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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

Find instructions and a list of contests to add here: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c40244h1064480_contests_to_add
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Sep 9, 2019
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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Iran Team Selection Test 2016
MRF2017   9
N 14 minutes ago by SimplisticFormulas
Source: TST3,day1,P2
Let $ABC$ be an arbitrary triangle and $O$ is the circumcenter of $\triangle {ABC}$.Points $X,Y$ lie on $AB,AC$,respectively such that the reflection of $BC$ WRT $XY$ is tangent to circumcircle of $\triangle {AXY}$.Prove that the circumcircle of triangle $AXY$ is tangent to circumcircle of triangle $BOC$.
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Some nice summations
amitwa.exe   30
N 28 minutes ago by P162008
Problem 1: $\Omega=\left(\sum_{0\le i\le j\le k}^{\infty} \frac{1}{3^i\cdot4^j\cdot5^k}\right)\left(\mathop{{\sum_{i=0}^{\infty}\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}}}_{i\neq j\neq k}\frac{1}{3^i\cdot3^j\cdot3^k}\right)=?$
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soryn   3
N an hour ago by soryn
The school A has m1 boys and m2 girls, and ,the school B has n1 boys and n2 girls. Each school is represented by one team formed by p students,boys and girls. If f(k) is the number of cases for which,the twice schools has,togheter k girls, fund f(k) and the valute of k, for which f(k) is maximum.
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Justpassingby   5
N 2 hours ago by venhancefan777
Source: 2021 Mexico Center Zone Regional Olympiad, problem 1
Let $p$ be an odd prime number. Let $S=a_1,a_2,\dots$ be the sequence defined as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=2,\dots,a_{p-1}=p-1$, and for $n\ge p$, $a_n$ is the smallest integer greater than $a_{n-1}$ such that in $a_1,a_2,\dots,a_n$ there are no arithmetic progressions of length $p$. We say that a positive integer is a ghost if it doesn’t appear in $S$.
What is the smallest ghost that is not a multiple of $p$?

Proposed by Guerrero
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easternlatincup   36
N 2 hours ago by Tony_stark0094
Source: Chinese Girl's MO 2007
For $ a,b,c\geq 0$ with $ a+b+c=1$, prove that

$ \sqrt{a+\frac{(b-c)^2}{4}}+\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}\leq \sqrt{3}$
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Turbo's en route to visit each cell of the board
Lukaluce   20
N 2 hours ago by Mathgloggers
Source: EGMO 2025 P5
Let $n > 1$ be an integer. In a configuration of an $n \times n$ board, each of the $n^2$ cells contains an arrow, either pointing up, down, left, or right. Given a starting configuration, Turbo the snail starts in one of the cells of the board and travels from cell to cell. In each move, Turbo moves one square unit in the direction indicated by the arrow in her cell (possibly leaving the board). After each move, the arrows in all of the cells rotate $90^{\circ}$ counterclockwise. We call a cell good if, starting from that cell, Turbo visits each cell of the board exactly once, without leaving the board, and returns to her initial cell at the end. Determine, in terms of $n$, the maximum number of good cells over all possible starting configurations.

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Divisibility on 101 integers
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N 2 hours ago by ClassyPeach
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There are $101$ positive integers $a_1, a_2, \ldots, a_{101}$ such that for every index $i$, with $1 \leqslant i \leqslant 101$, $a_i+1$ is a multiple of $a_{i+1}$. Determine the greatest possible value of the largest of the $101$ numbers.
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VicKmath7   19
N 2 hours ago by NuMBeRaToRiC
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Let $a, b$ and $c$ be positive integers satisfying the equation $(a, b) + [a, b]=2021^c$. If $|a-b|$ is a prime number, prove that the number $(a+b)^2+4$ is composite.

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MithsApprentice   89
N 3 hours ago by blueprimes
Let $\mathbb{R}$ be the set of real numbers. Determine all functions $f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ such that \[ f(x^2 - y^2) = x f(x) - y f(y)  \] for all pairs of real numbers $x$ and $y$.
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pqr/uvw convert
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N 3 hours ago by Victoria_Discalceata1
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Hi everyone,
As we know, the pqr/uvw method is a powerful and useful tool for proving inequalities. However, transforming an expression $f(a,b,c)$ into $f(p,q,r)$ or $f(u,v,w)$ can sometimes be quite complex. That's why I’ve written a program to assist with this process.
I hope you’ll find it helpful!

