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k a April Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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May 8, 2015
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May 16, 2018
Regarding Maaths olympiad prepration
omega2007   13
N a minute ago by omega2007
<Hey Everyone'>
I'm 10 grader student and Im starting prepration for maths olympiad..>>> From scratch (not 2+2=4 )

Do you haves compiled resources of Handouts,
PDF,
Links,
List of books topic wise

which are shared on AOPS (and from your perspective) for maths olympiad and any useful thing, which will help me in boosting Maths olympiad prepration.
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square root problem that involves geometry
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N 3 minutes ago by kjhgyuio
If x is a nonnegative real number , find the minimum value of √x^2+4 + √x^2 -24x +153

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PoP+Parallel
Solilin   3
N 4 minutes ago by ND_
Source: Titu Andreescu, Lemmas in Olympiad Geometry
Let ABC be a triangle and let D, E, F be the feet of the altitudes, with D on BC, E on CA, and F on AB. Let the parallel through D to EF meet AB at X and AC at Y. Let T be the intersection of EF with BC and let M be the midpoint of side BC. Prove that the points T, M, X, Y are concyclic.
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D1010 : How it is possible ?
Dattier   16
N 6 minutes ago by Dattier
Source: les dattes à Dattier
Is it true that$$\forall n \in \mathbb N^*, (24^n \times B \mod A) \mod 2 = 0 $$?

A=1728400904217815186787639216753921417860004366580219212750904
024377969478249664644267971025952530803647043121025959018172048
336953969062151534282052863307398281681465366665810775710867856
720572225880311472925624694183944650261079955759251769111321319
421445397848518597584590900951222557860592579005088853698315463
815905425095325508106272375728975

B=2275643401548081847207782760491442295266487354750527085289354
965376765188468052271190172787064418854789322484305145310707614
546573398182642923893780527037224143380886260467760991228567577
953725945090125797351518670892779468968705801340068681556238850
340398780828104506916965606659768601942798676554332768254089685
307970609932846902
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mathcounts state score thread
Soupboy0   70
N Today at 3:33 AM by Drekie
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FTW tournament!
evt917   282
N Today at 3:14 AM by Yrock
[center]Since all FTW tournaments have dramatically failed, I'm trying a different format. Here is how it works:

1. Type \signup{your rating (type 800 for unrated)}

2. You will pick who you want to play with. You can play if they accept your challenge. So basically the players run everything. Just don't intentionally play low-rated people. Also try to play different people so everyone gets a chance to play! ONLY two player games.

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recommended format if you cannot decide



5. The tournament goes on until april 18th! Extremely long, right? Note that you can still signup after the first games has started, but you will have a disadvantage because some people who signed up as soon as the tournament started already has points.

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Soupboy0   62
N Today at 3:01 AM by Soupboy0
les goo its finally april
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Mathcounts state iowa
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N Today at 2:52 AM by ixplujra
Ok I’m a 6th grader in Iowa who got 38 in chapter which was first, so what are the chances of me getting in nats? I should feel confident but I don’t. I have a week until states and I’m getting really anxious. What should I do? And also does the cdr count in Iowa? Because I heard that some states do cdr for fun or something and that it doesn’t count to final standings.
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Problem of the week
evt917   55
N Today at 2:48 AM by Owen314159
Whenever possible, I will be posting problems twice a week! They will be roughly of AMC 8 difficulty. Have fun solving! Also, these problems are all written by myself!

First problem:

$20^{16}$ has how many digits?
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V0305   3
N Today at 12:59 AM by jb2015007
$P(x)$ is a quadratic polynomial such that $P(1) = 2$ and $P(2) = 5$. Find all possible values of $P(7) - P(-4)$.
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ilikemath247365   4
N Today at 12:05 AM by pingpongmerrily
Yay, MATHCOUNTS stuff has finally been published. Here is a nice problem from this year's test(that I sillied).

