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Can Euclid solve this geo ?
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Source: INMO 2025 P3
Euclid has a tool called splitter which can only do the following two types of operations :
• Given three non-collinear marked points $X,Y,Z$ it can draw the line which forms the interior angle bisector of $\angle{XYZ}$.
• It can mark the intersection point of two previously drawn non-parallel lines .
Suppose Euclid is only given three non-collinear marked points $A,B,C$ in the plane . Prove that Euclid can use the splitter several times to draw the centre of circle passing through $A,B$ and $C$.

Proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh
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Euclid has a tool called splitter which can only do the following two types of operations :
• Given three non-collinear marked points $X,Y,Z$ it can draw the line which forms the interior angle bisector of $\angle{XYZ}$.
• It can mark the intersection point of two previously drawn non-parallel lines .
Suppose Euclid is only given three non-collinear marked points $A,B,C$ in the plane . Prove that Euclid can use the splitter several times to draw the centre of circle passing through $A,B$ and $C$.

Proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh
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Euclid cannot draw circles under the current conditions? I am utterly nonplussed.
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RIP GEO MAINS
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So nice

Ok so here is my solution from contest

First draw the incentre $I$ of $\triangle BIC$.Mark the lines $BI$ and $CI$.Let $\ell_{XYZ}$ denote the angle bisector of $\angle XYZ$.
  • First draw $\ell_{BAI}$ and mark $CI \cap \ell_{BAI}=E$ .Clearly $E$ lies on the opposite side of $I$ w.r.t $C$
  • Now draw $\ell_{EIB}$ and mark $\ell_{EIB}\cap \ell_{ICB}=K_C$.Note that $K_C$ is the $C$-excentre of $\triangle BIC$.Similarly construct $K_B$ which is the $B$ excentrez of $\triangle BIC$.
  • Now note that $K_BCBK_C$ is cyclic.So by fact $5$ we have that $\ell_{K_BBK_C} \cap \ell_{K_BCK_C}=M$ lie on the circle $(K_BCBK_C)$ and $M$ is also the midpoint of arc $K_BK_C$ (on which $B$,$C$ doesn't lie).
  • Now since $\triangle MK_BK_C$ is isosceles, we have that $\ell_{K_BMK_C}$ is perpendicular bisector of $K_BK_C$ , since $K_BK_C$ is nothing other than $\ell_{EIB}$ , we can mark $\ell_{K_BMK_C}\cap K_BK_C=L$ .Now note that $L$ is the centre of $(K_BCBK_C)$
  • Thus we have $\ell_{BLC}$ is the perpendicular bisector of $BC$

This we have drawn the perpendicular bisector of $BC$.Repeat this process with $CA$ or $AB$ and mark the intersection of the perpendicular bisectors to get the circumcentre $\blacksquare$
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Yea incenter-excenter lemma
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Scilyse wrote:
Euclid cannot draw circles under the current conditions? I am utterly nonplussed.

Euclid can not draw circles but he can mark the centre.
So may be we have to find the locus of all points satisfying a certain property and forming the circle
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Aparently this trolled many people, so uhh lets solve ig.
Draw internal angle bisectors of $(B,A,C), (C, B, A), (A, B, C)$ to get they meet at $I$ the incenter of $\triangle ABC$, then internal angle bisector of $(A,B,I)$ meets $CI$ (which is already drawn when we created the incenter), at $D$, noticed $D$ is always outside $\triangle BIC$ by definition so now we use device on $(D,I,B), (B,I,C)$ to draw internal and external angle bisectors of $\angle BIC$, now use device on $(I,B,C), (I,C,B)$ to draw $J_B, J_C$ which are the $B,C$-excenters of $\triangle BIC$, notice since $\angle J_BBJ_C=90=\angle J_CCJ_B$ we have that $J_BBCJ_C$ is cyclic with diameter $J_BJ_C$ and now using device on $(B, J_B, C), (C, J_C, B)$ to draw those two angle bisectors that meet at $M$, $M$ ends up by being midpoint of arc $BC$ on $(J_BJ_C)$ which means that using device on $(B,M,C)$ gives the perpendicular bisector of $BC$, now repeat cyclically to win :cool:.
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This problem was proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh.
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S.Ragnork1729 wrote:
Euclid has a tool called splitter which can only do the following two types of operations :
• Given three non-collinear marked points $X,Y,Z$ it can draw the line which forms the interior angle bisector of $\angle{XYZ}$.
• It can mark the intersection point of two previously drawn non-parallel lines .
Suppose Euclid is only given three non-collinear marked points $A,B,C$ in the plane . Prove that Euclid can use the splitter several times to draw the circle passing through $A,B$ and $C$.