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Let $ a,b,c $ be real numbers such that $ a^2+b^2+c^2=1. $ Prove that $$ |a-kb|+|b-kc|+|c-ka|\leq \sqrt{3k^2+2k+3}$$Where $ k\geq 0 . $
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N 3 hours ago by KhuongTrang
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Tiling rectangle with smaller rectangles.
MarkBcc168   60
N 3 hours ago by cursed_tangent1434
Source: IMO Shortlist 2017 C1
A rectangle $\mathcal{R}$ with odd integer side lengths is divided into small rectangles with integer side lengths. Prove that there is at least one among the small rectangles whose distances from the four sides of $\mathcal{R}$ are either all odd or all even.

Proposed by Jeck Lim, Singapore
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ALGEBRA INEQUALITY
Tony_stark0094   2
N 4 hours ago by Sedro
$a,b,c > 0$ Prove that $$\frac{a^2+bc}{b+c} + \frac{b^2+ac}{a+c} + \frac {c^2 + ab}{a+b} \geq a+b+c$$
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North Korea's disqualification at IMO 2010.
nine43   45
N Sep 28, 2023 by fffffau
Hello, I was a participant at the 51st IMO in Kazakhstan this year.
I would like to use this thread to shed light on some misconceptions regarding the North Korean team and their disqualification.

Let me start off with a few quotes, from reliable sources.

1.
[quote]Nobody talked about flash cards, the only evidence of cheating was that almost all participants from North Korea started the problem 3 with the same lemma which is used in the official solution.[/quote]
- A person on the coordinators' team.

2.
[quote]The North Koreans' disqualification was based on a vote of the jury[/quote]
- A team leader.

3.
[quote]The North Korean education system consists of grades K-10; talented students in math are trained separately for the IMO. [/quote]
- Another team leader, information confirmed by an internet source.

4.
[quote]I still don't what is going on here. Why are we disqualified?[/quote]
- U. Ri, a member of the North Korean team.

The first two quotes show the unjustness of North Korea's disqualification this year. Unlike North Korea's 1991 disqualification, the disqualification this year was not based on hard evidence. Instead, it was decided by a vote, which was probably fueled by suspicion. What kind of justice system bases its decision on a vote? It is widely accepted around the globe that people are innocent unless proven guilty. Is the IMO jury turning to frenzy and giving up reason? The IMO jury's decision this year is comparable to a modern witch trial. Too many factors added to the bias of the jury - North Korea's precedent in 1991, and its unbelievely high performance at the IMO this year, to name a few.
Now we suppose that North Korea did not cheat - what factors led to the participants using the same lemma? Look at quote 3 - the North Korean Math Olympians are trained separately for about 1~2years. Unlike America, or other countries like Japan or South Korea, they do not have access to local math programs, or valuable internet classes. The resources made available to these kids are basically the same. Although the North Korean students are creative intellectuals, they think the same way when it comes to math, for they have the exact same training. Also, we cannot completely rule out the possibility that the North Koreans had a very similar problem during one of their practice sessions.
As for me, the North Korean students came across as very bright kids, with a positive attitude toward life. (I would also like to say that Ri Yong Hyon is a party animal). I was next to the North Koreans at the precise moment they checked their results online (this was on Sunday night). At this time, it did not say disqualified next to North Korea; North Korea's page on the website was removed while the jury meeting was going on. One of the North Koreans kept on checking the page for North Korea, believing their test papers hadn't been fully graded yet. The next morning, one of them kept asking me whether I knew what was going on or not, and kept on saying they did not understand. If they had knowingly cheated, they wouldn't have reacted this way.
There are several measures that could be taken,none of them as radical as a disqualification. One thing that can be done is to reinstate the North Koreans' scores, yet make them unofficial. Another thing that can be done is to remove North Korea's scores for number 3. But I believe that the right thing to do is to restore North Korea's scores completely.
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nine43
Jul 14, 2010
fffffau
Sep 28, 2023
North Korea's disqualification at IMO 2010.
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Hello, I was a participant at the 51st IMO in Kazakhstan this year.
I would like to use this thread to shed light on some misconceptions regarding the North Korean team and their disqualification.

