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f(x)+f(1-x)=0
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Find all functions $f:\mathbb (0;1] \to\mathbb R$ such that
$$f(x)+f(1-x)=0\; \forall x \in (0;1] $$
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BMO 2024 SL A1
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A1.

Let \( u, v, w \) be positive reals. Prove that there is a cyclic permutation \( (x, y, z) \) of \( (u, v, w) \) such that the inequality:

\[
\frac{a}{xa + yb + zc} + \frac{b}{xb + yc + za} + \frac{c}{xc + ya + zb} \geq \frac{3}{x + y + z}
\]
holds for all positive real numbers \( a, b \) and \( c \).
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Let $\mathbb{R}$ denote the set of all real numbers. Find all functions $f : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ such that
$$f(xy) + f(f(y)) = f((x + 1)f(y))$$for all real numbers $x$, $y$.

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Sequences and limit
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Let $({{x}_{n}}),({{y}_{n}})$ be two positive sequences defined by ${{x}_{1}}=1,{{y}_{1}}=\sqrt{3}$ and
\[ \begin{cases}  {{x}_{n+1}}{{y}_{n+1}}-{{x}_{n}}=0 \\   x_{n+1}^{2}+{{y}_{n}}=2 \end{cases} \] for all $n=1,2,3,\ldots$.
Prove that they are converges and find their limits.
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Let $({{x}_{n}}),({{y}_{n}})$ be two positive sequences defined by ${{x}_{1}}=1,{{y}_{1}}=\sqrt{3}$ and
\[ \begin{cases}  {{x}_{n+1}}{{y}_{n+1}}-{{x}_{n}}=0 \\   x_{n+1}^{2}+{{y}_{n}}=2 \end{cases} \] for all $n=1,2,3,\ldots$.
Prove that they are converges and find their limits.
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Assume $x_n = 2\sin \theta_n$ and $y_n = 2\cos \theta_n$ for some $\theta_n \in (0,\pi/2)$. Then $x_{n+1}^2 = 2(1-\cos \theta_n) = 4\sin^2 \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}$, so $x_{n+1} = 2\sin \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}$ (the sequences have positive terms), and then $y_{n+1} = \dfrac {x_n} {x_{n+1}} =  \dfrac { 2\sin \theta_n} {2\sin \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}} =  \dfrac { 2\sin \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}\cos \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}} {\sin \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}} =2\cos \dfrac {\theta_n}{2}$.

Since $x_{1} = 1 = 2\sin \dfrac {\pi}{6}$ and $y_{1} = \sqrt{3} = 2\cos \dfrac {\pi}{6}$, the conclusion painlessly follows (the limits are $0$, respectively $2$).
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why $-2\le {{x}_{n}}\le 2$?
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mavropnevma
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Well, we did not know that beforehand, but starting with the given values, it follows that any time $x_1,y_1 > 0$ and $x_1^2+y_1^2 = 4$, meaning we can take $x_1 = 2\sin \theta$ and $y_1 = 2\cos \theta$, by induction we will get $x_n = 2\sin \dfrac {\theta} {2^{n-1}} $ and $y_n = 2\cos \dfrac {\theta} {2^{n-1}} $.
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@mavropnevma,
We have the part 'positive sequences'!
So, $y_n\le 2$ and $x_n\le \sqrt{2}$ :)
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The requested limits are $\lim_{n \to \infty} x_n = 0$ and $\lim_{n \to \infty} y_n = 2$. Let $x_i = 2 \sin a, y_i = 2 \cos a$ -- observe $x_0^2 + y_0^2=4$. We claim that $$x_{i+1} = 2\sin \frac a2, y_{i+1} = 2\cos \frac a2.$$Indeed, verify by double angle that $$x_{n+1} = \sqrt{2-y_n} \implies x_{n+1} = \sqrt{2-2 \cos a} = 2\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos a}2} = 2 \sin \frac a2,$$and $$x_{n+1} = \frac{x_n}{y_{n+1}} = \frac{2\sin a}{2 \cos \frac a2} = 2\sin \frac a2$$by the double angle formula. But $x_1 = 2\sin \frac{\pi}6$ and $y_1 = 2\cos \frac{\pi}6$, so as $a$ approaches 0, the two limits are 0 and 2.
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Let $x_n=2a_n$ and $y_n=2b_n$ for all $n \geq 1$, so $a_1=1/2$, $b_1=\sqrt{3}/2$, and we have $a_n=2a_{n+1}b_{n+1}$ and $b_n=1-2a_n^2$. Recognizing this, as well as the fact that $a_1=\sin(\pi/3)$ and $b_1=\cos(\pi/3)$, we now claim that $a_n=\sin(2^{1-n}\pi/3)$ and $b_n=\cos(2^{1-n}\pi/3)$. This holds, as we have $\sin(2^{1-n}\pi/3)=2\sin(2^{-n}\pi/3))\cos(2^{-n}\pi/3))$ and $\cos(2^{1-n}\pi/3)=1-2\sin(2^{-n}\pi/3)^2$ by double angle. Then $\lim_{n \to \infty} x_n=2\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=2\lim_{n \to \infty}\sin(2^{1-n}\pi/3)=2\sin(0)=0$, and likewise $\lim_{n \to \infty} y_n=2\cos(0)=2$. $\blacksquare$
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We show that $\lim_{n\to \infty} x_n = 0, \lim_{n\to \infty} y_n = 2$.

