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k i Zero tolerance
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N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
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Divisibility NT
reni_wee   2
N a minute ago by reni_wee
Source: Iran 1998
Suppose that $a$ and $b$ are natural numbers such that
$$p = \frac{b}{4}\sqrt{\frac{2a-b}{2a+b}}$$is a prime number. Find all possible values of $a$,$b$,$p$.
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Aslı tries to make the amount of stones at every unit square is equal
AlperenINAN   0
a minute ago
Source: Turkey JBMO TST P2
Let $n$ be a positive integer. Aslı and Zehra are playing a game on an $n\times n$ grid. Initially, $10n^2$ stones are placed on some of the unit squares of this grid.

On each move (starting with Aslı), Aslı chooses a row or a column that contains at least two squares with different numbers of stones, and Zehra redistributes the stones in that row or column so that after redistribution, the difference in the number of stones between any two squares in that row or column is at most one. Furthermore, this move must change the number of stones in at least one square.

For which values of $n$, regardless of the initial placement of the stones, can Aslı guarantee that every square ends up with the same number of stones?
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Minimum value of a 3 variable expression
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N 5 minutes ago by Tamam
Source: Türkiye JBMO TST P6
Find the minimum value of
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ISI UGB 2025 P8
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N 10 minutes ago by MathematicalArceus
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Let $n \geq 2$ and let $a_1 \leq a_2 \leq \cdots \leq a_n$ be positive integers such that $\sum_{i=1}^{n} a_i = \prod_{i=1}^{n} a_i$. Prove that $\sum_{i=1}^{n} a_i \leq 2n$ and determine when equality holds.
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2n^2+4n-1 and 3n+4 have common powers
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N 12 minutes ago by Burmf
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Find all positive integers $n$ such that a positive integer power of $2n^2+4n-1$ equals to a positive integer power of $3n+4$.
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Trigo relation in a right angled. ISIBS2011P10
Sayan   9
N 12 minutes ago by sanyalarnab
Show that the triangle whose angles satisfy the equality
\[\frac{\sin^2A+\sin^2B+\sin^2C}{\cos^2A+\cos^2B+\cos^2C} = 2\]
is right angled.
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sanyalarnab
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bin_sherlo   0
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$ABCDE$ is a pentagon whose vertices lie on circle $\omega$ where $\angle DAB=90^{\circ}$. Let $EB$ and $AC$ intersect at $F$, $EC$ meet $BD$ at $G$. $M$ is the midpoint of arc $AB$ on $\omega$, not containing $C$. If $FG\parallel DE\parallel CM$ holds, then what is the value of $\frac{|GE|}{|GD|}$?
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bin_sherlo
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Points on the sides of cyclic quadrilateral satisfy the angle conditions
AlperenINAN   0
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Let $ABCD$ be a cyclic quadrilateral and let the intersection of $AB$ and $CD$ be $E$. Let the points $K,L$ be arbitrary points on sides $CD$ and $AB$ respectively which satisfy the conditions $\angle KAD=\angle KBC$ and $\angle LDA = \angle LCB$. Prove that $EK=EL$.
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AlperenINAN
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ISI UGB 2025 P2
SomeonecoolLovesMaths   4
N 33 minutes ago by MathsSolver007
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If the interior angles of a triangle $ABC$ satisfy the equality, $$\sin ^2 A + \sin ^2 B + \sin^2  C = 2 \left( \cos ^2 A + \cos ^2 B + \cos ^2 C \right),$$prove that the triangle must have a right angle.
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SomeonecoolLovesMaths
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IMO ShortList 1998, combinatorics theory problem 5
orl   47
N 37 minutes ago by mathwiz_1207
Source: IMO ShortList 1998, combinatorics theory problem 5
In a contest, there are $m$ candidates and $n$ judges, where $n\geq 3$ is an odd integer. Each candidate is evaluated by each judge as either pass or fail. Suppose that each pair of judges agrees on at most $k$ candidates. Prove that \[{\frac{k}{m}} \geq {\frac{n-1}{2n}}. \]
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Cyclic equality implies equal sum of squares
blackbluecar   34
N 37 minutes ago by Markas
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Let $a,b,c,x,y,z$ be real numbers such that

