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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
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Sep 9, 2019
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


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Examples:
Bad titles:
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- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
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- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


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Iran TST Starter
M11100111001Y1R   7
N 9 minutes ago by trangbui
Source: Iran TST 2025 Test 1 Problem 1
Let \( a_n \) be a sequence of positive real numbers such that for every \( n > 2025 \), we have:
\[
a_n = \max_{1 \leq i \leq 2025} a_{n-i} - \min_{1 \leq i \leq 2025} a_{n-i}
\]Prove that there exists a natural number \( M \) such that for all \( n > M \), the following holds:
\[
a_n < \frac{1}{1404}
\]
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M11100111001Y1R
May 27, 2025
trangbui
9 minutes ago
diophantine with factorials and exponents
skellyrah   2
N an hour ago by maromex
find all positive integers $a,b,c$ such that $$ a! + 5^b = c^3 $$
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maromex
an hour ago
A scalene triangle and nine point circle
ariopro1387   2
N an hour ago by Mysteriouxxx
Source: Iran Team selection test 2025 - P12
In a scalene triangle $ABC$, points $Y$ and $X$ lie on $AC$ and $BC$ respectively such that $BC \perp XY$. Points $Z$ and $T$ are the reflections of $X$ and $Y$ with respect to the midpoints of sides $BC$ and $AC$, respectively. Point $P$ lies on segment $ZT$ such that the circumcenter of triangle $XZP$ coincides with the circumcenter of triangle $ABC$.
Prove that the nine-point circle of triangle $ABC$ passes through the midpoint of segment $XP$.
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ariopro1387
May 27, 2025
Mysteriouxxx
an hour ago
My journey to IMO
MTA_2024   6
N 2 hours ago by Fly_into_the_sky
Note to moderators: I had no idea if this is the ideal forum for this or not, feel free to move it wherever you want ;)

Hi everyone,
I am a random 14 years old 9th grader, national olympiad winner, and silver medalist in the francophone olympiad of maths (junior section) Click here to see the test in itself.
While on paper, this might seem like a solid background (and tbh it kinda is); but I only have one problem rn: an extreme lack of preparation (You'll understand very soon just keep reading :D ).
You see, when the francophone olympiad, the national olympiad and the international kangaroo ended (and they where in the span of 4 days!!!) I've told myself :"aight, enough math, take a break till summer" (and btw, summer starts rh in July and ends in October) and from then I didn't seriously study maths.
That was until yesterday, (see, none of our senior's year students could go because the bachelor's degree exam and the IMO's dates coincide). So they replaced them with us, junior students. And suddenly, with no previous warning, I found myself at the very bottom of the IMO list of participants. And it's been months since I last "seriously" studied maths.
I'm really looking forward to this incredible journey, and potentially winning a medal :laugh: . But regardless of my results I know it'll be a fantastic journey with this very large and kind community.
Any advices or help is more than welcome <3 .Thank yall for helping me reach and surpass a ton of my goals.
Sincerely.
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MTA_2024
5 hours ago
Fly_into_the_sky
2 hours ago
Infinite number of sets with an intersection property
Drytime   7
N 3 hours ago by HHGB
Source: Romania TST 2013 Test 2 Problem 4
Let $k$ be a positive integer larger than $1$. Build an infinite set $\mathcal{A}$ of subsets of $\mathbb{N}$ having the following properties:

(a) any $k$ distinct sets of $\mathcal{A}$ have exactly one common element;
(b) any $k+1$ distinct sets of $\mathcal{A}$ have void intersection.
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Drytime
Apr 26, 2013
HHGB
3 hours ago
m^m+ n^n=k^k
parmenides51   2
N 3 hours ago by Assassino9931
Source: 2021 Ukraine NMO 11.6
Are there natural numbers $(m,n,k)$ that satisfy the equation $m^m+ n^n=k^k$ ?
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parmenides51
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Find the value
sqing   14
N 3 hours ago by Yiyj
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Let $f(x)=a_6x^6+a_5x^5+a_4x^4+a_3x^3+a_2x^2+a_1x+a_0,$ $a_i\in\{-1,1\} ,i=0,1,2,\cdots,6 $ and $f(2)=-53 .$ Find the value of $f(1).$
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sqing
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Yiyj
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A circle tangent to AB,AC with center J!
Noob_at_math_69_level   6
N 4 hours ago by awesomeming327.
Source: DGO 2023 Team P2
Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with a circle $\Omega$ with center $J$ tangent to sides $AC,AB$ at $E,F$ respectively. Suppose the circle with diameter $AJ$ intersects the circumcircle of $\triangle{ABC}$ again at $T.$ $T'$ is the reflection of $T$ over $AJ$. Suppose points $X,Y$ lie on $\Omega$ such that $EX,FY$ are parallel to $BC$. Prove that: The intersection of $BX,CY$ lie on the circumcircle of $\triangle{BT'C}.$