Ten fair coins are flipped simultaneously. What is the probability that the
product of the number of coins landing heads up and the number landing tails up
is at least 20? Express your answer as a common fraction.
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ilikemath247365
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real math problems
Soupboy0   43
N Today at 12:00 AM by fruitmonster97
Ill be posting questions once in a while. Here's the first question:

What fraction of numbers from $1$ to $1000$ have the digit $7$ and are divisible by $3$?
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9 MATHCOUNTS STATE difficulty
Eddie_tiger   67
N Yesterday at 8:26 PM by DhruvJha
I personally thought the problems were much easier than last year, but I didn't really improve as much as I would of liked to improve.
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2⁠0⁠⁠2⁠4
Technodoggo   80
N Yesterday at 7:19 PM by SpeedCuber7
Happy New Year!
To celebrate the start of 2024, I've decided to put up a few facts about the year. I don't have many, so y'all should also

1

2

(1 and 2 are the same :sob: just distribute)

Post more cool facts here! Keep a running chain with quote boxes for facts. (I don't know if this technically qualifies as a marathon, but I hope this is allowed lol)
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A projectional vision in IGO
Shayan-TayefehIR   15
N Mar 30, 2025 by mcmp
Source: IGO 2024 Advanced Level - Problem 3
In the triangle $\bigtriangleup ABC$ let $D$ be the foot of the altitude from $A$ to the side $BC$ and $I$, $I_A$, $I_C$ be the incenter, $A$-excenter, and $C$-excenter, respectively. Denote by $P\neq B$ and $Q\neq D$ the other intersection points of the circle $\bigtriangleup BDI_C$ with the lines $BI$ and $DI_A$, respectively. Prove that $AP=AQ$.

Proposed Michal Jan'ik - Czech Republic
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A projectional vision in IGO
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In the triangle $\bigtriangleup ABC$ let $D$ be the foot of the altitude from $A$ to the side $BC$ and $I$, $I_A$, $I_C$ be the incenter, $A$-excenter, and $C$-excenter, respectively. Denote by $P\neq B$ and $Q\neq D$ the other intersection points of the circle $\bigtriangleup BDI_C$ with the lines $BI$ and $DI_A$, respectively. Prove that $AP=AQ$.

Proposed Michal Jan'ik - Czech Republic
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I didn't like it very much, because it's basically two not much related problems combined into one problem (or at least my solution makes it look like that). Anyway, we show that $AP=AI=AQ$, refer to the first image for $AQ=AI$ and to the second for $AP=AI$.
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Part $I$: $AI=AQ$.
Proof of Part $I$: We have $I_AI.I_AA=I_AB.I_AC=I_AD.I_AQ$ hence $Q,A,I,D$ are concyclic. Also since $-1=(DC,DA;DI_A,DI)=(DC,DA;DQ,DI)$ and $\measuredangle ADC=90$, we observe that $\measuredangle QDA=\measuredangle ADI$ which implies $AQ=AI$.$\square$

Part $II$: $AI=AP$.
Proof of Part $II$: First we present a lemma.
Lemma: $ABC$ is a triangle with $AB=AC$ and altitude $AD$. Let $P$ be an arbitrary point on $BC$ where $I_1,I_2$ are the incenters of $\triangle PAB$ and $\triangle PAC$. Prove that $I_1,I_2,P,D$ are concyclic.
Proof: This is a special case of Serbia 2018 P1 and it can be proved by the method of moving points with rotations centered at $A$ and $D$.$\square$
Let $K\in BI$ with $AI=AK$ We will show that $\measuredangle I_CDK=\measuredangle I_CBK=90$. Let $C'$ be the reflection of $C$ over $D$. $CI\cap AD=F,BI_C\cap C'F=S$. By above lemma, since $S$ and $I$ are the incenters of triangles $\triangle AC'B$ and $\triangle ACB$ we see that $S,B,I,D$ are concyclic. Apply DDIT on quadrilateral $SI_CIK$ to get that $(\overline{DS},\overline{DI}),(\overline{DI_C},\overline{DK}),(\overline{DB},\overline{DF})$ is an involution. Note that $\measuredangle BDF=90=\measuredangle SDI$ hence this involution must be rotating $90$ degrees. Thus, $\measuredangle I_CDK=90$ as desired.$\blacksquare$
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This is also very easy using barycentric coordinates.

