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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
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Sep 9, 2019
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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
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If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
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[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
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ZetaX
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Easy P4 combi game with nt flavour
Maths_VC   1
N 2 hours ago by p.lazarov06
Source: Serbia JBMO TST 2025, Problem 4
Two players, Alice and Bob, play the following game, taking turns. In the beginning, the number $1$ is written on the board. A move consists of adding either $1$, $2$ or $3$ to the number written on the board, but only if the chosen number is coprime with the current number (for example, if the current number is $10$, then in a move a player can't choose the number $2$, but he can choose either $1$ or $3$). The player who first writes a perfect square on the board loses. Prove that one of the players has a winning strategy and determine who wins in the game.
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Maths_VC
May 27, 2025
p.lazarov06
2 hours ago
Central sequences
EeEeRUT   14
N 3 hours ago by HamstPan38825
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An infinite increasing sequence $a_1 < a_2 < a_3 < \cdots$ of positive integers is called central if for every positive integer $n$ , the arithmetic mean of the first $a_n$ terms of the sequence is equal to $a_n$.

Show that there exists an infinite sequence $b_1, b_2, b_3, \dots$ of positive integers such that for every central sequence $a_1, a_2, a_3, \dots, $ there are infinitely many positive integers $n$ with $a_n = b_n$.
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EeEeRUT
Apr 16, 2025
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Elementary Problems Compilation
Saucepan_man02   32
N 4 hours ago by atdaotlohbh
Could anyone send some elementary problems, which have tricky and short elegant methods to solve?

For example like this one:
Solve over reals: $$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2  -ab-bc-cd-d +2/5=0$$
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atdaotlohbh
4 hours ago
Random Points = Problem
kingu   5
N 4 hours ago by happypi31415
Source: Chinese Geometry Handout
Let $ABC$ be a triangle. Let $\omega$ be a circle passing through $B$ intersecting $AB$ at $D$ and $BC$ at $F$. Let $G$ be the intersection of $AF$ and $\omega$. Further, let $M$ and $N$ be the intersections of $FD$ and $DG$ with the tangent to $(ABC)$ at $A$. Now, let $L$ be the second intersection of $MC$ and $(ABC)$. Then, prove that $M$ , $L$ , $D$ , $E$ and $N$ are concyclic.
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kingu
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happypi31415
4 hours ago
Combo resources
Fly_into_the_sky   1
N 4 hours ago by Fly_into_the_sky
Ok so i never did combinatorics in my life :oops: and i am willing to be able to do P1/P4 combos (or even more)
So yeah how can i start from scratch?
Remark:i don't want compuational combo resources :noo:
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Fly_into_the_sky
4 hours ago
Fly_into_the_sky
4 hours ago
Very odd geo
Royal_mhyasd   2
N 5 hours ago by Royal_mhyasd
Source: own (i think)
nevermind
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Yesterday at 6:10 PM
Royal_mhyasd
5 hours ago
Polynomial Application Sequences and GCDs
pieater314159   46
N 5 hours ago by cursed_tangent1434
Source: ELMO 2019 Problem 1, 2019 ELMO Shortlist N1
Let $P(x)$ be a polynomial with integer coefficients such that $P(0)=1$, and let $c > 1$ be an integer. Define $x_0=0$ and $x_{i+1} = P(x_i)$ for all integers $i \ge 0$. Show that there are infinitely many positive integers $n$ such that $\gcd (x_n, n+c)=1$.

Proposed by Milan Haiman and Carl Schildkraut
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cursed_tangent1434
5 hours ago
c^a + a = 2^b
Havu   10
N 5 hours ago by Havu
Find $a, b, c\in\mathbb{Z}^+$ such that $a,b,c$ coprime, $a + b = 2c$ and $c^a + a = 2^b$.
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Havu
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Own made functional equation
JARP091   0
5 hours ago
Source: Own (Maybe?)
\[
\text{Find all functions } f : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \text{ such that:} \\
f(a^4 + a^2b^2 + b^4) = f\left((a^2 - f(ab) + b^2)(a^2 + f(ab) + b^2)\right)
\]
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JARP091
5 hours ago
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Serbian selection contest for the IMO 2025 - P6
OgnjenTesic   16
N 6 hours ago by JARP091
Source: Serbian selection contest for the IMO 2025
For an $n \times n$ table filled with natural numbers, we say it is a divisor table if:
- the numbers in the $i$-th row are exactly all the divisors of some natural number $r_i$,
- the numbers in the $j$-th column are exactly all the divisors of some natural number $c_j$,
- $r_i \ne r_j$ for every $i \ne j$.