\[ a^2+x^2=b^2+y^2=c^2+z^2=(a+b)^2+(x+y)^2=(b+c)^2+(y+z)^2=(c+a)^2+(z+x)^2 \]
Show that $a^2+b^2+c^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$.
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Common tangent to diameter circles
Stuttgarden   5
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The cyclic quadrilateral $ABCD$, inscribed in the circle $\Gamma$, satisfies $AB=BC$ and $CD=DA$, and $E$ is the intersection point of the diagonals $AC$ and $BD$. The circle with center $A$ and radius $AE$ intersects $\Gamma$ in two points $F$ and $G$. Prove that the line $FG$ is tangent to the circles with diameters $BE$ and $DE$.
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Stuttgarden
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2020 EGMO P2: Sum inequality with permutations
alifenix-   29
N 40 minutes ago by Markas
Source: 2020 EGMO P2
Find all lists $(x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_{2020})$ of non-negative real numbers such that the following three conditions are all satisfied:

[list]
[*] $x_1 \le x_2 \le \ldots \le x_{2020}$;
[*] $x_{2020} \le x_1  + 1$;
[*] there is a permutation $(y_1, y_2, \ldots, y_{2020})$ of $(x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_{2020})$ such that $$\sum_{i = 1}^{2020} ((x_i + 1)(y_i + 1))^2 = 8 \sum_{i = 1}^{2020} x_i^3.$$[/list]

A permutation of a list is a list of the same length, with the same entries, but the entries are allowed to be in any order. For example, $(2, 1, 2)$ is a permutation of $(1, 2, 2)$, and they are both permutations of $(2, 2, 1)$. Note that any list is a permutation of itself.
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alifenix-
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Markas
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IMO 2018 Problem 2
juckter   97
N 42 minutes ago by Markas
Find all integers $n \geq 3$ for which there exist real numbers $a_1, a_2, \dots a_{n + 2}$ satisfying $a_{n + 1} = a_1$, $a_{n + 2} = a_2$ and
$$a_ia_{i + 1} + 1 = a_{i + 2},$$for $i = 1, 2, \dots, n$.

Proposed by Patrik Bak, Slovakia
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juckter
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Markas
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Beautiful Number Theory
tastymath75025   33
N Apr 28, 2025 by awesomehuman
Source: 2022 ISL N8
Prove that $5^n-3^n$ is not divisible by $2^n+65$ for any positive integer $n$.
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tastymath75025
Jul 9, 2023
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Apr 28, 2025
Beautiful Number Theory
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Prove that $5^n-3^n$ is not divisible by $2^n+65$ for any positive integer $n$.
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Note that if $n$ is even then $3\mid2^n+65$ but $3\not | 5^n-3^n$, impossible, so $n$ is odd, and clearly $n=1$ fails. Now we claim all $n>1$ fail. To see why, note that

\[-1 = \left( \frac{2^n+65}{5} \right) = \left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right) = \left( \frac{5^n}{2^n+65} \right),\]
and now if $2^n+65 \mid 5^n-3^n$ this in turn equals

\[\left( \frac{3^n}{2^n+65} \right) = \left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right) = \left( \frac{2^n+65}{3} \right) = +1,\]
a contradiction.

(Here we make use Jacobi symbols.)
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1998 n5

Suppose $2^n+65\mid5^n-3^n$. Since $3\nmid 5^n-3^n$ and $5\nmid 5^n-3^n$, we get $n\equiv1\pmod2$. Therefore, $5^n-3^n=5x^2-3y^2$ for some $x$ and $y$, implying $15\equiv\frac{(3y)^2}{x^2}\pmod{2^n+65}$, so $\left(\frac{15}{2^n+65}\right)=1$. Clearly, $2^1+65\nmid5^1-3^1$, so $n\geq2$. However, we also have
\begin{align*}
\left(\frac{15}{2^n+65}\right)&=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{15}\right)\\
&=\left(\frac{2^n+65}5\right)\left(\frac{2^n+65}3\right)\\
&=\left(\frac{2^n}5\right)\left(\frac{2^n+2}3\right)\\
&=(-1)(1)\\
&=-1,
\end{align*}contradiction. Therefore, $2^n+65\nmid 5^n-3^n$ for all $n$.
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solution
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Reason: n is positive, not nonnegative
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Quite similar to Romania TST 2008/3/3 and exactly the same approach works here. Definitely easier than N5 and N6.