Claim: $AQ=AI$.

Proof: Notice that $AI_cBI$ is cyclic so by PoP we have \[I_aA\cdot I_aI=I_aB\cdot I_aI_c=I_aD\cdot I_aQ\]So $DIAQ$ is cyclic. Now note that $-1=(I_a,I;AI\cap BC,A)$ and $\angle ADC=90^\circ$, so $DA$ is the angle bisector of $\angle QDI$ so $AQ=AI$.

Now we use barycentric coordinates to show that $AP=AI$. Set $ \triangle ABC$ as the reference triangle.

\begin{align*}
    D&=(0:a^2+b^2-c^2:a^2+c^2-b^2)\\
    I_c&=(a:b:-c)
\end{align*}
The equation of the circle $(I_cBD)$ is \[-a^2yz-b^2zx-c^2xy+(x+y+c)(ux+vy+wz)=0\]Now since $B$ lies on this circle we get $v=0$. Plugging $D$ and canceling a factor of $a^2(a^2+c^2-b^2)$ gives $w=(a^2+b^2-c^2)/2$. Finally, plugging $I_c$ in the equation yields \[ua-wc=-abc\implies ua+wc=2wc-abc=c(a^2+b^2-c^2-ab)\]
Now let $P=(a:t:c)$. Plugging $P$ in the equation and canceling a factor of $c(a-b+c)$ gives \[t=\frac{a^2}{b+c}-c\]Therefore \[P=\left(\frac{b+c}{a+b+c},\frac{a^2-bc-c^2}{a(a+b+c)},\frac{bc+c^2}{a(a+b+c)}\right)\]So $\overrightarrow{AP}$ has displacement vector \[\left(\frac{-a}{a+b+c},\frac{a^2-bc-c^2}{a(a+b+c)},\frac{bc+c^2}{a(a+b+c)}\right)\]Finally, plugging this into the length formula gives

\begin{align*}
    (a+b+c)^2\cdot AP^2&=-(a^2-bc-c^2)(bc+c^2)+b^2(bc+c^2)+c^2(a^2-bc-c^2)\\
    &=-a^2bc+2b^2c^2+b^3c+c^3b
\end{align*}
The displacement vector of $\overrightarrow{AI}$ is \[\left(\frac{-b-c}{a+b+c},\frac{b}{a+b+c},\frac{c}{a+b+c}\right)\]So by the distance formula \[(a+b+c)^2\cdot AI^2=-a^2bc+2b^2c^2+b^3c+c^3b\]And this concludes the proof. $\blacksquare$
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Another way for $AI=AP$ is in complex plane $P=a^2+b^2+\frac{b^2c}{a}+bc+ba$
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One can easily prove that $AIDQ$ is cyclic by PoP. Next, harmonic bundles imply that $AD$ bisects $QDI$. Then, $AQ=AI$. Then, $\angle QAI=\angle IDI_a=2\angle QDB=2\angle QPB$. Hence, $A$ is the center of $(QPI)$. So, we are done.
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Alternative synthetic proof of $AQ = AI$:
As said above, by $POP$ we have $AIDQ$ cyclic and want to show $\angle IDA = \angle ADQ$.
Note that $\angle ADQ = \angle I_ADC$.
Now consider the homothety centered at $A$ which sends the incircle to the A-excircle. This sends $BC$ to a parallel line $B'C'$, also tangent to the excircle and $D \rightarrow D'$ on that line. Because the excircle is tangent to $BC$ and the new parallel line, $I_A$ mus lie on the perpendicular bisector of $DD'$. Thus we have:
\[ \angle I_ADD' = \angle I_AD'D \implies \angle I_ADC = \angle I_AD'C' \]However we have $\angle I_AD'C' = \angle IDC$ because of the homothety. This now implies:
\[ \angle I_ADC = \angle IDC \implies \angle IDA = \angle ADQ \]
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Lemma: $AQ=AI$
Proof: We first claim that $QAID$ is cyclic. This follows because $AIBI_C$ is cyclic by Fact 5, and radical axis theorem on $(AIBI_C), (BDI_C)$ from point $I_A$ finishes.

