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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
dcouchman   1
N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

Find instructions and a list of contests to add here: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c40244h1064480_contests_to_add
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dcouchman
Sep 9, 2019
v_Enhance
Apr 5, 2023
k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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ZetaX
Feb 27, 2007
NoDealsHere
May 4, 2019
Inminimumlity
giangtruong13   1
N 7 minutes ago by giangtruong13
Let $a,b,c>0$ and $\frac{1}{a}+\frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c} \leq 3$. Find the minimum: $$A=\sum_{cyc} \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^2-ab+3b^2+1}}$$
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giangtruong13
3 hours ago
giangtruong13
7 minutes ago
Exquality
giangtruong13   2
N 8 minutes ago by lbh_qys
Let $x,y,z>0$ satisfy that: $(xz)^2+(yz)^2+1 \leq 3z$. Find the minimum value: $$P=\frac{1}{(x+1)^2}+\frac{8}{(y+3)^2}+\frac{4z^2}{(1+2z)^2}$$
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giangtruong13
an hour ago
lbh_qys
8 minutes ago
Problem 2830
sqing   0
15 minutes ago
Source: SXTB (2)2025
Let $ a,b>0 $ and $ \frac{1}{a^2+1}+ \frac{1}{b^2+1}=t $ $(1<t<2). $ Find the value range of $ a+b. $
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sqing
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Set theory false statement
RenheMiResembleRice   5
N 25 minutes ago by LawofCosine
Prove or show the following statement does not hold
B−(A−B)=(A∪B)
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RenheMiResembleRice
an hour ago
LawofCosine
25 minutes ago
IMO PSC said it's not novel, but it's still very pretty
mshtand1   1
N 29 minutes ago by Rushery_10
Source: Ukrainian Mathematical Olympiad 2025. Day 1, Problem 10.3
It is known that some \(d\) distinct divisors of a positive integer number \(n\) form an arithmetic progression. Prove that the number \(n\) has at least \(2d - 2\) divisors.

Proposed by Anton Trygub
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mshtand1
Mar 13, 2025
Rushery_10
29 minutes ago
geometry party
pnf   1
N 41 minutes ago by Tsikaloudakis
pnf
Yesterday at 1:51 PM
Tsikaloudakis
41 minutes ago
chat gpt
fuv870   31
N 43 minutes ago by Quantum-Phantom
The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?
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fuv870
Yesterday at 9:51 PM
Quantum-Phantom
43 minutes ago
Find the value
sqing   3
N an hour ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $a,b,c$ be distinct real numbers such that $ \frac{a^2}{(a-b)^2}+ \frac{b^2}{(b-c)^2}+ \frac{c^2}{(c-a)^2} =1. $ Find the value of $\frac{a}{a-b}+ \frac{b}{b-c}+ \frac{c}{c-a}.$
Let $a,b,c$ be distinct real numbers such that $\frac{a^2}{(b-c)^2}+ \frac{b^2}{(c-a)^2}+ \frac{c^2}{(a-b)^2}=2. $ Find the value of $\frac{a}{b-c}+ \frac{b}{c-a}+ \frac{c}{a-b}.$
Let $a,b,c$ be distinct real numbers such that $\frac{(a+b)^2}{(a-b)^2}+ \frac{(b+c)^2}{(b-c)^2}+ \frac{(c+a)^2}{(c-a)^2}=2. $ Find the value of $\frac{a+b}{a-b}+\frac{b+c}{b-c}+ \frac{c+a}{c-a}.$
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sqing
3 hours ago
sqing
an hour ago
Kaprekar Number
CSJL   4
N an hour ago by Korean_fish_Kaohsiung
Source: 2025 Taiwan TST Round 1 Independent Study 2-N
Let $k$ be a positive integer. A positive integer $n$ is called a $k$-good number if it satisfies
the following two conditions:

1. $n$ has exactly $2k$ digits in decimal representation (it cannot have leading zeros).

2. If the first $k$ digits and the last $k$ digits of $n$ are considered as two separate $k$-digit
numbers (which may have leading zeros), the square of their sum is equal to $n$.

For example, $2025$ is a $2$-good number because
\[(20 + 25)^2 = 2025.\]Find all $3$-good numbers.
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CSJL
Mar 6, 2025
Korean_fish_Kaohsiung
an hour ago
Functional Inequality Implies Uniform Sign
peace09   30
N an hour ago by Nari_Tom
Source: 2023 ISL A2
Let $\mathbb{R}$ be the set of real numbers. Let $f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ be a function such that \[f(x+y)f(x-y)\geqslant f(x)^2-f(y)^2\]for every $x,y\in\mathbb{R}$. Assume that the inequality is strict for some $x_0,y_0\in\mathbb{R}$.

