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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
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Sep 9, 2019
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
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ZetaX
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May 4, 2019
Functional Inequality Implies Uniform Sign
peace09   33
N 29 minutes ago by ezpotd
Source: 2023 ISL A2
Let $\mathbb{R}$ be the set of real numbers. Let $f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ be a function such that \[f(x+y)f(x-y)\geqslant f(x)^2-f(y)^2\]for every $x,y\in\mathbb{R}$. Assume that the inequality is strict for some $x_0,y_0\in\mathbb{R}$.

Prove that either $f(x)\geqslant 0$ for every $x\in\mathbb{R}$ or $f(x)\leqslant 0$ for every $x\in\mathbb{R}$.
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peace09
Jul 17, 2024
ezpotd
29 minutes ago
Labelling edges of Kn
oVlad   1
N an hour ago by TopGbulliedU
Source: Romania Junior TST 2025 Day 2 P3
Let $n\geqslant 3$ be an integer. Ion draws a regular $n$-gon and all its diagonals. On every diagonal and edge, Ion writes a positive integer, such that for any triangle formed with the vertices of the $n$-gon, one of the numbers on its edges is the sum of the two other numbers on its edges. Determine the smallest possible number of distinct values that Ion can write.
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oVlad
May 6, 2025
TopGbulliedU
an hour ago
c^a + a = 2^b
Havu   8
N an hour ago by MathematicalArceus
Find $a, b, c\in\mathbb{Z}^+$ such that $a,b,c$ coprime, $a + b = 2c$ and $c^a + a = 2^b$.
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Havu
May 10, 2025
MathematicalArceus
an hour ago
Concurrence of lines defined by intersections of circles
Lukaluce   1
N an hour ago by sarjinius
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Let $\triangle ABC$ be an acute-angled triangle and $A_1, B_1$, and $C_1$ be the feet of the altitudes from $A, B$, and $C$, respectively. On the rays $AA_1, BB_1$, and $CC_1$, we have points $A_2, B_2$, and $C_2$ respectively, lying outside of $\triangle ABC$, such that
\[\frac{A_1A_2}{AA_1} = \frac{B_1B_2}{BB_1} = \frac{C_1C_2}{CC_1}.\]If the intersections of $B_1C_2$ and $B_2C_1$, $C_1A_2$ and $C_2A_1$, and $A_1B_2$ and $A_2B_1$ are $A', B'$, and $C'$ respectively, prove that $AA', BB'$, and $CC'$ have a common point.
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Lukaluce
Apr 14, 2025
sarjinius
an hour ago
Factorial Divisibility
Aryan-23   45
N an hour ago by MathematicalArceus
Source: IMO SL 2022 N2
Find all positive integers $n>2$ such that
$$ n! \mid \prod_{ p<q\le n, p,q \, \text{primes}} (p+q)$$
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Aryan-23
Jul 9, 2023
MathematicalArceus
an hour ago
Multiple of multinomial coefficient is an integer
orl   14
N an hour ago by mickeymouse7133
Source: Romanian Master in Mathematics 2009, Problem 1
For $ a_i \in \mathbb{Z}^ +$, $ i = 1, \ldots, k$, and $ n = \sum^k_{i = 1} a_i$, let $ d = \gcd(a_1, \ldots, a_k)$ denote the greatest common divisor of $ a_1, \ldots, a_k$.
Prove that $ \frac {d} {n} \cdot \frac {n!}{\prod\limits^k_{i = 1} (a_i!)}$ is an integer.