I think this should be "draw the center of the circle passing through $A$,$B$, and $C$."
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This problem was proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh.

Shankhadeep da orzzz
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solved in contest
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S.Ragnork1729 wrote:
Euclid has a tool called splitter which can only do the following two types of operations :
• Given three non-collinear marked points $X,Y,Z$ it can draw the line which forms the interior angle bisector of $\angle{XYZ}$.
• It can mark the intersection point of two previously drawn non-parallel lines .
Suppose Euclid is only given three non-collinear marked points $A,B,C$ in the plane . Prove that Euclid can use the splitter several times to draw the circle passing through $A,B$ and $C$.

Proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh

The most beautiful problem from INMO 2025 :D

You want to construct the circumcenter.
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Solved using geogebra, probably same as others. At first look I thought it would be harder than INMO 2023 P6, but I was wrong.

solution


@below i was getting goosebumps after reading the problems. 2 combo and density vibes from p6. This problem felt nice
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Reason: mistake in asy figure
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L13832 wrote:
Solved using geogebra, probably same as others. At first look I thought it would be harder than INMO 2023 P6, but I was wrong

solution

The test was alr harder than inmo 23 minus the geo and P1 how much more hardness do you want :rotfl:
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HoRI_DA_GRe8 wrote:
L13832 wrote:
Solved using geogebra, probably same as others. At first look I thought it would be harder than INMO 2023 P6, but I was wrong

solution

The test was alr harder than inmo 23 minus the geo and P1 how much more hardness do you want :rotfl:

Cutoff should crash like stock market if it is harder than inmo 23 .
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What should be the expected cutoff?
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@Supercali yes, there is a typo here, in the original paper it is "construct the center of the circle passing through A, B and C"
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S.Ragnork1729 wrote:
HoRI_DA_GRe8 wrote:
L13832 wrote:
Solved using geogebra, probably same as others. At first look I thought it would be harder than INMO 2023 P6, but I was wrong

solution

The test was alr harder than inmo 23 minus the geo and P1 how much more hardness do you want :rotfl:

Cutoff should crash like stock market if it is harder than inmo 23 .

I feel so too (However lets see cant rly say stuff)
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During the exam, I also thought it was like inmo 2023 p6 and I remembered it had like 8 lemmas in the original question and then I messed up the rest of the paper....
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My problem :D , proposed for the first time.
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People came up with really cool solutions to this, I am happy :) . I am sharing the solution that I originally came up with.
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My problem :D , proposed for the first time.
People came up with really cool solutions to this, I am happy :) . I am sharing the solution that I originally came up with.

Congrats! very cool problem, seems like my solution is the same as yours :D :-D
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solved in contest
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Can you confirm why does the intersection of angle bisector of BIC and AI give A-excenter of AIB?
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Shankha013k wrote:
Can you confirm why does the intersection of angle bisector of BIC and AI give A-excenter of AIB?

Oh sorry, $R$ is the intersection of the angle bisector of $\angle IBC$ and $AI$ rather than $\angle BIC$ and $AI$. Analogous to your solution (where you called it $Y$ I think), the point of $R$ is just for the external view in triangle $\triangle AIB$ since after this we can construct the angle bisectors of $\angle BAI$ and $\angle BIR$, which leads to excenter of $AIB$.

