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#1 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:07 PM • 2 Y

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https://maa.edvistas.com/eduview/report.aspx?view=1561&mode=6
who were the 2 usamo perfects

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#3 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:19 PM

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looks like the whole "usamts doesn't affect cutoffs" was a whole bunch of bs. at least according to evan chen's statistics of 2024, there were only four more oly participants than last year, despite the +50 increase from usamts. (you get the idea, these numbers apparently aren't very precise)

please don’t take this the wrong way. I support the usamts pathway, if it's reworked a bit; I’m just saying that usamts (most likely) did affect cutoffs.

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#4 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:22 PM

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looking at official statistics it looks like they took 19 less people...

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#5 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:25 PM

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looking at official maa statistics from 2024, usajmo had 24 less participants in 2025 and usamo had 5 more
@below oops

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#6 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:27 PM

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BS2012 wrote:

looking at official maa statistics from 2024, usajmo had 24 less participants in 2025 and usamo had 5 less

no usamo had 5 more

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#7 h Apr 23, 2025, 10:29 PM • 2 Y

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BS2012 wrote:

who were the 2 usamo perfects

Math4Life2020

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#8 h Apr 23, 2025, 11:02 PM

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rhydon516 wrote:

looks like the whole "usamts doesn't affect cutoffs" was a whole bunch of bs. at least according to evan chen's statistics of 2024, there were only four more oly participants than last year, despite the +50 increase from usamts. (you get the idea, these numbers apparently aren't very precise)

yeah, that explains why the cutoffs were so high this year

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#9 h Apr 23, 2025, 11:05 PM

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rhydon516 wrote:

looks like the whole "usamts doesn't affect cutoffs" was a whole bunch of bs. at least according to evan chen's statistics of 2024, there were only four more oly participants than last year, despite the +50 increase from usamts. (you get the idea, these numbers apparently aren't very precise)

where’s the +50 increase coming from? as far as I know there was less than 10 people that qualified through usamts but not amc.

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#11 h Apr 23, 2025, 11:23 PM • 5 Y

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womp womp

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#12 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:03 AM

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um ok? i’m still right?

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#13 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:06 AM

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no you are not

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#14 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:07 AM

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rhydon516 wrote:

looks like the whole "usamts doesn't affect cutoffs" was a whole bunch of bs. at least according to evan chen's statistics of 2024, there were only four more oly participants than last year, despite the +50 increase from usamts. (you get the idea, these numbers apparently aren't very precise)

yup exactly!!!

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#15 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:09 AM

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llddmmtt1 wrote:

no you are not

where’s your data bro :sob: you telling me you know 50 people that made usamo through usamts but not amc

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#16 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:10 AM • 1 Y

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jellybeanzzz wrote:

llddmmtt1 wrote:

no you are not

where’s your data bro :sob: you telling me you know 50 people that made usamo through usamts but not amc

i am falsifying your claim that at most 10 people made through usamts and not amc

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#17 h Apr 24, 2025, 12:10 AM

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llddmmtt1 wrote:

i am falsifying your claim that at most 10 people made through usamts and not amc

so where’s your data/proof?

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#48 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:00 PM • 2 Y

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joebub56 wrote:

I would argue mts is more fair than amc. Why is a multiple choice test being factored into oly qualification?? And honestly cheating isnt even a big issue because of the way mts is structured. The whole point is for the competition to be more open and not under time pressure

This has to be ragebait...

AMC is multiple choice and Scantron graded because there are tens of thousands of people taking AMC ever year. Nobody is grading thousands of proofs. And as said before, USAMTS is discontinuous over a month and allows all resources whereas olympiad is 4.5 hours so it is terrible at discerning olympiad skill

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#49 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:04 PM

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blueprimes wrote:

joebub56 wrote:

I would argue mts is more fair than amc. Why is a multiple choice test being factored into oly qualification?? And honestly cheating isnt even a big issue because of the way mts is structured. The whole point is for the competition to be more open and not under time pressure

This has to be ragebait...

AMC is multiple choice and Scantron graded because there are tens of thousands of people taking AMC ever year. Nobody is grading thousands of proofs. And as said before, USAMTS is discontinuous over a month and allows all resources whereas olympiad is 4.5 hours so it is terrible at discerning olympiad skill

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This doesn’t disprove my point? At the end of the day a multiple choice test is a horrible indicator of olympiad skill. Also its not like mts directly determines oly qualification either theres still aime

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#50 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:06 PM • 1 Y

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joebub56 wrote:

I would argue mts is more fair than amc. Why is a multiple choice test being factored into oly qualification?? And honestly cheating isnt even a big issue because of the way mts is structured. The whole point is for the competition to be more open and not under time pressure

Why is a proof test that allows AI and coding factored into oly qualification?

