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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
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N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

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k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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May 4, 2019
2025 USA IMO
john0512   39
N 8 minutes ago by eg4334
Congratulations to all of you!!!!!!!

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Good luck in Australia!
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Today at 1:40 AM
eg4334
8 minutes ago
Why is the old one deleted?
EeEeRUT   11
N an hour ago by Mathgloggers
Source: EGMO 2025 P1
For a positive integer $N$, let $c_1 < c_2 < \cdots < c_m$ be all positive integers smaller than $N$ that are coprime to $N$. Find all $N \geqslant 3$ such that $$\gcd( N, c_i + c_{i+1}) \neq 1$$for all $1 \leqslant i \leqslant m-1$

Here $\gcd(a, b)$ is the largest positive integer that divides both $a$ and $b$. Integers $a$ and $b$ are coprime if $\gcd(a, b) = 1$.

Proposed by Paulius Aleknavičius, Lithuania
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EeEeRUT
Apr 16, 2025
Mathgloggers
an hour ago
Congruence related perimeter
egxa   2
N 2 hours ago by LoloChen
Source: All Russian 2025 9.8 and 10.8
On the sides of triangle \( ABC \), points \( D_1, D_2, E_1, E_2, F_1, F_2 \) are chosen such that when going around the triangle, the points occur in the order \( A, F_1, F_2, B, D_1, D_2, C, E_1, E_2 \). It is given that
\[
AD_1 = AD_2 = BE_1 = BE_2 = CF_1 = CF_2.
\]Prove that the perimeters of the triangles formed by the triplets \( AD_1, BE_1, CF_1 \) and \( AD_2, BE_2, CF_2 \) are equal.
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egxa
Yesterday at 5:08 PM
LoloChen
2 hours ago
number theory
Levieee   7
N 2 hours ago by g0USinsane777
Idk where it went wrong, marks was deducted for this solution
$\textbf{Question}$
Show that for a fixed pair of distinct positive integers \( a \) and \( b \), there cannot exist infinitely many \( n \in \mathbb{Z} \) such that
\[
\sqrt{n + a} + \sqrt{n + b} \in \mathbb{Z}.
\]
$\textbf{Solution}$

Let
\[
x = \sqrt{n + a} + \sqrt{n + b} \in \mathbb{N}.
\]
Then,
\[
x^2 = (\sqrt{n + a} + \sqrt{n + b})^2 = (n + a) + (n + b) + 2\sqrt{(n + a)(n + b)}.
\]So:
\[
x^2 = 2n + a + b + 2\sqrt{(n + a)(n + b)}.
\]
Therefore,
\[
\sqrt{(n + a)(n + b)} \in \mathbb{N}.
\]
Let
\[
(n + a)(n + b) = k^2.
\]Assume \( n + a \neq n + b \). Then we have:
\[
n + a \mid k \quad \text{and} \quad k \mid n + b,
\]or it could also be that \( k \mid n + a \quad \text{and} \quad n + b \mid k \).

Without loss of generality, we take the first case:
\[
(n + a)k_1 = k \quad \text{and} \quad kk_2 = n + b.
\]
Thus,
\[
k_1 k_2 = \frac{n + b}{n + a}.
\]
Since \( k_1 k_2 \in \mathbb{N} \), we have:
\[
k_1 k_2 = 1 + \frac{b - a}{n + a}.
\]
For infinitely many \( n \), \( \frac{b - a}{n + a} \) must be an integer, which is not possible.

