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Let $a,b,c,d$ be real numbers less than 2.Then prove that $\frac{a^3}{b^2+4}+\frac{b^3}{c^2+4}+\frac{c^3}{d^2+4}+\frac{d^3}{a^2+4}\le4$
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Sequence of numbers in form of a^2+b^2
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Source: Iran TST 2015, exam 1, day 1 problem 3
Let $ b_1<b_2<b_3<\dots $ be the sequence of all natural numbers which are sum of squares of two natural numbers.
Prove that there exists infinite natural numbers like $m$ which $b_{m+1}-b_m=2015$ .
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How to get better at geometry ?
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Geometry is my weakest part although i have tried very hard to improve lately. I want to ask geometry experts of this forum : How do you train yourself on geometry ? What is your way of thinking when dealing with a hard geometry problem like 2008/6 or 2011/6 ? In my country, during national olimpiad and tst the geometry problems are usually easy or medium problems and i feel like we are not trained well enough. When i tried 2008/6 or 2011/6 i got stuck with no idea at all. Can you share what's your way of cracking it ? Did you deal with other problems with similar kind of diagram before so you can relate to it? (like in 2011/6 the fact that the the incenter of the determined triangle lies on the circumcircle of triangle ABC appears in previous test). Or did you try to draw a very good diagram and try to guess some properties ?
Also what books or problem sets do you think is appropriate for training ?
Sorry for this long post and my poor english
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Geometry is my weakest part although i have tried very hard to improve lately. I want to ask geometry experts of this forum : How do you train yourself on geometry ? What is your way of thinking when dealing with a hard geometry problem like 2008/6 or 2011/6 ? In my country, during national olimpiad and tst the geometry problems are usually easy or medium problems and i feel like we are not trained well enough. When i tried 2008/6 or 2011/6 i got stuck with no idea at all. Can you share what's your way of cracking it ? Did you deal with other problems with similar kind of diagram before so you can relate to it? (like in 2011/6 the fact that the the incenter of the determined triangle lies on the circumcircle of triangle ABC appears in previous test). Or did you try to draw a very good diagram and try to guess some properties ?
Also what books or problem sets do you think is appropriate for training ?
Sorry for this long post and my poor english
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I can speak for 2011 #6, which I did at home in about a day. But first, although I'm by no means a geometry expert (probably the rest of the Taiwan team is better than me) let me make some general remarks that are helpful to me.
  1. Knowing configurations / tricks is particularly helpful in geometry, more so than the other shortlist subjects, so doing lots of problems is important. Solving problems is hard enough without having to re-invent your tools during the contest. For an extreme example, consider Iran TST 2009 #9. If you know a lemma about the midpoint of an altitude (like 2002 G7) and a lemma about the line $EF$ (which amusingly came up as USA JMO 2014 #6) then the solution path is quite natural. If not, you are at a severe disadvantage. (Shameless plug: I'm in the process of trying to get a geometry book published (http://www.aops.com/blog/101204) which covers a large number of the configurations I mentioned, particularly Chapters 4, 9, 10 which contain some configurations I personally use but don't think everyone knows. If you find me with my laptop at the IMO I can show you what the current draft looks like.)
  2. Drawing excellent diagrams, often more than one, is really critical for hard problems. A hard geometry problem often has several intermediate steps. Explicitly, let's say you want to prove $A \implies B$, and the solution path is $A \implies X \implies Y \implies B$. Each individual implication may be no harder than an IMO 1/4; however, the hard part is finding out what $X$ and $Y$ are. The diagram gives you an immediate, rapid way to disprove false conjectures, and also suggests new ones.
  3. Know how to bash. Bashing is an effective, reliable way to solve a large amount of problems. Specifically, if you do enough bashing you develop an intuition where you can say, "oh this problem can clearly be bashed in $X$ time". So if you work on a problem and it reduces to something where $X$ is relatively small, you are done instantly.

Specifically applying these things to my solution to IMO 2011 #6,
  1. From APMO 2014 #5, RMM 2013 #3, I know that a particularly useful way to prove two circles are tangent is to construct a pair of homothetic triangles between them. So in my diagram, I let $T$ be the tangency point of the two circles, and $A_1B_1C_1$ be the triangle formed by $\ell_a$, $\ell_b$, $\ell_c$. Then I let $A_2$, $B_2$, $C_2$ be the second intersections onto $\Gamma$.
  2. By observing the diagram below, I eventually notice that it seems like $PA = AA_2$. I am particularly encouraged when I see that $PB = BB_2$ and $PC = CC_2$ look true as well. (I also discovered and proved the incenter lemma from my diagram, but I did not end up using it in my solution. However, it would certainly have been worth marks at the IMO.)

    [asy]
size(8cm);
defaultpen(fontsize(8pt));
pair A = dir(110);
dot("$A$", A, dir(A));
pair B = dir(195);
dot("$B$", B, dir(160));
pair C = dir(325);
dot("$C$", C, 1.4*dir(30));
pair P = dir(270);
dot("$P$", P, dir(P));
draw(unitcircle);
draw(A--B--C--cycle, blue);

pair U = P+(2,0);
pair V = 2*P-U;

pair X_1 = reflect(B,C)*P;
pair Y_1 = reflect(C,A)*P;
pair Z_1 = reflect(A,B)*P;
pair X_2 = extension(B, C, U, V);
dot(X_2);
pair Y_2 = extension(C, A, U, V);
dot(Y_2);
pair Z_2 = extension(A, B, U, V);
dot(Z_2);
draw(B--Z_2, dotted+blue);
draw(C--Y_2, dotted+blue);
draw(C--X_2, dotted+blue);
draw(X_2--Z_2);