Now, we claim that $AD$ bisects $QDI$, which would suffice by Fact 5. By Appolonian circles, it suffices to show $(DQ\cap CI, I; DA\cap CI, C)=-1$. Yet projecting through $D$ onto $AI$, we see that this follows from $(I_A, I; A, AD\cap CI)=-1$ which is well-known (or follows from $IBI_A$ right and $BI$ bisecting $\angle ABC$).

Now, note that we wish to show $\angle AIP=\angle IPA$, yet the left hand side is clearly $\angle AI_CB$ by Fact 5. Now, consider forced overlaid inversion at $A$. If $D'$ is the antipode of $A$ in $(ABC)$, and $(I_BCD')\cap (ACI_A)$ is $P'$. Now forced overlaid inversion at $C$. We note that the perpendicular at $C$ to $BC$ intersects $AB$ at $D''$, and $D''I_A\cap BI_B=P''$, it remains to show $BC$ is the bisector of $\angle P''CI_A$. However, as $\angle BCD''$ is right, by Appolonian circles, it suffices to show that $(D'', BC\cap I_AD''; P'', I_A)=-1$. Yet
\[(D'', BC\cap I_AD''; P'', I_A)\overset{B}{=}(A, C; BI\cap AC, BI_A\cap AC)=-1\]from right angles and bisector.

Thus, we have $AP=AI=AQ$, as desired.
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Claim: $AP = AI$ (The tricky part)
Proof: Let $BB'$ be a diameter of the circumcircle of $\triangle BDI_C$. Notice $BPB'I_C$ is a rectangle. Let $AI$ meet $B'P$ at $I'$. Then $AB'I'I_C$ is cyclic with diameter $I'I_C$. Also, since $\angle B'DB = 90^\circ = \angle ADB$, the points $B'$, $A$, and $D$ are collinear. As $AI_C \perp II'$ and
\[
\angle AI'I_C = \angle AB'I_C = \angle DB'I_C = 180^\circ - \angle CBI_C = \angle ABI_C = \angle AII_C,
\]it follows that $AI = AI'$. Since $\angle IPI' = 90^\circ$, the claim follows.
Claim: $AQ = AI$ (The projective part)
Proof: Let $AI$ meet $BC$ at $K$. As $\angle IBI_A = 90^\circ$ and $\angle ABI = \angle IBK$, it follows that $(AK; II_A)$ is harmonic. But as $\angle ADK = 90^\circ$, we must have $\angle IDK = \angle KDI_A$, or equivalently $\angle IDA = \angle ADQ$. Since $AIBI_C$ is cyclic,
\[
I_AA \cdot I_AI = I_AI_C \cdot I_AB = I_AQ \cdot I_AD,
\]thus $AIDQ$ is cyclic. Since $\angle IDA = \angle ADQ$, we have that $A$ is the midpoint of arc $\widehat{IQ}$, finishing the claim.
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We will show that $AP = AI = AQ$. The proof will be split into two parts.
Part 1: $AQ = AI$.
[asy]
size(13cm);
import geometry;

draw(unitcircle, blue+white);

