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k a March Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
Mar 2, 2025
March is the month for State MATHCOUNTS competitions! Kudos to everyone who participated in their local chapter competitions and best of luck to all going to State! Join us on March 11th for a Math Jam devoted to our favorite Chapter competition problems! Are you interested in training for MATHCOUNTS? Be sure to check out our AMC 8/MATHCOUNTS Basics and Advanced courses.

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Do you have plans this summer? There are so many options to fit your schedule and goals whether attending a summer camp or taking online classes, it can be a great break from the routine of the school year. Check out our summer courses at AoPS Online, or if you want a math or language arts class that doesn’t have homework, but is an enriching summer experience, our AoPS Virtual Campus summer camps may be just the ticket! We are expanding our locations for our AoPS Academies across the country with 15 locations so far and new campuses opening in Saratoga CA, Johns Creek GA, and the Upper West Side NY. Check out this page for summer camp information.

Be sure to mark your calendars for the following events:
[list][*]March 5th (Wednesday), 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, HCSSiM Math Jam 2025. Amber Verser, Assistant Director of the Hampshire College Summer Studies in Mathematics, will host an information session about HCSSiM, a summer program for high school students.
[*]March 6th (Thursday), 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Free Webinar on Math Competitions from elementary through high school. Join us for an enlightening session that demystifies the world of math competitions and helps you make informed decisions about your contest journey.
[*]March 11th (Tuesday), 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, 2025 MATHCOUNTS Chapter Discussion MATH JAM. AoPS instructors will discuss some of their favorite problems from the MATHCOUNTS Chapter Competition. All are welcome!
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jlacosta
Mar 2, 2025
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k i Peer-to-Peer Programs Forum
jwelsh   157
N Dec 11, 2023 by cw357
Many of our AoPS Community members share their knowledge with their peers in a variety of ways, ranging from creating mock contests to creating real contests to writing handouts to hosting sessions as part of our partnership with schoolhouse.world.

To facilitate students in these efforts, we have created a new Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. With the creation of this forum, we are starting a new process for those of you who want to advertise your efforts. These advertisements and ensuing discussions have been cluttering up some of the forums that were meant for other purposes, so we’re gathering these topics in one place. This also allows students to find new peer-to-peer learning opportunities without having to poke around all the other forums.

To announce your program, or to invite others to work with you on it, here’s what to do:

1) Post a new topic in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. This will be the discussion thread for your program.

2) Post a single brief post in this thread that links the discussion thread of your program in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Please note that we’ll move or delete any future advertisement posts that are outside the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, as well as any posts in this topic that are not brief announcements of new opportunities. In particular, this topic should not be used to discuss specific programs; those discussions should occur in topics in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Your post in this thread should have what you're sharing (class, session, tutoring, handout, math or coding game/other program) and a link to the thread in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, which should have more information (like where to find what you're sharing).
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jwelsh
Mar 15, 2021
cw357
Dec 11, 2023
k i C&P posting recs by mods
v_Enhance   0
Jun 12, 2020
The purpose of this post is to lay out a few suggestions about what kind of posts work well for the C&P forum. Except in a few cases these are mostly meant to be "suggestions based on historical trends" rather than firm hard rules; we may eventually replace this with an actual list of firm rules but that requires admin approval :) That said, if you post something in the "discouraged" category, you should not be totally surprised if it gets locked; they are discouraged exactly because past experience shows they tend to go badly.
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1. Program discussion: Allowed
If you have questions about specific camps or programs (e.g. which classes are good at X camp?), these questions fit well here. Many camps/programs have specific sub-forums too but we understand a lot of them are not active.
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2. Results discussion: Allowed
You can make threads about e.g. how you did on contests (including AMC), though on AMC day when there is a lot of discussion. Moderators and administrators may do a lot of thread-merging / forum-wrangling to keep things in one place.
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3. Reposting solutions or questions to past AMC/AIME/USAMO problems: Allowed
This forum contains a post for nearly every problem from AMC8, AMC10, AMC12, AIME, USAJMO, USAMO (and these links give you an index of all these posts). It is always permitted to post a full solution to any problem in its own thread (linked above), regardless of how old the problem is, and even if this solution is similar to one that has already been posted. We encourage this type of posting because it is helpful for the user to explain their solution in full to an audience, and for future users who want to see multiple approaches to a problem or even just the frequency distribution of common approaches. We do ask for some explanation; if you just post "the answer is (B); ez" then you are not adding anything useful.

