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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
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To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
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Bad titles:
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Good titles:
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- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


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Incircle of a triangle is tangent to (ABC)
amar_04   11
N 2 minutes ago by Nari_Tom
Source: XVII Sharygin Correspondence Round P18
Let $ABC$ be a scalene triangle, $AM$ be the median through $A$, and $\omega$ be the incircle. Let $\omega$ touch $BC$ at point $T$ and segment $AT$ meet $\omega$ for the second time at point $S$. Let $\delta$ be the triangle formed by lines $AM$ and $BC$ and the tangent to $\omega$ at $S$. Prove that the incircle of triangle $\delta$ is tangent to the circumcircle of triangle $ABC$.
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Inspired by hlminh
sqing   1
N 3 minutes ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $ a,b,c $ be real numbers such that $ a^2+b^2+c^2=1. $ Prove that$$ |a-kb|+|kb-c|+|c-a|\leq 2\sqrt {k^2+1}$$Where $ k\geq 1.$
$$ |a-kb|+|kb-c|+|c-a|\leq 2\sqrt {2}$$Where $0< k\leq 1.$
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Two very hard parallel
jayme   3
N 4 minutes ago by jayme
Source: own inspired by EGMO
Dear Mathlinkers,

1. ABC a triangle
2. D, E two point on the segment BC so that BD = DE= EC
3. M, N the midpoint of ED, AE
4. H the orthocenter of the acutangle triangle ADE
5. 1, 2 the circumcircle of the triangle DHM, EHN
6. P, Q the second point of intersection of 1 and BM, 2 and CN
7. U, V the second points of intersection of 2 and MN, PQ.

Prove : UV is parallel to PM.

Sincerely
Jean-Louis
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Inequality with n-gon sides
mihaig   3
N 4 minutes ago by mihaig
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If $a_1,a_2,\ldots, a_n~(n\geq3)$ are are the lengths of the sides of a $n-$gon such that
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n}{a_i}=1,$$then
$$(n-2)\left[\sum_{i=1}^{n}{\frac{a_i^2}{(1-a_i)^2}}-\frac n{(n-1)^2}\right]\geq(2n-1)\left(\sum_{i=1}^{n}{\frac{a_i}{1-a_i}}-\frac n{n-1}\right)^2.$$
When do we have equality?

(V. Cîrtoaje and L. Giugiuc, 2021)
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Advanced topics in Inequalities
va2010   23
N 6 minutes ago by Novmath
So a while ago, I compiled some tricks on inequalities. You are welcome to post solutions below!
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JBMO TST Bosnia and Herzegovina 2022 P3
Motion   7
N 11 minutes ago by cafer2861
Source: JBMO TST Bosnia and Herzegovina 2022
Let $ABC$ be an acute triangle. Tangents on the circumscribed circle of triangle $ABC$ at points $B$ and $C$ intersect at point $T$. Let $D$ and $E$ be a foot of the altitudes from $T$ onto $AB$ and $AC$ and let $M$ be the midpoint of $BC$. Prove:
A) Prove that $M$ is the orthocenter of the triangle $ADE$.
B) Prove that $TM$ cuts $DE$ in half.
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hard problem
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Let $a,b,c>0$ and $a+b+c=3$. Prove that:
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AGI-Origin Solves Full IMO 2020–2024 Benchmark Without Solver (30/30) beat Alpha
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N 31 minutes ago by mannshah1211
Hello IMO community,

I’m sharing here a full 30-problem solution set to all IMO problems from 2020 to 2024.

Standard AI: Prompt --> Symbolic Solver (SymPy, Geometry API, etc.)

Unlike AlphaGeometry or symbolic math tools that solve through direct symbolic computation, AGI-Origin operates via recursive symbolic cognition.

AGI-Origin:
Prompt --> Internal symbolic mapping --> Recursive contradiction/repair --> Structural reasoning --> Human-style proof

It builds human-readable logic paths by recursively tracing contradictions, repairing structure, and collapsing ambiguity — not by invoking any external symbolic solver.

These results were produced by a recursive symbolic cognition framework called AGI-Origin, designed to simulate semi-AGI through contradiction collapse, symbolic feedback, and recursion-based error repair.

