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series and factorials?
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N 3 minutes ago by Maximilian113
Source: 2025 Nepal ptst p4 of 4
Find all pairs of positive integers \( n \) and \( x \) such that
\[
1^n + 2^n + 3^n + \cdots + n^n = x!
\]
(Petko Lazarov, Bulgaria)
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Collinear Centers and Midarcs
Miku3D   34
N 4 minutes ago by lelouchvigeo
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Let $ABCD$ be a cyclic convex quadrilateral and $\Gamma$ be its circumcircle. Let $E$ be the intersection of the diagonals of $AC$ and $BD$. Let $L$ be the center of the circle tangent to sides $AB$, $BC$, and $CD$, and let $M$ be the midpoint of the arc $BC$ of $\Gamma$ not containing $A$ and $D$. Prove that the excenter of triangle $BCE$ opposite $E$ lies on the line $LM$.
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Bashing??
John_Mgr   0
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I have learned little about what bashing mean as i am planning to start geo, feels like its less effort required and doesnt need much knowledge about the synthetic solutions?
what do you guys recommend ? also state the major difference of them... especially of bashing pros and cons..
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1 area = 2025 points
giangtruong13   1
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In a plane give a set $H$ that has 8097 distinct points with area of a triangle that has 3 points belong to $H$ all $ \leq 1$. Prove that there exists a triangle $G$ that has the area $\leq 1 $ contains at least 2025 points that belong to $H$( each of that 2025 points can be inside the triangle or lie on the edge of triangle $G$)X
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Coaxal Circles
fattypiggy123   28
N Jan 30, 2025 by EthanWYX2009
Source: China TSTST Test 2 Day 1 Q3
Let $ABCD$ be a quadrilateral and let $l$ be a line. Let $l$ intersect the lines $AB,CD,BC,DA,AC,BD$ at points $X,X',Y,Y',Z,Z'$ respectively. Given that these six points on $l$ are in the order $X,Y,Z,X',Y',Z'$, show that the circles with diameter $XX',YY',ZZ'$ are coaxal.
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Coaxal Circles
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Source: China TSTST Test 2 Day 1 Q3
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Let $ABCD$ be a quadrilateral and let $l$ be a line. Let $l$ intersect the lines $AB,CD,BC,DA,AC,BD$ at points $X,X',Y,Y',Z,Z'$ respectively. Given that these six points on $l$ are in the order $X,Y,Z,X',Y',Z'$, show that the circles with diameter $XX',YY',ZZ'$ are coaxal.
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Note that by Desargues' Involution Theorem, $(XX';YY;ZZ')$ are pairs of an involution on $l$. Let $P$ and $Q$ be the fixed points of the involution. Note that the midpoint of $PQ$ has the same power $\frac{PQ^2}{4}$ to all three circles by harmonics, so the perpendicular bisector of $PQ$ is the common radical axis of all three circles.
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Nice solution @ABCDE, my solution coincides with your solution.
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What is Desargues' Involution Theorem?
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I wonder why this problem got in China TST...(and even number 6!!) This is so easy if you know involution...
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Can someone explain/provide a link?
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Dear math90:http://www2.washjeff.edu/users/mwoltermann/Dorrie/63.pdf
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toto1234567890 wrote:
I wonder why this problem got in China TST...(and even number 6!!) This is so easy if you know involution...

Geometry is usually the easiest part in our country. :-D
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Just look at the problem today... Surprise me!
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ABCDE wrote:
Note that by Desargues' Involution Theorem, $(XX';YY;ZZ')$ are pairs of an involution on $l$. Let $P$ and $Q$ be the fixed points of the involution. Note that the midpoint of $PQ$ has the same power $\frac{PQ^2}{4}$ to all three circles by harmonics, so the perpendicular bisector of $PQ$ is the common radical axis of all three circles.