Claim: $x_n^2 + y_n^2 = 4$ for all positive integers $n$.
Proof: We induct on $n$ (base case $n=1$ is obvious). Suppose it was true for everything up to $t$. We show $x_{t+1}^2 + y_{t+1}^2 = 4$.

Notice that $x_{t+1}^2= 2 - y_t$, and \[y_{t+1}^2 = \frac{x_t^2}{x_{t+1}^2} = \frac{4 - y_t^2}{2 - y_t} = 2 + y_t\]Hence $x_{t+1}^2 + y_{t+1}^2 = (2-y_t) + (2 + y_t) = 4$. $\square$

Therefore, let $x_n = 2\sin a_n, y_n = 2 \cos a_n$, where $a_n\in (0,\pi/2)$ for all positive integers $n$.

We get $x_{n+1}^2 = 4\sin ^2 a_{n+1} = 2(1-\cos a_n)$, so $2\sin^2 a_{n+1} = 1 - \cos a_n$. Since the sequence is positive, we have $a_{n+1} = a_n/2$ by half angle.

As $n\to \infty$, we have $a_n\to 0$, so $x_n$ tends to $0$ and $y_n$ tends to $2$.
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Note that $x_1=2\sin 30^\circ$, $x_2=\frac{\sqrt{3}-1}{\sqrt{2}}=2\sin 15^\circ$, $y_1=2\cos 30^\circ$, and $y_2=2\cos 15^\circ$. So we want to prove that $x_n=2\sin \left(\frac{30}{2^{n-1}}\right)$, $y_n=2\cos\left(\frac{30}{2^{n-1}}\right)$.

Suppose that $x_n$, $y_n$ are as above, and let's show that this pattern holds for $x_{n+1}$, $y_{n+1}$.
\[x_{n+1}^2=2-y_n=2-2\cos\left(\frac{30}{2^{n-1}}\right)\Longleftrightarrow x_{n+1}=2\sin\left(\frac{30}{2^n}\right).\]Also use the first equation to get $y_{n+1}=\frac{x_n}{x_{n+1}}\Longleftrightarrow y_{n+1}=2\cos\left(\frac{30}{2^n}\right)$ so
\[\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}x_n=0 \text{ and }\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}y_n=2.\]$\blacksquare$
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I claim that $x_n = 2 \sin(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^n))$ and $y_n = 2 \cos(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^n))$. We will prove this by induction on $n$. For $n = 1$, this is true by definition. Else, assume it holds for $n$; we will show it holds for $n + 1$. Using the second given equation, we have
$$x_{n + 1}^2 = 2 - y_n = 2 - 2 \cos \left(\frac{\pi}{3 \cdot 2^n}\right) \implies \left(\frac{x_{n + 1}}{2}\right)^2 = \sqrt{\frac{1 - \cos(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^n))}{2}}.$$By the sine half angle formula, this implies that $x_{n + 1} = 2 \sin (\pi/(3 \cdot 2^{n + 1})).$ For $y_{n + 1}$, we use the first given equation to get
$$y_{n + 1} = \frac{x_n}{x_{n + 1}} = \frac{2 \sin(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^n))}{2 \sin(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^{n + 1}))} = 2 \cos(\pi/(3 \cdot 2^{n + 1})),$$using the sine double angle formula. This completes the induction.

