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Let $ a,b,c>0 $ and $ a+b+c\geq 3abc . $ Prove that
$$a^2+b^2+c^2+1\geq \frac{4}{3}(ab+bc+ca) $$
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2025 USAMO Problems
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Can someone post the 2025 USAMO problems?

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Prove that \(D, P, Q\) are collinear and that \(PF, QE, DI\) are concurrent.
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IMO ShortList 2001, number theory problem 4
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Let $p \geq 5$ be a prime number. Prove that there exists an integer $a$ with $1 \leq a \leq p-2$ such that neither $a^{p-1}-1$ nor $(a+1)^{p-1}-1$ is divisible by $p^2$.
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Divisibility of a triple
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Do there exist natural numbers $a, b$ and $c$ such that $a^2+b^2+c^2$ is divisible by $2013(ab+bc+ca)$?

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Do there exist natural numbers $a, b$ and $c$ such that $a^2+b^2+c^2$ is divisible by $2013(ab+bc+ca)$?

Proposed by Mahan Malihi
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One can prove that $\frac{a^{2}+b^{2}+c^{2}}{ab+bc+ca}$ is never divisible by 3.
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Assume $a,b,c$ do not have some common divisor and write \[ (2013k+2)(a^2+b^2+c^2) = 2013k \cdot (a+b+c)^2. \] Since $2013k + 2 \equiv 2 \pmod{3}$, there is a prime $p \equiv 2 \pmod{3}$ with $v_p(2013k+2)$ odd (in particular, $p \mid 2013k+2$).

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Claim: $p \neq 2$.
Let us assume on the contrary that $v_2(2013k+2)$ is odd (in particular, $k$ is even). Remark that since $a,b,c$ are not all even, $v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2) \le 1$. Furthermore, \[ v_2(a+b+c) = 0 \iff v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2)=0. \] Now we consider two cases.
  • Case 1: $v_2(k) \ge 2$. Then $v_2(2013k+2)=1$, $v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2) \le 1$. Therefore \[ v_2(k) + 2v_2(a+b+c) \ge 2 \ge v_2(2013k+2) + v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2) \] but equality cannot occur since the relations \[ v_2(a+b+c) = 0 \quad \text{and} \quad v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2) = 1 \] cannot hold simultaneously.
  • Case 2: $v_2(k) = 1$. Then $v_2(2013k+2) > 1$ and is odd. Now \[ v_2(2013k+2) + v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2) = 1 + 2v_2(a+b+c). \] Considering mod 2, we see $v_2(a^2+b^2+c^2)$ must be even, so it is zero; consequently $v_2(a+b+c) = 0$ as well and we obtain $1 < v_2(2013k+2) = 1$.
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Now for the interesting part. Remark $p \mid a+b+c$ and $p \mid a^2+b^2+c^2$. Without loss of generality $b \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p}$, so that \[ a^2+b^2+(a+b)^2 \equiv 0 \pmod{p} \implies a^2+ab+b^2 \equiv 0 \pmod{p}. \] Then if $x = ab^{-1}$, we get that $x^2+x+1 \equiv 0 \pmod{p}$. But the LHS is the third cyclotomic polynomial, so either $p=3$ or $3 \mid p-1$, but neither is the case.

Therefore, such a triple $(a,b,c)$ does not exist.
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Let $a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = k(ab + ac + bc)$. Looking at this as a quadratic in $c$, we have $c^2 - c(ka + kb) + (a^2 + b^2 - kab) = 0$. Thus we can vieta-jump from a solution $(a,b,c)$ to $\left (a,b, \frac{a^2 + b^2 - kab}{c} \right )$. Thus we can WLOG $c \le \sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$ and $a \le b \le c$ (just take the minimum solution) unless $c = ka + kb$. We'll deal with that case in a bit.
Now note that:

\begin{eqnarray*} \frac{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{ab + ac + bc} & \le  &  \frac{2a^2 + 2b^2}{ab + ac + bc} \\
& \le & \frac{2a^2 + 2b^2}{ab + a^2 + b^2} \\
& \le & 2 \end{eqnarray*}

