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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
May is an exciting month! National MATHCOUNTS is the second week of May in Washington D.C. and our Founder, Richard Rusczyk will be presenting a seminar, Preparing Strong Math Students for College and Careers, on May 11th.

Are you interested in working towards MATHCOUNTS and don’t know where to start? We have you covered! If you have taken Prealgebra, then you are ready for MATHCOUNTS/AMC 8 Basics. Already aiming for State or National MATHCOUNTS and harder AMC 8 problems? Then our MATHCOUNTS/AMC 8 Advanced course is for you.

Summer camps are starting next month at the Virtual Campus in math and language arts that are 2 - to 4 - weeks in duration. Spaces are still available - don’t miss your chance to have an enriching summer experience. There are middle and high school competition math camps as well as Math Beasts camps that review key topics coupled with fun explorations covering areas such as graph theory (Math Beasts Camp 6), cryptography (Math Beasts Camp 7-8), and topology (Math Beasts Camp 8-9)!

Be sure to mark your calendars for the following upcoming events:
[list][*]May 9th, 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, Casework 2: Overwhelming Evidence — A Text Adventure, a game where participants will work together to navigate the map, solve puzzles, and win! All are welcome.
[*]May 19th, 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET, What's Next After Beast Academy?, designed for students finishing Beast Academy and ready for Prealgebra 1.
[*]May 20th, 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Mathcamp 2025 Qualifying Quiz Part 1 Math Jam, Problems 1 to 4, join the Canada/USA Mathcamp staff for this exciting Math Jam, where they discuss solutions to Problems 1 to 4 of the 2025 Mathcamp Qualifying Quiz!
[*]May 21st, 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Mathcamp 2025 Qualifying Quiz Part 2 Math Jam, Problems 5 and 6, Canada/USA Mathcamp staff will discuss solutions to Problems 5 and 6 of the 2025 Mathcamp Qualifying Quiz![/list]
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May 1, 2025
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k i Peer-to-Peer Programs Forum
jwelsh   157
N Dec 11, 2023 by cw357
Many of our AoPS Community members share their knowledge with their peers in a variety of ways, ranging from creating mock contests to creating real contests to writing handouts to hosting sessions as part of our partnership with schoolhouse.world.

To facilitate students in these efforts, we have created a new Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. With the creation of this forum, we are starting a new process for those of you who want to advertise your efforts. These advertisements and ensuing discussions have been cluttering up some of the forums that were meant for other purposes, so we’re gathering these topics in one place. This also allows students to find new peer-to-peer learning opportunities without having to poke around all the other forums.

To announce your program, or to invite others to work with you on it, here’s what to do:

1) Post a new topic in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum. This will be the discussion thread for your program.

2) Post a single brief post in this thread that links the discussion thread of your program in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Please note that we’ll move or delete any future advertisement posts that are outside the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, as well as any posts in this topic that are not brief announcements of new opportunities. In particular, this topic should not be used to discuss specific programs; those discussions should occur in topics in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum.

Your post in this thread should have what you're sharing (class, session, tutoring, handout, math or coding game/other program) and a link to the thread in the Peer-to-Peer Programs forum, which should have more information (like where to find what you're sharing).
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jwelsh
Mar 15, 2021
cw357
Dec 11, 2023
k i C&P posting recs by mods
v_Enhance   0
Jun 12, 2020
The purpose of this post is to lay out a few suggestions about what kind of posts work well for the C&P forum. Except in a few cases these are mostly meant to be "suggestions based on historical trends" rather than firm hard rules; we may eventually replace this with an actual list of firm rules but that requires admin approval :) That said, if you post something in the "discouraged" category, you should not be totally surprised if it gets locked; they are discouraged exactly because past experience shows they tend to go badly.
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1. Program discussion: Allowed
If you have questions about specific camps or programs (e.g. which classes are good at X camp?), these questions fit well here. Many camps/programs have specific sub-forums too but we understand a lot of them are not active.
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2. Results discussion: Allowed
You can make threads about e.g. how you did on contests (including AMC), though on AMC day when there is a lot of discussion. Moderators and administrators may do a lot of thread-merging / forum-wrangling to keep things in one place.
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3. Reposting solutions or questions to past AMC/AIME/USAMO problems: Allowed
This forum contains a post for nearly every problem from AMC8, AMC10, AMC12, AIME, USAJMO, USAMO (and these links give you an index of all these posts). It is always permitted to post a full solution to any problem in its own thread (linked above), regardless of how old the problem is, and even if this solution is similar to one that has already been posted. We encourage this type of posting because it is helpful for the user to explain their solution in full to an audience, and for future users who want to see multiple approaches to a problem or even just the frequency distribution of common approaches. We do ask for some explanation; if you just post "the answer is (B); ez" then you are not adding anything useful.

You are also encouraged to post questions about a specific problem in the specific thread for that problem, or about previous user's solutions. It's almost always better to use the existing thread than to start a new one, to keep all the discussion in one place easily searchable for future visitors.
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4. Advice posts: Allowed, but read below first
You can use this forum to ask for advice about how to prepare for math competitions in general. But you should be aware that this question has been asked many many times. Before making a post, you are encouraged to look at the following:
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[*] Stop looking for the right training: A generic post about advice that keeps getting stickied :)
[*] There is an enormous list of links on the Wiki of books / problems / etc for all levels.
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When you do post, we really encourage you to be as specific as possible in your question. Tell us about your background, what you've tried already, etc.

