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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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May 16, 2018
Find the value
sqing   5
N 2 minutes ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $ a,b $ be real numbers such that $ (a^2 + b^2) (a + 1) (b + 1) =  a ^ 3 + b ^ 3 =2 $. Find the value of $ a b .$

Let $ a,b $ be real numbers such that $ (a^2 + b^2) (a + 1) (b + 1) = 2 $ and $ a ^ 3 + b ^ 3 = 1 $. Find the value of $ a + b .$
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sqing
Yesterday at 2:29 PM
sqing
2 minutes ago
2-var inequality
sqing   0
33 minutes ago
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Let $ a,b\geq  0 ,a+b+ab=2.$ Prove that
$$ (a^2+\frac{27}{5}ab+b^2)(a+1)(b+1) \leq 12 $$$$ (a^2+\frac{11}{2}ab+b^2)(a+1)(b+1) \leq 45(2-\sqrt 3) $$
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circumcenter of ARS lies on AD
Melid   1
N 39 minutes ago by Acrylic3491
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In triangle $ABC$, let $D$ be a point on arc $BC$ of circle $ABC$ which doesn't contain $A$. $AD$ and $BC$ intersect at $E$. Let $P$ and $Q$ be the reflection of $E$ about to $AB$ and $AC$, respectively. $PD$ intersects $AB$ at $R$, and $QD$ intersects $AC$ at $S$. Prove that circumcenter of triangle $ARS$ lies on $AD$.
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Melid
5 hours ago
Acrylic3491
39 minutes ago
2-var inequality
sqing   10
N an hour ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $ a,b> 0 ,a^3+ab+b^3=3.$ Prove that
$$ (a+b)(a+1)(b+1) \leq 8$$$$ (a^2+b^2)(a+1)(b+1) \leq 8$$Let $ a,b> 0 ,a^3+ab(a+b)+b^3=3.$ Prove that
$$ (a+b)(a+1)(b+1) \leq \frac{3}{2}+\sqrt[3]{6}+\sqrt[3]{36}$$
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sqing
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sqing
an hour ago
Overly wordy problems
ZMB038   16
N Today at 6:47 AM by Yiyj
Hey everyone, here we can post questions with way to many extraneous words, that are actually easy.
Try to solve the one above yours.
I'll start:
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ZMB038
May 28, 2025
Yiyj
Today at 6:47 AM
No one here has solved the revised version yet
PikaVee   7
N Today at 6:19 AM by PikaVee
(Thanks Random Stranger for the idea and I will be making it so it is extremely specific to your solution.)
We are playing Pokemon Scarlet and Violet and you are fighting a friend. You and your friend don't have any items at all and the pokemon does not have any held items. Your friend challenges you to a battle because he just said nah I'd win.

You two start the battle using only one Pokemon each which neither of you knows the type of the other. Luckily he had used a level 28 Squirtle and you had used a level 25 Pikachu. Surprisingly both of the Pokemon each have one HP. Your Pikachu has a move set of one single move of Thunder with 10/10 PP and has 1 HP because you forgot to go to the Pokemon center. Your Pikachu also has a bad IV stat in speed with 1/15 and the 252 EV speed stat of the Squirtle combined with a perfect IV stat in speed makes it so it guarantees to always out speed your move. To account for that he made his Squirtle have 1 HP on purpose for absolutely no reason.

After he saw what kind of moves you have and since that person was so cocky and confident that they decided to gamble all their moves with each having an equal chance of being used. Their Squirtle has a move set of Protect 10 PP which has 100% chance of being used and has has the success probability multiplied by 1/3 every time it is being used (Meaning the second time it is being used has a 33% chance of succeeding and a third time it will be 11%. This also ignores the rules of how the move is regularly used by making the 4th move 1/27 instead of it being a guaranteed fail and so on.), Tackle which has a 100% chance to hit having 10/35 PP , Water Gun which has a 100% chance of hitting with 10/25 and Rain Dance with 5/5 PP and 100% chance of being used. If the amount of PP reaches 0 it will be unavailable for the rest of the fight meaning that the probability for each other move to be used goes from 25% all the way to 33%.

For everyone who wants to solve the easy part. If the probability that Squirtle will survive turn 1 when simplified is a/b then what is a+b?

