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Hyperbolic tangent
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Consider the function below. Can someone explain to me why that is the correct answer and find the value of a?
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Inequality with real numbers
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Let a,b,c are real numbers. Prove that (a^3+b^3+c^3+3abc)^4+(a+b+c)^3(a+b-c)^3(-a+b+c)^3(a-b+c)^3>=0
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Let $ a,b,c\geq 0,(ab+c)(ac+b)\neq 0 $ and $ a+b+c=3 . $ Prove that
$$ \frac{1}{ab+c+k}+\frac{1}{ac+b+k} \geq\frac{2}{k+2} $$Where $ k\geq 0. $
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Interesting inequality
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Let $ a,b,c\geq 0,(ab+c)(ac+b)\neq 0 $ and $ a+b+c=3 . $ Prove that
$$ \frac{1}{ab+kc}+\frac{1}{ac+kb} \geq\frac{4}{3k} $$Where $ k\geq 3. $
$$ \frac{1}{ab+2c}+\frac{1}{ac+2b} \geq\frac{16}{25} $$$$ \frac{1}{ab+3c}+\frac{1}{ac+3b} \geq\frac{4}{9} $$$$ \frac{1}{ab+4c}+\frac{1}{ac+4b} \geq\frac{1}{3} $$

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Find all functions $f:\mathbb {R}^{+} \rightarrow \mathbb {R}^{+} $ such that for all positive real numbers $x,y:$

$$f(y)f(x+f(y))=f(x)f(xy)$$
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mfw $f(a)=f(b) \implies f(ax)=f(bx)$ (never seen this before)

The answer is constant functions only which clearly work. Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion.
Suppose that $f(a)=f(b)$. Then from $P(x,a)$ and $P(x,b)$ we obtain $f(ax)=f(bx)$, which holds for all $x \in \mathbb{R}^+$. Thus let $S$ denote the set of all $r \in \mathbb{R}^+$ such that $f(x)=f(rx)$ for all $x$. Clearly $1 \in S$, and $S$ is closed under multiplication and division. From $P(1,1)$ we obtain $f(1)=f(1+f(1))$, so $1 \neq 1+f(1) \in S$, and therefore we have arbitrarily small (positive) elements of $S$.
Now let $r \in S$ be arbitrary and compare $P(x,y)$ with $P(rx,y)$, which yields $f(x+f(y))=f(rx+f(y))$. Thus
$$\frac{rx+f(y)}{x+f(y)} \in S.$$For fixed $r<1$ and $f(y)$, by varying in $\mathbb{R}^+$ the above fraction spans the interval $(r,1)$. Since we can pick $r$ to be arbitrarily small it follows that all of $(0,1)$ is in $S$, so then $S=\mathbb{R}^+$ since $r \in S \implies 1/r \in S$, implying $S$ is constant. $\blacksquare$
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Solution. The only possible working functions are the constant ones which trivially work. We now proceed to show that these are the only solutions. Denote $P(x,y)$ as the assertion to the functional equation.

$P(1,x)$ give us that $f(f(x) + 1) = f(1)$. If $f$ is necessarily injective, then we have $f \equiv 0$ which is impossible over $\mathbb{R}^+$. Therefore there exists distinct $a,b$ for which $f(a) = f(b)$. $P(x,a)$ and $P(x,b)$ reveal there exists a $r$ for which $f(x) = f(rx)$ for $r = a/b$ with $a>b$.

Comparing $P(rx, 1)$ and $P(x,f(1))$ we get that
\[f(rx + f(1)) = f(x + f(1)) = f(rx + rf(1)) \implies f(x + f(1)) = f(x + rf(1))\]which means $f$ is eventually periodic with period $T \coloneqq f(1)(r - 1)$. Now compare $P(x,y)$ and $P(x,y+T)$ with large enough $y$ for periodicity to get
\[f(xy + yT) = f(xy).\]Setting $x = 1/y$ here would yield $f(yT+1) = f(1)$. This means $f$ is eventually constant for large enough domain values. Going back to the original equation set $x$ to be insanely huge. Then the RHS will be forced to be constant and the $f(x + f(y))$ term will be constant as well. Simplifying the equation, we would get $f$ constant on $\mathbb{R}^+$ as well. $\blacksquare$
@below fixed, thanks for pointing it out :)
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i dont understand any of that

Sorry to degrade HSO, but please stop postfarming. If you don’t understand, don’t be afraid to ask for a walkthrough on the solution.
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Denote the assertion with $P(x, y)$.