Therefore, there cannot be infinitely many such \( n \).
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Levieee
Yesterday at 7:46 PM
g0USinsane777
2 hours ago
inequalities proplem
Cobedangiu   4
N 2 hours ago by Mathzeus1024
$x,y\in R^+$ and $x+y-2\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}=0$. Find min A (and prove):
$A=\sqrt{\dfrac{5}{x+1}}+\dfrac{16}{5x^2y}$
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Cobedangiu
Yesterday at 11:01 AM
Mathzeus1024
2 hours ago
3 var inquality
sqing   0
2 hours ago
Source: Own
Let $ a,b,c $ be reals such that $ a+b+c=0 $ and $ abc\geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} . $ Prove that
$$ a^2+b^2+c^2\geq 3$$Let $ a,b,c $ be reals such that $ a+2b+c=0 $ and $ abc\geq \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} . $ Prove that
$$ a^2+b^2+c^2\geq \frac{3}{ \sqrt[3]{2}}$$$$ a^2+2b^2+c^2\geq 2\sqrt[3]{4} $$
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sqing
2 hours ago
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Combinatorics
TUAN2k8   0
2 hours ago
A sequence of integers $a_1,a_2,...,a_k$ is call $k-balanced$ if it satisfies the following properties:
$i) a_i \neq a_j$ and $a_i+a_j \neq 0$ for all indices $i \neq j$.
$ii) \sum_{i=1}^{k} a_i=0$.
Find the smallest integer $k$ for which: Every $k-balanced$ sequence, there always exist two terms whose diffence is not less than $n$. (where $n$ is given positive integer)
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TUAN2k8
2 hours ago
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pqr/uvw convert
Nguyenhuyen_AG   4
N 2 hours ago by SunnyEvan
Source: https://github.com/nguyenhuyenag/pqr_convert
Hi everyone,
As we know, the pqr/uvw method is a powerful and useful tool for proving inequalities. However, transforming an expression $f(a,b,c)$ into $f(p,q,r)$ or $f(u,v,w)$ can sometimes be quite complex. That's why I’ve written a program to assist with this process.
I hope you’ll find it helpful!

Download: pqr_convert

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Nguyenhuyen_AG
Today at 3:39 AM
SunnyEvan
2 hours ago
A nice lemma about incircle and his internal tangent
manlio   0
2 hours ago
Have you a nice proof for this lemma?
Thnak you very much
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manlio
2 hours ago
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Nice problem about a trapezoid
manlio   0
2 hours ago
Have you a nice solution for this problem?
Thank you very much
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manlio
2 hours ago
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IHC 10 Q25: Eight countries participated in a football tournament
xytan0585   0
2 hours ago
Source: International Hope Cup Mathematics Invitational Regional Competition IHC10
Eight countries sent teams to participate in a football tournament, with the Argentine and Brazilian teams being the strongest, while the remaining six teams are similar strength. The probability of the Argentine and Brazilian teams winning against the other six teams is both $\frac{2}{3}$. The tournament adopts an elimination system, and the winner advances to the next round. What is the probability that the Argentine team will meet the Brazilian team in the entire tournament?

$A$. $\frac{1}{4}$

$B$. $\frac{1}{3}$

$C$. $\frac{23}{63}$

$D$. $\frac{217}{567}$

$E$. $\frac{334}{567}$
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xytan0585
2 hours ago
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PROMYS Europe
Taxicab-1211729   0
3 hours ago
Is anyone attending Promys Europe this summer?
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Taxicab-1211729
3 hours ago
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Discuss the Stanford Math Tournament Here
Aaronjudgeisgoat   278
N 3 hours ago by Cerberusman
I believe discussion is allowed after yesterday at midnight, correct?
If so, I will put tentative answers on this thread.
By the way, does anyone know the answer to Geometry Problem 5? I was wondering if I got that one right
Also, if you put answers, please put it in a hide tag

Answers for the Algebra Subject Test
Estimated Algebra Cutoffs
Answers for the Geometry Subject Test
Estimated Geo Cutoffs
Answers for the Discrete Subject Test
Estimated Cutoffs for Discrete
Answers for the Team Round
Guts Answers
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Aaronjudgeisgoat
Apr 14, 2025
Cerberusman
3 hours ago
Camp Conway/Camp Sierpinski Acceptance
fossasor   1
N 6 hours ago by jb2015007
(trying this again in a different thread now that it's later)

I've been accepted into Camp Conway, which is a part of National Math Camps, a organization of Math Camps that currently includes two: Camp Conway and Camp Sierpinski. Camp Conway is located at Harvey Mudd in California and happens during the first half of summer, while Camp Sierpinski is in North Carolina's research triangle and happens during the second half. Each of them has two two-week long sessions that accept 30 people (it's very focused on social connection), which means 120 people will be accepted to the program in total.