Alright so for Squirtle to survive turn one then we try to find out how Squirte will faint at turn one. First of all Pikachu needs to hit Thunder bolt at a 70% chance then get a 25% chance that the Squirtle will use Rain Dance so that the Squirtle will not faint the Pikachu because it didn't attack. Another possible option is for it to choose Water Gun and miss so it would be a 70% * 25% * 5% chance for Pikachu to faint Squirtle. 70% = \frac{7}{10}, 25% = \frac{1}{4}, and 5% = \frac{1}{20} So the complement of what we are trying to find is $\frac{7}{10}*\frac{1}{4}+\frac{7}{10}*\frac{1}{4}*\frac{1}{20}=\frac{7}{10*4}+\frac{7}{10*4*20}=\frac{7}{40}+\frac{7}{800}=\frac{140}{800}+\frac{7}{800}=\frac{147}{800}$. The complement of this would be $1-\frac{147}{800}$ or $\frac{653}{800}$. The final thing we can do is to make sure it is simplified and add the numerator and the denominator which is $653$ and $800$ so $653+800=1453$ This should be final answer. (Mathdash rating 800)

For the very hard question, What is the probability that the Squirtle will win this fight? (This is going to be a very long arithmetic series with a lot of cases. The max amount of turns this fight can have is 11 turns.)
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PikaVee
May 28, 2025
PikaVee
Today at 6:19 AM
Problem of the day
sultanine   20
N Today at 3:16 AM by EthanNg6
[center]Every day I will post 3 new problems
one easy, one medium, and one hard.
Please hide your answers so others won't be affected
:D :) :D :) :D
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sultanine
May 23, 2025
EthanNg6
Today at 3:16 AM
A Variety of Math Problems to solve
FJH07   48
N Today at 3:13 AM by EthanNg6
Hi, so people can post different math problems that they think are hard, and I will post some (I think middle school math level) problems so that the community can help solve them. :)
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FJH07
May 22, 2025
EthanNg6
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Worst Sillies of All Time
pingpongmerrily   61
N Today at 3:01 AM by shaayonsamanta
Share the worst sillies you have ever made!

Mine was probably on the 2024 MathCounts State Target Round Problem 8, where I wrote my answer as a fraction instead of a percent, which cost me a trip to Nationals that year.
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pingpongmerrily
May 30, 2025
shaayonsamanta
Today at 3:01 AM
AMC 8 info
VivaanKam   5
N Today at 3:00 AM by shaayonsamanta
Hi I will be attending the AMC 8 contest in 2026. How does it work? time? number of questions? points? scoring?
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VivaanKam
Today at 1:11 AM
shaayonsamanta
Today at 3:00 AM
MathDash help
Spacepandamath13   11
N Today at 1:27 AM by Yiyj
AkshajK ORZ by the way invited me to do MathDash a few months ago and I did try it one day but haven't done it much after (Sorry). Now, I'm getting back into it and finding the format kind of weird. When selecting certain problem type sometimes it lets me pick immediately, other times not. Any fixes?
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Spacepandamath13
May 29, 2025
Yiyj
Today at 1:27 AM
Challenge: Make every number to 100 using 4 fours
CJB19   274
N Today at 12:30 AM by AllenHou
I've seen this attempted a lot but I want to see if the AoPS community can actually do it. Using ONLY 4 fours and math operations, make as many numbers as you can. Try to go in order. I'll start:
$$(4-4)*4*4=0$$$$4-4+4/4=1$$$$4/4+4/4=2$$$$(4+4+4)/4=3$$$$4+(4-4)*4=4$$$$4+4^{4-4}=5$$$$4!/4+4-4=6$$$$4+4-4/4=7$$$$4+4+4-4=8$$
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CJB19
May 15, 2025
AllenHou
Today at 12:30 AM
DHR Amc8?
imsuper   139
N Today at 12:23 AM by Moon_settler
What do yall think the DHR this year will be? Will 22 be enough?
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imsuper
Jan 30, 2025
Moon_settler
Today at 12:23 AM
Combo Bash
DhruvJha   5
N Yesterday at 11:01 PM by EthanNg6
Devin and Cowen are playing a game where they take turns flipping a biased coin. The coin lands on heads with probability 2/3 and tails with probability 1/3. Devin goes first. On each turn, the current player flips the coin repeatedly until the coin lands tails. For each heads flipped, the player gains 1 point and continues flipping. If the coin lands tails, their turn ends, and the other player takes their turn. The first player to reach 3 points wins the game immediately. What is the probability that Devin wins the game? Express your answer as a common fraction in lowest terms.
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DhruvJha
May 27, 2025
EthanNg6
Yesterday at 11:01 PM
Inequality with condition a+b+c = ab+bc+ca (and special equality case)
DoThinh2001   69
N Apr 30, 2025 by mihaig
Source: BMO 2019, problem 2
Let $a,b,c$ be real numbers such that $0 \leq a \leq b \leq c$ and $a+b+c=ab+bc+ca >0.$
Prove that $\sqrt{bc}(a+1) \geq 2$ and determine the equality cases.

(Edit: Proposed by sir Leonard Giugiuc, Romania)
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DoThinh2001
May 2, 2019
mihaig
Apr 30, 2025
Inequality with condition a+b+c = ab+bc+ca (and special equality case)
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hellomath010118 wrote:
hellomath010118 wrote:
bel.jad5 wrote:

why $ab\geq 1$?