pair A = dir(130);
pair B = dir(210);
pair C = dir(330);
draw(A -- B -- C -- cycle);
pair I = incenter(A,B,C);
pair I_A = intersectionpoint(line(A,I),perpendicular(B,line(B,I)));
pair I_C = intersectionpoint(line(C,I),line(B,I_A));
pair D = intersectionpoint(line(B,C),perpendicular(A,line(B,C)));

transform reflect = reflect(perpendicular(circumcenter(I_C,B,D),line(I_A,D)));
pair Q = reflect * D;



dot("$A$", A, dir(A));
dot("$B$", B, dir(B));
dot("$C$", C, dir(C));
dot("$I_A$", I_A, dir(I_A));
dot("$I_C$", I_C, dir(I_C));
dot("$D$", D, S);
dot("$I$", I, dir(I));
dot("$Q$", Q, dir(Q));

draw(circumcircle(I_C,B,D), red);
draw(A -- I_A -- I_C -- C);
draw(I_A -- Q);
draw(circumcircle(A,I,D), red);
draw(I -- D -- A);

markangle(I,D,A, grey);
markangle(A,D,Q, grey);
[/asy]
By PoP, we have $I_AD \cdot I_AQ = I_AB \cdot I_AI_C = I_AI \cdot I_AA$ so $Q$, $A$, $I$ and $D$ are cyclic. On the other hand, we have $-1 = (A, AI \cap BC; I, I_A)$ so $DC$ bisects the angle $\angle I_ADI$. Thus $DA$ bisects the angle $\angle IDQ$, so $AI = AQ$.

Part 2: $AP = AI$.
Let $I_B$ be the $B$-excenter. Let $K$ be the reflection of $I$ across $A$, and redefine $P$ to be the foot from $K$ to $BI_B$. Since $AI = AK$, we have $AI = AP$, so it suffices to show that $I_CPDB$ is cyclic
[asy]size(13cm);
import geometry;



pair A = dir(130);
pair B = dir(210);
pair C = dir(330);

pair I = incenter(A,B,C);
pair I_A = intersectionpoint(line(A,I),perpendicular(B,line(B,I)));
pair I_C = intersectionpoint(line(C,I),line(B,I_A));
pair D = intersectionpoint(line(B,C),perpendicular(A,line(B,C)));
pair I_B = intersectionpoint(line(I_C,A),line(I_A,C));
pair K = reflect(line(I_C,A)) * I;
pair P = intersectionpoint(line(B,I),perpendicular(K,line(B,I)));

filldraw(I_C -- I_B -- P -- cycle, orange+white+white+white);
filldraw(I_C -- C -- D -- cycle, orange+white+white+white);


draw(unitcircle, blue+white);


dot("$A$", A, dir(A));
dot("$B$", B, dir(B));
dot("$C$", C, dir(C));
dot("$I_A$", I_A, dir(I_A));
dot("$I_C$", I_C, dir(I_C));
dot("$D$", D, S);
dot("$I$", I, dir(I));
dot("$I_B$", I_B, dir(I_B));
dot("$K$", K, dir(K));
dot("$P$", P, dir(P));

draw(A -- B -- C -- cycle);
draw(K -- I_A -- I_C -- C);
draw(D -- A);
draw(circumcircle(I_A,I_B,I_C), blue);
draw(I_C -- I_B -- I_A);
draw(B -- I_B);
draw(A -- P -- K);
draw(I_B -- K);
markrightangle(K,P,I);
draw(circumcircle(I_C,B,D), red+dashed);