You are also encouraged to post questions about a specific problem in the specific thread for that problem, or about previous user's solutions. It's almost always better to use the existing thread than to start a new one, to keep all the discussion in one place easily searchable for future visitors.
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4. Advice posts: Allowed, but read below first
You can use this forum to ask for advice about how to prepare for math competitions in general. But you should be aware that this question has been asked many many times. Before making a post, you are encouraged to look at the following:
[list]
[*] Stop looking for the right training: A generic post about advice that keeps getting stickied :)
[*] There is an enormous list of links on the Wiki of books / problems / etc for all levels.
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When you do post, we really encourage you to be as specific as possible in your question. Tell us about your background, what you've tried already, etc.

Actually, the absolute best way to get a helpful response is to take a few examples of problems that you tried to solve but couldn't, and explain what you tried on them / why you couldn't solve them. Here is a great example of a specific question.
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5. Publicity: use P2P forum instead
See https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c5h2489297_peertopeer_programs_forum.
Some exceptions have been allowed in the past, but these require approval from administrators. (I am not totally sure what the criteria is. I am not an administrator.)
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6. Mock contests: use Mock Contests forum instead
Mock contests should be posted in the dedicated forum instead:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c594864_aops_mock_contests
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7. AMC procedural questions: suggest to contact the AMC HQ instead
If you have a question like "how do I submit a change of venue form for the AIME" or "why is my name not on the qualifiers list even though I have a 300 index", you would be better off calling or emailing the AMC program to ask, they are the ones who can help you :)
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8. Discussion of random math problems: suggest to use MSM/HSM/HSO instead
If you are discussing a specific math problem that isn't from the AMC/AIME/USAMO, it's better to post these in Middle School Math, High School Math, High School Olympiads instead.
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9. Politics: suggest to use Round Table instead
There are important conversations to be had about things like gender diversity in math contests, etc., for sure. However, from experience we think that C&P is historically not a good place to have these conversations, as they go off the rails very quickly. We encourage you to use the Round Table instead, where it is much more clear that all posts need to be serious.
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10. MAA complaints: discouraged
We don't want to pretend that the MAA is perfect or that we agree with everything they do. However, we chose to discourage this sort of behavior because in practice most of the comments we see are not useful and some are frankly offensive.
[list] [*] If you just want to blow off steam, do it on your blog instead.
[*] When you have criticism, it should be reasoned, well-thought and constructive. What we mean by this is, for example, when the AOIME was announced, there was great outrage about potential cheating. Well, do you really think that this is something the organizers didn't think about too? Simply posting that "people will cheat and steal my USAMOO qualification, the MAA are idiots!" is not helpful as it is not bringing any new information to the table.
[*] Even if you do have reasoned, well-thought, constructive criticism, we think it is actually better to email it the MAA instead, rather than post it here. Experience shows that even polite, well-meaning suggestions posted in C&P are often derailed by less mature users who insist on complaining about everything.
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11. Memes and joke posts: discouraged
It's fine to make jokes or lighthearted posts every so often. But it should be done with discretion. Ideally, jokes should be done within a longer post that has other content. For example, in my response to one user's question about olympiad combinatorics, I used a silly picture of Sogiita Gunha, but it was done within a context of a much longer post where it was meant to actually make a point.