I solved for $c$ using $a+b+c=ab+bc+ca$ to obtain $(ab-a-b)/(1-a-b)=c\geq 1 $ .I should have written it the other way round for more clarity. Edit: It might seem that this step is invalid for $a+b=1$ but then $a+b+c=ab+bc+ca \implies ab=1$ which is impossible for $a+b=1$(due to AM-GM)
bel.jad5 wrote:

$ab\geq 1$ is not always true...$(0,2,2)$ for example is an equality case for this problem.

Then it must be true for $a \neq 0$ and the case $a=0$ is easy. Sorry, my silly fault of not considering this case :)

I think it is still not true for $a$ very small. take $a=10^{-2019}$
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I'm afraid that you are true ; the hole is in this step I think:
hellomath010118 wrote:
$a+b+c=ab+bc+ca \implies \dfrac{ab-a-b}{1-a-b}=c \geq 1$ and we get $ab \geq 1$
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Don't worry, with a little patience you'll find an own interesting proof.
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Since there are many synthetic proofs, let me present a proof using Lagrange Multipliers.
Define $f(a,b,c)=bc(a^2+2a+1)$ and $g(a,b,c)=ab+bc+ca-a-b-c$, so that we will prove that $f(a,b,c)\geq 4$ with $g(a,b,c)=0$ using Lagrange Multipliers. Note that $\nabla  g=\left<b+c-1,c+a-1,a+b-1\right>\ne 0$ at all points, and moreover that $f$ and $g$ have continuous partial derivatives.

Let $U=\{(a,b,c) | a^2+b^2+c^2 <1000\}$, then $\overline U=\{(a,b,c) | a^2+b^2+c^2\leq 1000\}$ which is bounded, then the constraint set, $\overline S=\{\mathbf x \in \overline U : g(\mathbf x)=0\}$ is compact. Hence, it achieves a minimum value say $\mathbf x$.

Let $\mathbf x$ lies on the boundary, then at least one component of $\mathbf x$ is zero, let's say $a=0$, then we have \[bc=b+c \implies \frac{b+c}{2}\geq \sqrt{bc}, bc\geq 4 \iff f(0,b,c)=bc\geq 4\]as desired and the minimum value holds at $a=0, b=c=2$.

Otherwise, let $\mathbf x=(a,b,c)$. By Lagrange Multiplies, we have \[\left<bc(2a+2), c(a^2+2a+1), b(a^2+2a+1)\right>=\lambda \left<b+c-1, c+a-1, a+b-1\right>.\]If $\lambda =0,$ then $b=0$, $c=0$ which don't satisfy the conditions that $ab+bc+ca >0$. So, $\lambda \ne 0$, we will get that \[2bc(a+1)=\lambda (b+c-1) \ \ (1)\]\[c(a+1)^2=\lambda (c+a-1) \ \ (2)\]\[b(a+1)^2=\lambda (a+b-1) \ \ (3)\]From $(1), \lambda=\frac{2bc(a+1)}{b+c-1}$, sub it into $(2)$, we get \[a=-1+\frac{4b-2bc}{b-c+1}\]and so from $(3)$, \[b(a+1)^2=\frac{2bc(a+1)(b+a-1)}{b+c-1}\implies a=-1+\frac{2bc-4c}{b-c-1}.\]Equating these two equalities, \[\frac{4b-2bc}{b-c+1}=\frac{2bc-4c}{b-c-1}\implies (b-c)(b+c-bc-1)=0\]