Actually, the absolute best way to get a helpful response is to take a few examples of problems that you tried to solve but couldn't, and explain what you tried on them / why you couldn't solve them. Here is a great example of a specific question.
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5. Publicity: use P2P forum instead
See https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c5h2489297_peertopeer_programs_forum.
Some exceptions have been allowed in the past, but these require approval from administrators. (I am not totally sure what the criteria is. I am not an administrator.)
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6. Mock contests: use Mock Contests forum instead
Mock contests should be posted in the dedicated forum instead:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c594864_aops_mock_contests
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7. AMC procedural questions: suggest to contact the AMC HQ instead
If you have a question like "how do I submit a change of venue form for the AIME" or "why is my name not on the qualifiers list even though I have a 300 index", you would be better off calling or emailing the AMC program to ask, they are the ones who can help you :)
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8. Discussion of random math problems: suggest to use MSM/HSM/HSO instead
If you are discussing a specific math problem that isn't from the AMC/AIME/USAMO, it's better to post these in Middle School Math, High School Math, High School Olympiads instead.
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9. Politics: suggest to use Round Table instead
There are important conversations to be had about things like gender diversity in math contests, etc., for sure. However, from experience we think that C&P is historically not a good place to have these conversations, as they go off the rails very quickly. We encourage you to use the Round Table instead, where it is much more clear that all posts need to be serious.
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10. MAA complaints: discouraged
We don't want to pretend that the MAA is perfect or that we agree with everything they do. However, we chose to discourage this sort of behavior because in practice most of the comments we see are not useful and some are frankly offensive.
[list] [*] If you just want to blow off steam, do it on your blog instead.
[*] When you have criticism, it should be reasoned, well-thought and constructive. What we mean by this is, for example, when the AOIME was announced, there was great outrage about potential cheating. Well, do you really think that this is something the organizers didn't think about too? Simply posting that "people will cheat and steal my USAMOO qualification, the MAA are idiots!" is not helpful as it is not bringing any new information to the table.
[*] Even if you do have reasoned, well-thought, constructive criticism, we think it is actually better to email it the MAA instead, rather than post it here. Experience shows that even polite, well-meaning suggestions posted in C&P are often derailed by less mature users who insist on complaining about everything.
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11. Memes and joke posts: discouraged
It's fine to make jokes or lighthearted posts every so often. But it should be done with discretion. Ideally, jokes should be done within a longer post that has other content. For example, in my response to one user's question about olympiad combinatorics, I used a silly picture of Sogiita Gunha, but it was done within a context of a much longer post where it was meant to actually make a point.

On the other hand, there are many threads which consist largely of posts whose only content is an attached meme with the word "MAA" in it. When done in excess like this, the jokes reflect poorly on the community, so we explicitly discourage them.
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12. Questions that no one can answer: discouraged
Examples of this: "will MIT ask for AOIME scores?", "what will the AIME 2021 cutoffs be (asked in 2020)", etc. Basically, if you ask a question on this forum, it's better if the question is something that a user can plausibly answer :)
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13. Blind speculation: discouraged
Along these lines, if you do see a question that you don't have an answer to, we discourage "blindly guessing" as it leads to spreading of baseless rumors. For example, if you see some user posting "why are there fewer qualifiers than usual this year?", you should not reply "the MAA must have been worried about online cheating so they took fewer people!!". Was sich überhaupt sagen lässt, lässt sich klar sagen; und wovon man nicht reden kann, darüber muss man schweigen.
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14. Discussion of cheating: strongly discouraged
If you have evidence or reasonable suspicion of cheating, please report this to your Competition Manager or to the AMC HQ; these forums cannot help you.
Otherwise, please avoid public discussion of cheating. That is: no discussion of methods of cheating, no speculation about how cheating affects cutoffs, and so on --- it is not helpful to anyone, and it creates a sour atmosphere. A longer explanation is given in Seriously, please stop discussing how to cheat.
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15. Cutoff jokes: never allowed
Whenever the cutoffs for any major contest are released, it is very obvious when they are official. In the past, this has been achieved by the numbers being posted on the official AMC website (here) or through a post from the AMCDirector account.

You must never post fake cutoffs, even as a joke. You should also refrain from posting cutoffs that you've heard of via email, etc., because it is better to wait for the obvious official announcement. A longer explanation is given in A Treatise on Cutoff Trolling.
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16. Meanness: never allowed
Being mean is worse than being immature and unproductive. If another user does something which you think is inappropriate, use the Report button to bring the post to moderator attention, or if you really must reply, do so in a way that is tactful and constructive rather than inflammatory.
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Finally, we remind you all to sit back and enjoy the problems. :D

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(EDIT 2024-09-13: AoPS has asked to me to add the following item.)

Advertising paid program or service: never allowed

Per the AoPS Terms of Service (rule 5h), general advertisements are not allowed.