On the other hand, there are many threads which consist largely of posts whose only content is an attached meme with the word "MAA" in it. When done in excess like this, the jokes reflect poorly on the community, so we explicitly discourage them.
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12. Questions that no one can answer: discouraged
Examples of this: "will MIT ask for AOIME scores?", "what will the AIME 2021 cutoffs be (asked in 2020)", etc. Basically, if you ask a question on this forum, it's better if the question is something that a user can plausibly answer :)
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13. Blind speculation: discouraged
Along these lines, if you do see a question that you don't have an answer to, we discourage "blindly guessing" as it leads to spreading of baseless rumors. For example, if you see some user posting "why are there fewer qualifiers than usual this year?", you should not reply "the MAA must have been worried about online cheating so they took fewer people!!". Was sich überhaupt sagen lässt, lässt sich klar sagen; und wovon man nicht reden kann, darüber muss man schweigen.
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14. Discussion of cheating: strongly discouraged
If you have evidence or reasonable suspicion of cheating, please report this to your Competition Manager or to the AMC HQ; these forums cannot help you.
Otherwise, please avoid public discussion of cheating. That is: no discussion of methods of cheating, no speculation about how cheating affects cutoffs, and so on --- it is not helpful to anyone, and it creates a sour atmosphere. A longer explanation is given in Seriously, please stop discussing how to cheat.
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15. Cutoff jokes: never allowed
Whenever the cutoffs for any major contest are released, it is very obvious when they are official. In the past, this has been achieved by the numbers being posted on the official AMC website (here) or through a post from the AMCDirector account.

You must never post fake cutoffs, even as a joke. You should also refrain from posting cutoffs that you've heard of via email, etc., because it is better to wait for the obvious official announcement. A longer explanation is given in A Treatise on Cutoff Trolling.
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16. Meanness: never allowed
Being mean is worse than being immature and unproductive. If another user does something which you think is inappropriate, use the Report button to bring the post to moderator attention, or if you really must reply, do so in a way that is tactful and constructive rather than inflammatory.
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Finally, we remind you all to sit back and enjoy the problems. :D

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(EDIT 2024-09-13: AoPS has asked to me to add the following item.)

Advertising paid program or service: never allowed

Per the AoPS Terms of Service (rule 5h), general advertisements are not allowed.

While we do allow advertisements of official contests (at the MAA and MATHCOUNTS level) and those run by college students with at least one successful year, any and all advertisements of a paid service or program is not allowed and will be deleted.
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v_Enhance
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k i Stop looking for the "right" training
v_Enhance   50
N Oct 16, 2017 by blawho12
Source: Contest advice
EDIT 2019-02-01: https://blog.evanchen.cc/2019/01/31/math-contest-platitudes-v3/ is the updated version of this.

EDIT 2021-06-09: see also https://web.evanchen.cc/faq-contest.html.

Original 2013 post
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v_Enhance
Feb 15, 2013
blawho12
Oct 16, 2017
Set theory false statement
RenheMiResembleRice   4
N 5 minutes ago by RenheMiResembleRice
Prove or show the following statement does not hold
B−(A−B)=(A∪B)
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RenheMiResembleRice
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RenheMiResembleRice
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geometry party
pnf   1
N 11 minutes ago by Tsikaloudakis
pnf
Yesterday at 1:51 PM
Tsikaloudakis
11 minutes ago
chat gpt
fuv870   31
N 13 minutes ago by Quantum-Phantom
The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?
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fuv870
Yesterday at 9:51 PM
Quantum-Phantom
13 minutes ago
Exquality
giangtruong13   1
N 21 minutes ago by sqing
Let $x,y,z>0$ satisfy that: $(xz)^2+(yz)^2+1 \leq 3z$. Find the minimum value: $$P=\frac{1}{(x+1)^2}+\frac{8}{(y+3)^2}+\frac{4z^2}{(1+2z)^2}$$
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giangtruong13
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sqing
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AMC- IMO preparation
asyaela.   14
N 4 hours ago by NoSignOfTheta
I'm a ninth grader, and I recently attempted the AMC 12, getting 18 questions correct and leaving 7 empty. I started working on Olympiad math in November and currently dedicate about two hours per day to preparation. I'm feeling a bit demotivated, but if it's possible for me to reach IMO level, I'd be willing to put in more time. How realistic is it for me to get there, and how much study would it typically take?
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asyaela.
Yesterday at 7:14 PM
NoSignOfTheta
4 hours ago
[Registration Open] Mustang Math Tournament 2025
MustangMathTournament   26
N 5 hours ago by Rice_Farmer
Mustang Math is excited to announce that registration for our annual tournament, MMT 2025, is open! This year, we are bringing our tournament to 9 in-person locations, as well as online!

Locations include: Colorado, Norcal, Socal, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Nevada, Washington, and online. For registration and more information, check out https://mustangmath.com/competitions/mmt-2025.

