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Soupboy0

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#1 h Apr 4, 2025, 5:44 PM

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https://www.mathcounts.org/resources/past-competitions

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Soupboy0

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#2 h Apr 4, 2025, 5:45 PM • 2 Y

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wait actually i think its about to drop MATHCOUNTS just has not finished replacing the PDFs

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jb2015007

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#3 h Apr 4, 2025, 6:04 PM • 1 Y

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YES ITS OUT FINALLY

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jb2015007

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#4 h Apr 4, 2025, 6:04 PM • 1 Y

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bruh i added wrong on 24 and 25

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c_double_sharp

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#5 h Apr 4, 2025, 6:07 PM • 1 Y

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s11 was dumb i added wrong
s18 was dumb how did i not see that
s23 was dumb how did i not see that
s24 was dumb how am i not able to read properly
s27 was dumb like the official solution was assume rectangle
t6 was dumb like i did not calcbash enough terms
t8 was dumb how did i not see that

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MathPerson12321

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#6 h Apr 4, 2025, 6:23 PM • 1 Y

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c_double_sharp wrote:

s11 was dumb i added wrong
s18 was dumb how did i not see that
s23 was dumb how did i not see that
s24 was dumb how am i not able to read properly
s27 was dumb like the official solution was assume rectangle
t6 was dumb like i did not calcbash enough terms
t8 was dumb how did i not see that

totally agree

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iwastedmyusername

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#7 h Apr 4, 2025, 7:24 PM • 3 Y

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wth is the explanation for t8

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jb2015007

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#8 h Apr 4, 2025, 7:32 PM • 1 Y

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ikr mc quality has dropped so much this past year

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MathPerson12321

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#9 h Apr 4, 2025, 7:56 PM • 1 Y

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iwastedmyusername wrote:

wth is the explanation for t8

ikr

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Soupboy0

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#10 h Apr 4, 2025, 7:57 PM

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bro why does mathcounts coordbash 90% of geo problems

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maxamc

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#11 h Apr 4, 2025, 8:18 PM

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c_double_sharp wrote:

s11 was dumb i added wrong
s18 was dumb how did i not see that
s23 was dumb how did i not see that
s24 was dumb how am i not able to read properly
s27 was dumb like the official solution was assume rectangle
t6 was dumb like i did not calcbash enough terms
t8 was dumb how did i not see that

I also assume rectangle because I hate rigorous geometry

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PuppyPenguinDolphin

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#12 h Apr 4, 2025, 8:30 PM

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iwastedmyusername wrote:

wth is the explanation for t8

Can someone explain why the expectation is the reciprocal?

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Eddie_tiger

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#13 h Apr 4, 2025, 9:06 PM • 1 Y

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PuppyPenguinDolphin wrote:

iwastedmyusername wrote:

wth is the explanation for t8

Can someone explain why the expectation is the reciprocal?

I think it’s because 2/27 is the probability of having the set, and expected value is just 1/p. You will need to memorize that E = 1/p

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SpeedCuber7

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#14 h Apr 4, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Eddie_tiger wrote:

PuppyPenguinDolphin wrote:

iwastedmyusername wrote:

wth is the explanation for t8

Can someone explain why the expectation is the reciprocal?

I think it’s because 2/27 is the probability of having the set, and expected value is just 1/p. You will need to memorize that E = 1/p

this post does a very good job of explaining why $E = \frac1p$

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Owen314159

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#15 h Apr 4, 2025, 9:24 PM • 1 Y

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PuppyPenguinDolphin wrote:

iwastedmyusername wrote:

wth is the explanation for t8

Can someone explain why the expectation is the reciprocal?

Because it's kind of like saying it has a $2$ in $27$ chance of happening, so it happens twice every $27$ times. This means that it is expected to happen once every $27/2$ times.

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Soupboy0

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#40 h Apr 5, 2025, 1:08 PM

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i memorized sprint 20 before the competition:skull:

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MathPerson12321

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#41 h Apr 5, 2025, 3:12 PM

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@3above correct, this works for one time things and mostly is an intro to expected value.

You have to consider the other factors as well.

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superhuman233

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#42 h Apr 5, 2025, 5:59 PM

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i was so lucky that i guessed sprint 20 right otherwise i wouldn't have made nats

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ilikemath247365

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#43 h Apr 5, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Bro, sprint 20 took the most time for me in the first 20. I can't believe that I actually did coordinate geometry on the real test on this problem!