Proposed by Dtong08math & many authors
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Noob_at_math_69_level
Dec 18, 2023
awesomeming327.
4 hours ago
Easy functional equation
fattypiggy123   15
N 5 hours ago by ariopro1387
Source: Singapore Mathematical Olympiad 2014 Problem 2
Find all functions from the reals to the reals satisfying
\[f(xf(y) + x) = xy + f(x)\]
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fattypiggy123
Jul 5, 2014
ariopro1387
5 hours ago
Very odd geo
Royal_mhyasd   1
N 6 hours ago by Royal_mhyasd
Source: own (i think)
Let $\triangle ABC$ be an acute triangle with $AC>AB>BC$ and let $H$ be its orthocenter. Let $P$ be a point on the perpendicular bisector of $AH$ such that $\angle APH=2(\angle ABC - \angle ACB)$ and $P$ and $C$ are on different sides of $AB$, $Q$ a point on the perpendicular bisector of $BH$ such that $\angle BQH = 2(\angle ACB-\angle BAC)$ and $R$ a point on the perpendicular bisector of $CH$ such that $\angle CRH=2(\angle ABC - \angle BAC)$ and $Q,R$ lie on the opposite side of $BC$ w.r.t $A$. Prove that $P,Q$ and $R$ are collinear.
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Royal_mhyasd
6 hours ago
Royal_mhyasd
6 hours ago
Calculating sum of the numbers
Sadigly   5
N 6 hours ago by aokmh3n2i2rt
Source: Azerbaijan Junior MO 2025 P4
A $3\times3$ square is filled with numbers $1;2;3...;9$.The numbers inside four $2\times2$ squares is summed,and arranged in an increasing order. Is it possible to obtain the following sequences as a result of this operation?

$\text{a)}$ $24,24,25,25$

$\text{b)}$ $20,23,26,29$
5 replies
Sadigly
May 9, 2025
aokmh3n2i2rt
6 hours ago
Swap to the symmedian
Noob_at_math_69_level   7
N 6 hours ago by awesomeming327.
Source: DGO 2023 Team P1
Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with points $U,V$ lie on the perpendicular bisector of $BC$ such that $B,U,V,C$ lie on a circle. Suppose $UD,UE,UF$ are perpendicular to sides $BC,AC,AB$ at points $D,E,F.$ The tangent lines from points $E,F$ to the circumcircle of $\triangle{DEF}$ intersects at point $S.$ Prove that: $AV,DS$ are parallel.

Proposed by Paramizo Dicrominique
7 replies
Noob_at_math_69_level
Dec 18, 2023
awesomeming327.
6 hours ago
Find (AB * CD) / (AC * BD) & prove orthogonality of circles
Maverick   15
N Today at 5:38 PM by Ilikeminecraft
Source: IMO 1993, Day 1, Problem 2
Let $A$, $B$, $C$, $D$ be four points in the plane, with $C$ and $D$ on the same side of the line $AB$, such that $AC \cdot BD = AD \cdot BC$ and $\angle ADB = 90^{\circ}+\angle ACB$. Find the ratio
\[\frac{AB \cdot CD}{AC \cdot BD}, \]
and prove that the circumcircles of the triangles $ACD$ and $BCD$ are orthogonal. (Intersecting circles are said to be orthogonal if at either common point their tangents are perpendicuar. Thus, proving that the circumcircles of the triangles $ACD$ and $BCD$ are orthogonal is equivalent to proving that the tangents to the circumcircles of the triangles $ACD$ and $BCD$ at the point $C$ are perpendicular.)
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Maverick
Jul 13, 2004
Ilikeminecraft
Today at 5:38 PM
f(x+f(x)+f(y))=x+f(x+y)
dangerousliri   10
N Today at 4:54 PM by jasperE3
Source: FEOO, Shortlist A5
Find all functions $f:\mathbb{R}^+\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^+$ such that for any positive real numbers $x$ and $y$,
$$f(x+f(x)+f(y))=x+f(x+y)$$Proposed by Athanasios Kontogeorgis, Grecce, and Dorlir Ahmeti, Kosovo
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dangerousliri
May 31, 2020
jasperE3
Today at 4:54 PM
Quadratic system
juckter   35
N May 10, 2025 by shendrew7
Source: Mexico National Olympiad 2011 Problem 3
Let $n$ be a positive integer. Find all real solutions $(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)$ to the system:

\[a_1^2 + a_1 - 1 = a_2\]\[ a_2^2 + a_2 - 1 = a_3\]\[\hspace*{3.3em} \vdots \]\[a_{n}^2 + a_n - 1 = a_1\]
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juckter
Jun 22, 2014
shendrew7
May 10, 2025
Quadratic system
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Source: Mexico National Olympiad 2011 Problem 3
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Let $n$ be a positive integer. Find all real solutions $(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)$ to the system:

\[a_1^2 + a_1 - 1 = a_2\]\[ a_2^2 + a_2 - 1 = a_3\]\[\hspace*{3.3em} \vdots \]\[a_{n}^2 + a_n - 1 = a_1\]
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Proof 1:This proof is quite flawed but i think it can be repaired plz give ur suggestions

proof 2
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tensor wrote:
Suppse in the way of contradiction $\exists k$ such that $a_{k-1}>a_k$
$\implies a_k=a_{k-1}^2+a_{k-1}+1>a_k^2+a_k-1\implies |a_k|<1$
$a_{k-1}>a_k$ does not imply $|a_k|<1$, for example, $a_{k-1}=-1/2 \implies a_k=-5/4$

I think we need to consider f(f(x)) where f(x)=x^2+x-1,
to show $-1<x<0 \implies -1<f(f(x))<x<0$.
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Hint: sum all the equations.
2 Hint: sum 1 to all equations, and then multiply this ones.
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aerile wrote:
tensor wrote:
Suppse in the way of contradiction $\exists k$ such that $a_{k-1}>a_k$
$\implies a_k=a_{k-1}^2+a_{k-1}+1>a_k^2+a_k-1\implies |a_k|<1$
$a_{k-1}>a_k$ does not imply $|a_k|<1$, for example, $a_{k-1}=-1/2 \implies a_k=-5/4$

I think we need to consider f(f(x)) where f(x)=x^2+x-1,
to show $-1<x<0 \implies -1<f(f(x))<x<0$.

Aerile @... OH REALLY?? but unfortunately ur counterexample doesn't seem to work

$a_{k-1}^2+a_{k-1}-1=\frac 14-\frac 12+1\neq \frac 54=a_k$
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tensor wrote:
$a_{k-1}^2+a_{k-1}-1=\frac 14-\frac 12+1\neq \frac 54=a_k$ :D
You are changing the constant -1 into +1
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oho noo i should learn how to see my typos thanks friend :wallbash: :wallbash_red:
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MexicOMM wrote:
Hint: sum all the equations.
2 Hint: sum 1 to all equations, and then multiply this ones.
That's a nice way. I think the Third Hint will be the AM-GM inequality:
$(\frac{a_1^2+a_2^2+...+a_n^2}{n})^n \geq (a_1a_2...a_n)^2$
with equality if and only if $a_1^2=a_2^2=...=a_n^2$
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Let's compile a complete solution.
juckter wrote:
Let $n$ be a positive integer. Find all real solutions $(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)$ to the system:

\[a_1^2 + a_1 = a_2 +1\\
  a_2^2 + a_2 = a_3 +1\\
  \hspace*{3.3em} \vdots \\
 a_{n}^2 + a_n = a_1 +1\]