A prime number $p$ is given. Determine the smallest natural number $n$, divisible by $p$, such that there exists an $n \times n$ divisor table, or prove that such $n$ does not exist.

Proposed by Pavle Martinović
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OgnjenTesic
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JARP091
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equal segments on radiuses
danepale   8
N 6 hours ago by zuat.e
Source: Croatia TST 2016
Let $ABC$ be an acute triangle with circumcenter $O$. Points $E$ and $F$ are chosen on segments $OB$ and $OC$ such that $BE = OF$. If $M$ is the midpoint of the arc $EOA$ and $N$ is the midpoint of the arc $AOF$, prove that $\sphericalangle ENO + \sphericalangle OMF = 2 \sphericalangle BAC$.
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danepale
Apr 25, 2016
zuat.e
6 hours ago
Inequality
SunnyEvan   8
N 6 hours ago by arqady
Let $a$, $b$, $c$ be non-negative real numbers, no two of which are zero. Prove that :
$$ \sum \frac{3ab-2bc+3ca}{3b^2+bc+3c^2} \geq \frac{12}{7}$$
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SunnyEvan
Apr 1, 2025
arqady
6 hours ago
Inequality conjecture
RainbowNeos   2
N 6 hours ago by RainbowNeos
Show (or deny) that there exists an absolute constant $C>0$ that, for all $n$ and $n$ positive real numbers $x_i ,1\leq i \leq n$, there is
\[\sum_{i=1}^n \frac{x_i^2}{\sum_{j=1}^i x_j}\geq C \ln n\left(\prod_{i=1}^n x_i\right)^{\frac{1}{n}}\]
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RainbowNeos
May 29, 2025
RainbowNeos
6 hours ago
2- player game on a strip of n squares with two game pieces
parmenides51   2
N 6 hours ago by Gggvds1
Source: 2023 Austrian Mathematical Olympiad, Junior Regional Competition , Problem 3
Alice and Bob play a game on a strip of $n \ge  3$ squares with two game pieces. At the beginning, Alice’s piece is on the first square while Bob’s piece is on the last square. The figure shows the starting position for a strip of $ n = 7$ squares.
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The players alternate. In each move, they advance their own game piece by one or two squares in the direction of the opponent’s piece. The piece has to land on an empty square without jumping over the opponent’s piece. Alice makes the first move with her own piece. If a player cannot move, they lose.

For which $n$ can Bob ensure a win no matter how Alice plays?
For which $n$ can Alice ensure a win no matter how Bob plays?

(Karl Czakler)
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parmenides51
Mar 26, 2024
Gggvds1
6 hours ago
A masterpiece
harazi   38
N Feb 14, 2025 by ihategeo_1969
Source: problem 10674 AMM, created by Marius Cavachi
Someone gave me the following extraordinary problem:
Let a,b>1 be integers such that for all n>0 we have a^n-1|b^n-1. Then b is a natural power of a. I can't find a solution.
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harazi
Mar 9, 2004
ihategeo_1969
Feb 14, 2025
A masterpiece
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Source: problem 10674 AMM, created by Marius Cavachi
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Someone gave me the following extraordinary problem:
Let a,b>1 be integers such that for all n>0 we have a^n-1|b^n-1. Then b is a natural power of a. I can't find a solution.
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This is indeed a difficult problem, which has been proposed as ex. 10674 in the A.M.M. It seems that only the proposer provided a solution (see. vol.107, Aug.-Sept. 2000, p. 654), which is probably impossible to find....
It is not easy to write it here, so I will give it only if you cannot reach the above reference.

Pierre.
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No, I cannot find that reference and I would be most glad if you could post a solution.
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Ok, let's go (I have interchanged a and b, but it is too late....i will not write it again...) :

Define a sequence (Q_k) of polynomials with deg(Q_k) \leq k by Q_0 = -1, and
Q_(k+1)(x) = b <sup>k+1</sup> (x-1)Q_k(bx) - a(b <sup>k+1</sup>x - 1)Q_k(x) for k \geq 0.
Observe that Q_(k+1)(0) = (a - b <sup>k+1</sup> )Q_k(0). Iterating this and employing Q_0 = -1 leads to
Q_k(0) = -(a - b <sup>k</sup> )(a - b <sup>k-1</sup> )...(a - b).
Assume that a = b <sup>j</sup> for every non-negative integer j, so that Q_k(0) =/=0.
We will obtain a contradiction by identifying a k such that Q_k is identically 0.