This solution is slightly incorrect: not all involutions on a (real) line are guaranteed to have fixed points. Fortunately this can be fixed with a pretty small amount of work. What is true (you can verify this algebraically using mobius transforms; CantonMathGuy and I just did this) is that any involution on a line is an inversion of some nonzero (possibly negative) power (there are no fixed points when it is negative). It is clear then that the center of this inversion has equal power to all three circles, so it serves the same purpose as the midpoint of $PQ$.

In fact, the center of this inversion is the midpoint of $PQ$, at least when they exist. In the complex projective line, where $P,Q$ must exist, the center of inversion is still the midpoint of these two points, so this is another way to patch the original solution. One still must take a certain amount of care to work out the details, though, when working in the complex projective line.
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Claim. Let $\omega_a$, $\omega_b$, $\omega_c$, $\omega_d$ be four circles. Define $P_{xy}$ to be the exsimilicenter of $(\omega_x, \omega_y)$ for $\{x, y\} \subset \{a, b, c, d\}$. Then the circles with diameters $P_{ab}P_{cd}, P_{ac}P_{bd}, P_{ad}P_{bc}$ are coaxal.

Proof. By Monge, $P_{ab}, P_{ac}, P_{ad}$ belong to a line $\ell_a$; define $\ell_b, \ell_c, \ell_d$ similarly. If these lines are pairwise distinct, the claim follows from Gauss-Bodenmiller Theorem in the complete quadrilateral $\{\ell_a, \ell_b, \ell_c, \ell_d\}$; otherwise, these lines must be identical, and the claim follows by continuity. $\square$
Select circles $\omega_a, \omega_b, \omega_c, \omega_d$ centered at $A, B, C, D$, so that the exsimilicenters of $(\omega_c, \omega_d), (\omega_a, \omega_d), (\omega_b, \omega_d)$ are the points $X', Y', Z'$, respectively. (The circles may have negative radius.) By Monge, the points $X, Y, Z$ are the exsimilicenters of $(\omega_a, \omega_b), (\omega_b, \omega_c), (\omega_a, \omega_c)$. The problem now follows from the claim.
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adamov1 wrote:
This solution is slightly incorrect: not all involutions on a (real) line are guaranteed to have fixed points. Fortunately this can be fixed with a pretty small amount of work. What is true (you can verify this algebraically using mobius transforms; CantonMathGuy and I just did this) is that any involution on a line is an inversion of some nonzero (possibly negative) power (there are no fixed points when it is negative). It is clear then that the center of this inversion has equal power to all three circles, so it serves the same purpose as the midpoint of $PQ$.

Can you show the proof this?
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Can somebody explain what coaxal means?
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Three circles are coaxal if and only if they have common radical axis.
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adamov1 wrote:
ABCDE wrote:
Note that by Desargues' Involution Theorem, $(XX';YY;ZZ')$ are pairs of an involution on $l$. Let $P$ and $Q$ be the fixed points of the involution. Note that the midpoint of $PQ$ has the same power $\frac{PQ^2}{4}$ to all three circles by harmonics, so the perpendicular bisector of $PQ$ is the common radical axis of all three circles.

This solution is slightly incorrect: not all involutions on a (real) line are guaranteed to have fixed points. Fortunately this can be fixed with a pretty small amount of work. What is true (you can verify this algebraically using mobius transforms; CantonMathGuy and I just did this) is that any involution on a line is an inversion of some nonzero (possibly negative) power (there are no fixed points when it is negative). It is clear then that the center of this inversion has equal power to all three circles, so it serves the same purpose as the midpoint of $PQ$.

In fact, the center of this inversion is the midpoint of $PQ$, at least when they exist. In the complex projective line, where $P,Q$ must exist, the center of inversion is still the midpoint of these two points, so this is another way to patch the original solution. One still must take a certain amount of care to work out the details, though, when working in the complex projective line.

Sorry but how does this complete the proof?
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Does this work? It doesn't seem to be the same as ABCDE's.