While we do allow advertisements of official contests (at the MAA and MATHCOUNTS level) and those run by college students with at least one successful year, any and all advertisements of a paid service or program is not allowed and will be deleted.
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v_Enhance
Jun 12, 2020
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k i Stop looking for the "right" training
v_Enhance   50
N Oct 16, 2017 by blawho12
Source: Contest advice
EDIT 2019-02-01: https://blog.evanchen.cc/2019/01/31/math-contest-platitudes-v3/ is the updated version of this.

EDIT 2021-06-09: see also https://web.evanchen.cc/faq-contest.html.

Original 2013 post
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v_Enhance
Feb 15, 2013
blawho12
Oct 16, 2017
Twin Prime Diophantine
awesomeming327.   23
N 3 minutes ago by HDavisWashu
Source: CMO 2025
Determine all positive integers $a$, $b$, $c$, $p$, where $p$ and $p+2$ are odd primes and
\[2^ap^b=(p+2)^c-1.\]
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awesomeming327.
Mar 7, 2025
HDavisWashu
3 minutes ago
Troublesome median in a difficult inequality
JG666   2
N 11 minutes ago by navid
Source: 2022 Spring NSMO Day 2 Problem 3
Determine the minimum value of $\lambda\in\mathbb{R}$, such that for any positive integer $n$ and non-negative reals $x_1, x_2, \cdots, x_n$, the following inequality always holds:
$$\sum_{i=1}^n(m_i-a_i)^2\leqslant \lambda\cdot\sum_{i=1}^nx_i^2,$$Here $m_i$ and $a_i$ denote the median and arithmetic mean of $x_1, x_2, \cdots, x_i$, respectively.

Duanyang ZHANG, High School Affiliated to Renmin University of China
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JG666
May 22, 2022
navid
11 minutes ago
Iran TST Starter
M11100111001Y1R   1
N 18 minutes ago by DeathIsAwe
Source: Iran TST 2025 Test 1 Problem 1
Let \( a_n \) be a sequence of positive real numbers such that for every \( n > 2025 \), we have:
\[
a_n = \max_{1 \leq i \leq 2025} a_{n-i} - \min_{1 \leq i \leq 2025} a_{n-i}
\]Prove that there exists a natural number \( M \) such that for all \( n > M \), the following holds:
\[
a_n < \frac{1}{1404}
\]
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M11100111001Y1R
Yesterday at 7:36 AM
DeathIsAwe
18 minutes ago
Concurrent lines, angle bisectors
legogubbe   0
26 minutes ago
Source: ???
Hi AoPS!

Let $ABC$ be an isosceles triangle with $AB=AC$, and $M$ an arbitrary point on side $BC$. The internal angle bisector of $\angle MAB$ meets the circumcircle of $\triangle ABC$ again at $P \neq A$, and the internal angle bisector of $\angle CAM$ meets it again at $Q \neq A$. Show that lines $AM$, $BQ$ and $CP$ are concurrent.
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legogubbe
26 minutes ago
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Introducing a math summer program for middle school students
harry133   2
N an hour ago by lovematch13
Introducing IITSP, an online math summer program designed for middle school students over summer.

The program is designed by Professor Shubhrangshu Dasgupta from the Department of Physics at the Indian Institute of Technology Ropar (IIT Ropar).

Please check out the webpage if you are interested in.

https://www.imc-impea.org/IMC/bbs/content.php?co_id=iitsp
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harry133
Today at 12:52 AM
lovematch13
an hour ago
Alcumus vs books
UnbeatableJJ   20
N 3 hours ago by SirAppel
If I am aiming for AIME, then JMO afterwards, is Alcumus adequate, or I still need to do the problems on AoPS books?

I got AMC 23 this year, and never took amc 10 before. If I master the alcumus of intermediate algebra (making all of the bars blue). How likely I can qualify for AIME 2026?
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UnbeatableJJ
Apr 23, 2025
SirAppel
3 hours ago
LTE or Binomial Theorem
P_Groudon   111
N 3 hours ago by heheman
Source: 2020 AIME I #12
Let $n$ be the least positive integer for which $149^n - 2^n$ is divisible by $3^3 \cdot 5^5 \cdot 7^7$. Find the number of positive divisors of $n$.
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P_Groudon
Mar 12, 2020
heheman
3 hours ago
Mustang Math Recruitment is Open!
MustangMathTournament   4
N 4 hours ago by heheman
The Interest Form for joining Mustang Math is open!

Hello all!

We're Mustang Math, and we are currently recruiting for the 2025-2026 year! If you are a high school or college student and are passionate about promoting an interest in competition math to younger students, you should strongly consider filling out the following form: https://link.mustangmath.com/join. Every member in MM truly has the potential to make a huge impact, no matter your experience!

About Mustang Math

Mustang Math is a nonprofit organization of high school and college volunteers that is dedicated to providing middle schoolers access to challenging, interesting, fun, and collaborative math competitions and resources. Having reached over 4000 U.S. competitors and 1150 international competitors in our first six years, we are excited to expand our team to offer our events to even more mathematically inclined students.

PROJECTS
We have worked on various math-related projects. Our annual team math competition, Mustang Math Tournament (MMT) recently ran. We hosted 8 in-person competitions based in Washington, NorCal, SoCal, Illinois, Georgia, Massachusetts, Nevada and New Jersey, as well as an online competition run nationally. In total, we had almost 900 competitors, and the students had glowing reviews of the event. MMT International will once again be running later in August, and with it, we anticipate our contest to reach over a thousand students.

