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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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Inequality
lgx57   0
4 minutes ago
Source: Own
$a,b>0$,$a^4+a^2b^2+b^4=k$.Find the min of $4a^2-ab+4b^2$.

$a,b>0$,$a^4-a^2b^2+b^4=k$.Find the min of $4a^2-ab+4b^2$.
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Inequality
Sadigly   2
N 13 minutes ago by sqing
Source: Azerbaijan Junior MO 2025 P5
For positive real numbers $x;y;z$ satisfying $0<x,y,z<2$, find the biggest value the following equation could acquire:


$$(2x-yz)(2y-zx)(2z-xy)$$
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Inspired by lgx57
sqing   3
N 18 minutes ago by sqing
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Let $ a,b>0, a^4+ab+b^4=10  $. Prove that
$$ \sqrt{10}\leq a^2+ab+b^2 \leq 6$$$$ 2\leq a^2-ab+b^2 \leq  \sqrt{10}$$$$  4\sqrt{10}\leq 4a^2+ab+4b^2 \leq18$$$$  12<4a^2-ab+4b^2 \leq14$$
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Interesting functional equation with geometry
User21837561   1
N 20 minutes ago by User21837561
Source: BMOSL 2025 G7
For an acute triangle $ABC$, let $O$ be the circumcentre, $H$ be the orthocentre, and $G$ be the centroid.
Let $f:\pi\rightarrow\mathbb R$ satisfy the following condition:
$f(A)+f(B)+f(C)=f(O)+f(G)+f(H)$
Prove that $f$ is constant.
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The best math formulas?
anticodon   14
N 6 hours ago by Soupboy0
my math teacher recently offhandedly mentioned in class that "the law of sines is probably in the top 10 of math formulas". This inspired me to make a top 10 list to see if he's right (imo he actually is...)

so I decided, it would be interesting to hear others' opinions on the top 10 and we can compile an overall list.

Attached=my list (sorry if you can't read my handwriting, I was too lazy to do latex, and my normal pencil handwriting looks better)

the formulas
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can someone help me learn how to fall asleep faster bc I'm nervous/excited bc nats is upcoming
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bluedino24   32
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I'm in 7th grade and thought it would be good to start preparing for the AMC 10. I'm not extremely good at math though.

What are some important topics I should study? Please comment below. Thanks! :D
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9 zeroes!.
ericheathclifffry   8
N Today at 2:15 AM by giratina3
i personally have no idea
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Facts About 2025!
Existing_Human1   262
N Today at 2:14 AM by giratina3
Hello AOPS,

As we enter the New Year, the most exciting part is figuring out the mathematical connections to the number we have now temporally entered

Here are some facts about 2025:
$$2025 = 45^2 = (20+25)(20+25)$$$$2025 = 1^3 + 2^3 +3^3 + 4^3 +5^3 +6^3 + 7^3 +8^3 +9^3 = (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9)^2 = {10 \choose 2}^2$$
If anyone has any more facts about 2025, enlighted the world with a new appreciation for the year


(I got some of the facts from this video)
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VivaanKam   23
N Today at 1:24 AM by K124659