[/asy]
By a quick angle chase, we see that $\triangle KPI_B \sim ADC$, so $$\frac{PI_B}{DC} = \frac{KI_B}{AC} = \frac{I_CI_B}{I_CC}$$Combining this with the fact that $\angle I_CI_BP = \angle I_CCD$, we see that $\triangle I_CI_BP \sim \triangle I_CCD$. Thus, $\angle I_CDB = \angle IPB$ so the conclusion follows.
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We first show $AQ = AI$.
Since $BI_C, DQ, AI$ concur at $I_A$, and $(DQBI_C), (BI_CAI)$ are cyclic, we can conclude $(DQAI)$ is cyclic by radical axis. Then $AQ = DI\frac{AI_A}{DI_A}$ by $\triangle I_ADI \sim \triangle I_AAQ$. Letting $EI_A$ be the reflection of $DI_A$ over the perpendicular from $I_A$ to $AD$, it suffices to prove $EI_A \parallel DI$, as this will give $\triangle EI_AA \sim \triangle DIA$ and then $\frac{DI}{DI_A} = \frac{DI}{EI_A} = \frac{AI}{AI_A}$, as desired. Since $\angle AEI_A = \angle EDI_A$, it suffices to prove $\angle EDI_A = \angle ADI$, or equivalently $\angle IDC = \angle I_ADC$, but this is obvious from the angle bisector and right angle harmonic lemma.

To show $AP = AI$, we show that $P$ is the reflection of $I$ over the Iran point that is the intersection of the $A$ midline and $BI$. We can identify this Iran point in barycentrics as $(\frac 12,  \frac{a - c}{2a}, \frac{c}{2a})$. The incenter is given as $(\frac{a}{a + b + c}, \frac{b}{a + b + c}, \frac{c}{a + b+  c})$. The desired reflection is then given as $(\frac{b + c}{a + b + c}, \frac{a^2 - bc- c^2}{(a(a + b+ c)} , \frac{bc + c^2}{a(a + b + c)})$, or $(b + c : \frac{a^2 - bc - c^2}{a} : \frac{bc + c^2}{a})$. Next, we compute the coefficients of the circle $(BDI_C)$, clearly $v = 0$. Then plugging in the coordinates of $I_c$ gives $-a^2bc -b^2ac + c^2ab = (b + a - c)(ua - vc)$, or $-abc = ua - wc$. Plugging in the coordinates of $D$ (which are $(0:S_{AC}:S_{AB})$) gives $a^2S_AS_AS_BS_C = (a^2S_A)(wS_AS_B)$, or $w = S_C$. Going back, $u = \frac{cS_C - abc}{a}$.

Plugging in the coordinates of the reflection into the circle, we desire to prove $(a^2 - bc - c^2)(bc + c^2) + b^2(b +c)\frac{c(b + c)}{a} + c^2 (b + c)(\frac{a^2 -bc - c^2}{a}) = (a + b + c)(\frac{cS_C -abc}{a}(b + c) + cS_C \frac{(b + c)}{a})$. Combining terms and dividing by $c\frac{b + c}{a}$, we desire $(a^2 -bc-c^2)a + b^2(b + c) + c(a^2 - bc -c^2) = (a + b + c)(a^2 + b^2 - c^2 - ab)$. The left side can be expanded as $a^3 - abc - ac^2 + b^3 + b^2c + a^2c -bc^2 - c^3$. The right side can be expanded as $a^3 + ab^2 - ac^2 -a^2b + a^2b + b^3 -bc^2 - ab^2 + a^2c +b^2c -c^3 -abc = a^3 -abc - ac^2 + b^3 + b^2c + a^2c -bc^2 - c^3$, so we are done.
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Another way to get AP=AI after you have AQ=AI is to notice A is meant to be the center of (PQI)
So our goal is equivalent to $<QAI=2<QPI$