Adding these $n$ equations we get $a_1^2+a_2^2+\dots+a_n^2=n$. (1)
Multiplying these equations we arrive at $\prod_{i=1}^n (a_i^2+a_i)=\prod_{i=1}^n(a_i+1)$, so we get
$(a_1a_2\dots a_n-1)(a_1+1)(a_2+1)\dots (a_n+1)=0$. (2)
Now in (2) we may have $a_i=-1$ for some $i$. Then we get $a_{i+1}=a_i^2+a_i-1=1-1-1=-1$, $a_{i+2}=-1$, and so on. It is easy to see that $a_1=a_2=\dots=a_n=-1$ is in fact a solution of the system.
Next consider the more general case $a_1\dots a_n=1$. Using the AM-GM inequality, we get
$1=\frac{a_1^2+\dots+a_n^2}n\ge \root{n}\of{a_1^2a_2^2\dots a_n^2}=1$,
where equality only holds if $a_1^2=a_2^2=\dots=a_n^2=A$. Put $a=\sqrt A$, then all the $a_i$ are $\pm a$.
The system becomes ($a_{n+1}:=a_1$)
$a_{i+1}-a_i=A-1$, $i=1,2,\dots,n$.
Adding these for $i=1,\dots,n$ gives $n(A-1)=0$, $A=1$, $a=1$. This means $a_1=\dots=a_n=+1$ or $=-1$. Both are solutions.
Therefore there are two solutions:
$a_1=\dots=a_n=1$ and $a_1=\dots=a_n=-1$.
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tensor wrote:
Proof 1:This proof is quite flawed but i think it can be repaired plz give ur suggestions
Actually, $a_{k-1}>a_{k}$ implies $a_{k-1}>a_{k-1}^2+a_{k-1}-1$.
Solving this quadric inequality, the thing we have is $-1<a_{k-1}<1$.

$|a_k|<1$ holds if $0<a_{k-1}<1$, so the remaining is $-1<a_{k-1}\leq0$.
A repairment for that case is using f(f(x)).

Let $f(x)=x^2+x-1$, then $f(f(x))=...=x^4+2x^3-x-1$.
Assume with the supposition $-1<x\leq0$,
[1] $f(f(x))<x$ and [2] $-1<f(f(x))\leq0$ are shown.

Since $a_{k+1}=f(f(a_{k-1}))$, [1] implies $a_{k+1}<a_{k-1}$ and [2] says $a_{k+1}$ also satisfies the supposition, so we can repeat to use [1] to show the chain:
$...a_{k+3}<a_{k+1}<a_{k-1}$, which also gives a contradiction.

Proof for [1] and [2]
[1]: $x-f(f(x))=x-(x^4+2x^3-x-1)=...=(1-x)(1+x)^3,$
which is positive when $-1<x\leq0$.
[2]: From [1] we have $f(f(x))<x\leq0$. For the other side, $f(f(x))-(-1)=x^4+2x^3-x=x(x+1)(x^2+x-1)$,
which will be also found out to be positive with the supposition.
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Notice that if we find the right value of $a_1$, our system of equations is less of a system of equations than a system of definitions! Let $f(x)=x^2+x-1$ and $f^k(x)=f(f(\dots f(x)\dots))$ where $f$ is composed $k$ times. We seek all real solutions $x$ to $x=f^n(x)$.

We can prove inductively the following results: For $x>1$, $f^n(x)>x$. For $-1<x<1$, $f^n(x)<x$. For $x<-1$, $f^n(x)>x$. Therefore, the only solutions may occur at $x=\pm1$. Indeed, these are solutions as $f^n(x)=x$. Therefore, the only solutions are $(1,1,\dots,1,1)$ and $(-1,-1,\dots,-1,-1)$.
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Summing, we see that $\sum _{i = 1} ^ n a_i^2 = n$. We write each equation as $a_i(a_i + 1) = 1 + a_{i + 1}$ for all integer $i \in [1,n-1]$ and $a_n(a_n+1) = a_1$; multiplying all of them yields that $\prod_{i = 1}^n a_i = 1$. By the AM-GM inequality, we know that:
$$\sum_{i = 1}^n a_i^2 \ge n\sqrt[n]{\prod_{i = 1}^n a_i^2}=n$$Since equality clearly holds, $a_1^2 = a_2^2 = ... = a_n^2 = 1$. Plugging in $a_1 = 1$ into the first equation, we see that $a_1 = a_2$ and it follows that $a_1 = a_2 = ... = a_n$. Therefore, we see that the only possible solutions are $a_1 = a_2 = .... = a_n = \pm 1$, which we can check do indeed work.
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We have
\[ a_{k+1}+1 = a_k(a_k+1).\]Taking the cyclic product over all $k$, we get $a_1\cdots a_n=1$. Taking the cyclic sum of the original sum, we get $a_1^2+\cdots+a_n^2 = n$. By AM-GM, $a_1^2+\cdots+a_n^2 \ge n (a_1\cdots a_n)^{2/n} = n$, and since equality is achieved, $|a_1|=\cdots=|a_n|=1$.