I also almost trolled this problem. I miscalculated by somehow getting the square root of 49/25 but I clutched and caught my mistake to change it to the square root of 81/25 which is 9/5.

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#44 h Apr 5, 2025, 6:02 PM

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superhuman233 wrote:

i was so lucky that i guessed sprint 20 right otherwise i wouldn't have made nats

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how is that guessing lmao, it's how you're supposed to solve it. honestly belongs in first 10 questions

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jb2015007

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#45 h Apr 5, 2025, 6:16 PM • 1 Y

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20 was didnt take too long for me
js had to draw the altitude and do some coord bashing then pythag then ur done

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#46 h Apr 6, 2025, 12:34 AM • 1 Y

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You could've also used the altitude theorem for #20 but I guess that's just similar triangles

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PikaPika999

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#47 h Apr 6, 2025, 12:44 AM

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MathPerson12321 wrote:

c_double_sharp wrote:

s11 was dumb i added wrong
s18 was dumb how did i not see that
s23 was dumb how did i not see that
s24 was dumb how am i not able to read properly
s27 was dumb like the official solution was assume rectangle
t6 was dumb like i did not calcbash enough terms
t8 was dumb how did i not see that

totally agree

fr tho

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giratina3

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#48 h Apr 6, 2025, 1:44 AM • 1 Y

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I choked #7 on sprint because I thought for some stupid reason that the maximum area of a triangle with perimeter 24 was a right triangle :wallbash:

Probably could have gone to nationals with that question. Just saying...

Sigh... guess I just wasn't able to make nationals because I'm too nervous during the test... which is exactly what happened last year too.

So close to nationals... yet so far...

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martianrunner

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#49 h Apr 7, 2025, 4:17 AM

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i had seen some extremely trivial solution for p4 target that didn't even require a calculator but i forgot it now

does anyone have a non-bash solution for that one

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derekwang2048

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#50 h Apr 7, 2025, 4:23 AM

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i just solved the system of equations and it was pretty straightforward, i realized how to do it with like 2 minutes left

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Bummer12345

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#51 h Apr 7, 2025, 1:01 PM

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martianrunner wrote:

i had seen some extremely trivial solution for p4 target that didn't even require a calculator but i forgot it now

does anyone have a non-bash solution for that one

here are 5 stupid solutions to target #4

sol 1 (sort of bash, most logical)

sol 2 (cheese, no bash)

sol 3 (graphing calc)

sol 4 (even more cheese)

sol 5 (sol 2+3 equals 5)

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c_double_sharp

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#52 h Apr 7, 2025, 1:31 PM • 1 Y

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p8 is 27/2 confirmed but why does the official solution work

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happypi31415

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#53 h Apr 7, 2025, 4:48 PM • 2 Y

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The official solution works because the coins follow a Binomial Distribution, which means that we have that $E[x]=np$ where $E[x]$ is the expected value, $p$ is the probability, and $n$ is the number of trials. This also follows from linearity of expectation on each of the groups of $3$ . Then, setting $E[x]=1$ and $p=\frac{2}{27}$ gives the desired answer.

Alternatively, another easy solution is to use recursion: suppose that we want the expected number of rolls, $x$ , until an event happens with probability $p$ . Then, we have that $x=p+(x+1)(1-p)$ which rearranges to the desired $x=\frac{1}{p}$ .

edit: thinking about it now im not completely sure this is valid because expected amount of rolls between HTH and TTT is different but whatever

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fruitmonster97

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#54 h Apr 7, 2025, 5:29 PM

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target seems interesting
personal difficulty ratings: 1 is trivial, 10 is nats t8(from a year not named 2024 or 2023)
t1: 1, trivial, just average 9876 and 5432.
t2: 1.5 to 2, trivial but annoying.
First two seem hard to silly, esp. with 1 being so easy.
t3: 1 to 1.5, also trivial.
t4: 2 to 2.5, too easy for the placement.
Another very sweepable round, as intended. Nowhere near the difficulty of last year's t4(which was the only one i got wrong last year).
t5: 1 to 1.5, just floor(202/24)
t6: 6 to 7, imo perfect placement. nontrivial. Albeit you don't even have to find the intended solution, simply approximate 2^2025-1 to 2^2025 and plugging the first ~13 terms into a calc should give a good approximation.
t7: 3 to 3.5, fair placement. simple crt.
t8: 4 to 9, really just depends on your perception. there are definitely people who just assumed you can always reciprocate, but there are definitely people who tried much, much harder methods.

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