But this is just by angle chasing as
$<QPI=<QPB=<QDB=<CDI_A$
$=(1/2)  <IDI_A$, which is from the fact $CD$ is the internal angle bisector of $<IDI_A$ (from the projective stuff in the first part of the other solutions)
$=(1/2)  <QAI$ as $QAID$ cyclic
Which is as desired.
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Synthetic:
Claim 1. AP = AI
Redefine P as the point on BI satisfying AP = AI. Let Q, R, J be the orthogonal projection from P to AB, BC, I to AD. (Ic) touches BC at G, (I) touches BC at T.
With a simple angle chase: <PAR = <AIJ. Then, PA = AI, <ARP = <IJA = 90. Thus, triangles APR and IAJ are congruent, so AR = IJ = DT
Now, BQ = BR = BA - AR = BA - DT = BA - BT + BD = BA - (AB + BC - CA)/2 + BD = (AB - BC + CA)/2 + BD = BG + BD = DG.
Let S be the midpoint of PIc. It is well known that triangle QSG is isoceles at S. Thus by symmetry one can point out that SD = SB = IcP/2, thus IcDP = 90.
Then, P lies on (IBD), and we are done.
Claim 2. AQ = AI
Let AI intersect BC at L. Note that BIAIc is cyclic, so by power of a point: ID.IQ = IaB.IaIc = IaI.IaA. Thus quadrilateral QAID is cyclic.
Note that: LI/LIa = AI/AIa, but <ADL = 90 so we can conclude that DA is external bisector of <IDIa, thus DA is internal bisector of <IDIc
Then, A is midpoint of minor arc IQ in (AQDI). Thus AQ = AI and we are done.
From the above claim, we now have that AP = AI = AQ, so AP = AQ, as desired.
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Denote the circumcircle of $BDI_C$ by $w$. Let $X$ be the second intersection point of $AD$ and $w$. Then $BI_CXP$ forms a rectangle.
As $A$ is a given point inside this rectangle, we can determine its angles relative to $X$, $I_C$, $B$; however, we don't know yet the exact values of $\angle APX$ and $\angle APB$.

One way to find these angles is by applying Ceva's trigonometric theorem.

However, we prefer a different approach: $A$ has the isogonal conjugate w.r.t. $BI_CXP$. This follows from the fact that the projections of $A$ onto $BP$, $PX$, $I_CX$, $BI_C$ lie on a circle (since $\angle AXP = \angle ABP$). From this, we get $\angle I_CAB+\angle XAP = 180^{\circ}$ and $\angle XAP = 90^{\circ} + \frac{\angle A}{2}$. Thus, $\angle XPA = \frac{\angle C}{2}$ which shows that $\triangle AIP$ -- isosceles (namely, $AI=AP$).

$AI=AQ$ part can be done in the same way as above solution ($AIDQ$ is cyclic and $DA$ is the bisector of $\angle QDI$).

Combining both, we obtain $AI=AQ=AP$.
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Solved with ohiorizzler1434 in 13 minutes.

We construct $I_b$ as the $B$-excentre of $\triangle ABC$. I claim that $AQ=AI=AP$.

Step 1: $AQ=AI$.
First notice by PoP spamming that $AI_a\cdot II_a=BI_a\cdot I_cI_a=QI_a\cdot DI_a$, thus $AIDQ$ cyclic. But then notice that if $T=\overline{AI}\cap\overline{BC}$, then $(AT;II_a)=-1$, so $(\overline{DA},\overline{DT};\overline{DI},\overline{DI_a})=-1$. But then as $\overline{AD}\perp\overline{DT}$, $\overline{DT}=\overline{BDC}$ is the angle bisector of $\angle IDI_a$, therefore $\overline{AD}$ is the bisector of $\angle QDI$. Since $ADQI$ cyclic this forces $AQ=AI$.

Step 2: $A$ is the circumcentre of $\triangle QPI$
This time, recall that $QPDBI_c$ is cyclic. Therefore:
\begin{align*}
2\measuredangle QPI&=2\measuredangle QPB\\
&=2\measuredangle QDB\\
&=2\measuredangle I_aDT\\
&=\measuredangle I_aDI\\
&=\measuredangle QDI\\
&=\measuredangle QAI
\end{align*}where the second last line follows from $ADQI$ cyclic. Therefore by the inscribed angle theorem $A$ circumcentre of $QPI$. This finishes everything.
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