Solution of N8
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Isn't the wording supposed to be this one?
Quote:
Prove that $5^n-3^n$ is not divisible by $2^n+65$ for any positive integer $n$.
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No such $n$. By taking modulo $3$, $n$ is odd, and it is clear that $n=1$ fails, so assume $n \geq 2$. Therefore, if $(\tfrac{5}{3})^n-1 \equiv 0 \pmod{2^n+65}$, $\tfrac{5}{3}$ must be a quadratic residue modulo $2^n+65$. However, letting $(\tfrac{a}{b})$ denote the Jacobi symbol, by quadratic reciprocity we have
$$\left(\frac{5/3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)\left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right)=\left(\frac{\pm 2}{5}\right)\left(\frac{1}{3}\right)=(-1)(1)=-1,$$contradiction. $\blacksquare$

Remark: "IT'S [redacted] JACOBI" [dies]
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Is this really n8?
It's just some simple quadratic residue stuff
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Definition: In the solution below, $\left( \frac{a}{b} \right)$ denotes the Jacobi symbol.

No solutions.

Since $n = 1$ fails, assume that $n > 1$. Note that $2^n + 65 \equiv 1\pmod 4$.

Clearly $n$ even fails, as $3$ would divide $2^n + 65$ but $3$ cannot divide $5^n - 3^n$. Now assume $n$ is odd.

Notice that $\frac{\left( \frac{5^n}{2^n + 65} \right)}{ \left( \frac{3^n}{2^n + 65} \right) }$ is equal to $1$ (since $5^n\equiv 3^n \pmod{2^n + 65}$), since $n$ is odd, this implies $\frac{\left( \frac{5}{2^n + 65} \right)}{ \left( \frac{3}{2^n + 65} \right) } = 1$.


However, we have that \[\left( \frac{5}{2^n + 65} \right) = \left( \frac{2^n + 65}{5} \right) = -1\]and \[\left( \frac{3}{2^n + 65} \right) = \left( \frac{2^n + 65}{3} \right) = \left( \frac{1}{3}  \right) = 1,\]absurd.

Note: Another way to show that $\frac{\left( \frac{5}{2^n + 65} \right)}{ \left( \frac{3}{2^n + 65} \right) } = 1$ is to let $p$ be a prime dividing $2^n + 65$. Then $1 = \left( \frac{ \frac{5}{3} }{p}  \right) = \frac{ \left( \frac{5}{p} \right) }{ \left( \frac{3}{p} \right)} $. Since this is true for all primes $p\mid 2^n + 65$, we have the desired result.
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Why are N8s easier than N5s?

I claim the answer is $n=0$. Assume for contradiction that there exists a solution for $n > 0$.

Taking $\pmod{3}$ of the fractional expression, it is clear that $n$ must be odd (because otherwise $3$ divides the denominator but not the numerator). Let $(\tfrac{a}{b})$ denote the Jacobi symbol henceforth.

Note that $(5/3)^n \equiv 1 \pmod{2^n+65}$, and as $n$ is odd, it is clear that $5/3$ must be a quadratic residue (mod $2^n+65$). But:

\begin{align*}
\left(\frac{5/3}{2^n+65}\right) &= \left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right) \left(\frac{3^{-1}}{2^n+65}\right) \\
&= \left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right) \left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)
&= \left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right) \left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)
&= 1 \cdot \left(\frac{2}{5}\right)^n
&= 1 \cdot (-1)
&= -1,
\end{align*}a contradiction, and we conclude. $\blacksquare$
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lol what

Assume FTSOC that there does exist some $n$ such that $2^n+65\mid 5^n-3^n$. If $n$ is even, then $2^n+65$ is a multiple of $3$, impossible. So $n$ is odd.