Claim: If $f(a) = f(b)$, then $f(ax) = f(bx)$ for all $x$.
Proof. Follows from $P(x, a)$ and $P(x, b)$. $\blacksquare$
Let $S$ be the set of reals $c$ such $f(x) = f(cx)$ for all $c$. Note that $S$ is closed under multiplication.
By $P(1, x)$ it follows that \[ f(1 + f(x)) = f(1) \]so $1 + f(x) \in S$. As such, $S$ contains arbitarily large elements.

Claim: $f$ is constant on $x \ge 1$
Proof. Fix $s \in S$. By $P(sx, y)$ it follows that \[ f(sx + f(y)) = f(x + f(y)) \]so
\[ \frac{sx + f(y)}{x + f(y)} \in S \]which has the image of interval $(1, s)$ as $x$ ranges. Taking arbitrarily large $s$ gives the result. $\blacksquare$
Then, by $P(N, x)$ for $N > \min\left(\frac{1}{x}, 1\right)$ gives that $f$ is constant for all reals. Furthermore, all constant $f$ work.
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proxima1681 wrote:
Comparing $P(rx, 1)$ and $P(x,f(1))$ we get that
\[f(rx + f(1)) = f(x + f(1)) = f(rx + rf(1)) \implies f(x + f(1)) = f(x + rf(1))\]which means $f$ periodic with period $T \coloneqq f(1)(r - 1)$

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This means $f$ is constant in $(1, \infty)$. But since $f$ is periodic as well, this implies $f$ must be constant on $\mathbb{R}^+$ as well. $\blacksquare$

I love your proof, but I don't think this particular step works. The first statement above says that $f$ is periodic, but only on $(f(1),\infty)$.

But you can very easily remedy the last step of the proof by looking at $P\left(x,\dfrac{1}{x}\right)$ to prove that it works for $x<1$ too.
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Let $f(1)=c$ and $P(x,y)$ be the assertion below $f(y)f(x+f(y))=f(xy)f(x)\quad\forall x,y\in\mathbb{R}^+$.
$$P(x+f(z),y)\implies  f(x+f(y)+f(z))=\frac{f(yx+yf(z))f(x+f(z))}{f(y)}\overset{P(x,z)}{=}\frac{f(yx+yf(z))f(x)f(xz)}{f(z)f(y)}\quad\forall x,y,z>0.\ (1)$$Switch $y,z$ of the equation $(1)$ we have $$f(xy)f(yx+yf(z))=f(xz)f(zx+zf(y))\quad\forall x,y,z>0.$$Let $y=1$ then $\frac{f(x)^2f(xz)}{f(z)}\overset{P(x,z)}{=}f(x)f(x+f(z))=f(xz)f(zx+zc)\quad\forall x,z>0$
And so $$f(x)^2=f(zx+zc)f(z)\quad\forall x,z>0.$$$P(x,1)\implies f(x)^2=cf(x+c)\quad \forall x>0$ then $f(zx+zc)f(z)=cf(x+c)\quad\forall x,z>0$.
Let $z=\frac{1}{x+c}$ we have $f(x)=f(1/x)\quad\forall x>c$.
Now let $x>c$, $$P(x,x),P(x,1/x)\implies f(x^2)=c\quad\forall x>c.$$And so $f(x)=c\quad\forall x>c^2$.
In $P(x,y)$, let some postive $x_0>\max\{1,c^2\}$ then $P(x_0,y)\implies f(y)=f(x_0y)=\cdots=f(x_0^ny)\quad\forall y>0$.
Fix any $0<y\le c^2$ then there exist $n\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $x_0^ny>c^2$ and so $f(y)=c$. Thus the only solution is $$\boxed{f\equiv c\quad\forall x>0} \ \blacksquare.$$
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The only solution is $c\in \mathbb R^+$. Let's assume it is not constant.

Let $f(a) = f(b)$, $b>a>0$.

Then comparing $P(x,a)$ and $P(x,b)$,
\[ f(ax) = f(bx) \implies f(x) = f(rx), r=\frac{b}{a} > 1. \]
Now, $P(x,y)$ and $P(rx,y) \implies f(x + f(y)) = f(rx+f(y))$.

Now $k = \dfrac{rx + f(y)}{x + f(y)} \iff x = \dfrac{f(y)(k-1)}{r-k}$.

$f(x) = f(kx)$ for all $k \in (1,r)$. Now we can increase $r \rightarrow r^2$ and we can increase indefinitely to cover the whole $\mathbb R^+$.

Also, $f(x) = f(kx) = f(k^2x) = \cdots \implies f$ is a constant, contradiction.

Then $f$ is injective.