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#51 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:17 PM

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ethan2011 wrote:

joebub56 wrote:

I would argue mts is more fair than amc. Why is a multiple choice test being factored into oly qualification?? And honestly cheating isnt even a big issue because of the way mts is structured. The whole point is for the competition to be more open and not under time pressure

Why is a proof test that allows AI and coding factored into oly qualification?

its not like ai and coding can do the whole thing for you. and even if you solve a problem with the help of ai, thats still better than doing multiple choice

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#52 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Honestly I felt that anyone capable of solving all the problems would do it in a few hours. (For example I spent ~15 hours across all 3 contests which was 15 questions + writeups.) So at least for me, the “you get 1 month” thing doesn’t make it different from oly time constraints.

Also several things
1. AI is not allowed
2. The hard step of solving problems with code isn’t the coding itself, it’s proving that your code is rigorous. Most problems this year weren’t solvable with code either.

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#53 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:21 PM

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jellybeanzzz wrote:

Honestly I felt that anyone capable of solving all the problems would do it in a few hours. (For example I spent ~15 hours across all 3 contests which was 15 questions + writeups.) So at least for me, the “you get 1 month” thing doesn’t make it different from oly time constraints.

Also several things
1. AI is not allowed
2. The hard step of solving problems with code isn’t the coding itself, it’s proving that your code is rigorous. Most problems this year weren’t solvable with code either.

ai is allowed but only for certain things. like you cant just give it the whole problem but you can ask things like "useful formulas for combinatorics". and thats all ai is good for anyways so yeah its not even a big deal

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#54 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:32 PM

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joebub56 wrote:

jellybeanzzz wrote:

Honestly I felt that anyone capable of solving all the problems would do it in a few hours. (For example I spent ~15 hours across all 3 contests which was 15 questions + writeups.) So at least for me, the “you get 1 month” thing doesn’t make it different from oly time constraints.

Also several things
1. AI is not allowed
2. The hard step of solving problems with code isn’t the coding itself, it’s proving that your code is rigorous. Most problems this year weren’t solvable with code either.

ai is allowed but only for certain things. like you cant just give it the whole problem but you can ask things like "useful formulas for combinatorics". and thats all ai is good for anyways so yeah its not even a big deal

you can use AI and they won't notice

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#55 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:35 PM

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ethan2011 wrote:

you can use AI and they won't notice

They noticed actually! They banned dozens of people in just the first round. That’s dozens more bans than AMC cheaters got!

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#56 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:40 PM

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jellybeanzzz wrote:

ethan2011 wrote:

you can use AI and they won't notice

They noticed actually! They banned dozens of people in just the first round. That’s dozens more bans than AMC cheaters got!

Makes a very cheatable contest
Bans some of the many cheaters
Many cheaters still remain
SEE! WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU!!! ah argument
Also AMC cheaters also get mass banned bro

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#57 h Apr 24, 2025, 9:40 PM

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also who said that the only way to cheat on usamts is to use ai

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#58 h Apr 24, 2025, 10:27 PM • 8 Y

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Anyone who thinks USAMTS cannot be cheated is extremely wrong. People can easily ask AI for a solution, then put it in their own words, so that it is undetectable. Contestants can also just groupsolve or share answers. Something needs to be done about this, as this allows for people who would've gotten a terrible score on the amc (like 50) to easily qualify for AIME.

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#59 h Apr 24, 2025, 10:52 PM

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We will see about it next year. I bet the number of people who attend USAMTA will increase significantly.

Look at the leaderboard: https://www.usamts.org/leaderboard/. 6 people got full points last year, and this year, it was 54.

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#60 h Apr 24, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Well yeah obviously because it's the most widespread information in all of jmo qualification threads at this point

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#61 h Apr 24, 2025, 11:13 PM

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bwu_2022 wrote:

We will see about it next year. I bet the number of people who attend USAMTA will increase significantly.

Look at the leaderboard: https://www.usamts.org/leaderboard/. 6 people got full points, and this year, it was 54.

i would like to point out i got full last year and 71 this year :skull:

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#62 h Apr 24, 2025, 11:32 PM

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bwu_2022 wrote:

We will see about it next year. I bet the number of people who attend USAMTA will increase significantly.

Look at the leaderboard: https://www.usamts.org/leaderboard/. 6 people got full points, and this year, it was 54.

What is USAMTA?

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