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N Apr 17, 2025 by Mathworld314
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Suppose a class contains $100$ students. Let, for $1\le i\le 100$, the $i^{\text{th}}$ student have $a_i$ many friends. For $0\le j\le 99$ let us define $c_j$ to be the number of students who have strictly more than $j$ friends. Show that \begin{align*} & \sum_{i=1}^{100}a_i=\sum_{j=0}^{99}c_j \end{align*}
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Suppose a class contains $100$ students. Let, for $1\le i\le 100$, the $i^{\text{th}}$ student have $a_i$ many friends. For $0\le j\le 99$ let us define $c_j$ to be the number of students who have strictly more than $j$ friends. Show that \begin{align*} & \sum_{i=1}^{100}a_i=\sum_{j=0}^{99}c_j \end{align*}
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Come here in this thread post as many as you can.. http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=362&t=588965
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I believe the problem is wrong. Just imagine a class with all students hating each other. $a_i = 0$ for all $i$, but $c_0 = 100$ (and all other $c_j = 0$), so the equation becomes $0 = 100$. Perhaps $c_j$ means the number of students with strictly more than $j$ friends.

If so, student $i$ is counted once for all $c_0, c_1, c_2, \ldots, c_{a_i-1}$, namely $a_i$ times. Thus the sum of $c_j$'s counts each student by the number of friends they have, which is exactly the left hand side.
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Your counter-example is correct. I have edited it. So the problem was indeed wrong. :mad: :dry: This is unexpected. And sad. Because I just proved a wrong problem. :wallbash_red:
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Oho nooooo//// how that can be?? such institutes problem, that's implying evry one would probably get its all point....
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I did not explicitly mention that the problem is wrong but proved the correct version by using considering the students as points and friendship as line segment. I guess I should score
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A simple solution ,
The person having the $a_i$ friends is counted in $c_0,c_1, ....c_{a_i - 1}$ .i.e $a_i$ times . so in the RHS too it is counted $a_i$ times . so these are two different ways of counting the sum $ \sum _{i=1}^{100} a_i $ and hence it is proved
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BBAI wrote:
A simple solution ,
The person having the $a_i$ friends is counted in $c_0,c_1, ....c_{a_i - 1}$ .i.e $a_i$ times . so in the RHS too it is counted $a_i$ times . so these are two different ways of counting the sum $ \sum _{i=1}^{100} a_i $ and hence it is proved
So what's new in your solution BBAI? :huh: :huh: chaotic_iak already gave that "simple solution" of yours. Why bother repeating it?
chaotic_iak wrote:
I believe the problem is wrong. Just imagine a class with all students hating each other. $a_i = 0$ for all $i$, but $c_0 = 100$ (and all other $c_j = 0$), so the equation becomes $0 = 100$. Perhaps $c_j$ means the number of students with strictly more than $j$ friends.

If so, student $i$ is counted once for all $c_0, c_1, c_2, \ldots, c_{a_i-1}$, namely $a_i$ times. Thus the sum of $c_j$'s counts each student by the number of friends they have, which is exactly the left hand side.
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Solution to the edited problem:

Consider a $100$-gon with vertices $A_i$($i=1....100$) as persons.We colour the segment $A_iA_j$ red if $A_i$ and $A_j$ are friends,otherwise we colour it as blue.We shall now show that both the sides number twice the number of red sides.


LHS:Consider a red line $A_iA_j$.It is counted once when $a_i$ is counted and once when $a_j$ is counted.Thus LHS part is proved.

RHS:Let $c_i=r$.While we are counting $c_i$,we are only counting $r$ redlines emanating from $A_{i_1},A_{i_2},...,A_{i_r}$.This proves our claim for RHS.(Note that thus summing over the $c_i$'s gives the sum of exact number of redlines originating from each vertex).