$P(x,x) \implies f(x+f(x)) = f(x^2) \implies f(x) = x^2 - x$. But putting $x = 1$, we get $f(1) = 1^2 - 1 = 0$, contradiction again, and we are done. :yoda:
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P(1,y) gives:f(y)=f(y+f(1))
P(x,y) and P(x,y+f(1)) gives:f(xy)= f(xy +xf(1))
Now, take x=(b-a)/f(1) and y=af(1)/(b-a), for b>a.
So,f(a)=f(b), for all b>a.
Hence, f(x)=c.
One can check that this works.
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Call the assertion $P(x,y)$.
We claim that the only solution is $f\equiv c$, where $c$ is a positive constant, which clearly works.

Note that $P(1,x)$ gives $f(1+f(x))=f(1)$. Hence, the function is clearly not injective.
Suppose there are distinct $x_1, x_2$ such that $f(x_1)=f(x_2)$. The above equations warrants the existence of at least few such pairs. Comparing $P(x,x_1)$ and $P(x,x_2)$ gives us that $f(xx_1)=f(xx_2)$. It follows that if $r=\frac{x_1}{x_2}\ne1$, we have $f(x)=f(rx)$ for every $x>0$. Let $S$ be the set of all positive real numbers $r$ for which $f(x)=f(rx)$. WLOG assume $r>1$.

Claim: If $r\in S$, then $[1,r]\in S$.
Proof. Compare $P(x,y)$ and $P(rx,y)$ to get that $f(rx+f(y))=f(x+f(y))$. So, for any $x,y$ we have $\frac{rx+f(y)}{x+f(y)}\in S$. Let $1<s<r$ be a positive real. Then, we can set $x=\frac{(s-1)f(y)}{r-s}$ so that $\frac{rx+f(y)}{x+f(y)}=s$. The claim follows. $\blacksquare$

Note that since $f(x)=f(rx)=f(r^2x)=\cdots=f(r^nx)$ for any positive integer $n$, we have that $r^n\in S$ and hence $[1,r^n]\in S$ for any $n$. Since $n$ can be arbitrarily large, we have that $S=[1,\infty)$. So, for any $x, y$ with $0<x\leq y$, we have $\frac yx\in S$ which means $f(x)=f(y)$. It follows that the function is constant function. $\blacksquare$
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The answer is $f(x) = \boxed{c}$, which works. Denote the given assertion as $P(x,y)$.

It is clear that all constant $f$ work, so we will suppose otherwise henceforth.


Claim: $f$ is injective

Proof: Suppose otherwise; that is, suppose there exist distinct $a$ and $b$ such that $f(a)=f(b)$. Comparing $P(x,a)$ and $P(x,b)$ yields $f(ax)=f(bx)$, so we have $f(x) = f(rx)$, where $r = \tfrac{a}{b}$. Then, comparing $P(x,y)$ and $P(rx,y)$ yields

\[f(x+f(y)) = f(rx+f(y)).\]
Therefore, $f$ is periodic with period $p = |(r-1)x|$. Comparing $P(x,y)$ and $P(x+p,y)$ yields

\[f(xy) = f(xy+yp),\]
which means we can vary $y$ to make the period arbitrary. In other words, $f$ is constant, a contradiction. $\square$


If $f$ is injective, plugging in $P(1,1)$ yields

\[f(f(1)+1) = f(1) \implies f(1) = 0,\]
a contradiction. Hence, no nonconstant $f$ exists, leaving only our solution set.
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We claim $f$ constant, which works.

Suppose $f(a)=f(b)$. Then $P(x,a),P(x,b)$ give $f(xa)=f(xb)$.

Let $1+f(1)=c>1$. Then $P(1,1)$ gives $f(1)=f(c)$. Thus $f(x)=f(cx)$.

Now $P(x,y),P(cx,y)$ for fixed $y$ give $f(x+f(y))=f(cx+f(y))=f(x+\tfrac{f(y)}c)$. Thus $f$ is periodic with period $p=f(y)(1-\tfrac1c)$ for $x>\tfrac{f(y)}c=r$.

Now $P(x,y),P(x+p,y)$ for $x>r$ give $f(xy)=f(xy+py)$ so for any $1\le k<1+\tfrac pr$ we have $f(kx)=f(x)$. Now if $a<b$ then $f(a)=f(a^{\frac{t-1}t}b^{\frac 1t})=f(a^{\frac{t-2}t}b^{\frac 2t})=\dots=f(b)$ for $t$ large enough so that $(\tfrac ba)^{\frac 1t}<1+\tfrac pr$. Thus $f$ is constant.
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The only solution is $f\equiv k$ for some constant $k$. These work. Now we show they are the only solutions. Suppose $f$ wasn't constant.

Claim: $f$ is injective.
Proof: Suppose $f(a) = f(b)$ for some $a <  b$.

