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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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Interesting inequality
sqing   5
N 2 minutes ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $ a,b >0. $ Prove that
$$  \frac{1}{\frac{a}{a+b}+\frac{a}{2b}} +\frac{1}{\frac{b}{a+b}+\frac{1}{2}} +\frac{a}{2b} \geq \frac{5}{2}  $$
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sum of divisors nt
Soupboy0   0
9 minutes ago
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Let $\epsilon(n)$ denote the sum of the sum of the factors of all positive $\mathbb Z \le n$, for example, $\epsilon(5) $ is the sum of the factors of $5$ added to the sum of the factors of $4$ and so on until the sum of the factors of $1$, which would be $(1+5)+(1+2+4)+(1+3)+(1+2)+(1) = 21$. Let $M(n)$ denote $\sum_{i=1}^{n} n \pmod{i}$. Show that $\epsilon(n) + M(n) = n^2$ or find a counterexample
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euler-totient function
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Proof that there are infinitely many positive integers $n$ such that
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N 12 minutes ago by fruitmonster97
1. For integers $x$, $y$, and $z$ such that $\frac{\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{y}} = z$, find $\frac{\sqrt{z}}{\sqrt{x}}$ in terms of $x$, $y$, and $z$.

2. For integers $x$, $y$, and $z$ such that $x = y - 1$ and $z = y + 1$, prove that $y^3 = xyz + y$.
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Why was this poll blocked
jkim0656   11
N 13 minutes ago by skronkmonster
Hey AoPS ppl!
I made a poll about Pi vs Tau over here:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3h3527460
But after a few days it got blocked but i don't get why?
how is this harmful or different from other polls?
It really wasn't that harmful or popular i got to say tho... :noo:
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Prime for square numbers
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Source: City&rsquo;s Specialized Math Examination
Given that $a,b$ are natural numbers satisfy that: $\frac{a^3}{a+b}$ and $\frac{b^3}{a+b}$ are prime numbers. Prove that $$a^2+3ab+3a+b+1$$is a perfect squared number
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How important is math "intuition"
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N 14 minutes ago by skronkmonster
When I see problems now, they usually fall under 3 categories: easy, annoying, and cannot solve. Over time, more problems become easy, but I don't think I'm learning anything "new" so is higher level math like AMC 10 more about practice, so you know what to do when you see a problem? Of course, there's formulas for some problems but when reading a lot of solutions I didn't see many weird formulas being used and it was just the way to solve the problem was "odd".
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Soupboy0   5
N 17 minutes ago by Bummer12345
What common fraction is equivalent to the expression shown?

$\frac{\frac{1}{2021 \cdot 2022} + \frac{2}{2019  \cdot 2021} + \frac{3}{2017 \cdot 2020} + ... + \frac{1010}{3 \cdot 1013} + \frac{1011}{1 \cdot 1012}}{\frac{2022}{1011}+\frac{2022}{1010}+\frac{2022}{1009}+...+\frac{2022}{2}+\frac{2022}{1}}$?

can someone please help me
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N 22 minutes ago by mdk2013
ESPN noon EST - the Countdown round of Nationals.

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N 24 minutes ago by Soupboy0
Hello commuinty!

I am wondering what your strategies are for mathcounts. Please note I do not mean tips. These can be for all rounds, but please specify. BTW, this is for state, but it can apply to any competition.

Ex:
Team - sit in a specific order
Target - do the easiest first
Sprint - go as fast as possible

I just made up the examples, and you will probably have better strategies, so if you want to help out, please do
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N an hour ago by kamuii
Find $x$: $\sqrt{9}x=18$
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I have state mathcounts tomorrow. What should I do to get prepared btw, and what are some tips for doing sprint and cdr?
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squares in dots - MATHCOUNTS challenge problem
rrusczyk   6
N 4 hours ago by DhruvJha
. . . . .
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(That should be a 4x5 grid of dots.) Assuming each point is exactly one unit from its nearest neighbors, how many squares can be formed by connecting groups of four points?
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4 hours ago
a problem
Bummer12345   7
N Today at 2:45 AM by mathelvin
Alice and Bob play a game where Alice starts with $3$ MathJuice bottles and Bob starts with $2$ MathJuice bottles. An unfair coin is then flipped, with probability $\frac{2}{3}$ of landing heads. If the coin lands heads, Alice gives Bob a bottle; otherwise, Bob gives Alice a bottle. This process repeats until someone runs out of bottles.

