ of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{R}$, and the algebraic closure $\mathbb{A} = \overline{\mathbb{Q}_\mathbb{C}}$ of $\mathbb{Q}$ in $\mathbb{C}$. (Caution: I don't think the $\mathbb{A}_r$ notation is standard.) Note that $\mathbb{A}_r$ is the intersection of $\mathbb{A}$ with $\mathbb{R}$; it's what we get when we adjoin every real algebraic number. Of course, $\mathbb{A}$ is the ring of algebraic numbers.

Since $\mathbb{C}$ is algebraically closed, $\mathbb{A}$ is actually a genuine algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$. This is because any polynomial $P(x)$ in $\mathbb{Q}[x]$ factors into linear factors $(x-z_i)$ in $\mathbb{C}$, and $\mathbb{A}$ contains those $z_i$ because they are algebraic numbers. Since $\mathbb{A}$ is clearly an algebraic field extension of $\mathbb{Q}$ by construction of the algebraic closure of $F$ in $L$, we see that $\mathbb{A}$ is an algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$, and by uniqueness we say it is the algebraic closure of $\mathbb{Q}$, up to $\mathbb{Q}$-isomorphism. In symbols, $\mathbb{A} = \overline{\mathbb{Q}}$.

But an algebraic closure of $F$ in $L$ is not always algebraically closed, that is, it's not always an algebraic closure of $F$, without reference to a field extension. For instance, $\mathbb{A}_r$ is not algebraically closed because $x^2+1=0$ has no solutions. Simply put, since we only adjoined the elements of $\mathbb{R}$ that were algebraic over $\mathbb{Q}$, we never bothered to adjoin a root of $x^2+1=0$, which doesn't have real roots! So $\mathbb{A}_r$ is not algebraically closed.

There is, of course, more than one way to arrive at these results, and dinoboy's exposition is probably more standard, because the dimension of an algebraic field extension is a very important concept. The dimension of $L$ a field extension over $F$ is the dimension of $L$ as a vector space over $F$, in the same sense that $\mathbb{R}^3$ (ordered triples, with addition and multiplication by a constant operating component-wise) is an $3$-dimensional space. The liberal use of symmetric polynomials is one way to circumvent the use of these ideas from linear algebra.

Those interested in these beginnings of field theory or algebraic number theory might read this article, which considers a greater variety of field extensions of $\mathbb{Q}$, and their applications to solving number theory problems in the integers.
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darn I thought this was the Superior Algebra forum for a second

all right back to MathCounts-level problems

Problem 13
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Ugh what is Theorem 7 .-.

also dinoboy, you typoed the Zorn's lemma URL in your post.
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SolUTIon
ProBELLm 14
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I don't think you can just cite $5>4$.

partisal salution
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AwesomeToad wrote:
I don't think you can just cite $5>4$.

partisal salution
Somehow, I thought of a full proof
Solution 15
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are you sure you can just subtract 4 from both sides? that seems a bit hand-wavy to me.

EDIT: also, what's the "+" symbol that you're using? i don't think i'm familiar with that notation.
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In my calculus class, about a third of the year was spent proving statements from the axioms, so how you can you just cite these? :P
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You could also use Peano axioms for Problem 13
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wow all the abstract algebra ruined this thread

seriously we're trying to prove that $2+3 > 4$ on a MathCounts-level forum

what is this
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I think the more accurate statement is $2 + 3 > 4$ ruined the thread, as the abstract algebra improved it.
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