Let $p$ be a prime dividing $2^n+65$. Obviously $p\not\in\{2,3,5\}$. Then
\[p\mid 2^n+65\mid 5^n-3^n\mid 15^n-9^n,\]so $15$ is a QR mod $p$.

By Quadratic Reciprocity,
\[\left(\frac{p}{3}\right)\left(\frac{p}{5}\right)=\left(\frac{15}{p}\right)\left(\frac{p}{15}\right)=(-1)^{(p-1)/2}.\]Caseworking, we get that $p$ mod $60$ is one of $S=\{1,7,11,17,43,49,53,59\}$. Under further inspection, we note that $S$ is closed under multiplication mod $60$, so $2^n+65$ mod $60$ is also in $S$. So $2^n$ mod $60$ is in
\[\{2,6,12,38,44,48,54,56\}.\]Since it must be a multiple of $4$ and not a multiple of $3$, it must be one of $\{44,56\}$. But that means $2^n$ is $1$ or $4$ mod $5$, impossible since $n$ is odd. $\blacksquare$
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BlazingMuddy
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May I give a small comment to the placement of this problem?

It seems that this problem is a kind of a problem that gets killed with one trick... Which reminds me of ISL 2017 N8. The difficulty in finding the trick is supposed to be what makes the problem an N8. The difference between this thing and ISL 2017 N8, in my opinion, is that the kind of trick that kills ISL 2017 N8 is something that might be too hard to find in a contest setting. Meanwhile this? I'm not so sure about that...

Anyways, let's replace $5$ and $65$ with arbitrary odd positive integers, say $A$ and $B$, and see how well this problem generalizes. For $n$ even, you want $3 \mid 2^n + B$, so $B \equiv 2 \pmod{3}$; also you want $3 \nmid A$. For $n = 1$, you just want $B + 2 \nmid A - 3$. For $n$ odd with $n > 1$, applying Jacobi symbol, you want that
$$ \left(\frac{A}{2^n + B}\right) = -\left(\frac{3}{2^n + B}\right) = (-1)^{(B + 1)/2} \left(\frac{2^n + B}{3}\right) = (-1)^{(B + 1)/2}. $$For a huge convenience, you also want $A \mid B$, so
$$ \left(\frac{A}{2^n + B}\right) = (-1)^{(A - 1)(B - 1)/4} \left(\frac{2}{A}\right). $$We can now pick $B \equiv 1 \pmod{4}$ and $A \equiv 3, 5 \pmod{8}$ (as in the original problem). In summary...
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If $A \equiv 3, 5 \pmod{8}$, $3 \nmid A$, $B \equiv 5 \pmod{12}$, $A \mid B$, and $B + 2 \nmid A - 3$, then $2^n + B$ does not divide $A^n - 3^n$ for any $n \geq 1$.
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If $A \equiv 3, 5 \pmod{8}$, $3 \nmid A$, $B \equiv 5 \pmod{12}$, and $A \mid B$, then $2^n + B$ does not divide $A^n - 3^n$ for any $n > 1$.
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Orthogonal.
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Huh.

Assume that there exists an $n$ such that $\frac{5^n-3^n}{2^n+65}$ is an integer. By taking mod $3$, $n$ must be odd. Clearly, $n=1$ fails. Let $\left (\frac{a}{b}\right)$ denote the Jacobi symbol. We then have that $$\frac{\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n+65}\right)}{\left(\frac{3^n}{2^n+65}\right)}=\frac{\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)}{\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)}=1.$$
But $$\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right) = 1$$and $$\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right) = -1,$$
a contradiction.
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Is this really difficult enough to be N8?
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Solution
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awesomeming327.
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We use the Jacobi symbol. Taking $\pmod 3$ forces $n$ odd. We have for $n\ge 3$
\[\left(\frac{5\cdot 3^{-1}}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)\left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right)=(-1)(1)=-1\]a contradiction because we need $5\cdot 3^{-1}\equiv 1\pmod {2^n+65}$.
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Here is the official answer proposed by IMO committee.
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I've just started pursuing math at this level, so I'm not at all good at all of this. With that being said, does anyone know if there is another way to solve this without the use of modules?
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Let's assume $n$ is even, then $3 \mid 2^n + 65$ but $3 \nmid 5^n - 3^n$ contradiction. Since $n \neq 1$ we get $n \ge 3$ odd number.