(a): What is the probability that Bob will lose all of his bottles before Alice does?
(b): What is the expected number of times the coin has been flipped by the time the game ends?

Source: Own
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Oi! These lines concur
Rg230403   18
N Yesterday at 6:23 PM by HoRI_DA_GRe8
Source: LMAO 2021 P5, LMAOSL G3(simplified)
Let $I, O$ and $\Gamma$ respectively be the incentre, circumcentre and circumcircle of triangle $ABC$. Points $A_1, A_2$ are chosen on $\Gamma$, such that $AA_1 = AI = AA_2$, and point $A'$ is the foot of the altitude from $I$ to $A_1A_2$. If $B', C'$ are similarly defined, prove that lines $AA', BB'$ and $CC'$ concurr on $OI$.
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Proposed by Mahavir Gandhi
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HoRI_DA_GRe8
Yesterday at 6:23 PM
Oi! These lines concur
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Source: LMAO 2021 P5, LMAOSL G3(simplified)
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Let $I, O$ and $\Gamma$ respectively be the incentre, circumcentre and circumcircle of triangle $ABC$. Points $A_1, A_2$ are chosen on $\Gamma$, such that $AA_1 = AI = AA_2$, and point $A'$ is the foot of the altitude from $I$ to $A_1A_2$. If $B', C'$ are similarly defined, prove that lines $AA', BB'$ and $CC'$ concurr on $OI$.
Original Version from SL
Proposed by Mahavir Gandhi
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Note that $A'B'C'$ is the incircle of $\triangle ABC$ because of tangents from the midpoint of arc $BC$ not containing $A$ and poncelet.
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Very nice configurations

\input{fig1.tex}

%% write the problem proof here:

Let w denote the incircle of $\triangle{ABC},D,E,F$ are the intouch points. Let $P_D$ be the foot of perpendicular from D onto EF. $P_E,P_F$ are defined analogously.
{\textbf{Claim 1}}: YZ is tangent to $w$.

\begin{proof}
Let $M_D = DP_D \cap w$ and define $M_E,M_F$ analogously. Let the tangent to $w$ at $M_D$ meet AB, AC at $Z_1$ and $Y_1$ respectively. Now by Newton's Theorem on quadrilateral $BCY_1Z_1$, we have $BY_1 \cap CZ_1$ = $DM_D \cap EF = P_D$

$\Rightarrow P_D \in\ BY_1$ and $P_D \in CZ_1$
$\because Y = Y_1$ and $Z$ = $Z_1$.
This proves the claim.
\end{proof}

{\textbf{Claim 2}}:
Let M be any point on $\circledcirc{ABC}$. Let the tangents from X to
$w$ intersect $w $ at $Y_1$ , $Y_2$ and $BC$ extended at $X_1$ , $X_2$ and let the point of tangency between the A-Mixtilinear incircle and $\circledcirc{ABC}$ be $U$. Then $\circledcirc{MX_1X_2}$ passes through U.

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\begin{proof}
Let $N$ = $AM\cap BC$
By Dual of Desargues Involution Theorem on complete quadrilateral $ABDC$ athrough $M$, giving the involutive pairing
($MA,MD); (MB, MC); (MY_1,MY_2$). Now projecting this onto line $BC$,
we get the pairs :
($MN,MD); (MB,MC); (MX_1,MX_2$). Now we know that every involution is an inversion about some center. Let this center be $K$.
$KB\times KC = KD\times KN = KX_1\times KX_2$. So
$\circledcirc{AMBC}$ , $\circledcirc{MDN} , \circledcirc{MX_1X_2}$ are
co- axial circles. So it suffices to prove $U \in\circledcirc{MDN}$.
Now let $DU \cap \circledcirc{ABC}$=$A_1$. By properties of mixtilinear incircles, $AA_1 \Vert BC$. $\because \angle ANB$ = $\angle A_1AM$ = $\angle DUM$. So $UDNM$ is cyclic as required.
\end{proof}