Let me start off with a few quotes, from reliable sources.

1.
Quote:
Nobody talked about flash cards, the only evidence of cheating was that almost all participants from North Korea started the problem 3 with the same lemma which is used in the official solution.
- A person on the coordinators' team.

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Quote:
The North Koreans' disqualification was based on a vote of the jury
- A team leader.

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The North Korean education system consists of grades K-10; talented students in math are trained separately for the IMO.
- Another team leader, information confirmed by an internet source.

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Quote:
I still don't what is going on here. Why are we disqualified?
- U. Ri, a member of the North Korean team.

The first two quotes show the unjustness of North Korea's disqualification this year. Unlike North Korea's 1991 disqualification, the disqualification this year was not based on hard evidence. Instead, it was decided by a vote, which was probably fueled by suspicion. What kind of justice system bases its decision on a vote? It is widely accepted around the globe that people are innocent unless proven guilty. Is the IMO jury turning to frenzy and giving up reason? The IMO jury's decision this year is comparable to a modern witch trial. Too many factors added to the bias of the jury - North Korea's precedent in 1991, and its unbelievely high performance at the IMO this year, to name a few.
Now we suppose that North Korea did not cheat - what factors led to the participants using the same lemma? Look at quote 3 - the North Korean Math Olympians are trained separately for about 1~2years. Unlike America, or other countries like Japan or South Korea, they do not have access to local math programs, or valuable internet classes. The resources made available to these kids are basically the same. Although the North Korean students are creative intellectuals, they think the same way when it comes to math, for they have the exact same training. Also, we cannot completely rule out the possibility that the North Koreans had a very similar problem during one of their practice sessions.
As for me, the North Korean students came across as very bright kids, with a positive attitude toward life. (I would also like to say that Ri Yong Hyon is a party animal). I was next to the North Koreans at the precise moment they checked their results online (this was on Sunday night). At this time, it did not say disqualified next to North Korea; North Korea's page on the website was removed while the jury meeting was going on. One of the North Koreans kept on checking the page for North Korea, believing their test papers hadn't been fully graded yet. The next morning, one of them kept asking me whether I knew what was going on or not, and kept on saying they did not understand. If they had knowingly cheated, they wouldn't have reacted this way.
There are several measures that could be taken,none of them as radical as a disqualification. One thing that can be done is to reinstate the North Koreans' scores, yet make them unofficial. Another thing that can be done is to remove North Korea's scores for number 3. But I believe that the right thing to do is to restore North Korea's scores completely.
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Well, "nine43", you are right in almost everything.
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Really, I don't know how to settle this very unpleasent and unpredecessed matter?!?
(I had a vast discussion with a lawyer friend of mine and he didn't come forward with any reasonable proposal, either.)
Hopefully this all will be no prejudgement whatsoever for future IMO's. (For it did an irreversible harm to the ideas (still) behind IMO, if we would start qualifying certain nations as, say, "unwanted" or something else.)
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So were they at least disqualified only for this year? Meaning are they gonna be participating in IMO 2011?
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I know nothing about North Korea... However, I think that, if they've all had contact with a similar problem, they must be able to say what problem is it.

Anyway, without formal evidence, the standard procedure is to consider everybody inocent... A different behavior might be a diplomatic catastrophe.

nine43, of course I hope you are not North Korean. Your opinion would be biased... Judging by your English, though, I would say you are a native English speaker...
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feliz wrote:
I know nothing about North Korea... However, I think that, if they've all had contact with a similar problem, they must be able to say what problem is it.
I have not talked to the students personally after their disqualification, so I cannot say anything about the validity of my claim that they encountered a similar problem. However, the decision was made without consulting the North Korean students, as far as I know. I do not know if the North Korean kids had contact with a similar problem.

Again, I emphasize this: In America, (or in most other countries) math olympians all recieve different education, with emphasis different subjects, and their strengths are very different by the time they start winning olympiads at the national level. Also, after these people know that they are good in a subject, they begin to focus on that subject more and solve harder problems, making this 'imbalance' stronger. In North Korea, all education that these kids received is quite similar, maybe identical.