Dan Schwarz, Romania
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orl
Mar 7, 2009
mickeymouse7133
an hour ago
Functional Equation from IMO
prtoi   1
N an hour ago by KAME06
Source: IMO
Question: $f(2a)+2f(b)=f(f(a+b))$
Solve for f:Z-->Z
My solution:
At a=0, $f(0)+2f(b)=f(f(b))$
Take t=f(b) to get $f(0)+2t=f(t)$
Therefore, f(x)=2x+n where n=f(0)
Could someone please clarify if this is right or wrong?
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prtoi
2 hours ago
KAME06
an hour ago
can you solve this..?
Jackson0423   1
N an hour ago by GreekIdiot
Source: Own

Find the number of integer pairs \( (x, y) \) satisfying the equation
\[ 4x^2 - 3y^2 = 1 \]such that \( |x| \leq 2025 \).
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Jackson0423
May 8, 2025
GreekIdiot
an hour ago
Gergonne point Harmonic quadrilateral
niwobin   0
an hour ago
Triangle ABC has incircle touching the sides at D, E, F as shown.
AD, BE, CF concurrent at Gergonne point G.
BG and CG cuts the incircle at X and Y, respectively.
AG cuts the incircle at K.
Prove: K, X, D, Y form a harmonic quadrilateral. (KX/KY = DX/DY)
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niwobin
an hour ago
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Combi that will make you question every choice in your life so far
blug   1
N 2 hours ago by HotSinglesInYourArea
$A$ and $B$ are standing in front of the room in which there is $C$. They know that there is a chessboard in the room and that on every square there is a coin. Every coin is black on one side and white on the other side and is flipped randomly. $A$ enters the room and then $C$ points at exactly one square on the chessboard. After that, $A$ must flip exactly one coin of his choice on the chessboard to the other side and leave. Finally, $B$ enters the room ($A$ and $B$ haven't met again after $A$ entered the room) and he has to guess which square did $C$ point at.
What strategy do $A$ and $B$ have that will make this happen every time?
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blug
4 hours ago
HotSinglesInYourArea
2 hours ago
Functional equation
Pmshw   17
N 2 hours ago by arzhang2001
Source: Iran 2nd round 2022 P2
Find all functions $f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ such that for any real value of $x,y$ we have:
$$f(xf(y)+f(x)+y)=xy+f(x)+f(y)$$
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Pmshw
May 8, 2022
arzhang2001
2 hours ago
Hard Geometry
Jalil_Huseynov   3
N 2 hours ago by bin_sherlo
Source: DGO 2021, Individual stage, Day1 P3
Let triangle $ABC$ be a triangle with incenter $I$ and circumcircle $\Omega$ with circumcenter $O$. The incircle touches $CA, AB$ at $E, F$ respectively. $R$ is another intersection point of external bisector of $\angle BAC$ with $\Omega$, and $T$ is $\text{A-mixtillinear}$ incircle touch point to $\Omega$. Let $W, X, Z$ be points lie on $\Omega$. $RX$ intersect $AI$ at $Y$ . Assume that $R \ne X$. Suppose that $E, F, X, Y$ and $W, Z, E, F$ are concyclic, and $AZ, EF, RX$ are concurrent.
Prove that
$\bullet$ $AZ, RW, OI$ are concurrent.
$\bullet$ $\text{A-symmedian}$, tangent line to $\Omega$ at $T$ and $WZ$ are concurrent.