{\textbf{Claim 3}}:
Let $XY \cap\circledcirc{ABC}$ = $J$. Then the tangents from $X$ and $J$ to $w$ intersect at $\circledcirc{ABC}$.

\begin{proof}
Let the tangents from $X$ and $J$ to $w$ meet $BC$ at
$H$, $L$ and let $T$ = $YZ \cap BC$. Now by claim 1, $TX$ and $TH$ are tangent to $w$. So by claim 2, $\circledcirc{TXH}$ and $\circledcirc{TJL}$
pass through $U$.
$\Longrightarrow$ by Miquel's Theorem, $U$ is the miquel point of quadrilateral $XHLJ$.
$\because$ $XH \cap JL$ lies on $\circledcirc{XUJ}$ = $\circledcirc{ABC}$.
\end{proof}

{\textbf{Claim4}}: $M_D=A',M_E=B',M_F=C'$.

\begin{proof}:
We shall prove $M_d=A'$. The others can be proved analogously.
By Claim 3, we know that the tangents from $X$ and $J$ to $w$ intersect at $\circledcirc{ABC}$ at a point say K. Now w is the inscribed circle in $\triangle{XJK}$. So I is the incenter of $\triangle{XJK}$. Now we know $BCYZ$ is cyclic. So YZ is antiparallel to BC wrt $\angle{BAC}$. Now since, O is the circumcenter of $\triangle{ABC}, AO \perp XJ$. So $AX=AJ$.
Thus A is the midpoint of XJ in $\circledcirc{XJK}$. Now since I is the incenter of $\triangle{XJK}$, by incircle-excircle lemma, we have that $AX=AJ=AI$.
Thus $X=D$ and $J=E$. So $M_D$ is the foot of perpendicular from I onto DE which is exactly the definition of $A'$. This proves the claim.
\end{proof}

{\textbf{Claim 5}}: $\triangle{M_DM_EM_F}$ is similar to $\triangle{ABC}$

\begin{proof}:
Note that $\angle{M_DDF}=\angle{M_EDF}=\angle{M_EEF}=\frac{C}{2} \Longrightarrow \angle{M_DM_FM_E}=\angle{M_DDM_E}=C$.
Similarly it can be shown that $\angle{M_EM_DM_F}=A,\angle{M_DM_EM_F}=B$. This proves the claim.
\end{proof}

Back to the main problem, combining Claim 4 and Claim 5, we see that $\triangle{A'B'C'}$ is similar to $\triangle{ABC}$.
Thus there exists a centre of homothety T, swapping these two triangles.
Now since I is the circumcenter of $\triangle{A'B'C'}$ and O is the circumcenter of $\triangle{ABC}$, by properties of homothety, we have that $T \in IO$. We also notice that $AA',BB',CC'$ concur at T.
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Hopefully correct.

Solution. Let $\odot(I)$ denote the incircle, $\odot(AI)$ the circle centered at $A$ with radius $AI$, and $(ABC)$ the circumcircle; $D, E, F$ the respective intouch points opposite to $A, B, C$ respectively, and $M_A$ the midpoint of arc $BC$ opposite to $A$.

Claim. $AI$ is the external bisector of $\angle A'ID$.

Proof. \[\measuredangle DIM_A = \measuredangle AM_AO = \measuredangle OAM_A = \measuredangle AIA'.\]As both $ID, OM_A$ are perpendicular to $BC$, and $IA', OA$ are perpendicular to $A_1A_2$ (the radical axis). $\quad\square$

Claim. $A' \in \odot(I)$.

Proof. Let the tangent from $M_A$ to $\odot(I)$ intersect $(ABC)$ at $A_1'$ and $A_2'$. So, by Poncelet's Porism $A_1'A_2'$ is tangent to $\odot(I)$. Now, by Fact 5 we get $AA_1' = AI = AA_2'$, so $A_1' \equiv A_1$ and $A_2' \equiv A_2$ (as $\odot(AI)$ and $(ABC)$ already intersect at $A_1, A_2$). So, $A_1A_2$ is tangent to $\odot(I)$, and that at $A'$ (using the right angle there). $\quad\square$

So, $ID=IA'$, and thus, the internal bisector of $\angle A'ID$ is perpendicular to $A'D$. This along with the first claim yields $DA' \parallel AI$. Hence, $DA' \perp EF$ (as $AI \perp EF$). So, $A'$ is the intersection of the perpendicular from $D$ to $EF$ with $\odot(I).$

Suppose $AA'$ meets $(ABC)$ at $T_A$.

