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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
dcouchman   1
N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

Find instructions and a list of contests to add here: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c40244h1064480_contests_to_add
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dcouchman
Sep 9, 2019
v_Enhance
Apr 5, 2023
k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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ZetaX
Feb 27, 2007
NoDealsHere
May 4, 2019
chat gpt
fuv870   6
N 2 minutes ago by jkim0656
The chat gpt alreadly knows how to solve the problem of IMO USAMO and AMC?
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+1 w
fuv870
3 hours ago
jkim0656
2 minutes ago
Unsolved Diophantine(I think)
Nuran2010   2
N 4 minutes ago by ohiorizzler1434
Find all solutions for the equation $2^n=p+3^p$ where $n$ is a positive integer and $p$ is a prime.(Don't get mad at me,I've used the search function and did not see a correct and complete solution anywhere.)
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Nuran2010
Mar 14, 2025
ohiorizzler1434
4 minutes ago
Functional Equations Marathon March 2025
Levieee   0
11 minutes ago
1. before posting another problem please try your best to provide the solution to the previous solution because we don't want a backlog of many problems
2.one is welcome to send functional equations involving calculus (mainly basic real analysis type of proofs) as long it is of the form $\text{"find all functions:"}$
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Levieee
11 minutes ago
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Another NT FE
nukelauncher   60
N 24 minutes ago by pi271828
Source: ISL 2019 N4
Find all functions $f:\mathbb Z_{>0}\to \mathbb Z_{>0}$ such that $a+f(b)$ divides $a^2+bf(a)$ for all positive integers $a$ and $b$ with $a+b>2019$.
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nukelauncher
Sep 22, 2020
pi271828
24 minutes ago
Perfect Squares, Infinite Integers and Integers
steven_zhang123   4
N 38 minutes ago by ohiorizzler1434
Source: China TST 2001 Quiz 5 P1
For which integer \( h \), are there infinitely many positive integers \( n \) such that \( \lfloor \sqrt{h^2 + 1} \cdot n \rfloor \) is a perfect square? (Here \( \lfloor x \rfloor \) denotes the integer part of the real number \( x \)?
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steven_zhang123
Yesterday at 12:06 PM
ohiorizzler1434
38 minutes ago
another geometry problem with sharky-devil point
anyone__42   11
N 40 minutes ago by zhenghua
Source: The francophone mathematical olympiads P1
Let $ABC$ be an acute triangle with $AC>AB$, Let $DEF$ be the intouch triangle with $D \in (BC)$,$E \in (AC)$,$F \in (AB)$,, let $G$ be the intersecttion of the perpendicular from $D$ to $EF$ with $AB$, and $X=(ABC)\cap (AEF)$.
Prove that $B,D,G$ and $X$ are concylic
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anyone__42
Jun 27, 2020
zhenghua
40 minutes ago
IMO Shortlist 2011, Algebra 5
orl   18
N an hour ago by mathfun07
Source: IMO Shortlist 2011, Algebra 5
Prove that for every positive integer $n,$ the set $\{2,3,4,\ldots,3n+1\}$ can be partitioned into $n$ triples in such a way that the numbers from each triple are the lengths of the sides of some obtuse triangle.

Proposed by Canada
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orl
Jul 11, 2012
mathfun07
an hour ago
Line Perpendicular to Euler Line
tastymath75025   55
N an hour ago by ohiorizzler1434
Source: USA TSTST 2017 Problem 1, by Ray Li
Let $ABC$ be a triangle with circumcircle $\Gamma$, circumcenter $O$, and orthocenter $H$. Assume that $AB\neq AC$ and that $\angle A \neq 90^{\circ}$. Let $M$ and $N$ be the midpoints of sides $AB$ and $AC$, respectively, and let $E$ and $F$ be the feet of the altitudes from $B$ and $C$ in $\triangle ABC$, respectively. Let $P$ be the intersection of line $MN$ with the tangent line to $\Gamma$ at $A$. Let $Q$ be the intersection point, other than $A$, of $\Gamma$ with the circumcircle of $\triangle AEF$. Let $R$ be the intersection of lines $AQ$ and $EF$. Prove that $PR\perp OH$.