Prove that either $f(x)\geqslant 0$ for every $x\in\mathbb{R}$ or $f(x)\leqslant 0$ for every $x\in\mathbb{R}$.
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peace09
Jul 17, 2024
Nari_Tom
an hour ago
orthogonality
karimeow   0
2 hours ago
Given a cyclic quadrilateral ABCD inscribed in the circle (O). Let E and F be the intersections of AD with BC and AC with BD, respectively. Prove that the circle with diameter EF is orthogonal to (O).
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karimeow
2 hours ago
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Problem 4
teps   73
N 2 hours ago by Nari_Tom
Find all functions $f:\mathbb Z\rightarrow \mathbb Z$ such that, for all integers $a,b,c$ that satisfy $a+b+c=0$, the following equality holds:
\[f(a)^2+f(b)^2+f(c)^2=2f(a)f(b)+2f(b)f(c)+2f(c)f(a).\]
(Here $\mathbb{Z}$ denotes the set of integers.)

Proposed by Liam Baker, South Africa
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teps
Jul 11, 2012
Nari_Tom
2 hours ago
Reflexive Polynomial
awesomeming327.   2
N 2 hours ago by GoldenFirefly92
Source: CMO 2025
A polynomial $c_dx^d+c_{d-1}x^{d-1}+\dots+c_1x+c_0$ with degree $d$ is reflexive if there is an integer $n\ge d$ such that $c_i=c_{n-i}$ for every $0\le i\le n$, where $c_i=0$ for $i>d$. Let $\ell\ge 2$ be an integer and $p(x)$ be a polynomial with integer coefficients. Prove that there exist reflexive polynomials $q(x)$, $r(x)$ with integer coefficients such that
\[(1+x+x^2+\dots+x^{\ell-1})p(x)=q(x)+x^\ell r(x)\]
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awesomeming327.
Mar 7, 2025
GoldenFirefly92
2 hours ago
Problem 1 of Fourth round
Pinko   2
N 3 hours ago by Assassino9931
Source: V International Festival of Young Mathematicians Sozopol 2014, Theme for 10-12 grade
Find all pairs of natural numbers $(m,n)$, for which $m\mid 2^{\varphi(n)} +1$ and $n\mid 2^{\varphi (m)} +1$.
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Pinko
Oct 13, 2019
Assassino9931
3 hours ago
chat gpt
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?
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no it doesnt unless it was already a leaked problem on the internet. If you give it a IMO level question you made up, small chance it is going to get it right
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But I heard that ChatGPT-3.5 is better than 4.0 at solving math?
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Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
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chill bro
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I think the rise of AI will help America. With AI, anyone can solve maths problems and create amazing art and music, thus preventing the classist issue of the higher classes learning mathematics and art and instruments from disadvantaging everyone else.
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scannose wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Bro! Are you promoting the usage of ChatGPT in mathematical olympiads? It is well known that ChatGPT often fakesolves problems! Maybe you should work on your own mathematical skills than drawing attention away from legit mathematical causes with your promotion of AI in mathematical olympiads! Stop being unethical now!
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I think the rise of AI will help America. With AI, anyone can solve maths problems and create amazing art and music, thus preventing the classist issue of the higher classes learning mathematics and art and instruments from disadvantaging everyone else.

Fr! lol
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By immediately attacking me for my opinions, you have revealed your ignorance of olympiad maths. While ChatGPT and other LLMs are clearly capable of solving simple linear or quadratic equations, and basic mathematical modeling problems are no problem for it, you are ignoring that this forum is under the name 'HIGH SCHOOL OLYMPIADS', not 'MIDDLE SCHOOL MATHS'. I'm just suggesting that AI can help many people without access to mathematical resources, a good way to learn and improve, which is in no way related to the elitist olympiad mathematics. In olympiad mathematics, AI has no purpose and should never be used.
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
By immediately attacking me for my opinions, you have revealed your ignorance of olympiad maths. While ChatGPT and other LLMs are clearly capable of solving simple linear or quadratic equations, and basic mathematical modeling problems are no problem for it, you are ignoring that this forum is under the name 'HIGH SCHOOL OLYMPIADS', not 'MIDDLE SCHOOL MATHS'. I'm just suggesting that AI can help many people without access to mathematical resources, a good way to learn and improve, which is in no way related to the elitist olympiad mathematics. In olympiad mathematics, AI has no purpose and should never be used.
i disagree, i think limiting AI's potential to only lower level math will hinder its development anyhow.
Furthermore, just wait a few years until deepseek and gpts start acing amcs and amies :)
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That is impossible! Imagine thinking that a language model is capable of solving mathematical problems involving complex thinking and creative methods. This is a preposterous statement that seeks to claim that AI can replace humans.
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I think google's alphago or something like that solved 4 out of 6 IMO problems 4 2024
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Alphageo is not ChatGPT. Alphageo mixes a specialised AI to make geometric claims with a logical proof software. Furthermore, do you really believe that Alphageo is good? Remember that Alphageo is sponsored by a massive website company called Google, which means that it will likely have biased testing results that only make Google look good. It is very likely that Google chooses several IMO problems and pretends to solve them under Alphageo.