These were solved without using any symbolic computation engine or solver.
Instead, the solutions were derived using a recursive symbolic framework called AGI-Origin, based on:
- Contradiction collapse
- Self-correcting recursion
- Symbolic anchoring and logical repair

Full PDF: [Upload to Dropbox/Google Drive/Notion or arXiv link when ready]

This effort surpasses AlphaGeometry’s previous 25/30 mark by covering:
- Algebra
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- Geometry
- Functional Equations

Each solution follows a rigorous logical path and is written in fully human-readable format — no machine code or symbolic solvers were used.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback on the solution structure, logic clarity, or symbolic methodology.

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density over modulo M
SomeGuy3335   3
N an hour ago by ja.
Let $M$ be a positive integer and let $\alpha$ be an irrational number. Show that for every integer $0\leq a < M$, there exists a positive integer $n$ such that $M \mid \lfloor{n \alpha}\rfloor-a$.
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Diophantine equation !
ComplexPhi   5
N 2 hours ago by aops.c.c.
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Solve in nonnegative integers the following equation :
$$21^x+4^y=z^2$$
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Combo problem
soryn   0
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The school A has m1 boys and m2 girls, and ,the school B has n1 boys and n2 girls. Each school is represented by one team formed by p students,boys and girls. If f(k) is the number of cases for which,the twice schools has,togheter k girls, fund f(k) and the valute of k, for which f(k) is maximum.
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Parity and sets
betongblander   7
N 2 hours ago by ihategeo_1969
Source: Brazil National Olympiad 2020 5 Level 3
Let $n$ and $k$ be positive integers with $k$ $\le$ $n$. In a group of $n$ people, each one or always
speak the truth or always lie. Arnaldo can ask questions for any of these people
provided these questions are of the type: “In set $A$, what is the parity of people who speak to
true? ”, where $A$ is a subset of size $ k$ of the set of $n$ people. The answer can only
be $even$ or $odd$.
a) For which values of $n$ and $k$ is it possible to determine which people speak the truth and
which people always lie?
b) What is the minimum number of questions required to determine which people
speak the truth and which people always lie, when that number is finite?
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Mount Inequality erupts on a sequence :o
GrantStar   88
N 2 hours ago by Nari_Tom
Source: 2023 IMO P4
Let $x_1,x_2,\dots,x_{2023}$ be pairwise different positive real numbers such that
\[a_n=\sqrt{(x_1+x_2+\dots+x_n)\left(\frac{1}{x_1}+\frac{1}{x_2}+\dots+\frac{1}{x_n}\right)}\]is an integer for every $n=1,2,\dots,2023.$ Prove that $a_{2023} \geqslant 3034.$
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GrantStar
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JBMO Shortlist 2022 N1
Lukaluce   8
N 2 hours ago by godchunguus
Source: JBMO Shortlist 2022
Determine all pairs $(k, n)$ of positive integers that satisfy
$$1! + 2! + ... + k! = 1 + 2 + ... + n.$$
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Lukaluce
Jun 26, 2023
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problem 5
termas   73
N Apr 14, 2025 by zuat.e
Source: IMO 2016
The equation
$$(x-1)(x-2)\cdots(x-2016)=(x-1)(x-2)\cdots (x-2016)$$is written on the board, with $2016$ linear factors on each side. What is the least possible value of $k$ for which it is possible to erase exactly $k$ of these $4032$ linear factors so that at least one factor remains on each side and the resulting equation has no real solutions?
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The equation
$$(x-1)(x-2)\cdots(x-2016)=(x-1)(x-2)\cdots (x-2016)$$is written on the board, with $2016$ linear factors on each side. What is the least possible value of $k$ for which it is possible to erase exactly $k$ of these $4032$ linear factors so that at least one factor remains on each side and the resulting equation has no real solutions?
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*wrong solution*
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Nop, is 2016
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Oh nvm claim may not be true..
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$k=2016.$ If one erases all the $(x-4k),(x-(4k+1))$ in LHS and $(x-(4k+2)),(x-(4k+3))$ in RHS, then it can be proved that the remaining equation doesn't have real roots.
It's clear that there is no root bigger than $2016$ or smaller than $1$. Suppose that there is a root $s$ in $(m,m+1)$ where $m$ is a positive integer. If $m\equiv 1,3\mod 4$, then one side would be less than zero while the other side wouldn't be. So $m\equiv 2,4\mod 4$.