Proposed by Ray Li
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tastymath75025
Jun 29, 2017
ohiorizzler1434
an hour ago
Foot from vertex to Euler line
cjquines0   31
N an hour ago by pUssydestroyer777
Source: 2016 IMO Shortlist G5
Let $D$ be the foot of perpendicular from $A$ to the Euler line (the line passing through the circumcentre and the orthocentre) of an acute scalene triangle $ABC$. A circle $\omega$ with centre $S$ passes through $A$ and $D$, and it intersects sides $AB$ and $AC$ at $X$ and $Y$ respectively. Let $P$ be the foot of altitude from $A$ to $BC$, and let $M$ be the midpoint of $BC$. Prove that the circumcentre of triangle $XSY$ is equidistant from $P$ and $M$.
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cjquines0
Jul 19, 2017
pUssydestroyer777
an hour ago
Inequality => square
Rushil   12
N 2 hours ago by ohiorizzler1434
Source: INMO 1998 Problem 4
Suppose $ABCD$ is a cyclic quadrilateral inscribed in a circle of radius one unit. If $AB \cdot BC \cdot CD \cdot DA \geq 4$, prove that $ABCD$ is a square.
12 replies
Rushil
Oct 7, 2005
ohiorizzler1434
2 hours ago
p + q + r + s = 9 and p^2 + q^2 + r^2 + s^2 = 21
who   28
N 2 hours ago by asdf334
Source: IMO Shortlist 2005 problem A3
Four real numbers $ p$, $ q$, $ r$, $ s$ satisfy $ p+q+r+s = 9$ and $ p^{2}+q^{2}+r^{2}+s^{2}= 21$. Prove that there exists a permutation $ \left(a,b,c,d\right)$ of $ \left(p,q,r,s\right)$ such that $ ab-cd \geq 2$.
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who
Jul 8, 2006
asdf334
2 hours ago
H not needed
dchenmathcounts   44
N 3 hours ago by Ilikeminecraft
Source: USEMO 2019/1
Let $ABCD$ be a cyclic quadrilateral. A circle centered at $O$ passes through $B$ and $D$ and meets lines $BA$ and $BC$ again at points $E$ and $F$ (distinct from $A,B,C$). Let $H$ denote the orthocenter of triangle $DEF.$ Prove that if lines $AC,$ $DO,$ $EF$ are concurrent, then triangle $ABC$ and $EHF$ are similar.

Robin Son
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dchenmathcounts
May 23, 2020
Ilikeminecraft
3 hours ago
IZHO 2017 Functional equations
user01   51
N 3 hours ago by lksb
Source: IZHO 2017 Day 1 Problem 2
Find all functions $f:R \rightarrow R$ such that $$(x+y^2)f(yf(x))=xyf(y^2+f(x))$$, where $x,y \in \mathbb{R}$
51 replies
user01
Jan 14, 2017
lksb
3 hours ago
Inequality with wx + xy + yz + zw = 1
Fermat -Euler   23
N 3 hours ago by hgomamogh
Source: IMO ShortList 1990, Problem 24 (THA 2)
Let $ w, x, y, z$ are non-negative reals such that $ wx + xy + yz + zw = 1$.
Show that $ \frac {w^3}{x + y + z} + \frac {x^3}{w + y + z} + \frac {y^3}{w + x + z} + \frac {z^3}{w + x + y}\geq \frac {1}{3}$.
23 replies
Fermat -Euler
Nov 2, 2005
hgomamogh
3 hours ago
Eisenstein Irreducibility Criterion revisited
orl   34
N Jul 28, 2024 by almagest3001
Source: IMO 1993, Day 1, Problem 1
Let $n > 1$ be an integer and let $f(x) = x^n + 5 \cdot x^{n-1} + 3.$ Prove that there do not exist polynomials $g(x),h(x),$ each having integer coefficients and degree at least one, such that $f(x) = g(x) \cdot h(x).$
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orl
Nov 19, 2005
almagest3001
Jul 28, 2024
Eisenstein Irreducibility Criterion revisited
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Let $n > 1$ be an integer and let $f(x) = x^n + 5 \cdot x^{n-1} + 3.$ Prove that there do not exist polynomials $g(x),h(x),$ each having integer coefficients and degree at least one, such that $f(x) = g(x) \cdot h(x).$
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well i think is an easy one...lets say that $g(x)=x^g+a_{g-1}x^{g-1}+...+a_{0}$ and $q(x)=x^q+b_{q-1}x^{q-1}+...+b_{0}$ then $a_{0}b_{0}=3$ so WLOG $b_{0}$ is multiple of 3 so lets prove by induction that $b_{n}$ is multiple of 3
first lets see that $b_{0}$ is and we know that the coefficient of $x^1$ in $p(x)$ is 0 so $b_{0}a_{1}+b_{1}a_{0}=0$ or $b_{0}a_{1}=-b_{1}a_{0]}$ and $a_{0}$ is not multiple of 3 so $b_{1}$ must be and that way you can get the result.