Let r_(0,n) = (a <sup>n</sup> - 1)/(b <sup>n</sup> - 1) for n > 0.
By assumption r_(0,n) is an integer.
For k \geq 0 define r_(k+1,n) recursively by :
r_(k+1,n) = b <sup>k+1</sup> r_(k,n+1) - a*r_(k,n).
Let p_0 = 1 and p_(k+1) = a(1 - b <sup>k+1</sup> )p_k.

By induction on k it follows for n \geq 1 and k \geq 0 that :
r_(k,n) = [a <sup>n</sup> p_k + Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> )]/[(b <sup>n+k</sup> - 1)(b <sup>n+k-1</sup> - 1)...(b <sup>n</sup> - )]

Now fix k so that b <sup>k</sup> < a < b <sup>k+1</sup> . Since :
(b <sup>n</sup> - 1)(b <sup>n+1</sup> - 1)...(b <sup>n+k</sup> - 1) = b <sup>n(k+1)</sup> (1 - b <sup>-n</sup> )(b - b <sup>-n</sup> )...(b <sup>k</sup> - b <sup>-n</sup> ) \geq b <sup>n(k+1)</sup> /2,
we see that
|r_(k,n)| \leq |a <sup>n</sup> p_k + Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> )|/[b <sup>n(k+1)</sup> /2] \leq 2( |p_k|(a/b <sup>k+1</sup> ) <sup>n</sup> + |Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> )|/(b <sup>n</sup> ) <sup>k+1</sup> ). (*)

Since a < b <sup>k+1</sup> and deg(Q_k) < k+1, the rightmost expression in (*) is bounded above by 1 when n is sufficiently large. Thus r_(k,n) = 0 for large n, since it is an integer. For all large n, this yields
a <sup>n</sup> p_k + Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> ) = 0 and thus p_k(a/b <sup>k</sup> ) <sup>n</sup> + Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> )/(b <sup>n</sup> ) <sup>k</sup> = 0.
This forces p_k = 0, since otherwise the lefts side is unbounded as n - > +oo. We now conclude that Q_k(b <sup>n</sup> ) = 0 for all n and thus Q_k is the zero polynomial, and we are done.

Pierre.
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Oh, my God! From where did he take those? My ideas ar the following:
Suppose that b is not a power f a and take k=[log(base a) b]. Then a^k<b<a^(k+1). Put b^n-1=x_n(a^n-1). I've manged to show that we can find some non-zero constants C-k,...,C-0 such that for all sufficiently large n we have C_k*x_(n+k)+C_(k-1)*x_(n+k-1)+...+C_1*x_n+1+C_0=0. But I don't know how to continue. Help!
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Who was the proposer of this question in the A.M.M.?
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proposed by Marius Cavachi of romania.
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Wow! I didn't know that. I know Marius Cavachi has extremely difficult problems, but this one is the hardest of them all. He is really the teacher with the hardest proposed problems in our country.
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Look what I did. Maybe someone knows how to continue.
Let us choose k such that a^k<b<a^(k+1). Define x_n=(b^n-1)/(a^n-1) and r_1=b/a, r_2=b/a^2,...,r_k=b/a^k. Then we have the identity:
x_n=[b^n-a^kn]/[a^kn(a^n-1)]+ \sum (r_i)^n. Take the sequence a_n= \sum (r_i)^n and consider also the polynomial P(X)=(X-r_1)...(x-r_k). Then if we denote C=k(k+1)/2, we find that:
a_n-( \sum r_i)a_(n-1)+....+(-1)^kr_1*...*r_k*a_(n-k)=0. But we can easily see looking at the polynomial that \sum r_i,..., r_1*...*r_k are of the form T/C, with T an integer. Thus, if we write S_1=C*(- \sum r_i),...
S_k=C(-1)^kr_1*...*r_k, we find that S_1,...,S_k are integers and also that Ca_n+S_1a_(n-1)+...+...+S_ka_(n-k). But from the first identity we can see that the sequence x_n-a_n goes to 0. Then so does the sequence
C(a_n-x_n)+....+S_k(a_n-a_(n-k)). Thus the sequence Cx_n+...+S_k*x_(n-k) goes to 0 and it's formed by integers. Therefore we can find n_0 such that whenever n>n_0 this last sequence is 0. But I cannot find a contradiction from this assertion.
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Does everybody think that this idea cannot lead to a solution? I still hope, but I still can't prove that. Any ideas?
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It can also be solved in an entirely different way. Specifically, pick an arbitrary prime $p>a$, and let $n$ be the order of $a$ modulo $p$. Since $p$ divides $a^n-1$, it must also divide $b^n - 1$. But as $a$ has order $n$ modulo $p$, $b$ has to be a power of $a$ modulo $p$ (that is, the congruence $b \equiv a^x \pmod{p}$ is solvable). We conclude that $b$ is a power of $a$ modulo all sufficiently large primes. It is then a well-known result of A. Schinzel (proven easily with the Chebotarev density theorem) that $b$ must be a power of $a$, which is the assertion of our problem.