By Desargues' Involution Theorem, $(X,X'),(Y,Y'),(Z,Z')$ must be swapped under some inversion with center $K$ on $l.$ Since $KX\cdot KX'=KY\cdot KY'=KZ\cdot KZ',$ $K$ must then be the radical center of $(XX'),(YY'),(ZZ').$ However, we know that the centers of the circles are collinear, so $K$ must either be the point at infinity along a line perpendicular to $l$ or $(XX'),(YY'),(ZZ')$ must be coaxial; clearly, the former is impossible, so we're done. $\blacksquare$

oh wait this is basically the correct finish that adamov1 pointed out .-.
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By Desargues Involution Theorem, $(X', X), (Y, Y'), (Z, Z')$ are pairs swapped under some involution. If this is a reflection, the problem is done. Otherwise, suppose that the involution is an inversion, say with center $P$ on line $l.$ Now observe that $$PX \cdot PX' = PY \cdot PY' = PZ \cdot PZ'$$meaning that $P$ is the radical center of the circles with diameters $XX', YY',$ and $ZZ'.$ Now if you draw the line perpendicular to $l$ passing through $P$ this must be the radical axis of the $3$ circles, as desired. Note: $P$ may be the point at infinity, but this is clearly not true since then the line must be the line at infinity.
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Who needs DIT when you can just kill with coordinates :love:

The condition is equivalent to the existence of a point $P$ such that $PX\cdot PX' = PY\cdot PY' = PZ \cdot PZ'$ (lengths are signed).

Claim: For any four points $X,X',Y,Y' \in l$ there exists a unique $P\in l$ such that $PX\cdot PX' = PY\cdot PY'$.

Proof: Note that $P$ has equal power with respect to the circles with diameter $XX', YY'$ respectively, thus $P$ must lie on the radical axis of the two circles which is perpendicular to $l$, so $P$ is the intersection of $l$ and the radical axis of the two circles. It is evident that this intersection satisfies the problem statement, as claimed. $\blacksquare$

For the main part of the proof, set up coordinates with $P$ as the origin and $l$ the $x$-axis. Consider conics $\Xi :=AB \cup CD, \Psi := BC \cup DA$ and any other conic through $A,B,C,D$ (which can be expressed as $\lambda \Xi + \mu \Psi = 0$ for some reals $\lambda, \mu$). By Vieta it follows that the ratio (constant/leading coeff) of $\lambda \Xi + \mu \Psi$ is the same as that of $\Xi$ and $\Psi$, hence for any conic through $A,B,C,D$ (including $AC\cup BD$) intersecting $l$ at points $Z,Z'$ we have (in signed distances) $PZ\cdot PZ' = PX\cdot PX' = PY\cdot PY'$, as desired.

Note that this offers a proof of DIT using cartesian coordinates.
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This is pretty much just DIT using $\ell$: the desired involution is a negative inversion about some point $P$ on $\ell$ which can be easily seen from the orientation of the points. $P$ has equal power to all three circles, and since the circle centers are collinear, we are done.
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This is kind of equivalent to DIT, we are obviously done if the involution is a reflection, if the involution is an inversion, there exists point $P$ on $l$ such that it's power to all three circles is constant, and hence the line $d$ which is perpendicular to $l$ and passes through $P$ would be our radical axis, so those three circles would be coaxial.

The other side is also the same, simply consider the intersection of the radical axis of the three circles with $l$, then that point is the center of an inversion which maps X to X', Y to Y' and Z to Z'.
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Using DIT, reflection does not exist, since in that case, circles are concentric and radical axis does not exist.
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By DIT, $(X,X'),(Y,Y'),(Z,Z')$ are swapped by an involution. If it is a reflection, we are done. If it is an inversion at $P,$ then $$PX\cdot PX'=PY\cdot PY'=PZ\cdot PZ'$$so $P$ is the radical center of our circles. If the circles are not coaxal, then $P$ is the point at infinity along the line perpendicular to $\ell,$ which is absurd. $\square$
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[asy]
        /*
        Converted from GeoGebra by User:Azjps using Evan's magic cleaner
        https://github.com/vEnhance/dotfiles/blob/main/py-scripts/export-ggb-clean-asy.py
        */
        /*
        A few re-additions (otherwise throws error due to the missing xmin) are done using bubu-asy.py. This adds back the dps, real xmin coordinates, changes the linewidth, the fontsize and adds the directions to the labellings.
        */
        pair A = (-112.56662,71.45286);
        pair B = (-140,-80);
        pair C = (98.17049,-82.53832);
        pair D = (14.16640,154.49649);
        pair X = (-180.85092,-305.52787);
        pair Y = (-72.06909,-80.72397);
        pair Zp = (118.67646,313.46266);
        pair Z = (-28.24650,9.83792);
        pair Xp = (25.82900,121.58806);
        pair Yp = (54.56188,180.96621);