I know I missed a lot of other competitions so if you didi one of the just choose "Other".
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MAP Goals
Antoinette14   3
N Today at 1:13 AM by Schintalpati
What's yall's MAP goals for this spring?
Mine's a 300 (trying to beat my brother's record) but since I'm at a 285 rn, 290+ is more reasonable.
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9 Have you participated in the MATHCOUNTS competition?
aadimathgenius9   53
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Have you participated in the MATHCOUNTS competition before?
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9 MathandAI4Girls!!!
Inaaya   13
N Yesterday at 10:28 PM by fossasor
How many problems did y'all solve this year?
I clowned and started the pset the week before :oops:
Though I think if i used the time wisely, I could have at least solved 11 of them
ended up with 9 :wallbash_red:
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9 What is the best way to learn math???
lovematch13   89
N Yesterday at 9:48 PM by Capybara7017
On the contrary, I'm also gonna try to send this to school admins. PLEASE DO NOT TROLL!!!!
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perpendicularity involving ex and incenter
Erken   20
N Wednesday at 7:48 PM by Baimukh
Source: Kazakhstan NO 2008 problem 2
Suppose that $ B_1$ is the midpoint of the arc $ AC$, containing $ B$, in the circumcircle of $ \triangle ABC$, and let $ I_b$ be the $ B$-excircle's center. Assume that the external angle bisector of $ \angle ABC$ intersects $ AC$ at $ B_2$. Prove that $ B_2I$ is perpendicular to $ B_1I_B$, where $ I$ is the incenter of $ \triangle ABC$.
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perpendicularity involving ex and incenter
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Suppose that $ B_1$ is the midpoint of the arc $ AC$, containing $ B$, in the circumcircle of $ \triangle ABC$, and let $ I_b$ be the $ B$-excircle's center. Assume that the external angle bisector of $ \angle ABC$ intersects $ AC$ at $ B_2$. Prove that $ B_2I$ is perpendicular to $ B_1I_B$, where $ I$ is the incenter of $ \triangle ABC$.
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Let $ I_{a}$ ,$ I_{c}$ be the $ A$, $ C$-excenters, respectively. It is clear that $ B$, $ B_{1}$ and $ B_{2}$ are collinear; therefore, the perpendicularity of $ B_{2}I$ and $ B_{1}I_{b}$ is equivalent with the fact that $ I$ is the orthocenter of triangle $ I_{b}B_{1}B_{2}$. Thus, it is suffice to show that $ IB \cdot BI_{b} = BB_{1} \cdot BB_{2}$ (the power of $ I$ wrt. the circumcircle of $ I_{b}B_{1}B_{2}$). But, on the other hand, we know that $ I$ is the orthocenter of $ I_{a}I_{b}I_{c}$ and so $ IB \cdot BI_{b} = BI_{a} \cdot BI_{c}$. In this case, the problem reduces to proving that $ BB_{1} \cdot BB_{2} = BI_{a} \cdot BI_{c}$. But this is just a consequence of $ (B_{2}, I_{a}, B, I_{c}) = - 1$ and $ B_{1}I_{a} = B_{1}I_{c}$ (since the circumcircle of $ ABC$ is the nine-point center of $ I_{a}I_{b}I_{c}$).
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$ BI$ cuts the circumcircle $ (O)$ of $ \triangle ABC$ again at $ Y$ and $ (Y)$ is a circle with center $ Y$ and radius $ YA = YC = YI = YI_b.$ $ B_2I_b$ cuts $ (Y)$ again at $ Q.$ $ \overline{B_2Q} \cdot \overline{B_2I_b} = \overline{B_2A} \cdot \overline{B_2C} = \overline{B_2B} \cdot \overline{B_2B_1}$ $ \Longrightarrow$ $ BB_1I_bQ$ is cyclic and the angle $ \angle B_1QI_b = \angle B_1BI_b$ is right. Since $ II_b$ is a diameter of $ (Y),$ $ Q \in (Y)$ and $ B_1Q \perp I_bQ,$ $ B_1Q$ goes through $ I$ $ \Longrightarrow$ $ I$ is orthocenter of $ \triangle B_1B_2I_b.$
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We use from vectors ($I_bB_1.B_2I=0$)
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We notice that if we prove $B_1I$ is perpendicular to $B_2I_b$ ,we are done.
Let $ \odot AIC \cap B_2I_b=L$.As $\odot AIC$ and $\odot ABC$ have $AC$ as the radical axis and as $B_1B_2,AC,B_2I_b $ are concurrent, then $B_1BLI_b$ is cyclic. So $ B_1L$ is $\perp$ to $B_2I_b$.So $ I$ sholud lie on $B_1L$ as $II_b$ is the diameter of $ \odot AIC$. Hence done.
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Let $\{I, X\}\in B_2I\cap\odot (AIC)$; from power of $B_2$ w.r.t. $\odot(ABC),\odot(AIC)$ we get (already proven $B_1-B-B_2$ are collinear): $B_2B\cdot B_2B_1=B_2A\cdot B_2C=B_2I\cdot B_2X$, hence $BB_1XI$ is cyclic, i.e. $B_2X\cap B_1X$. As $II_b$ is a diameter of $\odot (AIC)$, we infer $I_bX\bot IX$, meaning $B_1-X-I_b$ are collinear, and we are done.