Given how much of the math community is on aops, I think there's a decent chance one of the 120 people might see this thread. So - has anyone here been accepted into Camp Conway or Camp Sierpinski? If so, which session are you going during, and what are you looking forward to?

I'll be attending during the second session of Conway in the first few weeks of July - I'm looking forward to the Topics Classes as a lot of them sound pretty fun.
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fossasor
Today at 3:41 AM
jb2015007
6 hours ago
The Empty Set Exists
Archimedes15   37
N Apr 3, 2025 by lpieleanu
Source: 2021 AIME II P6
For any finite set $S$, let $|S|$ denote the number of elements in $S$. FInd the number of ordered pairs $(A,B)$ such that $A$ and $B$ are (not necessarily distinct) subsets of $\{1,2,3,4,5\}$ that satisfy
$$|A| \cdot |B| = |A \cap B| \cdot |A \cup B|$$
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Archimedes15
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Apr 3, 2025
The Empty Set Exists
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For any finite set $S$, let $|S|$ denote the number of elements in $S$. FInd the number of ordered pairs $(A,B)$ such that $A$ and $B$ are (not necessarily distinct) subsets of $\{1,2,3,4,5\}$ that satisfy
$$|A| \cdot |B| = |A \cap B| \cdot |A \cup B|$$
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I got 454.
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forgot to count the intersection, luckily found my error in the last ~10 minutes

Basically $A \subseteq B$ or $B \subseteq A$ then subtract $A=B$

$3^5 \cdot 2 - 2^5=454$
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I got $455$. Can someone please explain how to get $454$?
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$|A|+|B|-|A \cap B| = |A \cup B|$, so substituting gives

\begin{align*}
|A| \cdot |B| &= |A \cap B|(|A| + |B| - |A \cap B|)\\
|A||B| - |A \cap B||A| - |A \cap B||B| + |A \cap B| &= 0\\
(|A| - |A \cap B|)(|B| - |A \cap B|) &= 0.\\
\end{align*}
Therefore, we must have $|A| = |A \cap B|$ or $|B| = |A \cap B|$, so this implies $A \subseteq B$ or $B \subseteq A$.

Then do some more PIE.
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Casework on the value of $|A|, $ and realize that either $ B \subseteq A$ or $A \subseteq B$ :

$\binom{5}{0}2^5 + \binom{5}{1}2^4 + \binom{5}{2}2^3 + \binom{5}{3}2^2 + \binom{5}{4}2 + \binom{5}{5} - 2^5 = 211$ possibilities of $B$ where $|B| > |A|. $ Times that by $2$ then add in the possibilities where $|A| = |B|$ to get $422 + 2^5 = \boxed{454}. $
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By PIE, $|A| + |B| = |A\cap B| + |A\cup B|$, so $\{|A|, |B|\} = \{|A\cap B|, |A\cup B|\}$ (use Vieta). This implies either $A\subseteq B$ or $B\subseteq A$.

In the former case, each element of $\{1,2,3,4,5\}$ has three possibilities: in both $A$ and $B$, in $A$ but not $B$, or in neither $A$ nor $B$. This gives $3^5$ possibilities in that case. Analogously, $3^5$ possibilities in the second case.

Subtracting off the $2^5 = 32$ cases where $A = B$ gives a final answer of $2\cdot 3^5 - 2^5 = 454$.
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A lot of people I talked to seem to have missed the empty set.