Now let's assume that $2^n + 65 \mid 5^n-3^n$ then we get $5^n \equiv 3^n ($mod $ 2^n+65)$ Now let us introduce the jaccobi symbol. We get

$$\left( \frac{5^n}{2^n+65} \right) = \left (\frac{3^n}{2^n+65} \right)$$
Now lets count them seperatly:
$$\left( \frac{3^n}{2^n+65} \right) = \prod_{i=1}^n \left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right)^n = \left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right) $$
But since $2^n + 65 \equiv 1 ($mod $ 4) $ we get $\left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right) = \left( \frac{2^n+65}{3} \right) = 1 $

$$\left( \frac{5^n}{2^n+65} \right) = \prod_{i=1}^n \left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right)^n = \left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right) $$
Since $5 \equiv 1 ($mod $  4)$ we get $\left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right) = \left( \frac{2^n+65}{5} \right)$

But $2^n \equiv 2;3 ($mod $ 5)$ and $5 \mid 65$ so $\left( \frac{2^n+65}{5} \right) = -1$ a contradiction
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tastymath75025 wrote:
Prove that $5^n-3^n$ is not divisible by $2^n+65$ for any positive integer $n$.
$\color{blue}\boxed{\textbf{Proof:}}$
$\color{blue}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
Here $\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)$ is the Jacobi symbol
Suppose there exists $n$ such that
$$2^n+65|5^n-3^n$$If $n=1\Rightarrow 67|2(\Rightarrow \Leftarrow)$
$$\Rightarrow n>1$$$\color{red}\boxed{\textbf{If n is even:}}$
$\color{red}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
$$\Rightarrow 2^n\equiv 1\pmod{3}$$$$\Rightarrow 2^n+65\equiv 0\pmod{3}$$$$\Rightarrow 3|5^n-3^n$$$$\Rightarrow 3|5^n(\Rightarrow \Leftarrow)$$$\color{red}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
$\color{red}\boxed{\textbf{If n is odd:}}$
$\color{red}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
$$2^n+65|5^n-3^n$$$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{5^n}{2^n+65} \right)=\left( \frac{3^n}{2^n+65} \right)$$$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right)^n=\left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right)^n$$$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{5}{2^n+65} \right)=\left( \frac{3}{2^n+65} \right)$$$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{2^n+65}{5} \right)(-1)^{\frac{(2^n+64)(4)}{4}}=\left( \frac{2^n+65}{3} \right)(-1)^{\frac{(2^n+64)(2)}{4}}$$Since $n>1\Rightarrow \frac{(2^n+64)(2)}{4}$ is even:
$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{2^n}{5} \right)=\left( \frac{2^n-1}{3} \right)$$$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{2(2^{n-1})}{5} \right)=\left( \frac{1}{3} \right)=1$$Since $n$ is odd $\Rightarrow 2^{n-1}$ is a perfect square
$$\Rightarrow \left( \frac{2}{5} \right)=1$$$$\Rightarrow -1=1(\Rightarrow \Leftarrow)$$$\color{red}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
$$\Rightarrow 2^n+65\nmid 5^n-3^n$$$\color{blue}\rule{24cm}{0.3pt}$
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pretty same as #2. n is odd . Let k= 2^n +65 then we have 5^n = 3^n mod k then (15/k)=1 this means (3/k)= (5/k) but we have (3/k) = 1 and (5/k) = -1 which is contradiction.
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Jacobi kills it, probably same as others.
ISL 2022 N8 wrote:
Prove that $2^n+65$ does not divide $5^n-3^n$ for any positive integer $n$
Clearly $n$ has to be odd, because if it is even then $3 \mid 2^n+65 \mid 5^n-3^n$ which is a contradiction, $5^n \equiv 3^n (\mod 2^n+65)$
then:
$\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)=-1$
$\left(\frac{3^n}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right)=1$
where the last 2 lines are in jacobi symbol. Contradiction...
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Assume $2^n + 65 \mid 5^n - 3^n$. If $n \equiv 0 (2)$, then $3 \mid 2^n + 65 \mid 5^n - 3^n$, a contradiction. Thus $n \equiv 1 (2)$. Now note that $\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n + 65} \right) = \left(\frac{3^n}{2^n + 65}\right)$. By using quadratic reciprocity law, we get $\left(\frac{3^n}{2^n + 65}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n + 65}{3^n}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n + 65}{3}\right)^n = \left(\frac{2^n + 65}{3}\right) = \left(\frac{1}{3}\right) = 1$.