In our classes, we teach students math in fun and engaging math lessons and help them discover the beauty of mathematics. Our aspiring tech team is working on a variety of unique projects like our website and custom test platform. We also have a newsletter, which, combined with our social media presence, helps to keep the mathematics community engaged with cool puzzles, tidbits, and information about the math world! Our design team ensures all our merch and material is aesthetically pleasing.

Some highlights of this past year include 1000+ students in our classes, AMC10 mock with 150+ participants, our monthly newsletter to a subscriber base of 6000+, creating 8 designs for 800 pieces of physical merchandise, as well as improving our custom website (mustangmath.com, 20k visits) and test-taking platform (comp.mt, 6500+ users).

Why Join Mustang Math?

As a non-profit organization on the rise, there are numerous opportunities for volunteers to share ideas and suggest projects that they are interested in. Through our organizational structure, members who are committed have the opportunity to become a part of the leadership team. Overall, working in the Mustang Math team is both a fun and fulfilling experience where volunteers are able to pursue their passion all while learning how to take initiative and work with peers. We welcome everyone interested in joining!

More Information

To learn more, visit https://link.mustangmath.com/RecruitmentInfo. If you have any questions or concerns, please email us at contact@mustangmath.com.

https://link.mustangmath.com/join
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MustangMathTournament
May 24, 2025
heheman
4 hours ago
Wrong Answer on a Street Math Challenge
miguel00   17
N Today at 4:09 PM by miguel00
Hello AoPS Community,

I was just watching this video link (those of you that are Korean, you should watch it!) but I came across a pretty hard vector geometry problem (keep in mind contestants have to solve this problem in 5 minutes). No one got this problem (no surprise there) but I am posting because I actually think the answer he gave is wrong.

So the problem goes like this: Referencing the diagram attached, there are three externally tangent unit circles $C_1, C_2, C_3$ on a plane with centers $O_1, O_2, O_3$, respectively. $H$ is feet of the perpendicular from $O_1$ to $O_2O_3$ and $A$ and $B$ are intersections of line $O_1H$ with circle $C_1$. Points $P$ and $Q$ can move around the circle $C_2$ and $C_3$, respectively. Find the maximum possible value of $|\overrightarrow{AQ}+\overrightarrow{PB}|$.


I got my answer but the video said their 1st answer but they later corrected it on the comments to their 2nd answer. I'll let you guys attempt the problem and will give my solution shortly after. Thanks in advance!

-miguel00
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miguel00
Today at 1:37 AM
miguel00
Today at 4:09 PM
2 headed arrows usage
mathprodigy2011   1
N Yesterday at 11:30 PM by alcumusftwgrind
Source: 2003 USAMO 4
I can't upload the file but I was working with someone on 2003 USAMO p4. When we saw "if and only if" I thought it meant we have to prove it both directions. However, when we looked at Evan Chen's solution after writing it out; Evan Chen used double headed arrows and left it at that. My question is, how did he use them and how do I know when I can or can not use them?
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mathprodigy2011
Yesterday at 11:09 PM
alcumusftwgrind
Yesterday at 11:30 PM
4th grader qual JMO
HCM2001   42
N Yesterday at 6:58 PM by BS2012
i mean.. whattttt??? just found out about this.. is he on aops? (i'm sure he is) where are you orz lol..
https://www.mathschool.com/blog/results/celebrating-success-douglas-zhang-is-rsm-s-youngest-usajmo-qualifier
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HCM2001
May 22, 2025
BS2012
Yesterday at 6:58 PM
Do you need to attend mop
averageguy   5
N Yesterday at 5:55 PM by babyzombievillager
So I got accepted into a summer program and already paid the fee of around $5000 dollars. It's for 8 weeks (my entire summer) and it's in person. I have a few questions
1. If I was to make MOP this year am I forced to attend?
2.If I don't attend the program but still qualify can I still put on my college application that I qualified for MOP or can you only put MOP qualifier if you actually attend the program.
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averageguy
Mar 5, 2025
babyzombievillager
Yesterday at 5:55 PM
2014 amc 10 a problem 23
Rook567   3
N Yesterday at 4:13 PM by Rook567
Why do solutions assume 30 60 90 triangles?
If you assume 45 45 90 you get 5/6 as answer, don’t you?
3 replies
Rook567
May 26, 2025
Rook567
Yesterday at 4:13 PM
Inequality with a^2+b^2+c^2+abc=4
cn2_71828182846   72
N Yesterday at 4:12 PM by endless_abyss
Source: USAMO 2001 #3
Let $a, b, c \geq 0$ and satisfy \[ a^2+b^2+c^2 +abc = 4 . \] Show that \[ 0 \le ab + bc + ca - abc \leq 2. \]
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cn2_71828182846
Jun 27, 2004
endless_abyss
Yesterday at 4:12 PM
FE over R
IAmTheHazard   21
N May 24, 2025 by benjaminchew13
Source: ELMO Shortlist 2024/A3
Find all functions $f : \mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$ such that for all real numbers $x$ and $y$,
$$f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y.$$
Andrew Carratu
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IAmTheHazard
Jun 22, 2024
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May 24, 2025
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Let $P(x,y)$ denote the relation $f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y$.
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The solutions are $f(x) \equiv x$ and $f(x) \equiv -x$, which work.

Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion that
\[f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y.\]$P(0,x)$ gives $f(f(x))=f(0)f(x)+f(0)+x$. Notice that $P(f(x),y)$ gives
\[f(f(x)+f(y))+yf(x)=f(f(x))f(y)+f(f(x))+y,\]and subtracting this by its symmetric variant with $x$ and $y$ swapped gives
\[yf(x)-xf(y)=f(f(x))f(y)+f(f(x))+y-f(f(y))f(x)-f(f(y))-x.\]Using $P(0,x)$ to rewrite all the nested $f$'s, the RHS simplifies to $xf(y)-yf(x)$, so we have $xf(y)=yf(x)$. Plugging in $y=1$, we get $f(x)=xf(1)$. If $f(1)=c$, then the functional equation simplifies to $c(x+cy)+xy=c^2xy+cx+y$, which is only true for $c=1,-1$, as desired. $\square$
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Solved with Orthogonal..

We claim the only functions are $\boxed{f(x)\equiv x}$ and $\boxed{f(x)\equiv -x}$. It is easy to check that these work.

Let $P(x,y)$ denote the given assertion. $P(0,x)$ gives $f(f(x))=f(0)f(x)+f(0)+x$. Comparing $P(f(x),1)$ and $P(f(1),x)$ gives $f(x)\equiv f(1)x$. We can show that $f(1)=\pm 1$, as desired. $\square$
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The only solutions are $f(x) = x$ and $f(x) = -x$, which work. Let $P(x,y)$ denote the given assertion.

Case 1: $f(0) = 0$
Then $P(0,x): f(f(x)) = x$, so $f$ is an involution.

$P(1, f(x)): f(x + 1)= x f(1) + f(1)$, so $f$ is linear, meaning $f(x) = cx$ for some constant $c$. Since $f$ is an involution, either $c = 1$ or $c = -1$.

Case 2: $f(0) \ne 0$.
Claim: $f$ is injective.
Proof: If $f(a)= f(b)$, then $P(0,a)$ compared with $P(0,b)$ gives $a = b$. $\square$

Claim: $x + f(x)$ is injective.
Proof: Suppose $a + f(a) = b + f(b)$. Then $P(x,x): f(x + f(x)) - (x + f(x)) = (f(x) - x)(x + f(x))$, so comparing $x = a$ and $x = b$ gives that $(a + f(a)) (f(a) - a)) = (a + f(a)) (f(b) - b)$. If $a + f(a) = 0$, then $P(a,a): f(0) = 0$, absurd. Hence $a + f(a) \ne 0$, so $f(a) - a = f(b)  - b$. Hence \[(f(a) - a) + (f(a) + a) = (f(b) - b) + (f(b) + b) \implies f(a) = f(b) \implies a = b\]$\square$

Now, the equation gives \[ f(x + f(y)) - f(x) - y = f(x) f(y) - xy,\]so swapping $x,y$ here gives $f(x + f(y)) - f(x) - y = f(y + f(x)) - f(y) - x$, so $f(x + f(y))  + (x + f(y)) = f(y + f(x)) + (y + f(x))$, which by our earlier claim implies $x + f(y) = y + f(x)\implies f(x) - x = f(y) - y$, so $f(x) = x + c$ for some constant $c$.

$P(0,0): f(f(0)) = f(0)^2 + f(0)$, so $2c = c^2 + c\implies c\in \{0,1\}$. Checking, we see that $c = 1$ fails, so $c = 0$, but this is absurd since $f(0) \ne 0$.
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Find all functions $f : \mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$ such that for all real numbers $x$ and $y$,
$$f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y.$$
Andrew Carratu

$f(x)f(y)f(z)=f(x+f(y))f(z)+xyf(z)-f(z)f(x)-yf(z)=f(x+f(y)+f(z))+(x+f(y))f(z)-f(x+f(y))-z+xyf(z)-f(x+f(z))-xz+f(x)+z-yf(z)$

Now by the symmetry of $y,z$ we get that:

$f(x+f(y)+f(z))+(x+f(y))f(z)-f(x+f(y))-z+xyf(z)-f(x+f(z))-xz+f(x)+z-yf(z)=$
$f(x+f(z)+f(y))+(x+f(z))f(y)-f(x+f(z))-y+xzf(y)-f(x+f(y))-xy+f(x)+y-zf(y)$
$\Rightarrow xf(z)+xyf(z)-xz-yf(z)=xf(y)+xzf(y)-xy-zf(y)$

In this for $x=0$ we get that:
$-yf(z)=-zf(y)\Rightarrow \frac{f(z)}{z}=\frac{f(y)}{y}\Rightarrow f(x)=cx$

Now in the start we have that:
$cx+c^2y+xy=c^2xy+cx+y\Rightarrow c^2y=y\Rightarrow c=+-1$
So we get that: $\boxed{f(x)\equiv x}$ and $\boxed{f(x)\equiv -x}$.