Edited!
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Sol:- Clearly we can mark the incenter of any triangle. Let $I$ be the incenter of $ABC$. $I_A$ be the incenter of $BIC$. Let the bisector of $\angle BAI$ meet $BI,CI$ at $D,E$.The internal angle bisector of $DIE$ ,say $l$, is just the external angle bisector of $BIC$. $l \cap CI_A=I'$ is the $C$ excenter of $BIC$. Use the bisectors of $\angle I'BI,\angle I'I_AI$ to mark the arc midpoint of $II'$ (say $N$) in cyclic quad $BI_AI'I$. The bisector of $\angle I'NI$ meet $CI_A$ at $F$ i.e. the center of $(BI_AI'I)$. The bisector of $\angle BFI$ is just the perpendicular bisector of $BI$ ,say $m$ . In a similar way we draw the perpendicular bisector of $CI$ which would intersect $m$ at $M_A$ i.e. the arc midpoint of $BC$ in $(ABC)$. The bisector of $\angle BM_AC$ is the perpendicular bisector of $BC$. Similarly draw the perpendicular bisectors of other sides to get $O$ ,the circumcenter of $ABC$. :D
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Shankha013k wrote:
Can you confirm why does the intersection of angle bisector of BIC and AI give A-excenter of AIB?

Oh sorry, $R$ is the intersection of the angle bisector of $\angle IBC$ and $AI$ rather than $\angle BIC$ and $AI$. Analogous to your solution (where you called it $Y$ I think), the point of $R$ is just for the external view in triangle $\triangle AIB$ since after this we can construct the angle bisectors of $\angle BAI$ and $\angle BIR$, which leads to excenter of $AIB$.

Edited!

Cool, you got the same solution
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So nice

Ok so here is my solution from contest

First draw the incentre $I$ of $\triangle BIC$.Mark the lines $BI$ and $CI$.Let $\ell_{XYZ}$ denote the angle bisector of $\angle XYZ$.
  • First draw $\ell_{BAI}$ and mark $CI \cap \ell_{BAI}=E$ .Clearly $E$ lies on the opposite side of $I$ w.r.t $C$
  • Now draw $\ell_{EIB}$ and mark $\ell_{EIB}\cap \ell_{ICB}=K_C$.Note that $K_C$ is the $C$-excentre of $\triangle BIC$.Similarly construct $K_B$ which is the $B$ excentrez of $\triangle BIC$.
  • Now note that $K_BCBK_C$ is cyclic.So by fact $5$ we have that $\ell_{K_BBK_C} \cap \ell_{K_BCK_C}=M$ lie on the circle $(K_BCBK_C)$ and $M$ is also the midpoint of arc $K_BK_C$ (on which $B$,$C$ doesn't lie).
  • Now since $\triangle MK_BK_C$ is isosceles, we have that $\ell_{K_BMK_C}$ is perpendicular bisector of $K_BK_C$ , since $K_BK_C$ is nothing other than $\ell_{EIB}$ , we can mark $\ell_{K_BMK_C}\cap K_BK_C=L$ .Now note that $L$ is the centre of $(K_BCBK_C)$
  • Thus we have $\ell_{BLC}$ is the perpendicular bisector of $BC$

This we have drawn the perpendicular bisector of $BC$.Repeat this process with $CA$ or $AB$ and mark the intersection of the perpendicular bisectors to get the circumcentre $\blacksquare$


Amazing solution bro, loved it
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Seems like no one has posted my solution yet, which I'd like to think is one of the simplest

Obviously we can construct $I$, the incenter of $\triangle ABC$. We now make the key claim

Claim: In $\triangle ABC$, we can construct the midpoint of minor arc $BC$ given a point $D$ lying on ray $AB$ on the opposite side of $A$