Look at South Korea this year - this year, an irregular situation has happened with the South Korean team - 5 of them are from the same magnet school. This caused their scores to be almost identical - actually, if you look at http://imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=KOR&year=2010, you can immediately figure out who is from a different school.

So shouldn't the North Koreans have a similar situation? Their thinking processes were probably tuned the same way. Although I am not an expert on how thinking works, I can assume that these people learned the same lemmas/theorems and learned the same approach to tackling problems.

feliz wrote:
nine43, of course I hope you are not North Korean. Your opinion would be biased... Judging by your English, though, I would say you are a native English speaker...

I think various people on Aops/mathlinks can confirm that I am not North Korean :)
And although I am a South Korean (who grew up in the US for a short time), I too had biased opinions towards North Korea (the elementary school curriculum in South Korea somehow does a very good job of depicting North Koreans as mindless zombies, while somehow at the same time emphasizing harmony and peace). It was only after meeting the contestants and talking to them that I realized they were lively and very intelligent - intelligent enough to deserve gold medals at the IMO.
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I hope that more students, observers, leaders, deputy leaders who were in Kazakhstan post articles, here.

- Hojoo Lee
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During one of the final meetings, when the medal cut-offs were decided, team-leaders once again raised the question about the fairness of North Koreans' disqualification. Bangaldesh's team-leader said that after the vote he spoke to North Korean's team-leader. So according to what he said, mr.Yong Chol Ham didn't accept the guilt and seemed quite perplexed, and due to his bad english he couldn't completely understand what he and his team were charged of, neither say something to justify himself.

P.S: I am the guy mentioned above as a member of coordinators' team
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I was an observer at the IMO for a minor country (in IMO terms!), and got a chance to meet some of the DPRK contestants in both Baldauren and Astana. I have no view on whether they cheated or not.

I do, however, have a view on the justice issue.

Many many justice systems reach decisions based on votes, so I don't think that's a problem.

What concerns me is that

1) perhaps the evidence was insufficient to justify a guilty verdict

(obviously anyone accused of wrongdoing should be assumed to be innocent until proved guilty by an agreed standard of proof), and

2) there does not seem to have been a proper investigation

(which should give the accused people a chance to respond, including by presenting more evidence if they wish)

If cheating occurred, then it is extremely probable (although not wholly necessary) that the contestants themselves were involved, and therefore they certainly should have been given a chance to explain themselves. Since they weren't, the decision was unfair.

However, I do not think that the DPRK results should immediately be reinstated and the matter closed. Cheating allegations should be taken very seriously, in the interests of all of us, and what should happen now is that there should be a proper investigation. All of the evidence should be put to those involved in the DPRK effort, and all involved should be given a chance to respond. They should also be allowed to discuss among themselves how to respond.

The absurd position in Kazakhstan was that Baldauren was a very odd and peculiar place, with its managers doing things like preventing internet access on certain days, keeping observers waiting outside the gate for hours, etc. The rock concert with the cheerleaders prompting people to chant and clap about how great Baldauren was, made me think of the Khmer Rouge.

(The 6-7 hour coach ride the day before round one was absolutely ridiculous, even if it weren't for the fact that most of the coaches had bald tyres! I don't know what got into Jozsef Pelikan's head, saying 'yes' to the Baldauren plan. The exams should have been held in Astana, with the leaders being in Almaty. But don't forget that Baldauren is associated with the Kazakh dictator Nazarbayev. On three separate occasions I saw heavies from Baldauren slap down IMO organizers from Daryn. The way deputy leaders, observers B and observers C were treated was a disgrace. Obviously what certain individuals at Baldauren wanted counted for much more than what was written in the IMO 2010 regulations. There was often a very "Soviet" feel, with what the "first department" wanted being unchallengeable.

The basic fact is that IMO 2010 was extremely badly organized, and hopefully other olympiad organizers will take note and no other international olympiad of any kind will be held in Kazakhstan for several years. Sorry if this sounds harsh, and it certainly isn't a criticism of most Kazakh people I met - and people from Kazakhstan who are of other nationalities, including Russian - who were friendly, nice, helpful and kind, and a joy to be with).

But I digress...

The idea that the DPRK issue had to be concluded before the jury reached the allotted time for finishing their deliberations in Astana is unsound. If it has to be continued once everyone has left Kazakhstan, let it be!