Claim. $T_A$ is the $A$-mixtilinear intouch point.

Further let $\omega_A$ denote the $A$-mixtilinear incircle, and $E_1, F_1$ be the intouch points of $\omega_A$ on $AC, AB$ respectively.

Proof. Note that $AE \cdot AE_1=AF \cdot AF_1=AI^2$, so $\odot(I)$ and $\omega_A$ are inverses w.r.t $\odot(AI)$.

Let $E_1F_1$ intersect $BC$ at $Z$, as $ZI \perp AI$, so $ZI$ is tangent to both $\odot(AI)$ and $\odot (BIC)$, yielding $Z$ to lie on the radical axis of $(ABC)$ and $\odot(AI)$, and thus, $A'Z$ is the radical axis of $(ABC)$ and $\odot(AI)$ (since $A' \in A_1A_2$). In other words, $A'Z$ and $(ABC)$ are inverses w.r.t $\odot(AI)$.

On inverting w.r.t $\odot(AI)$, $A'$ goes to $T_A$. But, as $A' \in \odot(I)$, so $T_A \in \omega_A$ and we get the desired.$\quad\square$

Likewise define $T_B, T_C$, and get them as the $B, C$-mixtilinear intouch points; and further let $\omega_B$ and $\omega_C$ to be the respective mixtilinear incircles.

By Monge's theorem applied to $\omega_A, (ABC), \odot(I)$, we get the exsimilicenter of $(ABC)$ and $\odot(I)$ to lie on $AT_A$. Analogous holds for the lines $BT_B$ and $CT_C$. Whence, $OI, AT_A, BT_B, CT_C$ concur at $K$, the isogonal point of the Nagel point of $\triangle ABC$ (appealing to the well known fact that respective mixtilinear cevian acts as the isogonal of the Nagel line generating from the respective vertex; in other words $AT_A$ and $AQ_A$ are isogonals, where $Q_A$ is the $A$-extouch point on $BC$). Since $A' \in AT_A$, etc, we're done. $\quad \blacksquare$
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i3435
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If I'm not mistaken SORY P6 was very similar.

Invert around $(A,AI)$. This takes $\overline{A_1A_2}$ to $(ABC)$ and takes the incircle to the $A$-mixtilinear incircle. Thus the incircle is tangent to $\overline{A_1A_2}$. Since $\overline{A_1A_2}\perp\overline{AO}$, $\overline{IA'}||\overline{AO}$. Thus the positive homothety taking the circumcircle to the incircle takes $A$ to $A'$, so $\overline{AA'}$ goes through the exsimillicenter of the incircle and circumcircle.
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Yes, that works. Can you please share what SORY P6 was? I have not seen that problem.
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The official solution
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For @above
Rg230403 wrote:
Yes, that works. Can you please share what SORY P6 was? I have not seen that problem.
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Oh I see, I think configurations of this sort have been explored. We did not know how much of it has appeared before, but I think it still serves well as an easy problem. The test-solvers and contestants had not seen the results beforehand on the basis of the response we have received.
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Very cool problem! Here is the solution I submitted (cleaned it up a bit :P) .
Let $A_1A_2 \cap B_1B_2=X$, and define $Y,Z$ similarly. The key claim of the problem is that $I$ is incenter of $\triangle XYZ$.

Since $B_1,B_2,A_1,A_2$ are concyclic, we deduce that $X$ lies on the radical axis of $(A)$ and $(B)$ $\Rightarrow AB \perp XI$ and similarly.

Let $A_1A_2 \cap AB=V,B_1B_2 \cap AB=U$. Note that $$\measuredangle BB_1U=\measuredangle BB_1B_2=\measuredangle B_1B_2B=\measuredangle B_1AB \Rightarrow \triangle BUB_1 \sim \triangle BB_1A$$and similarly $\triangle AA_1V \sim \triangle ABA_1$. But $\measuredangle BB_1A=\measuredangle BA_1A$ so we have $\measuredangle XUV=\measuredangle UVX$. Since $\triangle VXU$ is isoceles and $XI \perp \overline{UV}\equiv \overline{AB}$, we deduce $\measuredangle VXI= \measuredangle IXU$. Since similar results hold, we deduce that $I$ is the incenter of $\triangle XYZ$.