Proporsed by wassupevery1 and k12byda5h
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Jalil_Huseynov
Dec 26, 2021
bin_sherlo
2 hours ago
Algebra form IMO Shortlist
Abbas11235   35
N 3 hours ago by ezpotd
Source: IMO Shortlist 2017 A2
Let $q$ be a real number. Gugu has a napkin with ten distinct real numbers written on it, and he writes the following three lines of real numbers on the blackboard:
[list]
[*]In the first line, Gugu writes down every number of the form $a-b$, where $a$ and $b$ are two (not necessarily distinct) numbers on his napkin.
[*]In the second line, Gugu writes down every number of the form $qab$, where $a$ and $b$ are
two (not necessarily distinct) numbers from the first line.
[*]In the third line, Gugu writes down every number of the form $a^2+b^2-c^2-d^2$, where $a, b, c, d$ are four (not necessarily distinct) numbers from the first line.
[/list]
Determine all values of $q$ such that, regardless of the numbers on Gugu's napkin, every number in the second line is also a number in the third line.
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Abbas11235
Jul 10, 2018
ezpotd
3 hours ago
Number theory
EeEeRUT   3
N 3 hours ago by IAmTheHazard
Source: Thailand MO 2025 P10
Let $n$ be a positive integer. Show that there exist a polynomial $P(x)$ with integer coefficient that satisfy the following
[list]
[*]Degree of $P(x)$ is at most $2^n - n -1$
[*]$|P(k)| = (k-1)!(2^n-k)!$ for each $k \in \{1,2,3,\dots,2^n\}$
[/list]
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EeEeRUT
May 14, 2025
IAmTheHazard
3 hours ago
2024 numbers in a circle
PEKKA   33
N Apr 12, 2025 by Safal
Source: Canada MO 2024/2
Jane writes down $2024$ natural numbers around the perimeter of a circle. She wants the $2024$ products of adjacent pairs of numbers to be exactly the set $\{ 1!, 2!, \ldots, 2024! \}.$ Can she accomplish this?
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PEKKA
Mar 8, 2024
Safal
Apr 12, 2025
2024 numbers in a circle
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Source: Canada MO 2024/2
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Jane writes down $2024$ natural numbers around the perimeter of a circle. She wants the $2024$ products of adjacent pairs of numbers to be exactly the set $\{ 1!, 2!, \ldots, 2024! \}.$ Can she accomplish this?
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The answer is no. The product of all the products of adjacent pairs is a perfect square, but the product $\prod _{j=1}^{2024}j!$ is not.

Edit: We can prove that the product of summations is not by considering p-adic of 1009 like @below
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Yeah ok this is pretty easy for canada mo..

SFTSOC, it's possible. Just notice that the product of the product of the adjacent pairs of the numbers, each of $\{1, \dots, 2024\}$ are present twice, making it a perfect square. while if all of these products are in the set, $1! \cdot \cdots \cdot 2024!$ must be a perfect square as well. To prove that it's not, in $1! \cdot \cdots \cdot 2024!$ we'd have to take a prime less than (actually <$\frac{2024}{2}$, this method works, just slightly less motivated and more work). $\sqrt{2024}$, or it'll have an even power. (following numbers denote the power of 43 in their factorials). Notice that:
$$1, 2, ..., 42 \implies 0$$$$43, 44, ..., 85 \implies 1$$$$\dots$$$$1978, \dots, 2020 \implies 46$$$$2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 \implies 47$$So the total power of 43 is $\frac{46\cdot47}{2} + 47\cdot4$. However, we still need to add $1$ (to)since $1849, \dots, 2024$ have a power of $43^2$ in them, so the total power is $\frac{46\cdot47}{2} + 4\cdot47 + 176$, which is odd.
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I cited Nagura's result for this (that there is a prime between $n$ and $6n/5$ for $n \geq 25$).
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lol i used 2-adic and paired up
(2!, 3!) (4!, 5!) (6!, 7!) etc and we're left with 2024! and v2 (2024!) is odd by the formula
\[n-s_2(n)=2017\]
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Is this right?

No. Suppose otherwise.

If we take the product of all adjacent pairs, then the result is the product of the numbers squared, so \[ N = 1! \cdot 2! \cdots 2024!\]is a perfect square. Now we consider the $\nu_{1009}$ of this. For any $n < 1009$, we have $\nu_{1009} (n!) = 0$, if $1009 \le n < 2018$, we have $\nu_{1009}(n!) = 1$, and if $2018 \le n \le 2024$, we have $\nu_{1009}(n!) = 2$. Hence the parity of the $\nu_{1009}$ of $N$ is the number of positive integers $n$ with $1009 \le n < 2018$, which is just $1009$, hence $\nu_{1009}(N)$ is odd, so $N$ isn't a perfect square, contradiction.
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Yes it's right :D! Congrats on solving it (me who used 43 :oops: )
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We claim that it is no, because the product of all pairs must be a square as each term appears twice in the product. However, this is impossible as the product of $1!, 2!, \dots $ is not a square. To show this, consider powers of $2$. We can pair $(2k)!$ and $(2k+1)!$ which cancels (in terms of parity of the exponent of $2$), leaving us with $2024!$. We then calculate $\nu_2(2024) = 1012+506+253+126+63+31+15+7+3+1$ which is odd.
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are Canada MO problems supposed to be increasing order or random
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this was way too easy for the CMO why was this p2
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Oops didnt realize $1009$ works. $v_2\left(\prod{i=1}^{2024} i!\right)=v_2\left(\prod_{j=1}^{2024} j^{2025-j}\right)$, which is congruent to $v_2(2024!)$ modulo $2$, which turns out to be $2017$, an odd number.
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We claim the answer is no.