that is looking for the coefficient 0 of $x^{n}$ in $p(x)$ and having that $b_{i}=3k$ for $i=0,1,...,n-1$ all that is sufficient if the coefficient is 0 in $x^{q}$ and doesnt occur if $q=n-1$ if that is true then $g(x)=x+g$ with g not multiple of 3. so then $g^n+5g^{n-1}=g^{n-1}(g+5)=-3$ for some integrer g, but then $g^{n-1}$ divides 3, so $g=1$ or $g=+/-3,n=2$ and both are wrong :!: :D

is it right? :roll: :lol: ?
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We want to prove that $ f(x)$ is irreducible over $ \mathbb{Z}$. Since $ f(x)$ largest degree's term is $ 1$, its factors' largest degree's terms are $ 1$. By the Extended Eisenstein Criterion, $ f(x)$ has an irreducible factor over $ \mathbb{Z}$ with degree larger that $ n-2$. So it has an irreducible factor over $ \mathbb{Z}$ with degree $ n-1$ or $ n$. Let's suppose $ f(x)$ has an irreducible factor $ \mathbb{Z}$ with degree $ n-1$. So it also has an irreducible factor with degree $ 1$, and since its largest degree's term is $ 1$, it has a zero over $ \mathbb{Z}$, which means $ f(x)$ also has a zero over $ \mathbb{Z}$. But $ f(x)$ is always odd, therefore it can't be $ 0$. Contradiction! So $ f(x)$ has a irreducible factor over $ \mathbb{Z}$ with degree $ n$, which is $ f(x)$, QED.
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Just edited my post at http://www.mathlinks.ro/viewtopic.php?t=37593 to include this problem as well. Just take $ p = 3$ (which is prime) and $ q = 1$ (which is squarefree and not divisible by $ p$). And consider the case $ n=2$ separately.

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It is a direct consequence of extended Eisenstein's criterion and rational root theorem
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you can use peron criterion it's obvious with peron
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What is Peron criterion?
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He wants to say Perron. It's Theorem A in http://rms.unibuc.ro/bulletin/pdf/53-3/perron.pdf . Applying it here is pretty much overkill, though.
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You could use perron's, but saying 5>4 is a little boring, don't you think?

Another way to do this problem is to reduce it mod 3. We have $x^n+5x^{n-1}+3 \equiv x^n+2x^{n-1}$ (mod 3). Simplifying gives $x^{n-1}(x-2)$. Suppose f(x)=g(x)h(x), for some $g, h \in \mathbb{Z}[x]$ nonconstant. Since x and x-2 are irreducible in $\mathbb{F}_3[x]$, we have (WLOG) $g(x)=x^k+3g_1(x)$ and $h(x)=x^{n-k-1}(n-2)+3h_1(x)$, for some integer polynomials $g_1$ and $h_1$. First we consider the case where k=0. This means that g is nonconstant, a contradiction. If k=n-1, then h(x) is a linear polynomial, so f must have an integer root. We can easily check that this is false. Finally, if 1<k<n-1, multiplying g and h gives $x^{n-1}(x-2)+3g_1(x)x^{n-k-1}(x-2)+3h_1(x)x^k+9g_1(x)h_1(x)$. Setting this equal to our original polynomial and plugging in x=0 gives $9g_1(0)h_1(0)=3$. Since $g_1, h_1 \in \mathbb{Z}[x]$, this is clearly a contradiction. Thus, our polynomial is irreducible in $\mathbb{Z}[x]$.