$P(x,a)$ compared with $P(x,b)$ gives $f(ax) = f(bx)$, so $f(x) = f(cx) \forall x > 0$, where $c = \frac ba >1$.

$P(x,y)$ compared with $P(cx, y)$ gives\[ f(x + f(y)) = f(cx + f(y))\]Thus, $f(c(x + f(y))) = f(cx + f(y))$, so $f(cx + f(y)) = f(cx + f(y) + f(y)(c-1))$.

Thus, for any $x > f(y)$, we have $f(x) = f(x + f(y) (c-1))$.

Now, fix constants $r,d$ so that for all $x \ge r$, we have $f(x) = f(x + d)$ (possible by above).

For $y \ge r$, $P(x,y)$ compared with $P(x, y + d)$ gives that $f(xy) = f(xy + xd)$.

For any $x \le 1$, varying $y \ge r$ gives that $f(y) = f(y + xd) \forall y \ge r$. Iterating this gives that $f(y) = f(y + nxd) \forall y \ge r$ and integers $n >0$, which clearly implies $f$ is eventually constant. Suppose it is eventually constant at $k$ and $f(x) = k\forall x \ge R$.

If we set $y \ge R$, we have $k f(x + k) = k f(x) \implies f(x) = f(x+k)$. Iterating gives that $f(x) = f(x + nk)$ for any positive integer $n$. Thus, for any $x > 0$, setting $nk > N$ gives that $f(x) = f(x + nk) = k$, so $f$ is constant, a contradiction. $\square$

Now setting $x = 1$ gives $f(f(y) + 1) = f(y)$, so $f(y) + 1 = y$, contradiction for $y \le 1$.
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Let $P(x, y)$ denote the assertion:
\[P(1, y)\]\[f(1+f(y))=f(1)\]\[P(x, 1+f(y))\]\[f(1)f(x+f(1))=f(1)f(x(1+f(y)))\]\[P(x, 1)\]\[f(1)f(x+f(1))=f(1)f(x)\]Thus $f(x)=f(kx)$ when $k=1+f(y)$
\[P(kx, y)\]\[f(y)f(kx+f(y))=f(y)f((xy))\]Thus $f(x)=f(kx+f(y))$ thus let $f(y)=c$, $f(x)=f(kx)$ and $f(x)=f(kx+c)$ so $f(kx)=f(kx+c)$.
Thus $f(x)=f(x+c)$ for any $x$.
\[P(x+c, y)\]\[f(y)f(x+f(y))=f(y)f(xy+yc)\]Thus $f(xy+yc)=f(xy)$ for any $x, y$ so we get that $x$ must be constant.
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Ilikeminecraft
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Take $x = y = 1,$ and this tells us that $f$ is not injective. Let $a = 1, b = 1 + f(1).$ Taking $(x, a), (x, b),$ we get that $f(ax) = f(bx).$ Let $S = \{\alpha\mid f(\alpha x) = f(x) \forall x \in \mathbb R_{> 0}\}.$ It is known 1 isn't the only element in $S$. Take $(\alpha x, y), (x, y)$ which gives $f(\alpha x + f(y)) = \frac{f(x)f(xy)}{f(y)} = f(x + f(y)) = f(\alpha x + \alpha f(y)).$ Hence, $f(x) = f(x + c) \forall x \in \mathbb R_{>0}$ and some fixed $c.$ Taking $(x, y)$ and $(x + c, y),$ we get $f(xy + cy) = f(xy),$ which implies $f(x) = f(x + c) \forall x, c \in \mathbb R_{>0}.$ This implies $f$ is constant.
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The answer is all constant functions, which all clearly work.

Suppose that $f(a)=f(b)$. Comparing $P(x,a)$ and $P(x,b)$ gives that $f(xa)=f(xb)$. So define the set $S$ such that if $r\in S$, then $f(rx)=f(x)$ for all $x$. Then $1\in S$.

Note that $P(1,y)$ gives that $f$ is not injective, so there is some $r\in S$ with $r>1$ (this must exist if $S\ne\{1\}$ because if $r<1$ is in $S$, so is $1/r$). Then $S$ contains arbitrarily large elements (powers of $r$). Now comparing $P(af(1),1)$ and $P(saf(1),1)$ where $s\in S$ gives $f(af(1)+f(1))=f(saf(1)+f(1))$. So
\[\frac{saf(1)+f(1)}{af(1)+f(1)}=\frac{sa+1}{a+1}=s-\frac{s-1}{a+1}\in S.\]This achieves everything between $1$ and $s$ exclusive, then reciprocating gives the other ones, so $S=\mathbb{R}^+$. So $f$ is just constant.
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