In the same way we can solve the problem if $f : \mathbb{R^+}\to\mathbb{R^+}$
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Cute one.
$P(0,x)$ -> $f(f(x))=f(x)f(0)+f(0)+x$ $(1)$
By looking at $P(f(x),y)$ and $P(f(y),x)$ we have $f(f(x)+f(y))=f(f(x))f(y)+f(f(x))+y-f(x)y=f(f(y))f(x)+f(f(y))+x-f(y)x$, and by using $(1)$ we observe that $xf(y)=yf(x)$, which means that $f(x)=cx$. And by plugging it into equation one can prove that only solutions are $\boxed{f(x)\equiv x}$ and $\boxed{f(x)\equiv -x}$.
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I am not sure about the surjectivety part
$\textbf{Answer:}$ $f(x)=\pm x \forall x \in \mathbb{R}$

$\textbf{Solution:}$

Let $P(x,y)$-denote the given assertion.

$\textbf{Claim:}$ $f$-bijective

$\textbf{Proof:}$

$P(0,x) \implies f(f(x))=f(x)f(0)+f(0)+x \implies f$-is surjective

f-injective

Since $f$ is both injective and surjective we get that $f$-is bijective. $\square$


$\textbf{Claim:}$ $f(0)=0$
$\textbf{Proof:}$

Since $f$-is surjective there exists an $\alpha$ such that $f(\alpha)=0 \iff \exists \alpha \in \mathbb{R} : f(\alpha)=0$

$P(\alpha,0) \implies f(\alpha+f(0))=0=f(\alpha) \implies f(\alpha+f(0))=f(\alpha) \stackrel{f-injective}{\implies} \alpha+f(0)=\alpha \implies f(0)=0.$ $\square$

$\textbf{Claim:}$ $f(x)= \pm x \forall \in \mathbb{R}$

$\textbf{Proof:}$
$P(0,x) \implies f(f(x))=x$ $...(*)$

$P(x,x) \implies f(x+f(x))+x^2=f(x)^2+f(x)+x \implies f(x+f(x))-x-f(x)=f(x)^2-x^2$
$...(3)$

$P(f(x),f(x)) \stackrel{(*)}{\implies} f(x+f(x))+f(x)^2=x^2+x+f(x) \implies f(x+f(x))-x-f(x)=x^2-f(x)^2$ $...(4)$

$(3)-(4) \implies f(x)^2-x^2=x^2-f(x)^2 \implies f(x)^2=x^2 \implies f(x)= \pm x \forall \in \mathbb{R}$ $\blacksquare$

$\textbf{POINTWISE TRAP!}$
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This solution might be one of the lamest ever :
$P(x,y):f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y$
We will just simplify $P(f(y),1)$ to find the answer :

$ \boxed{f(f(y)+f(1)) +f(y)-1= f(f(y))(f(1)+1)}$

Now : $P(0,y)$ , gives $f(f(y))=f(0)(f(y)+1)+y$
So for the right side we get that : $\boxed{f(f(y))(f(1)+1)=f(y).f(0)(f(1)+1)+f(0)(f(1)+1)+y(f(1)+1)}$
For the left side using $P(f(1),y)$ , we get that :
$f(f(y)+f(1))=f(f(1))(f(y)+1)+y(1-f(1))=[f(0)(f(1)+1)+1](f(y)+1)+y(1-f(1))$

So :$ \boxed{f(f(y)+f(1))+f(y)-1=f(0)(f(1)+1).f(y)+f(0)(f(1)+1)+f(y)+1+f(y)-1+y(1-f(1))}$
Identifying both sides will be left with :
$2f(y)+y(1-f(1)) = y(f(1)+1)$ , thus $f(y)=yf(1)$ , the rest is obvious .
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For above that equation doesn't imply that f is surjective as changing x to some value will also change f(x)
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For above that equation doesn't imply that f is surjective as changing x to some value will also change f(x) an example is $f(x)=(x+1)^2$ ,will get on the right : $ (x+1)^2+(x+1)$ , which doesn't take all values in $R$ such as $-4$
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The solutions are $f(x) = x$ and $f(x)=-x$, which are both easy to verify.

Claim: $f(0) = 0$.
Proof: Assume that $f(0) \neq 0$ FTSOC. Taking $P(x,0)$ gives us
\[f(x+f(0)) = f(x) \cdot (1 + f(0)),\]so incrementing $x$ by $f(0)$ gives some geometric sequence. But the original equation can be rewritten as
\[f(x+f(y)) - f(x)(1+f(y)) = y(1-x),\]and if we increment $x$ by $f(0)$ here, the LHS will multiply by $1+f(0)$. However, the RHS cannot grow exponentially since it is negative for all $x>1$ and positive for all $x < 1$, something no exponential function does. This gives us a contradiction.