Assume FTSOC it is possible. Note that $(a_1a_2 \cdots a_{2024})^2 = \prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$. Every integer $i$ appears $2025-i$ times in the product, so odd integers appear an even number of times and even integers appear an odd number of times.

Recall Nagura's Theorem: For $n \geq 25$, there is always a prime $p$ such that $n < p < \frac{6n}{5}$. By Nagura's Theorem, there exists a prime $p$ such that $840 < p < 1008$. In the product, this prime appears only in the terms $p$ and $2p$, since $1008 * 2 = 2016 < 2024$ and $840 * 3 = 2520 >2024$. The term $p$ appears an even number of times and the term $2p$ appears an odd number of times in the product, so $v_p(\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!)$ is odd, which is a contradiction to $\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$ being a perfect square.
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The answer is no. Suppose ftsoc that it's possible to write $2024$ natural numbers described. Multiplying together the product of every adjacent pair, we see that every number appears twice, so $P = 1!2! \cdots 2024!$ must be a perfect square. However, note that $1009$ is prime, so we can compute
$$\nu_{1009}(P) = 1008 \cdot 0 + 1009 \cdot 1 + 7 \cdot 2 \equiv 1 \pmod 2,$$which implies that $P$ cannot be a perfect square, contradiction.
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lelouchvigeo
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No it is not possible.
For it to be true we must have $\prod _{j=1}^{2024}j!$ as a perfect square. After checking, the p-adic value of $2$ turns out to be odd. We are done
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We claim the answer is no.

Assume FTSOC it is possible. Note that $(a_1a_2 \cdots a_{2024})^2 = \prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$. Every integer $i$ appears $2025-i$ times in the product, so odd integers appear an even number of times and even integers appear an odd number of times.

Recall Nagura's Theorem: For $n \geq 25$, there is always a prime $p$ such that $n < p < \frac{6n}{5}$. By Nagura's Theorem, there exists a prime $p$ such that $840 < p < 1008$. In the product, this prime appears only in the terms $p$ and $2p$, since $1008 * 2 = 2016 < 2024$ and $840 * 3 = 2520 >2024$. The term $p$ appears an even number of times and the term $2p$ appears an odd number of times in the product, so $v_p(\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!)$ is odd, which is a contradiction to $\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$ being a perfect square.

I did the exact same thing in contest! The funny thing is, I learned of Nagura's Result while doing the PRIMES application pset. I found it pretty amusing in contest
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Very silly. If $a_1,a_2, \ldots, a_{2024}$ are the numbers around the circle is

\[ \left ( \prod_{k=1}^{2024} a_k \right )^2 = \prod_{k=1}^{2024} a_ka_{k+1} =  \prod_{i=1}^{2024} k! \]
But,

\[ \nu_{47} \left ( \prod_{i=1}^{2024} k! \right ) = 47(1+2+ \cdots +42) + 4 \cdot 43 \]Which is odd. and thus the product can't be a square. $\blacksquare$
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Huh

The thing we want to prove is that $\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$ is not a perfect square.