If $a_i=1$ for some $i$, then $a_{i+1}=1$, and so on for all $a$'s, and similarly if $a_i=-1$ then all are -1. So either all are 1 or all are -1.
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This solution felt natural and much more easier to find without any high level manipulations.

Solution
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Doesn't seem obviously correct, for values close to $-1$ the sequence can oscillate wildly between things greater than $-1$ and things smaller than $-1$.
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sol
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Solved with andyxpandy99.

Solution
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Very nice problem! Similar flavor to Shortlist 2018 A2, but more intuitive.

The answers are $\{a_i\}=\{1\}$ and $\{a_i\}=\{-1\}.$ These work. Notice that if any one of the $a_i$ is equal to $1$ or $-1,$ the rest must be as well, so from now on, we will assume that no $a_i$ is equal to $1$ or $-1$. Furthermore, there can also be no $a_i=0,$ as that would make $a_{i+1}$(indices taken $\pmod n$) equal to $-1,$ a contradiction.

Summing, we get that $\sum a_i^2 = n,$ and factoring, we get that $a_1(a_1+1)=a_2+1$. Taking the product of cyclic permutations, we get that $\prod a_i(a_i+1)=\prod (a_i+1),$ and since $a_i\neq 0,-1\forall 1\leq i\leq n,$ we have that $\prod a_i = 1$. However, by AM-GM, we have that $\frac{\sum a_i^2}{n}\geq 1,$ and because equality holds, we get that the entire sequence is equal up to sign. From here, it is just a matter of checking cases!
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Summing every equation gives that the sum of the squares of the sequence is exactly n (this means that the quadratic mean is 1). Adding 1 to both sides and multiplying gives that, as long as no number in the sequence is - 1, the product is also 1. However, Q(x) >= A(x) >= G(x) this means that A(x) = 1. Thus the sum of every number in the sequence is n, but this means that the sums of the squares equals the regular sum of every term. This implies that a_i=1 for all i unless it is - 1 for some i.
Going into this second case, if a term is - 1 then the next is also - 1, thus a_n is - 1. This means that a_1 is also - 1 and the whole sequence is - 1.
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Let $P(x)=x^2+x-1$. Notice that $a_1=P^n(a_1)$, but by IMO 2006/5 $P^n$ has at most two fixed points which in this case are at $1$ and $-1$. Thus, either $a_1=1$ or $a_1=-1$ for which it follows that all terms are equal.
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blackbluecar wrote:
Let $P(x)=x^2+x-1$. Notice that $a_1=P^n(a_1)$, but by IMO 2006/5 $P^n$ has at most two fixed points which in this case are at $1$ and $-1$. Thus, either $a_1=1$ or $a_1=-1$ for which it follows that all terms are equal.

This solution doesn't work as stated since IMO 2006/5 says that $P^n$ has at most two integer fixed points.
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@above oops yes you are right, thanks for pointing that out. Back to the drawing board :blush:
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The answer is $(1,\ldots,1)$ and $(-1,\ldots,-1)$, both of which clearly work. Take indices modulo $n$, so $a_{k+1}=a_k^2+a_k-1$ (when we say the sequence is periodic, this is by considering the infinite extension of the sequence in periodic manner). We now present two solutions to show that no other $n$-tuples work.

Solution 1 (very bad!!!): If $a_i=-1$ then all of them are $-1$ as well, hence suppose none of them are $-1$. Add one to both sides of the equation to get $a_{k+1}+1=a_k(a_k+1)$. Since no $a_i$ equals $-1$, we have $a_1\ldots a_n=1$. On the other hand, summing gives $a_1^2+\cdots+a_n^2=n$. But by AM-GM we have
$$n=a_1^2+\cdots+a_n^2\geq n(a_1\ldots a_n)^{2/n}=n,$$hence $a_1=\cdots=a_n$, which means all of them are either $1$ or $-1$, so we extract the given answer. $\blacksquare$