So obviously in this case $a^2 + b^2 + c^2$ is not divisible by $2013(ab + ac + bc)$. Now suppose $c = ka + kb$. We have:

\begin{eqnarray*} \frac{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{ab + ac + bc} & = & \frac{a^2 + b^2 + k^2(a+b)^2}{ab + k(a+b)^2} \\
& = & k + \frac{a^2 + b^2 - kab}{ab + k(a+b)^2} \\
& = & k \end{eqnarray*}

due to $a^2 + b^2 - kab = 0$ as well. Thus it suffices to show $a^2 + b^2 = kab$ has no solutions for $k = 2013$. However, to do this just vieta jump again to get the minimum solution has $a=b$ and thus $k=2$. Therefore in fact if $(ab+ac+bc)|(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)$, then $a^2 + b^2 + c^2$ is either double $ab + ac + bc$ or equal to it which shows the result.

EDIT : oops I forgot that $c$ can be greater than $ka + kb$ darn... disregard this solution.
Apparently $\frac{a^2 + b^2+c^2}{ab + ac + bc} =1,2,5,10,14$ based on a program. I think some trickier vieta jumping can make this solution work.
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@dinoboy, I did almost exactly as you did but I got stuck at this point.
dinoboy wrote:
Thus we can vieta-jump from a solution $(a,b,c)$ to $\left (a,b, \frac{a^2 + b^2 - kab}{c} \right )$.
What happens if $a^2+b^2 < kab$? It happens for $(a, b, c) = (3, 5, 41)$.
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Indeed, dinoboy's solution claims that $ab + bc + ca \mid a^2 + b^2 + c^2 \implies k=2$, but this is false for many triples.
evan@ArchAir ~/Downloads
$ python
Python 2.7.4 (default, Apr  6 2013, 19:20:36) 
[GCC 4.8.0] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import itertools
>>> for a,b,c in itertools.product(range(1,100), repeat=3):
...     m = a*a + b*b + c*c
...     n = a*b + b*c + c*a
...     if m % n != 0: continue
...     if m/n > 2:
...             print a,b,c
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2 3 71
2 5 71
2 71 3
2 71 5
3 2 71
3 5 41
3 41 5
3 71 2
5 2 71
5 3 41
5 41 3
5 71 2
6 10 82
6 82 10
10 6 82
10 82 6
41 3 5
41 5 3
71 2 3
71 2 5
71 3 2
71 5 2
82 6 10
82 10 6
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Ok, so I messed up. darn. However, one thing I find that is it appears if $k > 2$ then usually $c = ka + kb + 1$ in the minimum solution (. Can anybody prove this? As this would lead to a solution.

Or better, if somebody could prove apluscactus's claim that would be nice.
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The solution proposed by V_ENhance prouves my claim : just replace 2013 by any multiple of 3. This was my solution to.
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But the problem is that his solution is incomplete...

Also, one thing to note is that $v_3 \left ( \frac{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{ab + ac + bc} \right ) = 1$ is possible if you remove the restriction it must be an integer (just see $a=1, b = 8, c = 88$) so arguments looking purely at the $3$-adic evalution fail.
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This is similar to v_enhance's solutions.

First note that if $p$ divides 2 of $a,b,c$, the $p$ divides the last one.
So we let $a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = k(ab+bc+ac)$, where $k$ is a multiple of 3.
Assume $gcd(a, b, c) = 1$.
This rearranges as $a^2 - a\left(k(b+c)\right) + b^2-kbc+c^2 = 0$.
So the discriminant of the quadratic is

$(k^2-4)b^2 + (2k^2+4k)bc + (k^2-4)c^2 = (k+2)\left((k-2)b^2 + 2kbc + (k-2)c^2\right)$.
Since $k+2 \equiv 2  \pmod{3}$, there exists a prime $p$ dividing $k+2$ with odd multiplicity.

Distinguish 2 cases:
Case 1: $p$ is odd.