In fact, this argument proves a stronger claim: Let $S \subset \mathbb{N}$ be a set that intersects all (infinite) integer arithmetic progressions. If, for all $n \in S$, the set of prime divisors of $a^n - 1$ is a subset of those of $b^n-1$, then $b$ is a power of $a$.

--Vesselin
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Yes, vess, if we throw the atomic bomb on it, it works even if we suppose that the divisibility relation holds for infinitely many values of n, but who can prove this result? I've read in an article that this is true, but they say the proof is monstruous. Probably for you is easy, since you are expert in this field, but do not ask anyone to be.
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harazi wrote:
Someone gave me the following extraordinary problem:
Let a,b>1 be integers such that for all n>0 we have a^n-1|b^n-1. Then b is a natural power of a. I can't find a solution.
Well, I think using Cyclotomical polynomials, Eulerphi function and modular theory this problem is TRIVIAL :D :D :D so read my problem in the FORUM, and try to use it!

Best Regards.

RX TCM
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Excuse me, great genius of number theory, for such a trivial problem. Probably, since it seems there is no problem enough difficult for you you can start thinking about great unsolved problems in nulber theory. Probably they are not so trivial. It seems that all readers of AMM and many mathlinkers are too idiot.
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Guys, guys, guys settle down. Untill we see proof, disregard RobertuX statement of the problem above being trivial. Maybe he mis-understood the problem ;) Let's not be harsh with each other here, shall we? :)
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harazi wrote:
I've manged to show that we can find some non-zero constants C-k,...,C-0 such that for all sufficiently large n we have C_k*x_(n+k)+C_(k-1)*x_(n+k-1)+...+C_1*x_n+1+C_0=0. But I don't know how to continue. Help!

But you have already done most of the work! :? Perhaps you have already finished the proof from here, but anyway, here it goes:

You have proven that, for $n>n_0$, the $x_n$ take the form
\[
x_n = c_1\alpha_1^n + c_2\alpha_2^n + \cdots + c_s\alpha_s^n,
\]
where $\alpha_1,\ldots,\alpha_s \in \mathbb{C}^*$ are pairwise different non-zero complex numbers, and the $c_i$ are (non-zero) constants. Hence, for every $n > n_0$, we have the identity
\[
b^n -  1 = (a^n - 1) x_n = \sum c_i(a\alpha_i)^n - \sum c_i \alpha_i^n, 
\]
i.e.
\[ (*) \quad
b^n - 1^n - \sum c_i(a\alpha_i)^n + \sum c_i \alpha_i^n = 0 \quad \forall \, n>n_0.
\]
Now, the following simple assertion, which is an immediate corollary of the properties of the Vandermonde determinant, has received at least two other solutions in this forum:

If $y_1,\ldots,y_r \in \mathbb{C}^*$ are pairwise different non-zero complex numbers and $b_1,\ldots,b_r$ are constants satisfying $b_1y_1^n + \cdots + b_ry_r^n = 0$ for all $n>n_0$, then $b_1 =\cdots =b_r = 0$.

Now, as the constants $c_i$ are assumed to be non-zero and $a>1$, (*) implies that there is an $i_0$ such that $\alpha_{i_0} = 1$, and there is a $j_0$ such that $a\alpha_{j_0} = b$ (otherwise, the coefficients of $1^n$ and of $b^n$ are $-1 \neq 0$ and $1 \neq 0$, respectively, and we get a contradiction with the above assertion). Furthermore, because the $\alpha_i$ are pairwise different, every $\alpha_i$ with $i \neq i_0$ must appear as some $a\alpha_{i'}$, and also conversely: each $a\alpha_j$ with $j \neq j_0$ must appear as some $\alpha_{j'}$. We conclude that the following sets coincide:
\[
\big\{ \alpha_i \mid i \neq i_0 \big\} \equiv \big\{ a\alpha_j \mid j \neq j_0 \big\}.
\]
As $\alpha_{i_0} = 1$, it is easy to conclude from here that $\{ \alpha_1,\ldots,\alpha_s \} = \{1,a,a^2,\ldots,a^{s-1}\}$. Hence, $b = a\alpha_{j_0}$ is a power of $a$ (actually, it is $a^s$), as claimed. QED