Now, taking $P(0,x)$ gives us $f(f(x)) = x$, implying surjectivity, and $P(1,x)$ gives us
\[f(1+f(x)) = f(1)(1+f(x)),\]which is enough to imply that $f$ is linear. Plugging this into our original equation gives the claimed solutions.
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f(x+f(y))+x.y=f(x).f(y)+f(x)+y
Let' s call this P(x,y)
P(0,0) gives us
f(f(0))=f(0)^2+f(0) this call *
P(x, 0) gives us
f(x+f(0))=f(x).f(0)+f(x)
x->-f(0) gives us
f(0)=f(-f(0)).f(0)+f(-f(0))
from this, we can get that:
f(0)/f(f(0))=f(0)+1
from this, * gives us
f(0)^2=f(-f(0)).f(f(0))=A
P(-f(0), f(0))
f(-f(0)+f(f(0)))-f(0)^2=A+f(-f(0))+f(0)
f(-f(0)+f(0)^2+f(0))=2.f(0)^2+f(0)+f(-f(0))
this give
f(f(0)^2)=f(0)^2+f(f(0))+f(-f(0))
P(f(0), f(0)^2)
f(f(0)+f(f(0)^2))+f(0)^3=f(f(0)).f(f(0)^2)+f(f(0))+f(0)^2
f(f(0)+f(0)^2+f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))+f(0)^3=f(f(0)).f(f(0)^2)+f(f(0))+f(0)^2
f(2f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))+f(0)^3=f(f(0)).f(f(0)^2)+f(f(0))+f(0)^2
Now, P(2f(f(0)), -f(0)), which give us
f(2f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))-2.f(f(0)).f(0)=f(2f(f(0))).f(-f(0))+f(2f(f(0)))-f(0)
Now P(x, f(0)) W
f(x+f(f(0)))+f(0).x=f(f(0)).f(x)+f(x)+f(0)
x->f(f(0)), I don' t know why I didn't put this here W
f(2f(f(0)))+f(0).f(f(0))=f(f(0)).f(f(f(0)))+f(f(f(0)))+f(0)
Now I want to find f(f(f(0)))
if we take this P(0, y) we will get this
f(f(y))=f(0).f(y)+f(0)+y
y->f(0), f(f(f(0)))=f(f(0)).f(0)+2.f(0)
if we call f(0) to be (a) and f(f(0)) to be (b), where b=a^2+a( from the beginning)
Then, f(2f(f(0)))+f(0).f(f(0))=f(f(0)).(f(f(0)).f(0)+2.f(0))+f(f(0)).f(0)+2.f(0)+f(0)
we will get this
f(2f(f(0)))+a.b=b.(b.a+2.a)+b.a+2.a+a, which is equivalent to f(2f(f(0)))=b(b.a+2.a)+3.a
f(2f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))-2.f(f(0)).f(0)=f(2f(f(0))).f(-f(0))+f(2f(f(0)))-f(0), Now, from this, we have:
f(2f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))-2.a.b=(b.(b.a+2.a)+3.a).f(-f(0))+b.(b.a+2.a)+3.a-a, call this T
From this, f(2f(f(0))+f(-f(0)))+f(0)^3=f(f(0)).f(f(0)^2)+f(f(0))+f(0)^2, we have that the left side is equal to, also I want to say that f(f(0)^2)=f(0)^2+f(f(0))+f(-f(0))=a^2+b+f(-f(0))
Now, nightmare is coming
The left side=b(a^2+b+f(-f(0)))+b+a^2-a^3
But we have that: f(0)^2=f(f(0)).f(-f(0)), which is equal to a^2=b.f(-f(0)), i.e the left side=a^2.b+b^2+a^2+b+a^2-a^3=a^2.b+b^2+2.a^2+b-a^3, call D
Now-if we multiply whole equation with b, we will get this
(The left side).b=2.b^2.a+(b^2.a+2.a.b+3.a).a^2+b^3.a+2.a.b^2+2.a.b
From D multiply with (b), we get this
a^2.b^2+b^3+2.a^2.b+b^2-a^3.b to be equal to 2.b^2.a+b^2.a^3+2.a^3.b+3.a^3+b^3.a+2.a.b^2+2.a.b
Now, if this above wasn' t nightmare, after we will replaceable b with a^2+a- this will be a real bad nightmare, let's start (teeth)
a^2.(a^2+a)^2+(a^2+a)^3+2.a^2.(a^2+a)+(a^2+a)^2-a^3.(a^2+a)=2.(a^2+a)^2.a+(a^2+a)^2.a^3+2.a^3.(a^2+a)+3.a^3+(a^2+a)^3.a+2.a.(a^2+a)^2+2.a.(a^2+a)
After we use Wolfram Alpha, oops, just a joke, I figured it all myself (sad) , we will get this
+2.a^7+3.a^6+6.a^5+5.a^4+4.a^3+a^2=0, the solution of this two in Real numbers, the one of them is approximately to some digit-negative and stranger, the other solution is 0
Then we have a=0=f(0)
Then, if we put this in this:
f(f(y)=f(0).f(y)+f(0)+y=y, i.e the function is involution
Now, let P(f(x), f(y)) gives us
f(f(x)+y)+f(x).f(y)=x.y+f(y)+x
But P(y,x) gives us
f(f(x)+y)+x.y=f(x).f(y)+f(y)+x, call G
Let sum this two, then this gives us
f(f(x)+y)=f(y)+x
Put this in G gives
x.y=f(x).f(y), y->x gives f(x)^2=x^2
f(x)=+x, f(x)=-x
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P(f(x),y) ,change x,y after this and y=0 implies that f(f(x))×(f(0)+1)=f(x)×f(f(0))+f(f(0))+x-x×f(0).
Plug x=0 we get f(f(y))=f(0)×f(y)+f(0)+y we get f is injective. Also we use this equation above and we get f(x)×(f(0)²+f(0)-f(f(0))) =-2x×f(0)-(f(0)²+f(0)-f((0))) if f(0)²+f(0)-f(f(0)) isn't equal 0 then f(x)=ax+b we check and we get f(x)=x or f(x)=-x. Other case implies that f(0)=0.In common equation we plug x=0 and we get f(f(x))=x.In next steps P(x,f(y)) and we change x,y we get x×f(y)=y×f(x) y=1 and we get f(x)=cx.It is easy to check and find f(x)=x and f(x)=-x answers.We are done.
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$P(0,x)\implies f(f(x))=f(0)(f(x)+1)$
$P(f(x), y)\implies f(f(x)+f(y))+yf(x)=f(0)(f(x)+1)(f(y)+1)+xf(y)+x+y$
$P(f(x),y)-P(x, f(y))\implies  xf(y)=yf(x)\implies \boxed{f(x)=\pm x}$
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The answer is $f(x)=x$ or $f(x)=-x$, which clearly work. Now we prove that this is the only solution. Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion, and let $f(0)=c$.