Interestingly enough this appears to be one of the first AIME problems ever where non-empty was not specified.
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Another reading exercise on AIME.
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Darn so in the contest I thought this would be killed by this.
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I was kinda worried abt empty vs nonempty lol, I just assumed empty was ok thankfully
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Draw a Venn Diagram, and call $a$ the number of elements in $A$ but not $B$, $b$ the number of elements in $B$ but not $A$, and $c$ the number of elements $A$ and $B$. Then we get $(a+c)(b+c) = (a+c+b)c$ so $ab=0$.

If $a=0$, then each of the remaining numbers must be in $b$ or $c$ or neither, meaning $3^5$ ways.
If $b=0$, it is also $3^5$ ways.
If $a=b=0$, each number can either be in $c$ or not in $c$, so $2^5$.

So the answer is $2*3^5-2^5 = 486 - 32 = 454$.
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One way you can think about this is that $|A| + |B| = |A \cup B| + |A \cap B|$ all the time, and if $x_1x_2 = y_1y_2$ and $x_1 + x_2 = y_1 + y_2$ then $\{x_1,x_2\} = \{y_1,y_2\}$ so either $|A|$ or $|B|$ is equal to $|A \cap B|$ and then proceed as others said.
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Use PIE, factor with SFFT, and find that $A \subseteq B$ or the opposite. Then count.
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This was my problem. I'm surprised that people "missed" the empty set since (AFAIK) you need to do extra work to exclude it, assuming you have the nice solution.

In my head, since $|A|+|B| = |A\cap B| + |A \cup B|$, if the products are equal as well, then by Vieta formula it follows that $|A|$ and $|B|$ are roots of same polynomial as $|A \cap B|$ and $|A \cup B|$, hence the main claim.
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math31415926535
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UnicornPanda wrote:
I got $455$. Can someone please explain how to get $454$?

probably you forgot the empty set
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Neat
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eduD_looC
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math31415926535 wrote:
UnicornPanda wrote:
I got $455$. Can someone please explain how to get $454$?

probably you forgot the empty set

No. If @UnicornPanda forgot the empty set, the answer gotten would've been $453$.
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ilovepizza2020
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eduD_looC wrote:
math31415926535 wrote:
UnicornPanda wrote:
I got $455$. Can someone please explain how to get $454$?

probably you forgot the empty set

No. If @UnicornPanda forgot the empty set, the answer gotten would've been $453$.

They forgot to include the empty set
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I'm pretty late (just mocked this now) but the factorization instantly reminded me of JMC 10 #18 (https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c1465090h2420752p19921359) for some reason.

Chden saved my life again lol.
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doesnt everyone know the empty set exists?
what does the title mean
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ilovepizza2020
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PlaneGod wrote:
doesnt everyone know the empty set exists?
what does the title mean

Duuude most problems say to disregard the empty set but this one needs you to not disregard it.
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PlaneGod wrote:
doesnt everyone know the empty set exists?
what does the title mean

I don't know if you got the joke or not but basically the title says that since a lot of people missed the empty set.
It's kinda like saying "Complex solutions exist" if someone says that the sum of the real solutions of $x^2+4x+333=0$ is -4.
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I'm getting $391$
solution
Can someone please explain why $391$ is incorrect?
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sugar_rush wrote:
I'm getting $391$
solution
Can someone please explain why $391$ is incorrect?

$A$ and $B$ dont have to be nonempty
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The worst solution.

Case 1: $A$ is empty.
Then this is always true, giving a total of $32$.

Case 2: $A$ has one element.
WLOG $A=\{1\}$.

Then if $B$ is not empty, then $1\in B$. Any such $B$ works. So there are $16$ ways.

If $b$ is empty, then there is $1$ way.

Total for this case is $17\cdot 5=85$.

Case 3: $A$ has $2$ elements.
WLOG $A=\{1,2\}$.