pair A_1 = extension(Y_1, Y_2, Z_1, Z_2);
dot("$A_1$", A_1, dir(A_1));
pair B_1 = extension(Z_1, Z_2, X_1, X_2);
dot("$B_1$", B_1, dir(B_1));
pair C_1 = extension(X_1, X_2, Y_1, Y_2);
dot("$C_1$", C_1, dir(50));

draw(A_1--B_1--C_1--cycle, green);
draw(C_1--X_2, dotted+green);
draw(circumcircle(A_1, B_1, C_1));

pair A_2 = A*A/P;
dot("$A_2$", A_2, dir(-20));
pair B_2 = B*B/P;
dot("$B_2$", B_2, dir(130));
pair C_2 = C*C/P;
dot("$C_2$", C_2, dir(C_2));
draw(A_2--B_2--C_2--cycle, red);

pair T = extension(A_1, A_2, B_1, B_2);
dot("$T$", T, dir(T));
draw(T--A_1, dashed);
draw(T--B_1, dashed);
draw(T--C_1, dashed);
[/asy]

    At this point a directed angle chase shows that indeed the triangles $A_1B_1C_1$ and $A_2B_2C_2$ defined are homothetic. So my conjecture is almost definitely true, and I simply have to show that $A_1A_2$, $B_1B_2$, $C_1C_2$ concur on $\Gamma$.
  3. Because I spent all of April complex bashing Taiwan TST problems, I can tell easily that the structure of this problem admits a complex numbers solution. By pinning $P=1$, and setting $ABC$ as the reference triangle, it is fairly straightforward to compute the coordinates of $A_1$, $B_1$, $C_1$. Of course, $A_2 = a^2$. Then a simple intersection gives the coordinates of $T$.

As usual, I will recommend the handouts by Yufei Zhao and Alex Remorov for the medium-hard level of olympiad geometry. You can find them with a simple Google search.

Now that you have heard the words of a non-expert, here are some words from the actual expert TS (whose real name is apparently a secret?).
TS wrote:
至於解題我也不是很會解題ㄦ 因為很多題目都有背景(吧) 不然就是證明一些性質的時候有用到類似的方法所以就很容易想到了阿XD
像是 2011 G4的做法跟在證明X(25)的一個性質實的做法差不多所以證過那個性質就可以秒掉了那題G4了
2011 G8要是知道垂極點的證法就可以很快找到切入點
2008 G7 的圖跟雙曲線有關 2009 G8 是有向圓理論(我不知道是不是叫這個名字XD)的退化在加上Steiner theorem
1995 G8和2005 G6跟仿射幾何有關 2005 G5也是一個很早就出現過的圖形 跟共軸圓有關 ...
2005 G1的條件是書上常見的條件 這個條件等價於X(8)在內切圓上
總之很多圖應該都有背景吧XD 怎麼可能每次都跑出那麼多新的東西=V= 新東西就要靠感覺和經驗吧=w=
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I'm not actually that good at solving problems either... Because a lot of problems either come from a background context, or else their solutions are similar to the proofs of some other properties, it's very easy for me to find the solution.

For example, the solution to 2011 G4 is like the proof of a property of $X_{25}$, so if you've seen this then you can solve G4 instantly. In 2011 G8 (i.e. 2011 #6), if you know the proof of the orthopole then you can very quickly find the tangency point. The diagram for 2008 G7 is related to hyperbolas, and 2009 G8 is related to "circle theory" (I'm not sure if that's the name) plus Steiner's Theorem. 1995 G8 and 2005 G6 are related to affine geometry, and 2005 G5 is an old diagram related to coaxal circles. The condition of 2005 G1 is often seen in textbooks, and is equivalent to $X_8$ lying on the incircle.

Overall a lot of problems come from some other background. How could it be possible that so many new configurations are found every year? Novel ideas just have to come from intuition and experience.
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Thank for sharing with me your thinking process. That's really very inspiring. I really need to work out these hard problems to improve my intuition and background knowledge.
And also it would be good if we can meet in SA with your book nicely done then :D
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i'm just showing off (no means an expert), but you also might want to consider understanding how to analyze "the degrees of freedom" when doing geometry problems. To put it simply it's this: for every geometry diagram, there is a set of lengths and angles that determine the entire diagram. Some lengths, angles and positions of points are completely irrelevant of other lengths, angles, and positions. Therefore, if one can comprehensively analyze the diagram well, then one will not have to waste time on the imo trying to do useless angle chasing or what not.

EDIT:Fixed typo "lengths."
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Your answers are really useful. By the way, can anybody please give any similar advices in NT? I somehow don't "feel" it, especially when the solution requires some weird construction :)
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It's God given; cannot learn. :-)
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It's God given; cannot learn. :-)
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Practice makes man perfect NgoNgang :weightlift:
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inge wrote:
Also what books or problem sets do you think is appropriate for training ?
Sorry for this long post and my poor english
v_Enhance wrote:
Knowing configurations / tricks is particularly helpful in geometry
I fully agree, v_Enhance! Also, for you, inge, I think the best is to try to do handouts of USA or Canada.
https://sites.google.com/site/imocanada/
http://www.math.cmu.edu/~lohp/olympiad.shtml
Also, be sure to check out Yufei's handouts concerning lemmas in Euclidean Geometry.
Further, Evan's blogs are one of the finest, and the same goes for his handouts. Unfortunately I don't have the link to them, but be sure to try it out.
Some personal advice: I myself am an IMO aspirant and I have many days whn\en I really suck at Geometry. On the other hand, on some days I am able to tackle even the hardest of the problems. I believe that it is a matter of training and experience.
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Though I m no geometry expert, I would recommend building up an arsenal of lemmas from solving hard geometry problems. For example, Miquel points have quite nice and easily provable properties, but recognizing them can often turn out to be the crucial step in a solution.
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