Also, where are you getting your statistics from? How could alphaGEO solve 4 out of 6 problems when there was only 1 geometry problem? Please inform yourself of the real situation before commenting on this issue.
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That is impossible! Imagine thinking that a language model is capable of solving mathematical problems involving complex thinking and creative methods. This is a preposterous statement that seeks to claim that AI can replace humans.

just wait and see
AI is going to take the world by storm in at most a year by now...
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i like how this thread has degenerated into a debate about AI capabilities :)
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@ohiorizzler1434 u really gotta chill.
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?

Yes in a way, but it codes them or bashes most out for AIME and AMC. For USAMO and IMO, it knows key ideas of solution, but only the very top AI's can solve some problems that level with 7/7 solutions. But soon enough, AI will be smart enough to do most IMO problems. Not yet though..
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Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.
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Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.

Nah it is most definitely gonna be able to solve IMO problems in the future :skull: especially when more of us aops people go into the AI field when we get older.
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Just because there are AoPSers working in AI does not mean they will make significant contributions to the development of AI, nor overcome the fundamental issues with ChatGPT.
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Schintalpati wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
Your claims reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of AI. It's like saying, one day humans will be strong enough to fly without aid. ChatGPT is fundamentally incapable of solving IMO problems, just admit it.

Nah it is most definitely gonna be able to solve IMO problems in the future :skull: especially when more of us aops people go into the AI field when we get older.

So true :)
i mean look at people who said that we would never get to the moon...
everything seems impossible until someone does it :play_ball:
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ohiorizzler1434
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I did not talk about landing on the moon. The technology and concept behind rockets were well known for a long period before the moon landings.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I did not talk about landing on the moon. The technology and concept behind rockets were well known for a long period before the moon landings.
well the tech and concepts for AI is also well known now, even though it can't YET ace a IMO
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ohiorizzler1434
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I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.
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jkim0656
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.

i can't say i agree.
its true that LLMs cant do these things now, but the technological advancements of just AI over the past year is amazing, if u look at it from another perspective.
LLMs take in data and learn from it, like a human brain. They can analyze things from thousands of different perspectives and find one that works. It's hard to say that AI will NEVER be able to catch up to an IMO level participant, as a result.
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jkim0656
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we had a good debate, @ohiorizzler1434 :)
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giangtruong13
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AI is actually good at Math but it is often saying :"This problem cant be solved 'cuz it's wrong"
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ohiorizzler1434
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jkim0656 wrote:
ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
I was never talking about AI in general, only about how ChatGPT and other LLMs have a structure incapable of comprehending rigorous mathematics and solving hard problems like this.

i can't say i agree.
its true that LLMs cant do these things now, but the technological advancements of just AI over the past year is amazing, if u look at it from another perspective.
LLMs take in data and learn from it, like a human brain. They can analyze things from thousands of different perspectives and find one that works. It's hard to say that AI will NEVER be able to catch up to an IMO level participant, as a result.

You are wrong. LLMs have an intrinsic capability to analyse language phrases so it is impossible for them to understand the rigorous first-order logic underlying mathematics, like set theory or geometry.
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The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?

Please lock this post. Very disappointing.
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ohiorizzler1434
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I agree too. This discussion has led to nobody changing their opinions and improving their understanding of AIs.
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Quantum-Phantom
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ohiorizzler1434 wrote:
You are wrong. LLMs have an intrinsic capability to analyse language phrases so it is impossible for them to understand the rigorous first-order logic underlying mathematics, like set theory or geometry.

Have you heard of mathematics formalized tools, such as "LEAN"?
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ohiorizzler1434
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LEAN is completely different to LLMs. Please read the argument above and stop making irrelevant points.
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Quantum-Phantom
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Who gave you the confidence to make all these claims and refutes?
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