Proof: Let $I$ denote the incenter of $\triangle ABC$. Construct the $A$-excenter, $I_A$ of $\triangle ABC$ by marking the intersections of $\angle DBC$ and $\angle BAC$. By the incenter excenter lemma of course $IBI_AC$ is cyclic. We can construct the mipdoint of arc of minor arc $CI_A$ in ($IBI_AC$) (say $M_C$) by marking intersections of $I_ABC$ and $I_AIC$. Now we just take intersection of angle bisector of $\angle CM_CI_A$ and $AI_A$ to get the midpoint of minor arc $BC$ in $(ABC)$ $\square$

Back to the main problem

Let $D$ be the intersection of angle bisector of $\angle ABI$ and $CI$. This is clearly an external point on ray $CI$, so we use our claim to construct the midpoint of arc $AI$ in ($AIC$), say $X$. Notice that the intersection of angle bisector of $\angle AXI$ and $CI$ is the arc midpoint of minor arc $AB$ in $(ABC)$
Now we construct the perpendicular bisector of $AB$ and repeat the same process to get the perpendicular bisector of $AC$, which ultimately gives us the circumcenter of $(ABC)$ $\blacksquare$

Thanks a LOT Shankadeep for proposing a geometry, without this we would have a 0 geo INMO with 5 combinatorics problems :dry:
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BVKRB- wrote:
Seems like no one has posted my solution yet, which I'd like to think is one of the simplest

Obviously we can construct $I$, the incenter of $\triangle ABC$. We now make the key claim

Claim: In $\triangle ABC$, we can construct the midpoint of minor arc $BC$ given a point $D$ lying on ray $AB$ on the opposite side of $A$

Proof: Let $I$ denote the incenter of $\triangle ABC$. Construct the $A$-excenter, $I_A$ of $\triangle ABC$ by marking the intersections of $\angle DBC$ and $\angle BAC$. By the incenter excenter lemma of course $IBI_AC$ is cyclic. We can construct the mipdoint of arc of minor arc $CI_A$ in ($IBI_AC$) (say $M_C$) by marking intersections of $I_ABC$ and $I_AIC$. Now we just take intersection of angle bisector of $\angle CM_CI_A$ and $AI_A$ to get the midpoint of minor arc $BC$ in $(ABC)$ $\square$

Back to the main problem

Let $D$ be the intersection of angle bisector of $\angle ABI$ and $CI$. This is clearly an external point on ray $CI$, so we use our claim to construct the midpoint of arc $AI$ in ($AIC$), say $X$. Notice that the intersection of angle bisector of $\angle AXI$ and $CI$ is the arc midpoint of minor arc $AB$ in $(ABC)$
Now we construct the perpendicular bisector of $AB$ and repeat the same process to get the perpendicular bisector of $AC$, which ultimately gives us the circumcenter of $(ABC)$ $\blacksquare$

Thanks a LOT Shankadeep for proposing a geometry, without this we would have a 0 geo INMO with 5 combinatorics problems :dry:

Amazing solution :omighty:
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Fun fact- This tool can do the work of a straightedge too. :yup:
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Solve using geometry
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Really elegant and interesting
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ZVFrozel wrote:
S.Ragnork1729 wrote:
Euclid has a tool called splitter which can only do the following two types of operations :
• Given three non-collinear marked points $X,Y,Z$ it can draw the line which forms the interior angle bisector of $\angle{XYZ}$.
• It can mark the intersection point of two previously drawn non-parallel lines .
Suppose Euclid is only given three non-collinear marked points $A,B,C$ in the plane . Prove that Euclid can use the splitter several times to draw the circle passing through $A,B$ and $C$.

Proposed by Shankhadeep Ghosh

The most beautiful problem from INMO 2025 :D

You want to construct the circumcenter.
solution

Your solution is not correct, A,B,C point not ABC triagle. That is my mistake too.
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