I think this problem could also be classified as number theory. Irreducible polynomials is one of the biggest overlaps of NT and algebra.
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EDIT: Ignore this.
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So, first, from $f(a_i) = a_i^n + 5a_i^{n-1} + 3 = 0$, you deduce $a_i^n + 5a_i^{n-1} = -3$, which is correct, only that you write $f(a_i) = a_i^n + 5a_i^{n-1} = -3$. Nice piece of algebra! All we have is $f(a_i) -3 = a_i^n + 5a_i^{n-1} = -3$. And now we will have $g(a_i)h(a_i) -3 = -3$, i.e. $g(a_i)h(a_i) = 0$; obviously, since $g,h$ are the factors of $f$.

Therefore $(g(a_i), h(a_i)) = (\pm 1, \mp 3)$ is clearly wrong, since at least one of them must be $0$. Moreover, in your mistaken way, you miss the possibility $(g(a_i), h(a_i)) = (\pm 3, \mp 1)$.

Nevermind, indeed under these wrong conclusions we would have $p(a_i) = g(a_i)+h(a_i) \in \{-2,2\}$, which you then write $p(a_i) =\pm 2$. True, $\deg p \leq n-1$. But you don't know that the $a_i$'s, $1\leq i \leq n$ are distinct, and even if they were, this does not contradict that Fundamental Theorem (rather the simple theorem that a polynomial cannot have more roots than its degree), since $\pm 2$ is not just one value; for example for the polynomial $p(x) = x^2-3$ we have $p(\pm 1) = -2$ and $p(\pm\sqrt{5}) = 2$. So even if your argumentation up to this point were correct, you still have no contradiction. When only knowing $\deg p \leq n-1$, you need $p(x) = \pm 2$ for at least $2n-1$ distinct arguments, in order to get a contradiction.
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Suppose
f(x) = $(x^r + a_{r-1}x^{r-1} + ... + a_1x + 3)(x^s + b_{s-1}x^{s-1} + ... + b_1x + 1)$. We show that all the a's are divisible by 3 and using that we will establish a contradiction .[Here , we will show using only + ve sign of 3 , the other case is
f(x) = $(x^r + a_{r-1}x^{r-1} + ... + a_1x - 3)(x^s + b_{s-1}x^{s-1} + ... + b_1x - 1)$ , in which constant terms contains only - ve terms and the casee follows only the + ve case . So , we will show here only the first case] .
r and s must be greater than 1.Because
for if r = 1, then 3 is a root . Now we will make two cases :
case 1:
n is even, then it follows that 0 = $3^n +5\cdot$$3^{n- 1} + 3 = 3^{n-1}( 3 +5)+ 3$, which is false since 3+5 = 8.
case 2 :
if n is odd we would have 0 = $3^{n-1}(3 + 5) + 3$, which is false since 3 + 5 = 8.
If s = 1, then 1 is a root and we will argue by contradiction in the same way .
So r$\leq$n - 2, and hence the coefficients of x, $x^2, ... , x^r$ are all zero. Since the coefficient of x is zero, we have: $a_1+3b_1 = 0$, so $a_1$ is divisible by 3.
Now , we will use the induction hypothesis .
We can
now proceed by induction.
Assume $a_1, ... , a_t$ are all divisible by 3. Then
consider the coefficient of $x_{t+1}$. If s-1 $\geq $t+1, then $a_{t+1}$ = linear combination of $a_1,... , a_t + 3b_{t+1}$. If s-1 $\leq$ t+1, then $a_{t+1}$ = linear combination of some or all of $a_1,... , a_t.$
Either way, $a_{t+1}$ is divisible by 3.
Now we will consider the coefficients of x, $x^2$,
... , $x^{r-1}$ which gives us that all the a's are multiples of 3. Now consider the coefficientof $x^r$ which is also zero.
Now we will get , that is a sum of of terms which are multiples of 3 .
Then it does not becomes 0.
So , follows a contradiction !
So , the factorization is not possible .( proved ).
-NEELANJAN MONDAL.
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Extended Eisenstein $->$ RRT $->$ $\mod 2$ $->$ Done.
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My point is, would your solution even count if you directly apply Eisenstein on this problem, because it completely trivialises the problem... (apparently any use of a theorem is prohibited if it trivialises the problem, and this theorem certainly does, right?)
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It is a direct result of Perron's criterion. Alternatively, suppose $x^n+5x^{n-1}+3 = f(x)g(x)$. Reduce it modulo 3 to get $f(x)g(x) \equiv x^{n-1}(x+5)$, so we can assume that $f(x) = x^{p}(x+5) + 3F(x)$, $g(x) = x^{q} + 3G(x)$. Multiply them to get $x^qF(x)+x^p(x+5)G(x)+3F(x)G(x) = 1$. Plug in $x=0$, then $3F(0)G(0)=1$, clearly impossible.
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I think this is wrong? $\overline{f(x)}$ only needs to be irreducible $\pmod 5$, not completely irreducible (for example, if I took $f(x)=x^2+2x+1$ and had $x^2+2x+1\equiv x^2+1\pmod 2$, $x^2+1$ being irreducible doesn't imply $x^2+2x+1$ is irreducible, since $x^2+1$ could still be reducible $\pmod 2$).
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This can be done by using perrons criterian
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By pure coincidence, I had been looking at irreducibility criterion when I encountered this problem. Perron's kills it.