Now simply note that $AA_1=AA_2 \Rightarrow A_1A_2 \perp AO$, and similarly. Thus, we have $\triangle A'IB'$ and $\triangle AOB$ are isoceles with two sides parallel, so $AA',BB',OI$, and similarly $CC'$ as well, concur at the center of homothety of the two circles and we are done.
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Let $M_A$ be the midpoint of arc $\widehat{BC}$ not containing $A$. Let $A_1',A_2'$ be points on $\odot(ABC)$ such that $\overline{M_AA_1'}$ and $\overline{M_AA_2'}$ are tangent to incircle of $\triangle{ABC}$

Claim 1: $\overline{AA_1'} = \overline{AA_2'}$
Proof: Obviously $\overline{M_AI}$ is the angle bisector of $\angle A_1'M_AA_2'$. Hence the result. $\qquad \square$

Claim 2: $\overline{A_1'A_2'}$ is tangent to incircle of $\triangle{ABC}$
Proof: Poncelets porism. $\qquad \square$

Claim 3: $\overline{AI} = \overline{AA_1'} = \overline{AA_2'}$. Thus $\{A_1',A_2'\} = \{A_1,A_2\}$.
Proof: From previous results we get that $I$ is the incenter of $\triangle{M_AA_1'A_2'}$ and the result follows from fact 5 $\qquad \square$

Now clearly $A'$ is the tangency point of $\overline{A_1A_2}$ with incircle of $\triangle{ABC}$ and let $D,E,F$ be the tangency points of incircle with $\overline{BC},\overline{CA},\overline{AB}$ respectively.

Claim 4: $\overline{DA'} \perp \overline{EF}$
Proof: Now notice that clearly $\overline{IA'} \parallel \overline{AO}$. Let $T$ be the midpoint of $\widehat{EF}$ not containing $D$ in incircle of $\triangle{ABC}$ and let $D'$ be the $D$ antipode in the incircle. Now we have that $$\angle A'IT = \angle IAO = \angle OM_AA = \angle DIM_A = \angle D'IT$$but this would clearly imply $\overline{DA'},\overline{DD'}$ are isogonal w.r.t $\angle{EDF}$ and hence done $\qquad \square$

Claim 5: $\overline{A'B'} \parallel {AB}$ similiarly for others.
Proof: $\overline{IF} \perp \overline{AB}$ and also $$\angle FA'B'=\angle FEB' = 90^\circ -\angle EFD = \angle A'DF = \angle A'B'F$$so $\overline{IF} \perp \overline{A'B'}$ $\qquad \square$

Now just apply homothety on $\triangle{A'B'C'}$ and $\triangle{ABC}$ to finish $\qquad \blacksquare$
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Here's another way to get that $A_1A_2$ is tangent to the incircle.

Let $A_1A_2$ meet $AB,AC$ at $X,Y$. Let $\angle AA_2A_1 = \angle AA_1A_2 = x$

Then, we can easily get that $\triangle AXY \sim \triangle ACB$.

Since $\angle AA_1Y = \angle YCA_1$, $AA_1$ is tangent to $(A_1YC)$ and so $AA_1^2= AY.AC$.

Since $AI = AA_1$, $AI^2 = AY.AC$ and so $AI$ is tangent to $(IYC)$ and so $\angle AIY = \angle ICY$ and now its easy enough to prove by angel chasing that $I$ is the A-excenter in $\triangle AXY$. So because $AX,AY$ are already tangent to the incircle, it must be the excircle. So, $A_1A_2$ is tangent to the incircle
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why are the solutions above so ridiculously complicated >.<

Note that $AO$ is perpendicular to $A_1A_2$. Thus, it suffices to prove that the ratio between the distance from $I$ to $A_1A_2$, and $AO$, is constant (when replaced with $B$ and $C$ instead). Since $AO$ is just the circumradius of $ABC$ it suffices to prove $I$ is equidistant from $A_1A_2$, $B_1B_2$, and $C_1C_2$.