Another point: I have heard from one deputy leader and two other observers that jury members referred several times to "what happened last year", when cheating allegations were also made. Several of them felt a need to be seen to be strict, because they wanted to protect the image of the IMO and didn't want any possibility that outsiders might suspect that people be allowed to get away with cheating.

The truth is that every year, there are "raised eyebrows" at the jury with regard to certain countries' results - but usually nothing can be done. Those who believed in DPRK guilt this year, thought the DPRK had "gone too far", been too "obvious" about it.

As I said, I don't know whether they cheated or not, but I think the above is the wrong attitude. They need to be given a proper chance to hear all the evidence and proper time to discuss it among themselves and respond to it. All students starting with the same lemma is not proof of cheating. But perhaps there is more evidence than that?

Anyway, could someone shed light on "what happened last year" and which country was involved? One observer told me that in 2009 a country was banned for five years, although I still don't know whether that is true or not, or which country it was, if true. I have heard from several sources that there was a big discussion about a cheating allegation last year, though.

PS - the organization of translation, especially into languages other than English, was also extremely poor. At some events, the English translator on the stage was obviously incapable and didn't even know her numbers, referring to the '21st' IMO and the '12' years since Kazakh independence. Often, such as at the equestrian show, she translated a paragraph of Russian or Kazakh into a short 'safe' banal sentence in English. Some guides assigned to teams from Spanish-speaking and French-speaking countries did not know a word of Spanish or French. If the North Koreans were hindered in responding to cheating allegations by not having good enough English, this is grossly unfair.

PPS There were also non-English speaking countries that seemed to have 1-2 marks taken off for answers to question 1 which seemed to me to be perfect, in some cases depriving students of honourable mentions.
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"glowinglight", thanks for your clear, distinct and explicite words!!!

Hopefully they will reach the people in charge of getting this annoying matter to a liveable last point ...

However: Who are the persons to be addressed???

And what measures can be taken (by the IMO-community?!?) in order to force them to do their "duty" with respect to the survival of IMO in its "traditional" form?
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Erken wrote:
Mr.Yong Chol Ham didn't accept the guilt and seemed quite perplexed, and due to his bad english he couldn't completely understand what he and his team were charged of, neither say something to justify himself.
glowinglight wrote:
The absurd position in Kazakhstan was that Baldauren was a very odd and peculiar place, with its managers doing things like preventing internet access on certain days.

Also, I would like to point out that the North Korean students also didn't have enough English to defend themselves. They couldn't get into the computer room on Sunday evening because there was a very silly rule set by the Baldauren staff that only one person per country could enter the computer room, yet their English ablities were too low to understand this. (I had to translate the organizers' words for them). Even after they[the students] found out that they were disqualified, South Korea's leader had to explain to them exactly why they were disqualified.
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However, I do not think that the DPRK results should immediately be reinstated and the matter closed.
Yes. Perhaps reinstating the scores is a very radical decision. But there definitely needs to be reconsideration over this issue.
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I've heard that there were north korean students who used some notation for their solution of problem 5 that was used in the official solution as well.
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In My Opinion, based on the above articles and comments, it is *hard* to believe that the disqualification procedures at the Jury meetings were sufficient.

1. Next year 2011, take a strong country, say "United States" (no offense). I'm sure that solutions of some students will be very similar with one of the official solutions. Even you may discover a series of same notations in the official solution. Hope you have an experience of grading hundreds of Math Olympiad papers. Anyway, some People will make "raising eyebrows". Disqualification of "United States" will be done.

2. This year 2010, take the organizing country "Kazakhstan" (no offense). Unlike recent years, their team suddenly ranked at 5th with three gold medals. This is not ridiculous. Usually, hosting countries try to improve their Math Olympiad Programs even before several years before the host year. The young students who are interested in Math Olympiads got more attention. Let's go back to IMO 2001. You may check out that Kazakhstan team also achieved the rank 5th. Anyway, People's "raising eyebrows" should disqualify Kazakhstan.

3. Let's go back to 2009, "one year ago". We recall that which countries are in the six-party talks (regarding the North Korean nuclear weapons program). You may check out the results in the official IMO site.