But $\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n + 65}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n + 65}{5^n}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n + 65}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{2}{5}\right) = -1$, which is an evident contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Assume some $n$ works.

Obviously $n=1$ does not work for size reasons. And also even $n$ does not work because we get $3 \mid 2^n+65 \mid 5^n-3^n \implies 3 \mid 5$, which I think is wrong as far as I know.

See that we get \[\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{3^n}{2^n+65}\right) \iff \left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right) \iff \left(\frac{2^n+65}5\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}3 \right) \iff \left(\frac{2^n}5 \right)=\left(\frac{2^n-1}3\right)\]which is obviously false for odd $n$ because it implies $\left(\frac{2^n}5\right)=-1$ but $\left(\frac{2^n-1}3\right)=1$, a contradiction.
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First $n\ne 1$ clearly and $n\not\equiv 0\pmod 2$ by $\pmod 3.$ Now if $p\mid 5^n-3^n$ then $(5/3)^n\equiv 1\pmod n$ with $n$ odd, so $\left(\frac{5/3}p\right)=\left(\frac{15}p\right)=1.$ Now we must have $\left(\frac{15}{2^n+65}\right)=1,$ which is equivalent by QR to $\left(\frac{2^n+5}{15}\right)=1.$ But $2^n\equiv 2,8\pmod{15}$ for odd $n,$ and we can check $\left(\frac7{15}\right)=\left(\frac{13}{15}\right)=-1,$ contradiction.
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What's the motivation behind using the Jacobi symbol here?
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Can anyone solve it without Jacobi symbol?
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Clearly when $n$ is even we get a contradiction, so $n$ is odd and $n$ $\geq$ 3.

Now, using Jacobi's symbol we get

$\left(\frac{5^n}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)=-1$, and

$\left(\frac{3^n}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right)=\left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right)=1$.