We want the prime to be as large as possible, so we start from the primes close to $\frac{2024}{2}=1012$. Note $1009$ is a prime. $1009\cdot 2=2018$. There are in total $2024-1009+1+2024-2018+1=1023$ $1009$s in the number. $v_{1009}(\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!)=1023$, so there is no way the number is a square. Probably AMC level ngl
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Let, the numbers on the circle are, $a_1,a_2,\cdots,a_{2024}$, Suppose, $b_i! $ are permutation of $1!, \cdots, 2024!$ for $i=1,2, \cdots,2024$, now suppose this is possible then, $a_ja_{j+1}=b_j! $ where, $a_1=a_{2025}$,
Then $$b_1!b_3!\cdots b_{2023}!=b_2!b_3!\cdots b_{2024}!=a_1a_2...a_{2024}$$This will imply,
$$b_1!b_2!b_3!b_4!\cdots b_{2024}!=(b_2!b_3!\cdots b_{2024}!)^2=K(say) $$Let, $\tau(n)$ be the total number of positive divisors of $n$ then we have,
$$\tau(b_1!b_2!b_3!\cdots b_{2024}!)=\tau((b_2!b_4!\cdots b_{2024}!)^{2})$$We know that total number of divisors of perfect square is always odd.
Then, $\tau(K)$ is always odd.
But, $661$ is prime dividing $$b_1!b_2!\cdots b_{2024}!=1!2!\cdots 2024!=C$$But, $$v_{661}(C)=1\times(1321-661+1)+2\times (1982-1322+1)+3(2024-1983+1)=2109$$but, $\tau(C)$ is divisible by $\tau(661^{2109})=2110$ thus $\tau(C)$ must be even but since $K=C$ and $\tau(K)$ is odd, so contradiction!!! $\blacksquare$
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Jane writes down $n$ natural numbers around the perimeter of a circle. She wants the $n$ products of adjacent pairs of numbers to be exactly the set $\{ 1!, 2!, \ldots, n! \}.$.From wich $n$ can she accomplish this?

We are going to prove that for $n>=75$ she can not accomplish this.
The product of all the products of adjacent pairs is a perfect square, but the product $\prod _{j=1}^{n}j!$ is not.

If $n=odd$ we can just select an odd prime number bigger than $\frac{n}{2}$ and we are done.
If $n=even$ we want to find an odd prime number belongs to $[\frac{n}{3},\frac{n}{2}]$ and we know that for $a>=25$ there exist a prime belongs to $[a,\frac{6a}{5}]$ so sinse $n>=75$ there exist a prime in $[\frac{n}{3},\frac{6n}{15}]=[\frac{n}{3},\frac{2n}{5}]$ done.

Now consider the case $n<=74$
If $n$ is odd $>3$ as before.
If $n=3$ we can't.

If $n=enen$ then
For $58<=n<=74$ we can take $p=29$
For$40<=n<=56$ we can take $p=19$
For $28<=n<=38$ we can get $p=13$
For$n=22,24,26$ we can get $p=11$
For $n=20$ we can get $p=7$
For $n=18,16,14,12,10$ we see $U_5$
For $n=8$ we see $U_2$
For $n=6$ we see $U_3$
For $n=4$ we see $U_2$
For $n=2$ we can get the numbers $1,2$
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Thanks fedex (@manteca) for the help :D

Lets say Jane wrote down the numbers $a_1,a_2 \dots a_{2024}$. Let $N$ be such that $N=(a_1\times a_2)(a_2\times a_3)\dots (a_{2024}\times a_1)=a_1^2 a_2^2\dots a_{2024}^2$, then $N$ is a perfect square.

Suppose the affirmation of the problem is possible, then $A=1!2!\dots 2024!$ is a perfect square, then all the prime factors of $A$ are elevated to an even number.

Lets chose the prime $1009$, there are $(2017-1009+1)+2(2024-2018+1)=1023$ $1009$ factors in $A$, but $1023 \equiv 1 \mod 2$ wich is odd therefore Jane cant accomplish what she wants.
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No, she cannot.

Let the numbers written around the perimeter of the circle be $x_1, x_2,\dots, x_{2024}$. Consider the product of the $2024$ products:

$\prod_{i=1}^{2024} x_ix_{i+1}=\prod_{i=1}^{2024} x_i^2=\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$, where $x_{2024}=x_1$.

This suggests that $P=\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!$ must be a perfect square; in other words, in the prime factorization of $P$, all the exponents must be even.

But $\prod_{i=1}^{2024} i! = 2024!\prod_{i=1}^{1011} (2i+1)((2i)!)^2$, so clearly, $v_2\left(\frac{P}{2024!}\right)\equiv 0\pmod{2}$ and by Legendre's, $v_2(2024!)=2017$.