Then $p \mid \left((k-2)b^2 + 2kbc + (k-2)c^2\right)$, and since $p \mid k+2$,
\[ (k-2)b^2 + 2kbc + (k-2)c^2 \equiv -4b^2-4bc-4c^2  \pmod{p} \]

So $p \mid b^2+bc+c^2 \mid b^3-c^3$. Since $p \equiv 2  \pmod{3}$, all residues $x^3  \pmod{p}$ are distinct, so $p \mid b-c$.
If $p \mid b$ and $p \mid c$, then we can divide $a, b, c$ by $p$ and get a smaller triple.
Otherwise, $\upsilon_p(b^2+bc+c^2) = \upsilon_p(b^3-c^3) - \upsilon_p(b-c) = \upsilon_p(b-c) + \upsilon_p(3) -\upsilon_p(b-c) = 0$, by the Lifting Exponent Lemma. So this case is impossible.

Case 2: $p = 2$.
Since we know that the multiplicity of 2 in $(k+2)$ is odd, we can write $k = j\cdot 2^{2m+1} - 2$, where $j$ is odd and $m \ge 0$.

Assume $m = 0$. Then clearly $4 \vert k$. But going back to the beginning, we get that $4 \mid a^2+b^2+c^2$, so $a,b,c$ are all even, contradiction.
Now let $m \ge 1$.
Then note that
\[ ((k-2)b^2+2kbc+(k-2)c^2) \]
\[= (j\cdot 2^{2m+1} - 4)b^2+(j\cdot 2^{2m+2} - 4)bc+(j\cdot 2^{2m+1} - 4)c^2 \]
\[= 4((j\cdot 2^{2m-1} - 1)b^2 +  (j\cdot 2^{2m} - 1)bc  + (j\cdot 2^{2m-1} - 1)c^2) \]

So we still need $2 \mid \left((j\cdot 2^{2m-1} - 1)b^2 +  (j\cdot 2^{2m} - 1)bc  + (j\cdot 2^{2m-1}-1)c^2\right)$. But the coefficients of $b^2, bc, c^2$ are all odd, so it is easy to check that it is even iff $b, c$ are both even. Then $a, b, c$ are all even again, contradiction.

Remark: In fact this shows that $3 \not\vert k$ and $\upsilon_2(k+2) \not\equiv 1 \pmod{2}$.
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$11|a^2+b^2+c^2\Rightarrow 11|\gcd(a,b,c)$ ???!!! :maybe:
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Finished my solution. During chemistry I unfortunately did not realize that $v_2$ was in fact sufficient. By the way, thanks to whichever moderator fixed a typo for me :)
siddigss wrote:
$11|a^2+b^2+c^2\Rightarrow 11|\gcd(a,b,c)$ ???!!! :maybe:
Sorry, what is this referring to? Anyway, it is true in the context of this problem (namely, $11 \mid a+b+c$ and $11 \mid a^2+b^2+c^2$ implies $a,b,c \equiv 0 \pmod{11}$. See the last paragraph of my solution.)
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v_Enhance wrote:
Sorry, what is this referring to? Anyway, it is true in the context of this problem (namely, $11 \mid a+b+c$ and $11 \mid a^2+b^2+c^2$ implies $a,b,c \equiv 0 \pmod{11}$. See the last paragraph of my solution.)

I exactly meant what I've written $11|a^2+b^2+c^2$ implies $a,b,c\equiv0(\mod 11) $ even if $11\not|a+b+c$ -using it the problem answer is NO , because there is no 3 coprimes such that the sum of their squares is divisible by 11 ( $11|2013$ ) -( but we didn't use $ab+bc+ca|a^2+b^2+c^2$ !! )

thanks v_Enhance :)
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siddigss wrote:
I exactly meant what I've written $11|a^2+b^2+c^2$ implies $a,b,c\equiv0(\mod 11) $ even if $11\not|a+b+c$
Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking a question about the solution above yours. But I don't think this claim is true: $11 \mid 3^2 + 1^2 + 1^2$, for instance.
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Yeah yeah sorry :blush: :blush: unforgivable mistake .. Thanks :)
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