Solution 2 (very good!!!) By summing all the equations we have $a_1^2+\cdots+a_n^2=n$, so there must exist some $i$ with $|a_i| \geq 1$. It is clear that if $a_i>1$, $a_{i+1}>a_i$, but this is absurd as it makes a periodic sequence strictly increasing, so we either have $a_i=1$ for all $i$, $a_i=-1$ for all $i$, or there exists some $i$ such that $a_i<-1$. We will show that the third case is impossible. Indeed, suppose $a_i=-1-a$ for $x>0$. Since we have $x^2+x-1 \geq -5/4$ for all $x \in \mathbb{R}$, we must have $a_i \geq -5/4$ for all $i$, hence $a \in (0,1/4]$. Now we can calculate $a_{i+1}=-1+(a^2+a)$, and
$$a_{i+2}=-1-(a-(2a^3+a^4)).$$We can check that $a>2a^3+a^4$ for $a \in (0,1/4]$ (factor it as $a(a+1)(a^2+a-1)<0$), so $a_{i+2}+1$ is also negative but also strictly greater than $a_i+1$. Thus, we have $a_{i+2}>a_i$ for all $i$, but this is again impossible as $(a_i)$ is periodic. From this, we either have $a_i=1~\forall i$ or $a_i=-1~\forall i$the desired solution. $\blacksquare$
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Take indices$\pmod n$. We have the equations $a_i^2+a_i=a_{i+1}+1$ for each $i$.
If $a_i=-1$ for any $i$, then:
$$a_{i+1}=a_i^2+a_i-1=-1$$so by induction $(a_1,a_2,\ldots,a_n)=\boxed{(-1,-1,\ldots,-1)}$ which is indeed a solution. Otherwise, suppose that $a_i\ne-1$ for all $i$.

Summing the equations $a_i^2+a_i=a_{i+1}+1$ for $1\le i\le n$ gives:
$$\sum_{i=1}^na_i^2+\sum_{i=1}^na_i=\sum_{i=1}^na_{i+1}+n$$so
$$\sum_{i=1}^na_i^2=n.$$Multiplying these equations gives:
$$\prod_{i=1}^na_i(a_i+1)=\prod_{i=1}^n(a_{i+1}+1)$$so
$$\prod_{i=1}^na_i=1.$$
But by QM-AM, we have:
$$1=\sqrt{\frac1n\sum_{i=1}^na_i^2}\ge\sqrt[n]{\prod_{i=1}^na_i}=1,$$so equality holds and all of the $a_i$ are equal. Rearranging the first equation gives that $a_1^2=1$, and since $a_1\ne-1$ we have $(a_1,a_2,\ldots,a_n)=\boxed{(1,1,\ldots,1)}$ which is indeed a solution.
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jasperE3 wrote:
if $a_i\le-1$ then $a_2\le-1$

If you mean $a_{i+1}$ instead of $a_2$, this is false—take $a_i=-5/4$, so $a_{i+1}=-11/16>-1$. In fact, if $a_i \leq -1$, we have $a_{i+1} \geq -1$
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Note: The version of the problem I was given asks for the number of solutions, but the solution works out the same either way.

Note that if $a_k=-1$ for any $k$, then everything becomes $-1$. We will add in this case later, so assume that $a_k+1\ne 0$ for now.

First, sum over all $k$ to get
\[a_1^2+a_2^2+\dots+a_n^2=n.\]
Now rewrite our original equation as
\[\frac{a_{k+1}+1}{a_k+1}=a_k\]and multiply over all $k$ to get
\[a_1a_2\dots a_n=1.\]
Thus
\[\sqrt{\frac{a_1^2+a_2^2+\dots+a_n^2}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{a_1a_2\dots a_n}.\]This implies QM-GM for the variables $|a_1|,|a_2|,\dots,|a_n|$ and only has the equality case of everything being equal.

If $x$ goes to $-x$, then $x^2+x-1=-x$ so $x=-1\pm\sqrt2$. We can manually check that for each of these cases, $-x$ doesn't go to either of $x$ or $-x$. Thus the sequences are indeed constant.