--Vesselin
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To Valentin: I consider a little lack of respect considering a problem that did not received solutions from the readers of AMM as being trivial. Anyway, I apologise for the tone.
To vess: yes, vess, I have already found the continuation of the solution. Thus, we have another solution to this magnificient problem.
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harazi wrote:
To Valentin: I consider a little lack of respect considering a problem that did not received solutions from the readers of AMM as being trivial. Anyway, I apologise for the tone.
Of course Harazi. It is possible for this to be just a language / problem misunderstanding (which I think is the case here), in which case there is no need to argue one with each other :). With this post, let us end the off-topic, and continue posting regarding this indeed marvelous problem ;)
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This is a really nice and hard problem, with an excellent solution. But i wonder that we could have an arithmetical solution ? We can see that every prime divisors of b is divide a and if a is divide b then b is a power of a. Is it can be continued ?
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Yes, the problem does admit a solution with algebraic number theory. The key is that it suffices to show that, for any prime $\ell$, there exist $j = j(\ell),c =c(\ell)$ such that $b = a^jc^{\ell}$. For $\ell = 2$, for example, it is easily seen that if $b$ does not have the form $a^jc^2$, then there exists a prime $p$ such that $\Big( \frac{a}{p} \Big)=1, \Big( \frac{b}{p}  \Big) = -1$, and taking $n = \frac{p-1}{2}$ contradicts $a^n - 1 \mid b^n - 1$. Try generalizing this idea for any $\ell$.
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Yeah, when i solved this problem, i see that if $b^n-1$ is divisible by $a^n+1$ then $b$ is a even power of $a$. That means $b^n-1$ is divisible by $a^n+1$ with every n then $b^n-1$ is divisible by $a^n-1$ with every $n$. What do you think ?
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zscool wrote:
proposed by Marius Cavachi of romania.
Is he really the author of this problem?

Actually this problem was published in russian book

В.А.Садовничий, А.А.Григорьян, С.В.Конягин "Задачи студенческих математических олимпиад"
("Problems of mathematical olympiads for university students")

back in 1987 as a problem 27 in the section 4.1. But there is nothing said about who is its author. BTW, solution from that book is quoted here.
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Well, after the problem about $a^n+n|b^n+n$ was given at ROM TST /Taiwan TST 2006 (and you can guess that also somewhere else), it's natural to ask for the following generalisation, which is done by the same method:

If $p,q \in \mathbb{Z}[X]$ with $a^n-p(n)|b^n-p(n)$ for all sufficiently big $n$, then $b=a^k, q=p^k$,
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maxal wrote:
Actually this problem was published in russian book

В.А.Садовничий, А.А.Григорьян, С.В.Конягин "Задачи студенческих математических олимпиад"
("Problems of mathematical olympiads for university students")

back in 1987 as a problem 27 in the section 4.1. But there is nothing said about who is its author. BTW, solution from that book is quoted here.

I would be very appreciate if someone could explain for me this argument:
" In the case $k=1$ we have that for n sufficiently large $qm_{n+1}-pm_{n}=0$, $m_{n} <>0$ this implies that $q=1$"
Please help me! :(
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Gibbenergy wrote:
I would be very appreciate if someone could explain for me this argument:
" In the case $k=1$ we have that for n sufficiently large $qm_{n+1}-pm_{n}=0$, $m_{n} <>0$ this implies that $q=1$"
Please help me! :(
Let $t$ be any positive integer. We have
$qm_{n+1} = p m_n$
$qm_{n+2} = p m_{n+1}$
...
$qm_{n+t+1} = p m_{n+t}$
Multiplying them up we have $q^t m_{n+t+1} = p^t m_n$ meaning that $q^t\mid m_n$.
Since $t$ is arbitrary and $m_n\ne 0$, it must be $q=1$.
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in the opuz0405.pdf

In the induction, we can get $x_{1},x_{2},\ldots,x_{k-1}\in\mathbb{Z}$ but how can we get $x_{k}\in\mathbb{Z}$? And where do we need $x_{1},x_{2},\ldots,x_{k}\geq 1$? (Actually we need it I think)
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shalex wrote:
in the opuz0405.pdf
In the induction, we can get $x_{1},x_{2},\ldots,x_{k-1}\in\mathbb{Z}$ but how can we get $x_{k}\in\mathbb{Z}$?
Choice of $x_{k}=p/q$ was rather arbitrary.
Applying the same arguments to $x_{1}=p/q,$ one can get that $x_{2},\ldots,x_{k}\in\mathbb{Z}.$
shalex wrote:
And where do we need $x_{1},x_{2},\ldots,x_{k}\geq 1$?
To get $m_{n}\ne 0.$
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btw, this is Cavachi's proof:
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A very similar problem but about integral functions instead of integers:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h136198
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vess wrote:
The congruence $b \equiv a^{x}\pmod{p}$ is solvable. We conclude that $b$ is a power of $a$ modulo all sufficiently large primes. It is then a well-known result of A. Schinzel (proven easily with the Chebotarev density theorem) that $b$ must be a power of $a$.