Let's first solve the case $m\equiv 2\mod 4$. Define $f(x)=\frac{(x+1.5)(x-1.5)}{(x+0.5)(x-0.5)}$, then we have
$\prod_{i=0}^{503} f(s-4i-2.5)=1$If we let $-0.5< a=s-(m+0.5) < 0.5$, then
\[\prod_{i=-p}^{q}f(a-4i)=1\]where $p,q$ are non-negative integers (I'm too lazy to write down its exactly form).
However, we have that
\[\prod_{i=-p}^{-1} f(a-4i)=\prod_{i=1}^{p} f(a+4i) = \prod_{i=1}^{p} (1-\frac{2}{(a+4i)^2-0.25})\geq 1-\sum_{i=1}^{p} \frac{2}{(a+4i)^2-0.25}\]\[>1-\frac{1}{6}-\sum_{i=2}^{\infty}\frac{2}{(a+4i)^2-0.25}>1-\frac{1}{6}-\frac{1}{8}\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}i^{-2}=\frac{5}{6}-\frac{\pi ^2}{48}>\frac{1}{2}\]Similarly, $\prod_{i=1}^{q}f(a-4i)>\frac{1}{2}$. But $f(a)\geq 9$, so $\prod_{i=-p}^{q}f(a-4i)>\frac{9}{4}$, a contradiction.

In the case that $m\equiv 4$, we can rewrite the equation as
$\frac{(s-2)(s-2015)}{(s-1)(s-2016)}\prod_{i=-p}^{q}f(a-4i)=1$
But $s>4$, so $\frac{(s-2)(s-2015)}{(s-1)(s-2016)}>\frac{2\times 2013}{3\times 2014}$.
Hence, $\frac{(s-2)(s-2015)}{(s-1)(s-2016)}\prod_{i=-p}^{q}f(a-4i)>\frac{2\times 2013\times 9}{3\times 2014\times 4}>1$, also a contradiction.

Hope my solution is correct.....
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v_Enhance wrote:
I think the answer is indeed $k=2016$. Is this right? Seems to good to be true. :maybe:

Consider the $1008$ inequalities
\begin{align*}
	(x-1)(x-4) &< (x-2)(x-3) \\
	(x-5)(x-8) &< (x-6)(x-7) \\
	(x-9)(x-12) &< (x-10)(x-11) \\
	&\vdots \\
	(x-2013)(x-2016) &< (x-2014)(x-2015).
\end{align*}Notice that in all these inequalities, at most one of them has non-positive numbers in it, and we never have both zero. So it is OK to multiply them all together, and we get the conclusion. Thus we have a construction for $k =  2016$, which is clearly optimal since for $k < 2016$ the LHS and RHS must have two coinciding linear terms.

If one of them is non-positive, you can't multiply them together. Take -3 < -2 and 2 < 300.
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Indeed, I am idiot... I've deleted the obviously wrong solution. At least empirically I think the construction does indeed work, but the proof is certainly not the nonsense I wrote :)
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I think an estimate of "how bad the gaps between positive terms can get" makes your construction work; specifically, the only cases that trouble you are when 4k+2 <x <4k+3. (In all other cases either sign is different or all of the inequality terms you mentioned are positive.)

In such a case, we need a bound of something like
prod(i=1~2016/4) (4n-1)*(4n)/(4n-2)(4n+1) < 9.

It seems true (resembles wallis product?) and I think my estimate works, but not 100% confident.
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Yep, that's exactly my idea too. I'm still trying to work out the details... not pretty, which is disappointing.
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If x lies in the intervals (2,3) or (6,7) or (10,11) etc. we can perhaps change the inequalities to

(x-4)(x-5) / ((x-3)(x-6)) > 1
(x-8)(x-9) / ((x-7)(x-10)) > 1
...
and also
(x-1)(x-2016) < (x-2)(x-2015)
--> (x-1)(x-2016) / ((x-2)(x-2015)) > 1
Then we can multiply these all together.