Since $5>1+3$, $f$ is irreducible over $\mathbb Z[x]$. $\square$
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What on earth?!

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orl wrote:
Let $n > 1$ be an integer and let $f(x) = x^n + 5 \cdot x^{n-1} + 3.$ Prove that there do not exist polynomials $g(x),h(x),$ each having integer coefficients and degree at least one, such that $f(x) = g(x) \cdot h(x).$

1 liner by Perron's

By IG's inequality, $5$ is a greater number than $1+3=4$. Hence, we are done since Perron's finishes over $\mathbb{Z}\left[x\right]$ $\square$

Good thing i still have my irreducibility handouts :gleam:

it's also not too hard to prove perron's irreducibility criterion in olympiads, assume the assertion and suppose that $f(x)=g(x)h(x)$. This means that $f$ has only 1 root of modulus greater than 1, which means either $g$ or $h$ has roots not outside the unit circle. You'll reach a contradiction that $|g(0)| < 1$ yet $g(0)$ is, by definition, a nonnegative integer.
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Everyone says "Perron's" but there's no explanation of what Perron's Criterion is, so I'll put the general statement here.
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Let $f(X)=X^n+a_{n-1}X^{n-1}+\cdots+a_1X+a_0$ be a polynomial with integer coefficients such that $a_0\neq 0$ and \[|a_{n-1}|>1+|a_{n-2}+\cdots+|a_1|+|a_0|.\]Then $f(X)$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Z}[X].$
We come back to the original problem.
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Prove that the polynomial $X^n + 5X^{n-1} + 3$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Z}[X].$

Direct application of Perron's gives $5>1+3,$ so the polynomial is irreducible as required. Below is an alternate solution through Eisenstein's Criterion, of which here is the statement:
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Let $f(X)=a_nX^n+a_{n-1}X^{n-1}+\cdots+a_1X+a_0$ be a polynomial with integer coefficients. Then $f(X)$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Z}[X]$ if there exists a prime $p$ such that
(i) $p \mid a_0, p \mid a_1, \cdots, p \mid a_{n-1},$ and
(i) $p \nmid a_n, p^2 \nmid a_0.$

It is easy to verify by the rational root theorem that no linear factors divide $X^n+5X^{n-1}+3.$ Assume on the contrary that $P(X)=X^n+5X^{n-1}+3=f(X)g(X).$ Taking mod three, we get \[f(X)g(X)\equiv X^{n-1}(X-1)\pmod 3.\]Let $f(X)\equiv X^a\pmod 3,g(X)\pmod X^b(x-1)\pmod 3.$ Now, $a,b\neq 0$ since $f(X),g(X)$ both have degree at least two. Thus, we have $3\mid f(0)$ and $3\mid g(0)$ so $9\mid P(0)$ which is clearly false because $P(0)=3.$
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Wow, I have finally done an irreducibility problem. Let's not use Perron's Criterion.

Write $x^n + 5x^{n-1} + 3 = g(x) h(x)$ for some polynomials $g\in \mathbb Z[x]$ and $h\in \mathbb Z[x]$. Plugging in $x = 0$ yields $g(0)h(0) = 3$, so without loss of generality $3\nmid h(0)$. However, taking $f$ modulo $3$ yields
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x^n - x^{n-1} \equiv \bar g(x) \bar h(x)\pmod 3.
\]Thus, $x$ cannot divide $\bar h(x)$.