I'd like to see if the following elementary proof of this "well-known result" is correct, just to have a completely elementary proof of the whole problem:

The equation is solvable for every prime such that $(a,p)=1$, so it is solvable for every positive integer such that $(a,n)=1$

Let $n=a^{c}-1$ for a positive integer $c$ such that $a^{c}-1>b$

Obviously $c=ord_{n}(a)$ so there is a nonnegative integer $x<c$ such that $n|a^{x}-b$ but since $-n<a^{x}-b<n$, then we have $a^{x}-b=0$ that is our thesis.


EDIT: ops Vess, you are right, it works only if $(ord_{q}(a),ord_{p}(a))=1$
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piever wrote:
The equation is solvable for every prime such that $(a,p)=1$, so it is solvable for every positive integer such that $(a,n)=1$

Not so obvious! How, for instance, the existence of $x,y$ with $b \equiv a^{x}\mod{p}$ and $b \equiv a^{y}\mod{q}$ yields a $z$ with $b \equiv a^{z}\mod{pq}$? An example such as $b = 4, a =-1, p = 3, q = 5$ show that the first two propositions do not imply the third: we have $4 \equiv (-1)^{0}\pmod{3}, 4 \equiv (-1)^{1}\pmod{5}$, but $4 \equiv (-1)^{z}\pmod{15}$ is not solvable.


What you do show is this weaker statement: if the congruence $b \equiv a^{x}\pmod{n}$ is solvable for all $n$ coprime to any given $D$, then $b$ is a power of $a$.
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For generalisations and analogues for abelian schmes and odd-dimensional Quillen $ K$-theory groups of algebraic number fields see http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.1991 and the references given there.
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A more general statement: "if $a^n-1$ divides $b^n-1$ for infinitely many integers $n$, then $b$ is a power of $a$" is proved in the paper http://www.emis.de/journals/JTNB/2005-1/pages423-435.pdf
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I think they have a proof in the last example of chapter 17 of PFTB.
It is amazing how a number theory problem has such a not number theory solution! (See post #28) How in the world would anyone come up with such a solution?
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Reason: Edit: Chapter 17, not Chapter 15
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vess wrote:
It is then a well-known result of A. Schinzel (proven easily with the Chebotarev density theorem) that $b$ must be a power of $a$, which is the assertion of our problem.

Sorry, but can someone post a solution to this using Chebotarev density theorem? Thank you very much!
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Solution from 1 year ago?
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Here's an elaboration of the above solution (for my own benefit, since I suck at NT)

Step 1: Prove that $\text{rad}(b)\mid \text{rad}(a)$.
Proof: If $p\mid b$ then $p\nmid b^n-1\implies p\nmid a^n-1\implies p\mid a$. So (maybe a hard skill?) $b\mid a^m$ for large $m$.

Step 2: Prove that for an odd prime power $p^k$ all solutions to
\[b^{\text{ord}_{p^k}(a)}\equiv 1\pmod {p^k}\]are exponents of $a$.
Proof: I probably overcomplicated this (not good at NT intuition, rip). Let's set $a=g^e$ for primitive root $g$ and $b=g^f$, then
\[f\cdot \text{ord}_{p^k}(a)=f\cdot \frac{p^k-1}{\gcd(e,p^k-1)}\]is an integer, hence $\gcd(e,p^k-1)\mid f$ is necessary and sufficient, and yet this is equivalent to having $(g^e)^c\equiv g^f\pmod {p^k}$ for some $c$.

Step 3: Use polynomials, a useful hard skill.
Proof: Well, since $b$ satisfies the equation in Step 2, there's always some $b-a^e$ which is divisible by $p^k$. I find this hard to motivate, but it anyway implies
\[a^n-1\mid \prod_{e=0}^{n-1}(b-a^e)\]where $\nu_2$ analysis is trivial (since $a,b$ are both odd). (Possible motivation: since $b-a^e$ will be divisible by $p^k$ and the product of the prime powers forms the odd part of $a^n-1$, we have the LHS. But $e$ varies, so we should multiply together to get the RHS. I think you just have to push it and hope for the best.)