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We want to prove (x-2)(x-3)(x-6)(x-7)...(x-2014)(x-2015) > (x-1)(x-4)(x-5)(x-8)...(x-2013)(x-2016) for all x

If x = 1, 4, 5, 8...2013, 2016, LHS > 0, RHS = 0
If x = 2, 3, 6, 7...2014, 2015, LHS = 0, RHS < 0

If x is in (1,2) or (3,4) or (5,6) etc. then LHS > 0, RHS < 0
If x is in (4,5) or (8,9) or (12, 13) etc. then multiply together (x-1)(x-4) < (x-2)(x-3) and (x-5)(x-8) < (x-6)(x-7) etc. as above in v_enhance's quote to obtain the desired result>

If x is in (2,3) or (6,7) or (10,11) etc. see above
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The construction 1, 4, 5, 8, 9, ..., 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2, 3, 6, 7, ..., 2014, 2015 works. You can use bounding to prove that the latter is always larger than the former (use $(x+1)(x+4) < (x+2)(x+3)$). Check for the intervals (- infinity, 1], [4k-2, 4k-1], [4k+1, 4k+2], and [2016, infinity).
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OK, here's an olympiad-style proof. The bounding everyone mentioned is very natural, it's mostly annoying to find a good way to write it up.

Consider the $1008$ inequalities
\begin{align*}
	(x-1)(x-4) &< (x-2)(x-3) \\
	(x-5)(x-8) &< (x-6)(x-7) \\
	(x-9)(x-12) &< (x-10)(x-11) \\
	&\vdots \\
	(x-2013)(x-2016) &< (x-2014)(x-2015).
\end{align*}Notice that in all these inequalities, at most one of them has non-positive numbers in it, and we never have both zero. If there is exactly one negative term among the $1008 \cdot 2 = 2016$ sides, it is on the left and we can multiply all together. Thus the only case that remains is if $x \in (4m-2, 4m-1)$ for some $m$, say the $m$th inequality. In that case, the two sides of that inequality differ by a factor of at least $9$.

Now we claim \[ \prod_{k \ge 0} \frac{(4k+2)(4k+3)}{(4k+1)(4k+4)} < e. \]To see this, note that it's equivalent to prove \[ \sum_{k \ge 0} \log \left( 1 + \frac{2}{(4k+1)(4k+4)} \right) < 1. \]To this end, we use the deep fact that $\log(1+t) \le t$, and thus it follows from \[ \sum_{k \ge 0} \frac{1}{(4k+1)(4k+4)} < \frac12  \]which one can obtain for example by noticing it's less than $\frac14\frac{\pi^2}{6}$.

This completes the proof, because then the factors being multiplied on by the positive inequalities to the left and right of our "bad" one are less than $e^2 < 9$, and we're okay.
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Mathpanda and jereme:
It's not that simple b/c when x is between 4k+2 and 4k+3, one of the inequalities have a different sign, you cannot multiply or divide.

Explanation of bound above:
Assume 4k+2 <x <4k+3.
We want to show (x-1)(x-4).. (x-2013)(x-2016) < (x-2)(x-3).. (x-2014)(x-2015), both being negative.

(x-4k-2)(x-4k-3)/(x-4k-1)(x-4k-4) is bounded below by 9. So we have (x-4k-2)(x-4k-3) <= 9* (x-4k-1)(x-4k-4).
It suffices to show that all the other terms don't contribute a factor of 9 into the negative values.
...and we have a proof of it above.
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qwerty414 wrote:
Mathpanda and jereme:
It's not that simple b/c when x is between 4k+2 and 4k+3, one of the inequalities have a different sign, you cannot multiply or divide.

Explanation of bound above:
Assume 4k+2 <x <4k+3.
We want to show (x-1)(x-4).. (x-2013)(x-2016) < (x-2)(x-3).. (x-2014)(x-2015), both being negative.

(x-4k-2)(x-4k-3)/(x-4k-1)(x-4k-4) is bounded below by 9. So we have (x-4k-2)(x-4k-3) <= 9* (x-4k-1)(x-4k-4).
It suffices to show that all the other terms don't contribute a factor of 9 into the negative values.
...and we have a proof of it above.

I can see where you are coming from, but I believed that I have adequately addressed the issue by altering the inequalities into a fractional form in my solution (where each inequality has positive LHS > 1)

Then we can multiply these together to form ((x-1)(x-4)(x-5)(x-8)...)) / ((x-2)(x-3)(x-6)...)) > 1 which, as the denominator of the LHS is negative, can be multiplied out to form the desired result.

The inequalities that I have used to deal with the 4k+2 and 4k+3 cases are different to those mentioned above in others' posts

Excuse me if I am being ignorant but it would be great if you could verify this for me to check if it is correct or to point out the error
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I have a question: what if this qurstion not purposed on 2016 but 20XX NOT divisible by 4?
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