But this two must be equal, then we have a contradiction.
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Solved on the recommendation of the orz Sammy27.
If $n$ is even then $A=2^n +65$ is divisible by $3$ which doesn't divide $5^n-3^n$.
Henceforth assume $n$ is odd. This implies $5^n \equiv 3^n(mod \ A) \implies \left( \frac{5^n}{A} \right) =\left( \frac{3^n}{A} \right)$.
Now since the jacobi function is multiplicative, we have $\left( \frac{5^n}{A} \right) = \left( \frac{5}{A} \right)= \left( \frac{A}{5} \right)=-1$
And $\left( \frac{3^n}{A} \right) = \left( \frac{3}{A} \right)= \left( \frac{A}{3} \right)=1$
Which is a contradiction, hence there's no solutions for any $n$.
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any sols without using jacobi?
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Claim: $n$ is odd
Note that $3\nmid 5^n-3^n$, hence $3 \nmid 2^n + 65$. As:
\[\left\{\begin{array}{cl}
             2^n \equiv 1&n \mbox{ odd}  \\
             2^n \equiv 2&n \mbox{ even} 
        \end{array}\right.\]$2^n+65\equiv 2^n+2 \equiv \{0,1\} \pmod{3}$ and for $2^n+65\equiv 1\pmod{3}$, we must have $n$ odd.
Therefore, looking at $\pmod{5}$, we have:
\[\left\{\begin{array}{cc}
         2^n\equiv2&n\equiv1\pmod{4}  \\
         2^n\equiv4&n\equiv2\pmod{4}  \\
         2^n\equiv3&n\equiv3\pmod{4}  \\
         2^n\equiv1&n\equiv4\pmod{4}  \\
    \end{array}\right.\]and as $n$ is odd, $2^n \equiv 2,3 \pmod{5}$
We now rewrite $(\frac{5}{3})^n\equiv1 \pmod{2^n+65}$, consequently $(\frac{5}{3})^{n+1}\equiv \frac{5}{3} \pmod{2^n+65}$, implying $\frac{5}{3}$ is $QR$ $\pmod{2^n + 65}$.
Nonetheless:\[\left( \frac{(\frac{5}{3})}{2^n +65}\right) \equiv \left( \frac{5}{3}\right)\left( \frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)\equiv \left( \frac{2^n+65}{5}\right)\equiv\left( \frac{\{2,3\}}{5}\right)\]but: \[\left( \frac{2}{5}\right), \left( \frac{3}{5}\right)\equiv -1\]therefore as: \[\left( \frac{(\frac{5}{3})}{2^n +65})\right)=\prod_{p\mid 2^n +65}\left(\frac{(\frac{5}{3})}{p}\right)\]there exists $p\mid 2^n +65$ prime such that $(\frac{5}{3})$ isn't $QR$ $\pmod{p}$, contradicting the fact that $(\frac{5}{3})$ is $QR$ $\pmod{2^n +65}$
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the answer is no solutions
If $n$ is even, then $3\mid65 + 2^n\mid 5^n-3^n,$ contradiction
Thus, $n$ is odd. Specifically, we can get that $5^{2k + 1} \equiv 3^{2k +1}\pmod{2^n + 65}.$ This implies $15$ is a quadratic residue modulo $2^n + 65.$ However,
\begin{align*}
\left(\frac{15}{2^n+65}\right) & = \left(\frac{5}{2^n+65}\right)\left(\frac{3}{2^n+65}\right) \\
& = \left(\frac{5}{2^n}\right) = -1
\end{align*}which is a contradiction.
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Assume toward a contradiction $n$ works.

Claim: $n$ is odd.
Proof: Assume toward a contradiction $n$ is even. Then, $3\mid 2^n+65$, but $3\nmid 5^n-3^n$. $\blacksquare$

Let $p$ be a prime factor of $2^n+65$. Then,
\[\left(\frac{5}{p}\right) = \left(\frac{5^n}{p}\right) = \left(\frac{3^n}{p}\right) = \left(\frac{3}{p}\right).\]
Let $a$ and $b$ be positive integers such that $ab = 2^n+65$ and every prime factor of $a$ is $1\pmod{4}$ and every prime factor of $b$ is $3\pmod{4}$.

Let $p\mid a$. Then, by quadratic reciprocity, $\left(\frac{p}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{5}{p}\right) = \left(\frac{3}{p}\right) = \left(\frac{p}{3}\right)$.

Let $p\mid b$. Then, by quadratic reciprocity, $\left(\frac{q}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{5}{q}\right) = \left(\frac{3}{q}\right) = -\left(\frac{q}{3}\right)$.

Let $b=p_1\dots p_k$ with $p_1,\dots, p_k$ prime.
Because $1\equiv 2^n+65\equiv ab\equiv b \equiv p_1\dots p_k \equiv 3^k\pmod{4}$, $k$ is even.
So, we have
\[\left(\frac{b}{5}\right) = \prod_{i=1}^k \left(\frac{p_i}{5}\right) = \prod_{i=1}^k -\left(\frac{p_i}{3}\right) =  \prod_{i=1}^k \left(\frac{p_i}{3}\right) = \left(\frac{b}{3}\right).\]By similar logic, $\left(\frac{a}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{a}{3}\right)$. Multiplying, we get $\left(\frac{2^n+65}{5}\right) = \left(\frac{2^n+65}{3}\right)$.

However, since $n$ is odd, the LHS is $-1$ and the RHS is $1$, a contradiction.
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