We in fact claim all three lines are tangent to the incircle of $ABC$, which finishes. Indeed, let $AI \cap (ABC) = A, M$, and let the tangents from $M$ to the incircle of $ABC$ meet the circumcircle of $ABC$ again at $X$ and $Y$. Note by Poncelet's Porism, $XY$ is tangent to the incircle of $ABC$ as well. Now by fact five $AX = AI = AY$, so $\{ X, Y \}$ is some permutation of $\{A_1, A_2 \}$, and so we are done!
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Here is a way to sneakily avoid Poncelet's Porism using (one of many) Euler's Formula.

Let $\triangle DEF$ and $\triangle D'E'F'$ be the intouch triangle and circumcevian triangle of $I$. By the incenter lemma, it follows that $I$ is the incenter of $\triangle D'A_1A_2$, and by Euler's formula, the inradius of $\triangle ABC$ is the same as that of $\triangle A_1A_2D'$, so it follows that they share the same incircle. Now let $\overline{A_1A_2}$ cut $\overline{AB}$ and $\overline{AC}$ at $X$ and $Y$ respectively. Then as $AO\perp A_1A_2$ ,
\[\measuredangle AYX=90^\circ-\measuredangle OAC=\measuredangle CBA\]and thus quadrilateral $XYCB$ is bicentric. It is then well-known that $DA'\perp EF$. (This can be easily proven via angle chasing.) Similarly, we can deduce that $EB'\perp DF$, and $FC'\perp DE$. Since $\triangle DEF$ and $\triangle D'E'F'$ are homothetic, $\triangle ABC$ and $\triangle A'B'C'$ must also be homothetic as well. Therefore, $\overline{AA'}$, $\overline{BB'}$ and $\overline{CC'}$ are concurrent at the homothetic center of two triangles, which lies on $\overline{OI}$.
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L567 wrote:
Here's another way to get that $A_1A_2$ is tangent to the incircle.
Inverting at $A$ with radius $AI$ maps the incircle to the $A-$ mixtilinear incircle (can be easily proved).
Also $A_1A_2$ goes to the circumcircle of $\triangle ABC$.

Simple homothety:$OA || IA'$ , the ratios $\frac{OA}{IA'}=\frac{R}{r}$ are constant and $O$ and $I$ are the circumcenters of $ABC$ and $A'B'C'$ ....
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Funny Problem.
We make use of following 3 well-known claims
Claim 1: $A_1A_2$ is tangent to incircle at $P$ s.t. $DP \perp EF$
Claim 2 IF $T_a$ is the mixti touch point then $A-P-T_a$
Claim 3: $AT_a,BT_b,CT_c,OI$ concurr
Hence we're done
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woah...

Let $M_a$ be the arc midpoint of $BC$ and cyclic variants. By Poncelet's Porism, there exist two unique points $X,Y$ such that $M_aXY$ has both the same circumcircle and incircle as $ABC$. Since $M_aI$ is the bisector of $\angle M_aY$, we can in fact conclude the arc midpoint of $XY$ is $A$, thus the center of $(XYI)$ is $A$, clearly forcing $A_1$, $A_2$ = $X$, $Y$. Thus the foot from $I$ to $A_1A_2$ lies on the incircle.

Let $AA'$ meet $OI$ at $K$. We prove $\frac{KI}{KO}$ is symmetric in $AB$ , $BC$, $AC$. Since $IA'$ is parallel to $AO$, we just want $\frac{IA'}{AO} = \frac rR$, so we are done.
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SORY P6

solution
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I've done tooooooo much config geo in life.

Invert at $A$ with radius $AI$.Note that the incircle and the mixtillinear incircle gets swapped and $(ABC)$ gets swapped to $A_1A_2$. So the incircle is tangent to $A_1A_2$ as well.Also note that $A,A',T_A$ become collinear since $A'$ becomes the tangency point of the incircle with $A_1A_2$ and on inversion it swaps with $T_A$ (the $A-$mixtillinear intouch point).Now it's well known that $AT_A,BT_B,CT_C,OI$ are concurrent and we are done $\blacksquare$

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