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$ B_{1} $ is the midpoint of the arc $AC$ containing $B$, in the circumcircle of $\triangle ABC\cdot \cdot \cdot (1)$
$I_{b}$ is the $B$-excircle's center$\cdot \cdot \cdot (2) $
Angle bisector of $\angle ABC$ intersects $AC$ at $B_{2}\cdot \cdot \cdot (3)$
$ I  $ is the incenter of $\triangle ABC\cdot \cdot \cdot (4)$

By $(3)$ and $(4)$, $\angle IBB_{2}=\angle R\cdot \cdot \cdot (5)$
By $(1)$ and $(4)$,
\[\angle B_{1}BI\\=\angle IBC+\angle B_{1}BC
\\=\angle IBC+\angle B_{1}AC
\\=\angle IBC+(\angle R-\frac{1}{2}\angle AB_{1}C)
\\=\angle R+(\angle IBC-\frac{1}{2}\angle ABC)
\\=\angle R\cdot \cdot \cdot (6)\]
By $ (5) $ and $ (6) $, $  B $ and $B_{1},B_{2}$ are collinear$\cdot \cdot \cdot (7)$
By,$ (2) $ and $ (4) $, $\angle IAI_{b}=\angle ICI_{b}=\angle R\cdot \cdot \cdot (8)$
Let $ H $ be a point such that $ H $ is in $ B_{1}I $ and $ BH\bot HI_{b}. \cdot \cdot \cdot (9) $
By $ (6) $ and $(9)$, $B$ and $B_{1},I_{b},H$ are concyclic.$\cdot \cdot \cdot (10)$
By $ (8) $ and $(9)$, $A$ and $I,C,I_{b},H$ are concyclic.$\cdot \cdot \cdot (11)$
By $ (1) $ , $ A $ and $B,C,B_{1}$ are concyclic.$\cdot \cdot \cdot (12)$
By $ (10) $ and $(11),(12)$, $ I_{b} $ and $ H,BB_{1}\cap AC(=B_{2}) $ are collinear.$\cdot \cdot \cdot (13)$($\because$ $BB_{1}\cap AC\cap I_{b}H$ is a radical ceneter)
By $(9)$ and $(13) $, $B_{1}I\bot I_{b}B_{2}.\cdot \cdot \cdot (14)$
By $ (5) $ and $ (7) $, $ B_{1}B_{2}\bot BI_{b}.\cdot \cdot \cdot (15) $
By $ (14) $ and $ (15) $, I is orthocenter of $\triangle B_{1}B_{2}I_{b}$.
So $ B_{2}I\bot B_{1}I_{b} $.
$ (Q,E,D,) $
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Let $l$ be the line through $I$ perpendicular to $B_1I_B$. Define $P'=B_1I_B\cap l$. An easy angle chase shows $B_2,B,B_1$ are collinear on the external angle bisector of $B$ while $B_2,A,C$ are collinear by the definition. Now consider the circles $\Gamma_1=(ABC),\Gamma_2=(BB_1I),\Gamma_3=(AIC)$. Clearly $B_1\in\Gamma_1$ while $P'\in\Gamma_2$ since $\angle B_1P'I=\angle B_1BI=90^{\circ}$ and $P'\in\Gamma_3$ since $II_B$ is a diameter, where $I_B$ is the $B$-excenter, and $\angle IP'I_B=90^{\circ}$. It is easy to see that the Radical Axes of $\Gamma_1,\Gamma_2$ is $BB_1$, $\Gamma_2,\Gamma_3$ is $IP$, and $\Gamma_3,\Gamma_1$ is $AC$. By Radical Concurrence on $\Gamma_1,\Gamma_2,\Gamma_3$, these lines concur at $B_2$, which is enough to conclude that $B_2,I,P'$ are collinear, showing $P=P'$.
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Power of point!
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Complex numbers: vertices of triangle are $a^2,b^2,c^2$, and it's circumcircle is a unit circle. Then incenter is $-ab-bc-ca$, $B_2$ as intersection of lines $BB_1,AC$ has coordinates $\frac{(b^2+ac)ac-(a^2+c^2)b^2}{ac-b^2}$.
$\frac{B_2-I}{I_b-B_1}=\frac{(ab+bc+ca)(ac-b^2)+(b^2ac+a^2c^2-a^2b^2-b^2c^2)}{(ab+bc-2ac)(ac-b^2)}$
The conjugate of this number is $\frac{(a+b+c)(b^2-ac)+abc+b^3-bc^2-a^2b}{(c+a-2b)(b^2-ac)}$
Adding two last complex numbers we get $0$ (as you don't believe check here Click to reveal hidden text)
Hence $B_2I\perp IbB_1$
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Let $I_A,I_C$ be the $A$, $C-$ excenter, By Brokard's Theorem on Quadrilateral $I_CACI_A$ $\implies$ $I$ is the orthocenter of $\Delta B_2B_1I_B$
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Erken wrote:
Suppose that $ B_1$ is the midpoint of the arc $ AC$, containing $ B$, in the circumcircle of $ \triangle ABC$, and let $ I_b$ be the $ B$-excircle's center. Assume that the external angle bisector of $ \angle ABC$ intersects $ AC$ at $ B_2$. Prove that $ B_2I$ is perpendicular to $ B_1I_B$, where $ I$ is the incenter of $ \triangle ABC$.