Step 4: Bound degree, another useful hard skill. Bounding in general is nice.
Okay, at this point we want to bound degree (heuristically, size arguments should work). First realize that distinct irreducible polynomials are relatively prime. Since the LHS has too small degree as a polynomial of $a$, and the RHS is fixed if we decrease $n$, we might as well try to multiply together a bunch of irreducible polynomials (hopefully this step becomes more natural as I improve). So let's take the cyclotomic polynomials $\Phi_t(a)$ for $1\le t\le n$. We should get
\[\prod_{t=1}^n \Phi_t(a)^{\lfloor \frac{n}{t}\rfloor}\mid \prod_{e=0}^{n-1}(b-a^e)\]and now the degrees match, and yet the RHS should be divided further by $b^{n-C}\ge a^{n-C}$ from Step 1. Hence the LHS has "larger" degree (grows faster) so the expression in the RHS is $0$, meaning $b$ is a power of $a$.

Wow that's kind of hard. Probably beyond my skill level right now, most of the ideas are totally new to me and I have no experience with intpoly. :(
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Let $a,b>1$ be integers such that for all $n>0$ we have $a^n-1 \mid b^n-1$. Then $b$ is a natural power of $a$.

I will present tree different possible solutions to this remarkable problem.

We being by the solutions that will use of size considerations, i.e, $\frac{b^n - 1}{a^n - 1}$ should grow like sum of $\frac{b^n}{a^{i^n}}$ for $1 \le i \le \log_{a}(b)$.


First Solution (with an overkill lemma). In fact, the above observation is very strong, we will use it with Zhero's Lemma (I lack a better name for it) used in the 2009 ISL N7 solution (I just copied the proof and the lemma directly XD).

Zhero's Lemma. Let $x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_n$ be distinct rationals, and let $c_1, c_2, \ldots, c_n$ be real numbers. Then if there exists a sequence of integers $s_1, s_2, \ldots$ so that $\lim_{k \to \infty} [ s_k - (c_1 x_1^k + c_2 x_2^k + \ldots + c_n x_n^k)] = 0$, then each $x_i$ with absolute value not less than 1 must be an integer.

Proof. It is clear that it is sufficient to prove this when $|x_i| \geq 1$ for all $i$. Let $q_k = c_1 x_1^k + c_2 x_2^k + \ldots + c_n x_n^k$, and let $d_k = s_k - q_k$. We induct on $n$. When $n = 1$, let $x = \frac{p}{q}$. Then
\begin{align*}
qs_{k+1} - ps_k
&= q\left (d_{k+1} + c_1 \frac{p^{k+1}}{q^{k+1}} - p \left (d_k + c_1 \frac{p^k}{q^k} \right) \right) \\
&= q d_{k+1} - p d_k.
\end{align*}$\lim_{k \to \infty} (qd_{k+1} - p d_k) = 0$, so $\lim_{n \to \infty} (qs_{k+1} - ps_k) = 0$. But $qs_{k+1} - ps_k$ is always an integer, so we find that $qs_{k+1} = p s_k$ for all sufficiently large $k$. Hence, for some $k$ and all nonnegative $i$, $s_{k+i} = \left(\frac{p}{q}\right)^i s_k$, But $s_{k+i}$ is always a nonzero integer for $k$ sufficiently large (since $c_i x_1^k$ is unbounded and $s_k - c_i x_1^k$ converges), so we must have $q=1$.

We will now show that if the result is true for some $n$, then it is also true for $n+1$. Let $x_{n+1} = \frac{p_{n+1}}{q_{n+1}}$. Then
\begin{align*}
q_{n+1} s_{k+1} - p_{n+1} s_k
&= q_{n+1} \left (d_{k+1} + c_{n+1} \frac{p_{n+1}^{k+1}}{q_{n+1}^{k+1}} + \sum_{i=1}^n c_i x_i^{k+1} \right) - p_{n+1} \left (d_k + c_{n+1} \frac{p_{n+1}^k}{q_{n+1}^k} + \sum_{i=1}^n c_i x_i^k \right) \\
&= (q_{n+1} d_{k+1} - p_{n+1} d_k) + \sum_{i=1}^n (q_{n+1} x_i c_i - p_{n+1} c_i) x_i^k.
\end{align*}Hence,
\[ \lim_{k \to \infty}  \left [ (q_{n+1} s_{k+1} - p_{n+1} s_k ) -\sum_{i=1}^n (q_{n+1} x_i c_i - p_{n+1} c_i) x_i^k \right ] = \lim_{k \to \infty} \left [ q_{n+1} d_{k+1} - p_{n+1} d_k  \right] = 0\],
so if we define $s_k' = q_{n+1} s_{k+1} - p_{n+1} s_k$ and $c_i' = q_{n+1} x_i c_i - p_{n+1} c_i$, we may apply the inductive hypothesis to find that each $x_i$, $1 \leq i \leq n$, is an integer. By symmetry (e.g., by isolating $x_1$ instead of $x_{n+1}$), we may conclude that $x_{n+1}$ is an integer as well.