        import graph;
        size(12.1cm);
        pen dps = linewidth(0.5) + fontsize(13); defaultpen(dps);

        draw(A--B, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(B--C, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(C--D, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(D--A, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(B--Zp, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(Zp--X, linewidth(0.5) + red);
        draw(X--B, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(D--Yp, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(A--C, linewidth(0.5));
        draw(circle((-77.51096,-91.96990), 237.24703), linewidth(0.5) + blue);
        draw(circle((-8.75360,50.12111), 145.35917), linewidth(0.5) + blue);
        draw(circle((45.21497,161.65029), 168.65226), linewidth(0.5) + blue);

        dot("$A$", A, NW);
        dot("$B$", B, W);
        dot("$C$", C, E);
        dot("$D$", D, NW);
        dot("$X$", X, SW);
        dot("$Y$", Y, 2*dir(270));
        dot("$Z'$", Zp, NE);
        dot("$Z$", Z, 2*dir(270));
        dot("$X'$", Xp, NE);
        dot("$Y'$", Yp, 2*E);
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Note that from the definition of the points, using DIT we get that there exists an Involution on $\ell$ swapping $(X,X')$, $(Y, Y')$ and $(Z,Z')$. Moreover, as this is an Involution on a line, so we get that it is either a reflection w.r.t. some point on $\ell$, or an Inversion w.r.t. some point on $\ell$ as its center. If this were a reflection, then the segments $XX'$ and $YY'$ share the same midpoint and thus the order of the points would be $\overline{X-Y-Y'-X'}$ or $\overline{Y-X-X'-Y'}$. This however contradicts the order of $Y'$ with $X'$ as given in the problem statement.

Thus this Involution must be an Inversion. Note that as this Inversion swaps $(X,X')$ we get that this Inversion fixes the circle with diameter $\odot(XX')$. Similarly, it fixes the circles $\odot(YY')$ and $\odot(ZZ')$ too. Now consider the radical axis of $\odot(XX')$ and $\odot(YY')$. Note that this passes through the intersection points of $\odot(XX')$ and $\odot(YY')$ (due to the ordering of the points in the problem statement). Now further notice that as both the circles are fixed, we get that their intersection points are also fixed. Thus the intersection points lie on the circle with respect to which we are Inverting (say $\Gamma$). Thus $\left\{\Gamma,\odot(XX'),\odot(YY')\right\}$ share a common radical axis. Similarly, $\left\{\Gamma,\odot(XX'),\odot(ZZ')\right\}$ also share the common radical axis which means that the circles $\left\{\odot(XX'),\odot(YY'),\odot(ZZ')\right\}$ are coaxial and we are done. :stretcher:
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By DIT, there exists an involution swapping $(X,X');(Y,Y');(Z,Z')$ but this is just inversion for some point $O$, so $OX \cdot OX' = OY \cdot OY' = OZ \cdot OZ'$ and hence the circles are coaxial.
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Wow.