Plugging back in, the sequence must be all $1$'s or all $-1$'s, so the answer is $\boxed{2}$.
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If we sum cyclically, we get \[ a_{1}^2 + a_{2}^2 + \dots + a_{n}^2 = n\]Also, note that
\[ a_{k+1} + 1 = a_k(a_k + 1) \]As such, \[ a_1a_2\dots a_n(a_i + 1) = (a_i + 1) \]If $a_i = -1$ for some $i$, then all $a_i$ equal $-1$. Else, assume $a_1a_2\dots a_n = 1$ and no $a_i = -1$. By AM-GM, \[ \frac{a_1^2 + a_2^2 + \dots + a_n^2}{n} \ge \sqrt[n]{a_1^2a_2^2\dots a_n^2} = 1 \]Equality can only hold if $a_1^2 = a_2^2 = \dots = a_n^2 = 1$, so thus $a_1 = a_2 = \dots = a_n = 1$.
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Firstly add all the equations to get $\sum_i a_i^2 = n$
Now, rewrite the equations as $$a_i(a_i + 1) = a_{i+1} + 1.$$$i = 1, 2, \cdots. n$.
Then we have two cases:
Case 1: Some $a_i$ is $-1$.
Then evidently, $$a_{i+1} + 1 = 0 \implies a_{i+1} = -1$$and so on, so $$a_i = -1 \forall i.$$Case 2: No $a_i$ is $-1$.
Take the cyclic product of all the equations to get $$\prod_{i} a_i \cdot \prod_i (a_i + 1) = \prod_i (a_i + 1).$$But $\prod_i (a_i+1) \ne 0$, so $$\prod_{i} a_i  = 1 \implies \prod_i a_i^2 = 1.$$Now AM-GM gives us $$1 = \frac{\sum_i a_i^2}{n} \ge \left(\prod_i a_i^2\right)^{1/n} = 1.$$Since equality holds, $a_1^2 = \cdots = a_n^2 = 1$. But no $a_i$ is $-1$, so all $a_i$ are $1$, yielding $a_i = 1 \forall i$.
Since $\boxed{(a_1, \cdots, a_n) = (-1, \cdots, -1)}$ and $\boxed{(a_1, \cdots, a_n) = (1, \cdots, 1)}$ both clearly work, we're done. $\square$
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Claim 1:
\(a_{k+2} = a_{k}^4 + 2a_{k}^3 - a_{k} - 1\)
Proof:
The problem condition is
\[a_{k+1} = a_{k}^2 + a_{k} - 1\]We can substitute this value of \(a_{k+1}\) into the problem condition to obtain
\[a_{k+2} = a_{k+1}^2 + a_{k+1} - 1 = {(a_{k}^2 + a_{k} - 1)}^2 + (a_{k}^2 + a_{k} - 1) -1 = a_{k}^4 + 2a_{k}^3 - a_{k} - 1\]QED

Claim 2:
If \(-1 < a_{k} < 1\), then \(|-1-a_{k}| > |-1-a_{k+2}|\), in other words \(a_{k+2}\) will get closer to \(-1\).
Proof:
We can represent \(a_{k}\) as \(-1+\delta\) for some positive \(\delta < 2\). Substituting this value into the equation for \(a_{k+2}\) gives us
\[a_{k+2} = {(-1+\delta)}^4 + 2{(-1+\delta)}^3 - (-1+\delta) -1 = \delta^4 - 2\delta^3 + \delta - 1\]Our goal is to show that
\[\delta > |-1 - (\delta^4 - 2\delta^3 + \delta - 1)|\]Simplifying, we have
\[|-1 - (\delta^4 - 2\delta^3 + \delta - 1)| = |\delta^4 -2\delta^3 + \delta| = \delta \cdot |(\delta-1)(\delta^2-\delta-1)|\]Thus it suffices to show
\[|(\delta-1)(\delta^2-\delta-1)| < 1\]Which can be bashed. QED

Claim 3:
If \(\frac{-1-\sqrt{5}}{2} < x < - 1\), then \(|-1-a_{k}| > |-1-a_{k+2}|\), in other words \(a_{k+2}\) will get closer to \(-1\).
Proof:
We substitute \(a_{k} = -1 + \delta\) like before, however this time for negative delta (I don't want to reexpand the equation lol). Again it suffices to show
\[-\delta > |\delta(\delta-1)(\delta^2-\delta-1)|\]However notice that
\[-\delta > |\delta(\delta-1)(\delta^2-\delta-1)| \iff 1 > |(\delta-1)(\delta^2-\delta-1)|\]for \(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}< \delta < 0\). Which is true since \(\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\) is a root of \((\delta^2-\delta-1)\). QED
Claim 4:
If \(-2< a_{k} < \frac{-1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\), then \(1 > a_{k+2} > - 1\)
Proof:
More boring subs. QED
Claim 5:
If there is an \(a_{k} > 1\), then
\[a_{k+1} > a_{k}\]Also if there is an \(a_{k} < -2\), then \(a_{k+1} > 1\)
Proof:
Easy substitution into the original equation. QED