To see this can be applied in our case, notice that
\[x_n = \frac{b^n-1}{a^n-1} = \sum_{i=1}^{\log_a(b)}\left(\frac{b}{a^i}\right)^n + \mathcal{O}(\frac{b^n}{a^{n\log_a(b)}})- \frac{1}{a^n-1}\]so, we can use the lemma to conclude that
\[\frac{b^n-1}{a^n-1} = \sum_{i=1}^{\log_a(b)}\left(\frac{b}{a^i}\right)^n\]and in particular $a \mid b$, writing $b = ac$, we have that it is also true that $a^{n} - 1 \mid c^n-1$ for all $n$. So we are done.

Remark. To use the above lemma, we can also try to use the following idea (this part of a solution by Zoroastro, a teacher in Brazil) $\sum_{i=1}^{\log_a(b)}\left(\frac{b}{a^i}\right)^n$ is the sum of some geometric progressions with ratio $\frac{b}{a^i}$, then it will also satisfy a linear recurrence $(y_n)_{n \ge 1}$ with the coeffiecients being of the integer polynomial $P(X) = a^{\frac{\log_{a}(b)(\log_{a}(b)+1)}{2}}(X-\frac{b}{a^1})\cdots(X - \frac{b}{a^{\log_{a}(b)}})$. Say that the linear recurrence is
\[c_{j}y_{n + j} + c_{j-1}y_{n + (j-1)} + \cdots + c_0y_n\],
then
\begin{align*}
c_{j}x_{n + j} + c_{j-1}x_{n + (j-1)} + \cdots + c_0x_n &= \\
c_{j}(x_{n + j} - y_{n+j}) + c_{j-1}(x_{n + (j-1)} - y_{n + (j-1)}) + \cdots + c_0(x_n - y_n)
\end{align*}because eacher term in the parathensis tends to $0$, we will have that $x_n$ will satisfy a linear recurrence and we are done in a similar way due to the lemma.


Second Solution (PFTB).

Let $x^{(i)}_{n} = bx^{(i-1)}_{n+1} - a^{i}x^{(i-1)}_{n+1}$ for $2 \le i$, with $x^{2}_{n} = \frac{b^n-1}{a^n-1}$, then we can show by induction that \[x^{(i)}_n = \frac{c_ib^n + c_{i-1}a^{n(i-1) + \cdots + c_{1}a^n + c_0}}{(a^{n+i-1} - 1)\cdots(a^n-1)}\]for some contanst $c_j$, so as soon as we reach a index $i$ with $\lim x^{(i)} = 0$, we will have that $bx^{(i-1)_{n}} = a^{i-1}x^{(i-1)_{n+1}}$, from where we can again conclude that $a \mid b$, and we are done in a similar fashion to the first solution.


Third Solution (Vess). So apparently, notice that for all large enough prime $p$ and $n = \text{ord}_p(a)$, then $b \equiv a^j \mod p$, this result can be shown by a very cunning usage of Gallagher's Sieve

Theorem (Gallagher's Sieve). Let $S$ be a finite set of integers and $P$ a finite set of prime powers, let $m_p$ be a number such that $m_p \ge |\{S \mod p\}|$ if we have $\sum_{p \in P} \frac{\Lambda(p)}{m_p} \ge 2\log M$ where $M = \max S$. Then
\[|S| \le \frac{\sum_{p \in P} \Lambda(p) - \log 2X}{\sum_{p \in P}\frac{\Lambda(p)}{m_p} - \log 2X}\].

Lemma. Let $a, b > 1$, and $a \equiv b^{k} \mod p$ for some $k$ for every power of prime $p$. Show that $b$ is a power of $a$.

Proof. The main part is to prove that $\log a$ and $\log b$ are l.d (this is $a^{k} = b^{j}$ for some $k$ and $j$).
Assume that $\log a$ and $\log b$ are l.i. The idea is that there are a lot of number that are of the form $a^ib^j$ smaller than some $x$, but by Gallagher's that set is also small.
More specifically, let this set be $S_x$, then its cardinality is bounded below by $\log(x)^2$.
Now, for the upper bound, define $P_y$ to be the set of power of primes divisors of $a^{i}-1| i=0,1 \dots, y$, then let $m_p$ order of $a$ in $p$ and also $y \ge m_p$. Prove a technical lemma that states $\sum_{p \in P_y} \log(p) = \Theta(y^2)$, then apply Gallagher's Sieve, this you get a contradiction, and it is possible to finish by standard number theory.
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