Was this question bonus or $I_b$ and $I_B$ the same?
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It's well-known that under $\sqrt{ac}$ inversion, $\{I,I_B\},\{B_1,B_2\}$ swap, so we're done because then we must have$$BI\cdot BI_B = AB\cdot BC = BB_1\cdot BB_2,$$which means that $I$ is the orthocenter of $\triangle B_1B_2I_B.$ $\blacksquare$
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We will prove that infact $I$ is the orthocenter of $\Delta B_{1}B_{2}I_{B}$.
Now let $B_{1}I\cap I_{B}B_{2}=F$. By PoP
$B_{2}F\cdot B_{2}I_{B} =B_{2}A\cdot B_{2}C=B_{2}B\cdot B_{2}B_{1}$. Hence
quadrilateral $B_{1}BI_{B}F$ is cyclic.
Now let $IE\perp B_{1}I_{B}$, it is also seen that there exists a circle $(I_{B}CEIAF)$. Hence, as $\angle B_{1}FI_{B}=\angle B_{1}BI_{B}=90^{\circ} \Rightarrow BIEB_{1}$ is cyclic too. As $BB_{1}\cap FI_{B}=B_{2}$ Its consequence leads to the fact that $B-I-E$
$\blacksquare$
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Jupiter_is_BIG wrote:
Was this question bonus or $I_b$ and $I_B$ the same?
It was a bonus
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Notice that $\angle I_BBB_1 = 90$. (Indeed $\angle I_BBB_1 = \angle MBA + \angle B_1BA = \angle MB_1A + \angle B_1AC = 90$).