If $B$ contains both $1$ and $2$, then all such $B$ work, giving $8$.

If $B$ doesn't contain $1$ or $2$, then $B$ is empty, giving $1$.

if $B$ contains $1$ but not $2$, then $2|B|=|B|+1\implies |B|=1$. Thus, there is $1$ way.

If $B$ contains $2$ but not $1$, then there is $1$ way.

Total is $10\cdot 11=110$.

Case 4: $A$ has $3$ elements.
Then WLOG $A=\{1,2,3\}$.

If $|A\cup B|=0$, then $B$ is empty. $1$ way.

If $|A\cup B|=1$, then $3|B|=|B|+2\implies |B|=1$. $3$ ways.

If $|A\cup B|=2$, then $3|B|=2(|B|+1)\implies |B|=2$. $3$ ways.

If $|A\cup B|=3$, then there are $4$ total ways, all work.

Thus, total for this case is $11\cdot 10=110$.

Case 5: $|A|=4$.
WLOG $A=\{1,2,3,4\}$.

If $|A\cup B|=0$, then $B$ is empty. $1$ way.

If $|A\cup B|=1$, then $|B|=1$. $4$ ways.

If $|A\cup B|=2$, then $|B|=2$. $6$ ways.

If $|A\cup B|=3$, then $|B|=3$. $4$ ways.

If $|A\cup B|=4$, then there are $2$ ways.

So total for this case is $5\cdot 17=85$.

Case 6: $|A|=5$.
Then $A=\{1,2,3,4,5\}$.

Any subset for $B$ works, giving a total of $32$.


Answer is $2(32+85+110)=\boxed{454}$.
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megarnie
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Looks like I mixed up $\cup$ with $\cap$ in my previous solution.

We can check that either $A\subseteq B$ or $B\subseteq A$ and everything of this form works.

Case 1: $A\subseteq B$.
Then there are $2^5+5\cdot 2^4+10\cdot 2^3+10\cdot 2^2+5\cdot 2^1+1=(2+1)^5=243$ ways.

Case 2: $B\subseteq A$.
Then there are also $243$ ways.

Case 3: $A=B$.
Then there are $32$ ways.

So the answer is $243+243-32=\boxed{454}$.
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We use PIE: $|A\cup B| = |A| + |B| - |A\cap B|$. Hence
\[ |A|\cdot |B| = |A\cap B|\cdot (|A| + |B| - |A\cap B|).\]
Let $|A| = a$, $|B| = b$, and $|A\cap B| = i$. Then
\[ ab = ai +bi - i^2\]\[ a(b-i) = bi - i^2 = i(b-i).\]
Hence $i = b$ or $i = a$. The only way for this to happen is either if $A\subseteq B$ or $B\subseteq A$. WLOG, let $A\subseteq B$ (we will deal with some complications later). If $B$ has $j$ elements, there are $\binom{5}{j}$ ways to choose $B$. Then there are $2^j$ ways to choose $A$. The total number of ways is
\[ \sum_{j = 0}^{5}2^j\binom{5}{j} = 1 + 10 + 40 + 80 + 80 + 32 = 243.\]
Now, there should $2\cdot 243 = 486$ ways, but we overcounted the case $A = B$ once, which has $2^5 = 32$ ways of happening. The answer is $486 - 32 = \boxed{454}$.
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Archimedes15 wrote:
For any finite set $S$, let $|S|$ denote the number of elements in $S$. FInd the number of ordered pairs $(A,B)$ such that $A$ and $B$ are (not necessarily distinct) subsets of $\{1,2,3,4,5\}$ that satisfy
$$|A| \cdot |B| = |A \cap B| \cdot |A \cup B|$$