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Let $\omega_1$, $\omega_2$ and $\omega_3$ be the circles $(XX')$, $(YY')$ and $(ZZ')$. Note that $(X, X')$, $(Y, Y')$ and $(Z, Z')$ are reciprocal pairs for a unique involution a unique involution along $\ell$. Now it is well-known that any involution along a line is an inversion with fixed center, say $P$. However this value of $P$ satisfies,
\begin{align*}
\text{Pow}(\text{Inversion}) = PX \cdot PX' = PY \cdot PY' = PZ \cdot PZ'
\end{align*}Then $P$ lies on the pairwise radical axes of $\omega_i$ and $\omega_{i+1}$, where indices are taken modulo $3$. However also note that all three radical axes are perpendicular to $\ell$ and hence each radical axis is simply the line perpendicular to $\ell$ through $P$. Hence the three circles are coaxial. $\square$
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Rizztastic problem! By the amazing DDIT theorem, $XX'$, $YY'$ and $ZZ'$ are pairs of points swapped by an involution. Also, the involution can be defined as inversion from a point $P$ on the line $XX'YY'ZZ'$. But now, $PX \cdot PX' = PY \cdot PY' = PZ \cdot PZ'$ by inversion. Now this means that $P$ is on all the radical axes. But because the centers of the circles are collinear, then they have to be coaxial, or otherwise $P$ is at infinity (but lies on the line).
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By Desargues' Involution Theorem; $X$ and $X'$; $Y$ and $Y'$; $Z$ and $Z'$ are swapped by some involution. Since involutions are inversions/reflections, the center $O$ of this inversion lies on $l$ and satisfies $OX.OX'=OY.OY'=OZ.OZ'$ so $O$ lies on the radical axes of $(XX'),(YY'),(ZZ')$. Note that $l$ joins the centers of all these circles so their pairwise radical axes must be perpendicular to $l$. But by the above assertion, all of these lines must pass through $O$, so it is easy to see that all these radical axes must coincide so we are done.
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Denote by $\Gamma_X , \Gamma_Y$ and $\Gamma_Z$ the circles with diameters $XX'$ , $YY'$ and $ZZ'$ respectively. By Desargue's Involution Theorem, there exists an involution swapping pairs $(X,X')$ , $(Y,Y')$ and $(Z,Z')$. Since $X,Y,X'$ and $Y'$ are on the line $\ell$ in this order, this involution cannot be a reflection across a point on $\ell$. Thus, it must be an inversion about a point $P \in \ell$. Thus, there exists a point $P \in \ell$ such that,
\[PX\cdot PX' = PY \cdot PY' = PZ \cdot PZ'\]Thus, the pairwise radical axes of $\Gamma_X$ , $\Gamma_Y$ and $\Gamma_Z$ have a common point $P \in \ell$. Further, it is well known that the radical axis of two circles must be perpendicular to the line joining their centers. Thus, the pairwise radical axes of $\Gamma_X$ , $\Gamma_Y$ and $\Gamma_Z$ must all also be perpendicular to $\ell$. But then, they must be the same line - the line through $P$ which is perpendicular to $\ell$. Thus, the pairwise radical axes of $\Gamma_X$ , $\Gamma_Y$ and $\Gamma_Z$ are all the same line, which since these circles clearly intersect ($X,Y,Z,X',Y',Z'$ lie on $\ell$ in this order) implies that the circles $\Gamma_X , \Gamma_Y$ and $\Gamma_Z$ are coaxial.
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Nice solution from my teacher: Consider $\ell :y=c$ where $c$ is moving. $X(u,c),Y(v,c),Z(w,c),X'(u',c),Y'(v',c),Z'(w',c).$
The Analytical formula of $\odot (XX')$ is $$(x-(u+u')/2)^2+(y-c)^2=(u-u')^2/4\iff x^2-(u+u')x+uu'+(y-c)^2=0.$$To prove the three functions are linearly dependent, we only need
$$\frac{u+u'-v-v'}{uu'-vv'}=\frac{u+u'-w-w'}{uu'-ww'}.$$However we may write $u=P(c)$ where $\deg P=1,$ thus the above equality is $Q(c)$ with degree 3. Therefore we only need to plug in 4 special $c,$ and using $A,B,C,D$ we are done! $\Box$
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