MMT 2025 is a math tournament run by a group of 150+ mathematically experienced high school and college students who are dedicated to providing a high-quality and enjoyable contest for middle school students. Our tournament centers around teamwork and collaboration, incentivizing students to work with their teams not only to navigate the challenging and interesting problems of the tournament but also to develop strategies to master the unique rounds. This includes a logic puzzle round, a strategy-filled hexes round, a race-like gallop round, and our trademark ‘Mystery Mare’ round!

Awards:
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[*] Medals for the top teams
[*] Shirts, pins, stickers and certificates for all participants
[*] Additional awards provided by our wonderful sponsors!
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We are also holding a free MMT prep seminar from 3/15-3/16 to help students prepare for the upcoming tournament. Join the Google Classroom! https://classroom.google.com/c/NzQ5NDUyNDY2NjM1?cjc=7sogth4
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MustangMathTournament
Mar 8, 2025
Rice_Farmer
5 hours ago
AMC 8 discussion
Jaxman8   45
N 5 hours ago by Jello0211
Discuss the AMC 8 below!
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Jaxman8
Jan 29, 2025
Jello0211
5 hours ago
2025 Math and AI 4 Girls Competition: Win Up To $1,000!!!
audio-on   9
N 5 hours ago by angie.
Join the 2025 Math and AI 4 Girls Competition for a chance to win up to $1,000!

Hey Everyone, I'm pleased to announce the dates for the 2025 MA4G Competition are set!
Applications will open on March 22nd, 2025, and they will close on April 26th, 2025 (@ 11:59pm PST).

Applicants will have one month to fill out an application with prizes for the top 50 contestants & cash prizes for the top 20 contestants (including $1,000 for the winner!). More details below!

Eligibility:
The competition is free to enter, and open to middle school female students living in the US (5th-8th grade).
Award recipients are selected based on their aptitude, activities and aspirations in STEM.

Event dates:
Applications will open on March 22nd, 2025, and they will close on April 26th, 2025 (by 11:59pm PST)
Winners will be announced on June 28, 2025 during an online award ceremony.

Application requirements:
Complete a 12 question problem set on math and computer science/AI related topics
Write 2 short essays

Prizes:
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4th-10th: $100 Cash prize each
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Top 50 contestants: Over $50 worth of gadgets and stationary


Many thanks to our current and past sponsors and partners: Hudson River Trading, MATHCOUNTS, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Automation Anywhere, JP Morgan Chase, D.E. Shaw, and AI4ALL.

Math and AI 4 Girls is a nonprofit organization aiming to encourage young girls to develop an interest in math and AI by taking part in STEM competitions and activities at an early age. The organization will be hosting an inaugural Math and AI 4 Girls competition to identify talent and encourage long-term planning of academic and career goals in STEM.

Contact:
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For more information on the competition:
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More information on how to register will be posted on the website. If you have any questions, please ask here!


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audio-on
Jan 26, 2025
angie.
5 hours ago
is this really supposed to be #13???
hgmium   8
N 6 hours ago by RandomMathGuy500
https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/2022_AMC_10A_Problems/Problem_13

I managed to do all the other geo problems for that year besides this one
misplaced?
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hgmium
Yesterday at 11:10 PM
RandomMathGuy500
6 hours ago
Degree Six Polynomial's Roots
ksun48   42
N 6 hours ago by eg4334
Source: 2014 AIME I Problem 14
Let $m$ be the largest real solution to the equation \[\frac{3}{x-3}+\frac{5}{x-5}+\frac{17}{x-17}+\frac{19}{x-19}= x^2-11x-4.\] There are positive integers $a,b,c$ such that $m = a + \sqrt{b+\sqrt{c}}$. Find $a+b+c$.
42 replies
ksun48
Mar 14, 2014
eg4334
6 hours ago
MathPath 2025 form.
BraveCobra22aops   2
N Today at 1:53 AM by maxamc
I created a form for people going to MathPath 2025: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c136h3528968_mathpath_2025.
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BraveCobra22aops
Yesterday at 10:53 PM
maxamc
Today at 1:53 AM
2025 ROSS Program
scls140511   15
N Today at 12:23 AM by akliu
Since the application has ended, are we now free to discuss the problems and stats? How do you think this year's problems are?
15 replies
scls140511
Yesterday at 2:36 AM
akliu
Today at 12:23 AM
ABMC 2025 IN-PERSON Contest (April 5th)
ilovepizza2020   4
N Yesterday at 11:59 PM by mynameisjefff
The 9th annual Acton-Boxborough Math Competition (ABMC) is quickly approaching! This year's ABMC will be held in-person at RJ Grey Junior High School, Acton, MA, on April 5th, 2025. The competition includes individual rounds and a team round, in which teams of 2-4 students participate. Anyone in grade 8 or below is welcome! You must register to compete. For more information about registration and the tentative schedule, please consult our website: https://abmathcompetitions.org/2025-contest/.