There are two cases to consider. In the first case, $g(x) = x^{n-1} + 3p(x)$ and $h(x) = x - 1 + 3q(x)$ for some polynomials $p\in \mathbb Z[x]$ and $q\in\mathbb Z[x]$. Since $\deg g \geq n - 1$ and $\deg h \geq 1$, these inequalities are actually equalities. That is, $h$ is linear and $f$ has a rational root. But the only rational roots $f$ can possibly have are $-1$ and $-3$ (RRT combined with the fact that $f$ has no positive roots), and both of these fail.

In the second case, $g(x) = x^n - x^{n-1} + 3p(x)$ and $h(x) = 1 + 3q(x)$ for some polynomials $p\in \mathbb Z[x]$ and $q\in\mathbb Z[x]$. Comparing degrees in the same way implies that $h$ is a constant. In turn, $f$ is irreducible.
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orl wrote:
Let $n > 1$ be an integer and let $f(x) = x^n + 5 \cdot x^{n-1} + 3.$ Prove that there do not exist polynomials $g(x),h(x),$ each having integer coefficients and degree at least one, such that $f(x) = g(x) \cdot h(x).$

Also PEN Q7
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FTSOC assume the contrary and set $f(x)=h(x)\cdot g(x)$ where $h(x),g(x) \in \mathbb{Z}[x]$. plugging in $x=0$ yields $h(0)g(0)=3$ and plugging $x=-5$ we get $h(-5)g(-5)=3$.

now by RRT, we can clearly observe that there is no integer root of $f(x)$ hence $h(x)$ and $g(x)$ are not linear.

set $h(x)=(x-z_{1})(x-z_{2})\cdots (x-z_{r})$ where $\text{deg(h(x))}=r$ and $z_{i}$'s are root of $h(x)$ for $1\leqslant i \leqslant r$

now WLOG take $h(0)=\pm 1$ ( since $h(x) \in \mathbb{Z}[x]$)

we get $\left|\prod_{i=1}^{r} z_{i}\right|=1$

and $\left|\prod_{i=1}^{r}(z_{i}+5)\right|=|(z_{1}+5)(z_{2}+5)\cdots (z_{r}+5)|$

now notice for $z_{l} \in \{z_{1},z_{2},\cdots z_{r}\}$ we get $z_{l}^{n-1}(z_{l}+5)=-3$ hence we get:

$\left|\prod_{i=1}^{r}(z_{i}+5)\right|=\left|\prod_{i=1}^{r}\frac{-3}{z_{i}^{n-1}}\right|=3^{r}$ which gives that $|h(-5)|=3^{r}$

but also since $|h(-5)||3$ ( as $h(-5)g(-5)=3$ and $h(x)\in \mathbb{Z}[x]$) we have that $3^{r}|3$ for $r>1$ which gives a contradiction , and hence the result follows $\blacksquare$
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Using Einstein's Criterion we take p=3, in this case 3 divides a0 , 3 dosent divide an and 3^2 dosent divide 3 therefore by Einstein's criterion it implies that f(x) is irreducible.
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@above: that doesn't work. Eisenstein's Criterion requires $p = 3$ to divide every coefficient except the leading one. Because $3$ does not divide $5$, you can't naively use Eisenstein here.
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Yes my mistake
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It is enough to show that $f$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}$ since it is primitive. Observe that $p(x) = 5x^{n-1} + 3$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}$ by Eisenstein. Then $x^n+p \in \mathbb{Q}[x][x]$, where $p$ is taken as the constant coefficient, is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}[x]$ by the general Eisenstein criterion, hence $f$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}$.
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That doesn't work. Unless I'm misunderstanding your argument, by that logic, if $p(x)$ is any irreducible polynomial of degree less than $k$, then $x^k + p(x)$ is also irreducible. This is clearly false, take $p(x) = 3x^2 + 3x + 1$ and $k = 3$.

(Also, what is $\mathbb Q[x][x]$? If you mean "the ring of polynomials in $x$ whose coefficients are polynomials in $x$", then this really is the same thing as $\mathbb Q[x]$. In particular, given a ring $K$, the polynomial ring $K[X]$ can be thought of taking the ring $K$ and adding a new variable $X$ which commutes with elements of $K$ but otherwise has no additional properties. This means something like $\mathbb Q[x][x]$ is inherently problematic, because the first $x$ and the second $x$ interact with each other nontrivially.)
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You're right. I misremembered the generalized Eisenstein criterion.
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