Therefore, $v_2(P)=v_2\left(\frac{P}{2024!}\right)+v_2(2024!)\equiv 1 \pmod{2}$, meaning that the exponent of $2$ is odd, a contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Since there is $1!$, there are 2 "$1$" on the circle, and they are next to each other.
Consider $1013$, which is a prime number.
For all $1\leq i\leq 1012,v_{1013}(i!)=0$, and for all $1013\leq i \leq 2024, v_{1013}(i!)=1$. They indicate that there are 1012 numbers which can all be divided by $1013$ and they cannot be next to each other. But it is contradictory to the 2 "$1$" next to each other. Thus Jane cannot accomplish this.$\square$
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We need to prove that, $P = \prod_{i=1}^{2024} i! = K^2$ is not possible for any integer $K$
Now $P = \prod_{i=1}^{2024} i!  = 2^{1012} \cdot 1012! \cdot C^2$ where $C = \prod_{i=0}^{1011}(2i+1)!$
$\implies 1012! = A^2$ for some integer $A$, which is absurd due to Bertrands postulate i.e. there exists a prime between $ n \geq 2$ and $2n$
Also $v_2(1012!) = 506+253+126+63+31+15+7+3+1 = 1005$ a contradiction
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Alright when we take product of all pairs we get (2024)! As a perfect square

But when we find power of 2 in (2024)! We will get a odd number
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Pretty easy.
Suppose (s)he can do it for some natural numbers.
Label the numbers as $a_1,a_2,a_3,...,a_{2024}$ $(a_0=a_{2024},a_{2025}=a_1)$ such
$a_i$ and $a_{i+1}$ are adjacent
$a_ia_{i+1}=i!$
Now $a_1a_2=1!$,$a_2a_3=2!$....$a_{2024}a_1=2024!$

Now multiplying all gives us
$(a_1a_2a_3...a_{2024})^2 =1!2!3!...2034!=K$
Now $K$ must be a square number.
That means for all $primes$ $p$, $v_p(K)$ is $even$.
Now take prime $911$ (Don't get me wrong for choosing $911$ that's what came to my mind) which is a prime.
Now $v_{911}(911!),v_{911}(912!),...,v_{911}(1821!)$ are all $1$ where there are odd number of $1$.
Now $v_{911}(1822!),v_{911}(1823!),...,v_{911}(2024!)$ are all 2
So $v_{911}(K)$ is odd which is contradiction $\square$
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Let the numbers be $a_1, a_2, .... a_{2024}$. they situated on circle in this order .
after that $(a_1*a_2*a_3*...*a_{2023}*a_{2024})^2=1!*2!*3!*....*2023!*2024!$
from there we get $1!*2!*3!*....*2023!*2024!$ must be a square.
$v_2$ $works$
We can match some numbers like;
$2!, 3!$ $==>$ $v_2(2!)=v_2(3!)$
For a generelization $v_2(2k)!=v_2(2k+1)!$ so, $v_2$ will be even ($d*2$ for some d )
only $2024!$ lefts and from legendres formula we find $v_2(2024!)=odd$.
$even+odd=odd$ . So a contradiction for being perfect square. Answer is no
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Common case is discussed here:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c35h3398795_product_of_factorials_is_a_perfect_square
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PEKKA wrote:
Jane writes down $2024$ natural numbers around the perimeter of a circle. She wants the $2024$ products of adjacent pairs of numbers to be exactly the set $\{ 1!, 2!, \ldots, 2024! \}.$ Can she accomplish this?

Let the numbers she writes down be $a_1,a_2,\ldots,a_{2024}$ where $a_{2025}=a_1$ and the products of adjacent pairs are $a_1a_2,a_2a_3,\ldots,a_{2024}a_1$. The product of each of these products of adjacent pairs is:
$$\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!=\prod_{i=1}^{2024}a_ia_{i+1}=\left(\prod_{i=1}^{2024}a_i\right)^2,$$so $\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!$ must be a square.