Now, our target is "Japan" (no offense). They suddenly ranked at the 2nd with *FIVE gold medals*. Some people shocked. To me, it was not surprising at all. I'm not disparaging their achievements. Among six participants, one had his 4-times IMO and two had their 2-nd IMO. Japan hosted IMO 2003 and the former IMO students made and make great efforts for their young talented students. However, "Raising eyebrows" for FIVE gold medals disqualify Japan.

4. Let's go back to IMO 2001 again and take my country "Republic of Korea" (no betrayal). That year 2001 was the first year when the problem proposed by ROK appeared on the actual IMO paper. Furthermore, two problems were chosen: Problem 1 and Problem 2. I want to mention that some people's "raising eyebrows" came when they found out that ALL students from ROK got the PERFECT SCORES both on Problem 1 and 2. Well, I perfectly understand their suspicion. Why not? However, You may check out that what ROK achieved on the other problems in IMO 2001.

Anyhow, some people raise their eyebrows. Disqualify "Republic of Korea". ROK's first IMO was in 1988 with total score 79 points. We hosted the IMO in 2000. Around that, many professors and former IMO members struggled to maintain strong + stable Math programs for young talented epsilons.

5. Okay, this year 2010 finally comes.

It is the time to take "DPRK". Who are willing to say *no offense* to the contestants?

I hope that any future IMO team, who earns raising eyebrows in the n-th IMO, MUST participate the next IMOs.
If the team continues to make shows, the day when they will be caught *with evidence* come, come, come eventually and surely.

Otherwise, "LET THEM PROVE THEMSELVES, PLEASE."

- Hojoo Lee
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I would also like to add that North Korea had 4 returning IMOers - one with two previous Golds(2008,2009), two with previous Golds(2009), and one with a bronze medal at 2009 (who was actually the 'ace' of the team but was very sick for the 2009 IMO). If their amazingly high performance at the IMO was a factor in their disqualification, this DQ needs to be reconsidered.
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nine43 wrote:
But I believe that the right thing to do is to restore North Korea's scores completely.
Unfortunately this is not possible: North Korea was disqualified on a jury meeting on the second day of contest, so they were not coordinated. I don't understand why the North Korean team didn't know about the disqualification on Sunday - three days after the decision was taken. I (a deputy leader) knew about the decision less than than an hour after it was taken, and I though about texting my team, but I didn't.
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So were they at least disqualified only for this year? Meaning are they gonna be participating in IMO 2011?
Yes, they were only disqualified for one year. The IMO regulations says, that if a team has participated in at least one of the last three IMOs you have to invite it again (or so I've heard).
Erken wrote:
During one of the final meetings, when the medal cut-offs were decided, team-leaders once again raised the question about the fairness of North Koreans' disqualification. Bangaldesh's team-leader said that after the vote he spoke to North Korean's team-leader. So according to what he said, mr.Yong Chol Ham didn't accept the guilt and seemed quite perplexed, and due to his bad english he couldn't completely understand what he and his team were charged of, neither say something to justify himself.
P.S: I am the guy mentioned above as a member of coordinators' team
It was the South Korean leader who raised the question. He had vote for disqualification but after reading the North Korea answers for problem 3, 5, and 6 he had changed his mind. He said that he had though that there was 90% "chance" that the North Koreans had cheated when he voted for disqualification, but now he though the chance was only 20%. The Bangaldesh leader suggested that the jury should vote to decide if the disqualification was a correct decision, but the chairman of the jury wouldn't allow this.
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x^n y^n=z^n wrote:
It was the South Korean leader how raised the question. He had vote for disqualification but after reading the North Korea answers for problem 3, 5, and 6 he had changed his mind. He said that he had though that there was 90% "chance" that the North Koreans had cheated when he voted for disqualification, but now he though the chance was only 20%. The Bangaldesh leader suggested that the jury should vote to decide if the disqualification was a correct decision, but the chairman of the jury wouldn't allow this.

On what grounds the chairman decided so? This "court martial", hasty disqualifying decision, and refusing to reconsider it on valid grounds - it feels very unfair. Is there a way to conduct an investigation post mortem, and to get to the bottom of this, for the sake of justice. It can't stay like this - I am not going into this with a premise that DPRK team did or did not cheat, I just say that none of the sides (both pro and contra) persuaded us with facts - we only have a case of witch hunt.
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