We offer prizes not only to top competitors; several of our sponsor prizes and educational awards are raffled among all in-person participants. Additionally, there are separate prizes for the top-scoring elementary schoolers.


For more information, visit https://abmathcompetitions.org/, especially the 2025 Competition page.
For the mailing list, visit https://abmathcompetitions.org/contact/.

Best,
ABMC Coordinators
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ilovepizza2020
Yesterday at 11:32 PM
mynameisjefff
Yesterday at 11:59 PM
Tennessee Math Tournament (TMT) Online 2025
TennesseeMathTournament   29
N Yesterday at 10:14 PM by NashvilleSC
Hello everyone! We are excited to announce a new competition, the Tennessee Math Tournament, created by the Tennessee Math Coalition! Anyone can participate in the virtual competition for free.

The testing window is from March 22nd to April 5th, 2025. Virtual competitors may participate in the competition at any time during that window.

The virtual competition consists of three rounds: Individual, Bullet, and Team. The Individual Round is 60 minutes long and consists of 30 questions (AMC 10 level). The Bullet Round is 20 minutes long and consists of 80 questions (Mathcounts Chapter level). The Team Round is 30 minutes long and consists of 16 questions (AMC 12 level). Virtual competitors may compete in teams of four, or choose to not participate in the team round.

To register and see more information, click here!

If you have any questions, please email connect@tnmathcoalition.org or reply to this thread!
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TennesseeMathTournament
Mar 9, 2025
NashvilleSC
Yesterday at 10:14 PM
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?
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no it doesnt unless it was already a leaked problem on the internet. If you give it a IMO level question you made up, small chance it is going to get it right
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But I heard that ChatGPT-3.5 is better than 4.0 at solving math?
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Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
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chill bro
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
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I think the rise of AI will help America. With AI, anyone can solve maths problems and create amazing art and music, thus preventing the classist issue of the higher classes learning mathematics and art and instruments from disadvantaging everyone else.
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jkim0656
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scannose wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I think the rise of AI will help America. With AI, anyone can solve maths problems and create amazing art and music, thus preventing the classist issue of the higher classes learning mathematics and art and instruments from disadvantaging everyone else.

Fr! lol
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ohiorizzler1434
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By immediately attacking me for my opinions, you have revealed your ignorance of olympiad maths. While ChatGPT and other LLMs are clearly capable of solving simple linear or quadratic equations, and basic mathematical modeling problems are no problem for it, you are ignoring that this forum is under the name 'HIGH SCHOOL OLYMPIADS', not 'MIDDLE SCHOOL MATHS'. I'm just suggesting that AI can help many people without access to mathematical resources, a good way to learn and improve, which is in no way related to the elitist olympiad mathematics. In olympiad mathematics, AI has no purpose and should never be used.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
By immediately attacking me for my opinions, you have revealed your ignorance of olympiad maths. While ChatGPT and other LLMs are clearly capable of solving simple linear or quadratic equations, and basic mathematical modeling problems are no problem for it, you are ignoring that this forum is under the name 'HIGH SCHOOL OLYMPIADS', not 'MIDDLE SCHOOL MATHS'. I'm just suggesting that AI can help many people without access to mathematical resources, a good way to learn and improve, which is in no way related to the elitist olympiad mathematics. In olympiad mathematics, AI has no purpose and should never be used.
i disagree, i think limiting AI's potential to only lower level math will hinder its development anyhow.
Furthermore, just wait a few years until deepseek and gpts start acing amcs and amies :)
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ohiorizzler1434
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That is impossible! Imagine thinking that a language model is capable of solving mathematical problems involving complex thinking and creative methods. This is a preposterous statement that seeks to claim that AI can replace humans.
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IsaacShi
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I think google's alphago or something like that solved 4 out of 6 IMO problems 4 2024
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ohiorizzler1434
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Alphageo is not ChatGPT. Alphageo mixes a specialised AI to make geometric claims with a logical proof software. Furthermore, do you really believe that Alphageo is good? Remember that Alphageo is sponsored by a massive website company called Google, which means that it will likely have biased testing results that only make Google look good. It is very likely that Google chooses several IMO problems and pretends to solve them under Alphageo.