Now, we can see that $\lim_{n \to \infty}x_n = 2 \sin(0) = 0$ and $\lim_{n \to \infty}y_n = 2 \cos(0) = 2$.
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We find that $x_1=1=2\cos{60}$ and $x_2=\frac{\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{2}}{2}=2\cos(75)$, as well as $y_1=\sqrt{3}=2\sin{60}$ and $y_2=\frac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{2}}{2}=2\sin{75}$. Now, we proceed by induction. Suppose that $y_n = 2\sin\theta$ and $x_n=2\cos\theta$, then \[x^2_{n+1}=2-y_n = 2-2\cos(90-\theta) = 2-2(2\cos^2(45-\theta/2)-1)=4\sin^2(45-\theta/2),\]giving $x_{n+1}=2\cos(45+\theta/2)$. Now, since $y_{n+1}=\frac{x_n}{x_{n+1}} = \frac{\cos\theta}{\cos(45+\theta/2)}$, we see that $y_{n+1} = 2\sin(45+\theta/2)$ works because \[2\sin(45+\theta/2)\cos(45+\theta/2) = \sin(90+\theta)=\cos(-\theta)=\cos(\theta).\]Thus, \[(x_n,y_n)=(2\cos\theta, 2\sin\theta)\implies (x_{n+1},y_{n+1}) = (2\cos(45+\theta/2), 2\sin(45+\theta/2)).\]Notice that if $\theta < 90$, then $45+\theta/2 < 90$, and also $\theta/2 < 45$, giving $\theta < 45+\theta/2$. Hence, the sequence of $\theta$s is increasing, yet bounded above by $90$, meaning this sequence converges. Then, we need $\theta = 45 + \theta/2$, giving $\theta=90$, so \[\lim_{n\to\infty}x_n =  2\cos(90) = 0, \lim_{n\to\infty}y_n = 2\sin(90) = 2.\]
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Claim: If $x_n = 2\sin(\theta)$ and $y_n = 2\cos(\theta)$, then we have
\[ x_{n+1} = 2\sin\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right) \qquad \text{and} \qquad y_{n+1} = 2\cos\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right) \]Proof: Plugging in $x_n$ and $y_n$ into the recursive definitions, we're left with the system of equations
\begin{align*}
x_{n+1}y_{n+1} - 2\sin(\theta) &= 0\\
x_{n+1}^2 + 2\cos(\theta) &= 2
\end{align*}We can solve from the second equation that $x_{n+1} = \sqrt{2-2\cos(\theta)} = 2\cos\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)$. Substituting this into the first equation and applying double angle formula, we have
\[ \cos\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)y_{n+1} = 2\sin\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)\cos\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right) \]which simplifies to get us $y_{n+1} = 2\cos\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)$. $\square$

Lastly, since $x_1 = 2\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{6}\right)$ and $y_1 = 2\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{6}\right)$,
\begin{align*}
\lim_{n \to \infty} x_n = \lim_{n \to \infty} 2\sin\left(\frac{\frac{\pi}{6}}{2^n}\right) &= \boxed{0} \qquad \text{and}\\
\lim_{n \to \infty} y_n = \lim_{n \to \infty} 2\cos\left(\frac{\frac{\pi}{6}}{2^n}\right) &= \boxed{2}
\end{align*}
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when you compute $x_2$ and see the trig the entire problem falls apart. consider $x_n = 2 \sin{\theta}, y_n = 2 \cos{\theta}$. It's not hard to see by plugging in that $x_{n+1} = 2 \sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}, y_{n+1} = 2 \cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}$. then the inside of the trig goes to zero and the limit of $x_n$ is $0$ and the limit of $y_n$ is $2$
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Substitute $x_n = 2\cos\theta_n, y_n = 2\sin\theta_n.$ We get that $\theta_n = 2\theta_{n - 1}.$ This finishes. They are 1, 0 respectively.
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Notice that $x_1 = 2\sin 30^\circ$, $x_2 = \frac{\sqrt{3}-1}{\sqrt{2}} = 2\sin 15^\circ$, $y_1 = 2\cos 30^\circ$, and $y_2 = 2\cos 15^\circ$. So we get the hypothesis that $x_n = 2\sin (\frac{30}{2^{n-1}})$ and $y_n = 2\cos(\frac{30}{2^{n-1}})$. Assume that this is true for $x_n$, $y_n$ and we want to show that this is true for $x_{n+1}$, $y_{n+1}$ too. We have that $x_{n+1}^2 = 2-y_n = 2-2\cos(\frac{30}{2^{n-1}})$ $\Rightarrow$ $x_{n+1} = 2\sin(\frac{30}{2^n})$. By the first equation, we have that $y_{n+1} = \frac{x_n}{x_{n+1}}$ $\Rightarrow$ $y_{n+1} = 2\cos(\frac{30}{2^n})$ $\Rightarrow$ $\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}x_n = 0$ and $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}y_n = 2$ and we are ready.
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