Denote by $P$ the intersection of line $B_2I_B$ with the circumcircle of $\triangle IAC$. It is immediate that \[B_2B \cdot B_2B_1 = B_2C \cdot B_2A = B_2P \cdot B_2I_B.\]Thus $B, B_1, P, I_B$ are concyclic. Now by the incenter/excenter lemma, we have that $II_B$ is the diameter of $(CAI_B)$. Using this, one obtains \[\angle I_BPI = 90 = \angle I_BBB_1 = \angle I_BPB_1.\]Therefore $P, I, B_1$ are collinear, and $I$ is the orthocenter of $B_2BI_B$, as desired. $\blacksquare$
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We prove that $I$ is the orthocenter of $\triangle I_BB_1B_2$. In particular, it is equivalent to show that \[BI\cdot BI_B = BB_1\cdot BB_2.\]Let $D$ and $M$ be the intersections of line $BI$ with $AC$ and $(ABC)$. Since $(BD;II_B) = -1$, $BI\cdot BI_B = BD\cdot BM$. Then, observe that $MB\perp B_1B_2$ and $B_2D\perp B_1M$, so in fact $D$ is the orthocenter of $\triangle MB_1B_2$. Hence, \[BB_1\cdot BB_2 = BD\cdot BM = BI\cdot BI_B\]as desired.
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cursed_tangent1434
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Well, it is known that the external angle bisector of $\triangle ABC$ is simply $\overline{BB_1}$. Now, notice that,
\[\measuredangle IAI_b=\measuredangle ICI_b=90^\circ\]and thus, $I$,$A$,$C$ and $I_b$ are concyclic. Now, let $B_3=(IBB_1)\cap \overline{B_1I_b}$. It is easy to see that since $\measuredangle IB_3B_1=\measuredangle IBB_1 90^\circ$, $B_3$ also lies on $(IAC)$. Now, let $B_3'=\overline{B_2I} \cap (IBB_1)$. Then,
\[B_2I\cdot B_2B_3' = B_2B \cdot B_2B_1 = B_2A\cdot B_2C\]Thus, $B_3'$ must also lie on $(IAC)$ which implies that $B_3'=B_3$ and indeed, $B_2I \perp B_1I_b$ as required.
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aaravdodhia
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[asy]
import olympiad; size(400);
draw(unitcircle);
pair B = dir(130), A = dir(200), C = dir(-20), M = midpoint(A--C), O = origin, B1 = intersectionpoint(O--(O+3*(O-M)),unitcircle);
pair I = incenter(A,B,C), L = intersectionpoint(B--(I+3*(I-B)),unitcircle), Ib = L + L-I;
pair exB = rotate(90,B) * I, B2 = extension(exB, B, A, C);
dot("$A$",A); dot("$B$",B); dot("$C$",C); dot("$I$",I); dot("$O$",O); dot("$M$",M); dot("$L$",L); dot("$I_B$",Ib); dot("$B_1$",B1); dot("$B_2$",B2);
draw(C--B2--B--C^^A--B--Ib^^Ib--B1--L^^B2--extension(B2,I,B1,Ib));
draw(B--B1);
// draw(incircle(A,B,C);
[/asy]

Let $D$ be the foot of angle bisector from $B$ to $AC$ and $M$ the midpoint of $AC$. Since $\angle B_2BI = 90 = \angle B_1BL$ (since $B1L$ is diameter), all $B$'s are collinear. Due to cyclic quad $BB_1MD$, $B_1B \cdot BB_2 = B_2B\cdot B_2B_1 - B_2B^2 = B_2D\cdot B_2M - B_2D^2 - B_2D^2 + BD^2$ (from right triangle $B_2BD$), equals $B_2D\cdot DM + BD^2 = BD\cdot DL + BD^2 = BD\cdot BL$ (from cyclic quad $B_2BML$). Also $\angle LAD = \angle LBA$ so from similar triangles $BL\cdot LD = LA^2 = IL^2 \implies BD\cdot BL = BL^2 - IL^2 = BI\cdot BI_B$. So in triangle $B_1B_2I_B$, we have $B_I\cdot BI_B = BB_1 \cdot BB_2$ so $I$ is the orthocenter and $B_2I \perp B_1I_B$.
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Let the antipode of $B_1$ wrt $(ABC)$ be $M$ and let the intersection of $(I_BAIC)$ and $\overline{B_1I_B}$ be $X$.Because $I_B,A,I,X,C$ are concyclic by incenter/excenter lemma we have that $\angle IXI_B = 90$ and because $M$ is the antipode of $B_1$ we have that $\angle I_BBB_1 = \angle MBB_1 = 90$,so $B_1,B,I,X$ are concyclic.Then it succifies to show that $B_2,I,X$ are collinear which is trivial by the radical axis concurrence lemma on $(ABB_1CM),(B_1BIX),(AIXCI_B)$,which shows that $\overline{B_1B},\overline{XI},\overline{AC}$ are concurrent at $B_2$.
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Let $ID \bot B_2I_b$ and $ID \cup B_2I_b=D$. By the trident lemma, $B_2D\cdot B_2I_b=B_2C\cdot B_2A=B_2B\cdot B_2B_1\Longrightarrow \angle B_1BI_b=\angle B_1DI_b=90^\circ=\angle IDI_b\Longrightarrow B_1-I-D$ lie on the same line, and $I$ is the orthocenter of $\triangle B_1B_2I_b$
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