This problem is one of the simplest applications of two way counting.So nice to see this in ISI exams.....
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If $c_j$ means the number of students with strictly more than $j$ friends. , then what is $c_{99}$ ? 0 ?
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No there was that error in the original problem.
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Translation to a graph theoretic problem

Suppose ,$G(V,E)$ be a simple graph with $\boxed{k=100}$ vertex. Suppose $V=\{v_1,\cdots ,v_k\}$ And we connect $v_i,v_j$ if they are friend $i\neq j$. Suppose $a_i = \deg (v_i)$.And $\tau _j$ denote number of vertices having degree more than $j,0\le j \le k-1$.

We would like to show that $\sum_{i=1}^k a_i = \sum_{j=0}^{k-1} \tau_j$.
$\boxed{\text{Key Lemma}}$.
$\sum_{j=0}^{k-1} \tau _j =2|E|$.
Proof.
Suppose the statement is true for $k=n$ .
Then join a certex call $v_{n+1}$.If it is isolated then $\sum_{i=0}^n \tau ' _i = \sum _{i=0}^{n-1} \tau_i$ ,$\tau '_j$ count number of vertex having degree more than $j$ in the new graph with $n+1$ vertex. we are done.

if $v_{n+1}$ is not isolated. . Suppose it joins with $v_j$ ,$j\le n$. Then $\deg (v_{n+1})=1$.
And ,$\tau ' _{\deg v_j} = \tau_{\deg v_j} +1$,
$\tau '_0 =\tau_0 +1$.
And another $\tau_j$ will as same as $\tau '_j$.

So,in this case $\sum_{j=0}^{n} \tau '_j = 2|E|+2$.One must see that number of edges in new graph is $|E|+1$.

Similar approach can prove the case for more than $1$ new edges$\blacksquare$.
Now ,$\sum a_j = \sum_{v\in V} \deg (v)=2|E|$.

So,$\sum_{i=1}^k a_i = \sum_{j=0}^{k-1} \tau_j$.

Proved!!!!
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I have a different solution than the above ones.
I will use induction
obviously the base case holds true

Lets assume it holds for n students
Our n+1th student has say i friends
So the LHS will increment by i.
For RHS 1 will be added for each j from 0 to i so the RHS Will also increase by 1*i
So LHS = RHS and our induction for n+1th step is complete. $\blacksquare$
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chaotic_iak wrote:
I believe the problem is wrong. Just imagine a class with all students hating each other. $a_i = 0$ for all $i$, but $c_0 = 100$ (and all other $c_j = 0$), so the equation becomes $0 = 100$. Perhaps $c_j$ means the number of students with strictly more than $j$ friends.

If so, student $i$ is counted once for all $c_0, c_1, c_2, \ldots, c_{a_i-1}$, namely $a_i$ times. Thus the sum of $c_j$'s counts each student by the number of friends they have, which is exactly the left hand side.

No your argument is incorrect.. $c_0$ is NOT equal to $100$, it is indeed $0$. Observe the question carefully.. $c_0$ means the number of students having MORE than $0$ (i.e. $\geq1$ ) friends.. which according to your assumption that everyone hates everyone is indeed $0$. For the same reason, the iteration of $j$ stops at $99$ and not $100$ because no one can possibly have $101$ friends.. hope I could make myself clear..

The problem is beautiful..
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Suppose a class contains $100$ students. Let, for $1\le i\le 100$, the $i^{\text{th}}$ student have $a_i$ many friends. For $0\le j\le 99$ let us define $c_j$ to be the number of students who have strictly more than $j$ friends. Show that \begin{align*} & \sum_{i=1}^{100}a_i=\sum_{j=0}^{99}c_j \end{align*}

Beautiful problems demand beautiful solutions.. Here's a simple way to think-

observe

if you still need help

my extension on this problem

Q.E.D. $\square$
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If $c_j$ means the number of students with strictly more than $j$ friends. , then what is $c_{99}$ ? 0 ?

Obviously
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This problem is direct once we apply. Incidence matrices
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