3^m*2^n representation

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#1 h Feb 12, 2023, 2:16 PM • 1 Y

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Prove that every positive integer can be represented in the form $3^{m_1}\cdot 2^{n_1}+3^{m_2}\cdot 2^{n_2} + \dots + 3^{m_k}\cdot 2^{n_k}$ where $m_1 > m_2 > \dots > m_k \geq 0$ and $0 \leq n_1 < n_2 < \dots < n_k$ are integers.

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#2 h Feb 14, 2023, 11:50 AM

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Induct, If it is even add one to every $n_1$ in the representation of $\frac{n}{2}$ , if it is odd remove $3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ and add one to every $n_1$ in $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$ .

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#3 h Feb 14, 2023, 12:16 PM

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gghx wrote:

Induct, If it is even add one to every $n_1$ in the representation of $\frac{n}{2}$ , if it is odd remove $3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ and add one to every $n_1$ in $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$ .

What if there is a $3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ in the representation of $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$

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#4 h Feb 14, 2023, 1:39 PM

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This is a classic. I prove it by strong induction.

Let $n=2k$ and assume all numbers $1,2,\dots,2k-1$ have such a representation. Letting $k=\textstyle \sum_{1\le i\le k}3^{m_i}2^{n_i}$ , we get $2k= \textstyle \sum_{1\le i\le k}3^{m_i}2^{n_i+1}$ . Assume now $n$ is odd. If $n$ is a power of $3$ , we are done, so assume $a$ is such that $3^a<n<3^{a+1}$ . Note that $n-3^a$ is even, less than $3^a$ , and admits a form above. Adding $3^a$ to this, we complete the proof.

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#6 h Feb 14, 2023, 1:47 PM

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sman96 wrote:

gghx wrote:

Induct, If it is even add one to every $n_1$ in the representation of $\frac{n}{2}$ , if it is odd remove $3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ and add one to every $n_1$ in $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$ .

What if there is a $3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ in the representation of $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$

$3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}$ is strictly more than $\frac{n-3^{\lfloor \log_3(n)\rfloor}}{2}$ .

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#7 h Feb 20, 2023, 11:55 AM

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grupyorum wrote:

This is a classic. I prove it by strong induction.

Let $n=2k$ and assume all numbers $1,2,\dots,2k-1$ have such a representation. Letting $k=\textstyle \sum_{1\le i\le k}3^{m_i}2^{n_i}$ , we get $2k= \textstyle \sum_{1\le i\le k}3^{m_i}2^{n_i+1}$ . Assume now $n$ is odd. If $n$ is a power of $3$ , we are done, so assume $a$ is such that $3^a<n<3^{a+1}$ . Note that $n-3^a$ is even, less than $3^a$ , and admits a form above. Adding $3^a$ to this, we complete the proof.

How are you sure that theres no $m_i=a$ or $n_i=0$ in the representation of $n-3^a$
(I dont think that if you just take common when theres some $m_i$ or $n_i$ , it will work, at least i wasnt able to take common factors and make it work. So if you would please elaborate this section)

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#8 h Apr 15, 2023, 5:47 PM

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Strong induction on n

Base case is obvious

If $n=6k= 2^1 * 3^1 * k$ , then k can be represented as the given expression and we have to just add 1 to the power of 2's and 3's

For $n= 6k \pm 2 = 2(3k \pm1)$ , $3k \pm1$ can be expressed as the given expression, we just add 1 to the powers of 2 in the expression to get n

Same goes for n=6k+3

Now for $n=6k \pm 1$ we chose $3^m$ s.t. $3^{m+1} > n$ then, $z= n-3^m$ is even, so we can express $\frac{z}{2}$ as above and multiply by 2 and add $3^m$ to get n

I don't know if this is correct

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#9 h Jan 28, 2025, 2:09 PM

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Hey solve esay other way. This is very difficult.

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#10 h Apr 27, 2025, 4:42 PM

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grey_hat_hacker wrote:

Strong induction on n

Base case is obvious

If $n=6k= 2^1 * 3^1 * k$ , then k can be represented as the given expression and we have to just add 1 to the power of 2's and 3's

For $n= 6k \pm 2 = 2(3k \pm1)$ , $3k \pm1$ can be expressed as the given expression, we just add 1 to the powers of 2 in the expression to get n

Same goes for n=6k+3

Now for $n=6k \pm 1$ we chose $3^m$ s.t. $3^{m+1} > n$ then, $z= n-3^m$ is even, so we can express $\frac{z}{2}$ as above and multiply by 2 and add $3^m$ to get n

I don't know if this is correct

It is same with my solution.
but I don't know whether it is valid!

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