First, note that we can find a prime between $\frac{2024}2$ and $\frac{2024}3$, since $997$ is prime.
We claim that $v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!\right)$.
For $1\le i\le996$ we have $v_{997}(i!)=0$, so $v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1}^{996}i!\right)=0$
For $997\le i\le1993$ we have $v_{997}(i!)=1$, so $v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=997}^{1993}i!\right)=1993-997+1=997$.
For $1994\le i\le2024$ we have $v_{997}(i!)=2$ since $i\ge997,1994$, so $v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1994}^{2024}i!\right)=2(2024-1994+1)=62$.
Therefore:
$$v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!\right)=v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1}^{996}i!\right)+v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=997}^{1993}i!\right)+v_{997}\left(\prod_{i=1994}^{2024}i!\right)=0+997+62$$is odd.

This makes it impossible for $\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!$ to be a square, therefore impossible for Jane to write down these natural numbers. This is because if $\prod_{i=1}^{2024}i!=k^2$ for some $k$, we would need to have $v_{997}\left(k^2\right)=2v_{997}(k)$ be even.
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Its not so hard to see that $$\nu_{1009}(1!\cdot 2!\cdot 3!\cdot \dots \cdot 2024!)$$is odd which finishes
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How did everyone know that $1009$ is a prime? anyways, I used $47$ instead (because $47^2>2024$.) This is a good example of the global idea, imo.


The answer is no. Assume for a contradiction, and let the numbers be $a_1, \dots , a_{20024}$ in order. Then\begin{align*}
P&= (a_1a_2)\dots (a_{2024}a_1) \\
&= (a_1a_2\dots a_{2024})^2 \\
&= 1!\cdot 2!\cdot ... \cdot 2024!
\end{align*}must be a square of some integer.

In particular, we'll prove that $\nu_{47}(P)$ is odd. Note that $47$ is prime, and $47^2>2024$. We have\begin{align*}
\nu_{47}(P)
&= \nu_{47}(1!)+ \nu_{47}(2!)+ \dots + \nu_{47}(2024!) \\
&= 0\cdot 47+1\cdot 47+\dots 42\cdot 47+4\cdot 43 \\ 
&= \frac{42\cdot 43}{2} \cdot 47 + 4\cdot 43\\
&= 21\cdot 43\cdot 47 + 4\cdot 43 
\end{align*}which is obviously odd, contradiction.
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NicoN9 wrote:
How did everyone know that $1009$ is a prime? anyways, I used $47$ instead (because $47^2>2024$.) This is a good example of the global idea, imo.


The answer is no. Assume for a contradiction, and let the numbers be $a_1, \dots , a_{20024}$ in order. Then\begin{align*}
P&= (a_1a_2)\dots (a_{2024}a_1) \\
&= (a_1a_2\dots a_{2024})^2 \\
&= 1!\cdot 2!\cdot ... \cdot 2024!
\end{align*}must be a square of some integer.

In particular, we'll prove that $\nu_{47}(P)$ is odd. Note that $47$ is prime, and $47^2>2024$. We have\begin{align*}
\nu_{47}(P)
&= \nu_{47}(1!)\cdot \nu_{47}(2!)\cdot \dots \cdot \nu_{47}(2024!) \\
&= 0\cdot 47+1\cdot 47+\dots 42\cdot 47+43\cdot 4 \\ 
&= \frac{42\cdot 43}{2} \cdot 47 + 4\cdot 47\\
&= 21\cdot 43\cdot 47 + 4\cdot 47 
\end{align*}which is obviously odd, contradiction.

Primeness of 1009 is not hard to prove , it needs Sieve of Eratosthenes.
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Primeness of 1009 is not hard to prove , it needs Sieve of Eratosthenes.
Yeah but finding primes bigger than like 1000 takes some time unless I knew it...
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NicoN9 wrote:
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Primeness of 1009 is not hard to prove , it needs Sieve of Eratosthenes.
Yeah but finding primes bigger than like 1000 takes some time unless I knew it...

$\sqrt{1009}\leq 32$ so knowing prime upto $40$ is enough.Yes it will take some time but not more than $7$ to $8$ mins
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