We have
\begin{align*}
P(0,0) &\implies f(c) = c^2+c \\
P(0,x) &\implies f(f(x)) = cf(x) + c + x \\
P(x,0) &\implies f(x+c) = (c+1)f(x)
\end{align*}
Claim 1: $f(0)=0$.
Take $P(c,1)$ which gives us on one hand,
\[f(c+f(1))+c=(c^2+c)(f(1)+1)+1\]But on the other hand, we have
\begin{align*}
f(f(1)+c)+c &= (c+1)f(f(1)) + c \\
&= (c+1)(cf(1) + c + 1) + c \\
&=(c^2+c)(f(1)+1)+2c+1
\end{align*}which proves our claim.

Now, $P(0,x)$ gives $f(f(x))=x$. Thus when we use $P(f(x),y)$ we get
\[f(f(x)+f(y))+f(x)y=xy+x+y\]Since $xy+x+y-f(f(x)+f(y))$ is symmetric, we must have $f(x)y=f(y)x$, implying that $f(x)/x$ is a constant. Since $f$ is an involution, this constant is $\pm 1$.
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IAmTheHazard wrote:
Find all functions $f : \mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$ such that for all real numbers $x$ and $y$,
$$f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y.$$
Andrew Carratu

Let $P(x,y)$ be the assertion $f(x+f(y))+xy=f(x)f(y)+f(x)+y$.
$P(0,x)\Rightarrow f(f(x))=f(0)(f(x)+1)+x$
$P(f(x),y)\Rightarrow f(f(x)+f(y))-f(0)(f(x)+1)(f(y)+1)=xf(y)-yf(x)+x+y$
Swapping $x,y$ gives $yf(x)-xf(y)=xf(y)-yf(x)$, then setting $y=1$, we have $f(x)=xf(1)$. Testing, only $\boxed{f(x)=x}$ and $\boxed{f(x)=-x}$ work.
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Probably similar solutions are already mentioned. Anyway, I'll go on with mine.
Let $P(x, y)$ denote the given assertion.
$P(0, x): \underline{f(f(x)) = f(0)(f(x) + 1) + x}$
$P(f(x), y): f(f(x) + f(y)) + f(x)y = f(f(x))(f(y) + 1) + y = (f(0)(f(x) + 1) + x)(f(y) + 1) + y = f(0)f(x)f(y) + f(0)f(y) + xf(y) + f(0)f(x) + f(0) + x + y$
$\rightarrow f(f(x) + f(y)) = (x + y) + f(0)f(x)f(y) + f(0)(f(x)f(y) + f(y) + f(x) + 1) + xf(y) - f(x)y$
Now, if we swap $x,y$, the left side stays the same, and all the parts in the right side stay the same, except the $xf(y) - f(x)y$, so:
$$xf(y) - f(x)y = yf(x) - f(y)x \rightarrow 2xf(y) = 2yf(x) \rightarrow \frac{f(x)}{x} = \frac{f(y)}{y} \rightarrow \underline{f(x) = kx}$$And by checking this format in the equation, we find that only $k = 1, -1$ are the solutions, therefore the only answers are $\boxed{f(x) = x \quad \forall x \in \mathbb{R}}$ and $\boxed{f(x) = -x \quad \forall x \in \mathbb{R}}$. $\blacksquare$ :)
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One linear:
$P(x+f(z),y)$ and swap $y,z$ you can find that $\frac{f(x)}{x}$ is a constant
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Define $P(x,y)$ as the given assertion.
$P(x,0):f(x+f(0))=f(x)(f(0) + 1)$
$P(3+f(0), 1):f(0)=0$
$P(0, x):f(f(x))=x$, $f$ is bijective.
$P(1,x):f(1 + f(x))=(f(x)+1)f(1)$
$P(1,f(x - 1)):f(x)=xf(1)$
So $f(x) = xc$ for some constant $c$.
$P(2, 1):c=1\text{ or }-1.$
We can see that both $c=1$ and $c=-1$ works, and so the solutions are
$f(x)= x$ and $f(x) = -x.$
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