Also, where are you getting your statistics from? How could alphaGEO solve 4 out of 6 problems when there was only 1 geometry problem? Please inform yourself of the real situation before commenting on this issue.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
That is impossible! Imagine thinking that a language model is capable of solving mathematical problems involving complex thinking and creative methods. This is a preposterous statement that seeks to claim that AI can replace humans.

just wait and see
AI is going to take the world by storm in at most a year by now...
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i like how this thread has degenerated into a debate about AI capabilities :)
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@ohiorizzler1434 u really gotta chill.
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Schintalpati
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?

Yes in a way, but it codes them or bashes most out for AIME and AMC. For USAMO and IMO, it knows key ideas of solution, but only the very top AI's can solve some problems that level with 7/7 solutions. But soon enough, AI will be smart enough to do most IMO problems. Not yet though..
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Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.
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Schintalpati
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.

Nah it is most definitely gonna be able to solve IMO problems in the future :skull: especially when more of us aops people go into the AI field when we get older.
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Just because there are AoPSers working in AI does not mean they will make significant contributions to the development of AI, nor overcome the fundamental issues with ChatGPT.
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jkim0656
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Schintalpati wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.

Nah it is most definitely gonna be able to solve IMO problems in the future :skull: especially when more of us aops people go into the AI field when we get older.

So true :)
i mean look at people who said that we would never get to the moon...
everything seems impossible until someone does it :play_ball:
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ohiorizzler1434
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I did not talk about landing on the moon. The technology and concept behind rockets were well known for a long period before the moon landings.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I did not talk about landing on the moon. The technology and concept behind rockets were well known for a long period before the moon landings.
well the tech and concepts for AI is also well known now, even though it can't YET ace a IMO
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ohiorizzler1434
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I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.

i can't say i agree.
its true that LLMs cant do these things now, but the technological advancements of just AI over the past year is amazing, if u look at it from another perspective.
LLMs take in data and learn from it, like a human brain. They can analyze things from thousands of different perspectives and find one that works. It's hard to say that AI will NEVER be able to catch up to an IMO level participant, as a result.
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jkim0656
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we had a good debate, @ohiorizzler1434 :)
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AI is actually good at Math but it is often saying :"This problem cant be solved 'cuz it's wrong"
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ohiorizzler1434
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jkim0656 wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.

i can't say i agree.
its true that LLMs cant do these things now, but the technological advancements of just AI over the past year is amazing, if u look at it from another perspective.
LLMs take in data and learn from it, like a human brain. They can analyze things from thousands of different perspectives and find one that works. It's hard to say that AI will NEVER be able to catch up to an IMO level participant, as a result.

You are wrong. LLMs have an intrinsic capability to analyse language phrases so it is impossible for them to understand the rigorous first-order logic underlying mathematics, like set theory or geometry.
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?

Please lock this post. Very disappointing.
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I agree too. This discussion has led to nobody changing their opinions and improving their understanding of AIs.
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Quantum-Phantom
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
You are wrong. LLMs have an intrinsic capability to analyse language phrases so it is impossible for them to understand the rigorous first-order logic underlying mathematics, like set theory or geometry.

Have you heard of mathematics formalized tools, such as "LEAN"?
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ohiorizzler1434
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LEAN is completely different to LLMs. Please read the argument above and stop making irrelevant points.
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Quantum-Phantom
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Who gave you the confidence to make all these claims and refutes?
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