typo in the first word of the second sentence help I'm catching typoes everywhere I go more and more I think there's something wrong with me
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I bashed this problem. Got the correct answer 5 minutes before the end of the test (I did other problems first and came back to this one)
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Video Solution + review of set theory
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Realize that $A \subseteq B.$ Do a bit of casework to get $211.$ Multiply by $2$ because $(A, B) \neq (B, A).$ We've counted $A=B$ twice here because it doesn't replicate; subtract by the number of times once ($2^5$ for correction), and we're done.
Took me a while to catch everything but the first two sentences, but solve.
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The main insight is that either $A$ or $B$ is a subset of the other. How I found this was letting $|A \cup B| = |A| + |B| - |A \cap B|$. Then denoting $|A| = a$, $|B| = b$ and $|A \cap B| = c$ we have,
\begin{align*}
ab &= c(a+b-c)\\
ab &= ac + bc - c^2\\
a(b-c) + c(c - b)&= 0\\
(a-c)(b-c) &= 0
\end{align*}and hence either $a = c$, $b = c$ or $a = b = c$. Now its just a simple counting problem.

We have two cases.

First if $a = b$ then we must have $A = B$. This can be done in $\sum \binom{5}{i} = 32$ ways.

Then assume that they are not equal and WLOG $B$ is a subset of $A$. Then do casework on the size of $a$.

If $a = 0$ then $b = 0$, we've already counted this.

If $a = 1$ we have $1$ choice for $b$ adding $5$ to our count.

If $a = 2$ we have $2^2 - 1 = 3$ choices for $b$ giving $\binom{5}{2} \cdot 3 = 30$ to our count.

If $a = 3$ we have $2^3 - 1 = 7$ choices for $b$ giving $\binom{5}{3} \cdot 7 = 70$ to our count.

If $a = 4$ we have $2^4 - 1 = 15$ choices for $b$ giving $\binom{5}{4} \cdot 15= 75$ to our count.

Finally if $a = 5$ we have $2^5 - 1 = 31$ choices for $b$ giving $31$ to our count.

Summing these cases up and multiplying by $2$ we have $422$ in this case.

Then adding our final count is $422 + 32 = \boxed{454}$.
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Interesting that no one else has posted this, but I found the main claim in a slightly different way: after recalling $|A| + |B| = |{A \cup B}| + |{A \cap B}|$, because \[ |{A \cup B}| \geq |A|, |B| \geq |{A \cap B}| \]for inequality reasons we are forced to have $\{|A|, |B|\} = \{|{A \cup B}|, |{A \cap B}|\}$ meaning either $A \subseteq B$ or $B \subseteq A$.
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We will solve for the general case for subsets of $\{1, 2, \dots, n \}$ where $n$ is a positive integer.

Let $x = |A \cap B|, a = |A| - x, b = |B| - x$. The equation provided in the problem is equivalent to
$$(a + x)(b + x) = x(a + b + x) \implies ab = 0.$$Suppose $a = 0$. This implies that $(A \cap B) \subseteq A$. Observe that for every element in $\{1, 2, \dots, n \}$, it is either in $A$, the set $A$ when $(A \cap B)$ is removed, or in neither. Hence, we obtain $3^n$ possibilities. Similarly, $b = 0$ gives $3^n$. Now we subtract off the duplicates. If $a = b = 0$, $A = B$, so there are $2^n$ ways to choose the common subset. We obtain our final answer of $\boxed{2 \cdot 3^n - 2^n}$. (It can easily be checked that $n = 5$ yields $454$, the answer to the original problem.)
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$|A \cup B|=|A|+|B|-|A\cap B|$.
Using this and by manipulating the expression, we get that $|A|=|A \cap B|$ or$|B|=|A\cap B|$
For $|A|=|A \cap B|$, we get that $A \subseteq B$. So, number of pairs $=3^5$.
Similarly for the other part, there are $3^5$ pairs.
There are $2^5$ such pairs where $A=B$.
Hence, total number of ordered pairs $=2 \cdot 3^5 -2^5 = \boxed{454}$.
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Solution
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