Let \(n\) denote the \(n\)-th composition of \(x^4+2x^3-x-1\), notice that
\[a_{1} = f^{n}(a_{1})\]Claims 1 until 5 imply that \(a_{1} = \{1,-1\}\). Thus the only possible sequences are \(a_{i} = 1\) for all \(i\) or \(a_{i} = -1\) for all \(i\).
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Nice problem:
If any of them is equal to -1,then all of them are -1.If not,then multiplying the equations gives us that $a_1a_2...a_n=1$.But we have that $\sum_{i=1}^n a_i^2= n$ and defining the sequence $b_i = |a_i|$ gives us $b_i =1$ via AM-GM.This gives us all the results.
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We claim the only solutions are $(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n) = (-1, -1, \dots, -1), (1, 1, \dots, 1)$ which clearly work.

Now note that any $a_k = -1$ is sufficient enough to imply the solution set $(-1, -1, \dots, -1)$, so assume otherwise. We can rearrange the relation $a_{k + 1} = a_k^2 + a_k - 1$ (indices $\pmod{n}$) to $a_k^2 = a_{k + 1} - a_k + 1$ which summing over all $k$ telescopes to $a_1^2 + a_2^2 + \dots + a_n^2 = n$. Moreover, we also have $\dfrac{a_{k + 1}  + 1}{a_k + 1} = a_k$ which multiplying over all $k$ gives $a_1 a_2 \dots a_n = 1$.

So $\dfrac{|a_1|^2 + |a_2|^2 + \dots + |a_n|^2}{n} = \sqrt[n]{|a_1|^2 |a_2|^2 \dots |a_n|^2}$ which is the equality case of AM-GM. Then $|a_1| = |a_2| = \dots = |a_n|$ easily gives $(1, 1, \dots, 1)$ as a solution set, done.
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Addingi all the equations, we get that $\sum a_n^2 = n.$ We also have that $a_{k + 1} + 1 = a_k^2 + a_k,$ and so $\prod a_n = 1.$ Thus, by AM-GM, we have that $a_k = \pm 1.$ If $a_0 = 1,$ then the rest are all 1. If $a_0 = -1,$ the rest are -1.
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Observe that $$a_k=\frac{a_{k+1}+1}{a_k+1}$$so multiplying these yields $\prod a_i = 1.$ Meanwhile $$a_k^2-1 = a_{k+1}-a_k \implies \sum a_i^2 = n.$$But by the Power Mean Inequality $$\sqrt{\frac{\sum a_i^2}{n}} \geq \sqrt[n]{\prod a_i} \iff 1=1$$so equality in fact holds and all $a_i$ are equal. $x^2+x-1=x \iff x=\pm 1$ so the only solutions are $$(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n) = (1, 1, \dots, 1), (-1, -1, \dots, -1).$$
this felt like 2015 ISL A1
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The answer is $\boxed{(a_1, a_2, \dots, a_n)=\pm(1, 1, \dots, 1)}$. Summing the condition over $k$ gives $a_1^2+a_2^2+\dots+a_n^2 = n$. The condition can also be manipulated to $\frac{a_{k+1}+1}{a_k+1}=a_k$, which gives $a_1a_2\dots a_n=1$ by multiplying over $k$. This gives the equality case of AM-GM on $(a_1^2, a_2^2, \dots, a_n^2),$ which implies $a_1=a_2=\dots=a_n=\pm 1$. Note that if $a_k=1$, then $a_{k+1}=1$ as well, and likewise, if $a_k=-1$, then $a_{k+1}=-1$. The result follows by induction.
Maximilian113 wrote:
this felt like 2015 ISL A1
well they're both in alg manip
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We claim our only solution are $\boxed{(-1, \ldots, -1), (1, \ldots, 1)}$. We aim to show that there are no other solutions.

Consider dividing the parabola $y=x^2+x-1$ into four regions $A$, $B$, $C$, $D$ with y-coordinates $\ge 1$, $[0,1]$, $[-1,0]$, $\leq -1$. Then we can see that the mapping $x \rightarrow x^2+x-1$ maps
\[A \mapsto A, B \mapsto \text{down}, C \mapsto D, D \mapsto C.\]
We see that the only cycle of length greater than 1 we could have is the involution $C \mapsto D \mapsto C$. Thus the only other solutions we could have are from
\[(x^2+x-1)^2+(x^2+x-1)-1=x \implies (x-1)(x+1)^3 = 0.\]
Thus there are no other solutions. $\blacksquare$
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