Case 1: $b=c$
We get \[a=-1+\frac{2bc-4c}{b-c-1}=-2c^2+4c-1\]and from $ab+bc+ca=a+b+c,$ \[c(-2c^2+4c-1)+c^2+c(-2c^2+4c-1)-(-2c^2+4c-1)-c-c=0 \implies (c-1)(4c^2-7c+1)=0\]If $c=b=1$, then $a=1$ and $f(1,1,1)=4$ which means $\mathbf x=(1,1,1)$. If $4c^2-7c+1=0, c=\frac{7\pm \sqrt{33}}{8}$ and solving for $a$ gives $a=\frac{-1\pm \sqrt{33}}{16}$. Take $a=\frac{-1+\sqrt{33}}{16}\geq 0$, then we can check that \[f\left(\frac{-1+\sqrt{33}}{16}, \frac{7+\sqrt{33}}{8}, \frac{7+\sqrt{33}}{8}\right)\geq 4.\]Case 2:$b+c-bc-1=0$
We have $(b-1)(c-1)=0$ \implies $b=1$ or $c=1$. In either case, we can get that $\mathbf x=(1,1,1)$ also.
HENCE, the equality holds when $(a,b,c)=(0,2,2), (1,1,1)$. Since this is the minimum point, $\sqrt{bc}(a+1)\geq 2. \blacksquare$
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Bravo! Interesting perspective.
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My solution
Let $a+b+c=ab+bc+ac=k$. We have $$(a+b+c)^2 \ge 3(ab+bc+ca)$$So $$ k^2 \ge 3k \implies k\ge 3$$.
From the question, we have $bc \ge ca \ge ab$. So $bc\ge 1$.
We have $b+c \ge 2\sqrt{bc} \ge 2$
On the other hand, we have $$a=\frac{b+c-bc}{b+c-1}=1-\frac{bc-1}{b+c-1} \ge 1-\frac{bc-1}{2\sqrt{bc}-1}=\frac{\sqrt{bc}(2-\sqrt{bc})}{2\sqrt{bc}-1}$$For $ \sqrt{bc}=2$, we have $ a\ge 0$. So $$\sqrt{bc}(a+1) \ge 2$$For $ \sqrt{bc} >2$, $$\sqrt{bc}(a+1)>2(a+1) \ge 2$$For $\sqrt{bc}<2$, we have $$ a\sqrt{bc}+\sqrt{bc} \ge \frac{\sqrt{bc}(2-\sqrt{bc})}{2\sqrt{bc}-1}+\sqrt{bc}=\frac{bc}{2\sqrt{bc}-1}(2-\sqrt{bc})+\sqrt{bc}\ge 2-\sqrt{bc}+\sqrt{bc}=2$$Q.E.D
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Bravo! https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6t243f6h2305712_non_symmetric_with_3suma2sumabgt0

Let $a\geq b\geq c\geq d\geq0$ such that $3\left(a+b+c+d\right)=2\left(ab+bc+cd+da+ac+bd\right)>0.$ Prove
$$\sqrt{ab}+\sqrt{ac}+\sqrt{ad}+\sqrt{bc}+\sqrt{bd}+\sqrt{cd}+a-d\geq6.$$When do we have equality?
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For the collection, another own problem.

For what positive real values of $p$ does
$$\sqrt{ab}+\sqrt{bc}+\sqrt{ca}\geq3$$hold for all $a\geq b\geq c\geq0$ satisfying $a+b+c=ab+bc+ca>0$ and $ab=p^2?$
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For the collection: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h2599598p22438129

Let $k>0~$ be fixed. Find
$$\max\left(\frac{1}{ab+k}+\frac{1}{bc+k}+\frac{1}{ac+k}\right)$$over all $c\geq b\geq a\geq0~\text{and}~ab+bc+ac=a+b+c>0~.$
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Let $k>0~$ be fixed. Find
$$\min\left(\sqrt{ka+1}+\sqrt{kb+1}+\sqrt{kc+1}\right)$$over all $c, b, a\geq0~\text{satisfying}~ab+bc+ac=a+b+c>0~.$
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Wrong solution
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Can you detail your assertion?
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If $\sqrt{bc} > 2$, then we have $\sqrt{bc}(a+1) > 2$.
If $\sqrt{bc} < 1$, this implies $bc < 1$ which is $ab + ac + bc < 3$ , impossible.
When $1 \leq \sqrt{bc} \leq 2$, let's denote $x = b + c $ and $y = \sqrt{bc}$.
Then we have:
$$ (a+1)\sqrt{bc} = \left( 2b + 2c - bc - \frac{1}{b+c-1} \right)\sqrt{bc} \geq 2. $$
This is equivalent to proving:
$$ 2x(y - 1) \geq y^3 + y - 2. $$
If we use $x \geq 2y$, it factorizes to:
$$ (y - 1)^2(2 - y) \geq 0, \text{ and we are done.} $$
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$(ab+bc+ac)^2 = (a+b+c)^2 \geq 3(ab+bc+ac)$
$\iff ab+bc+ac \geq 3 \Rightarrow a+b+c \geq 3, \quad a \leq b \leq c \quad \Rightarrow \quad c \geq 1.$
$c = \frac{ab - a - b}{1 - a - b} \geq 1 \quad \Rightarrow \quad abc \geq 1.$

Now,
$\sqrt{bc}(a+1) \geq \sqrt{\frac{1}{a}}(a+1) \geq \sqrt{\frac{1}{a}} \times 2\sqrt{a} = 2.$
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Rayvhs wrote:
$(ab+bc+ac)^2 = (a+b+c)^2 \geq 3(ab+bc+ac)$
$\iff ab+bc+ac \geq 3 \Rightarrow a+b+c \geq 3, \quad a \leq b \leq c \quad \Rightarrow \quad c \geq 1.$
$c = \frac{ab - a - b}{1 - a - b} \geq 1 \quad \Rightarrow \quad abc \geq 1.$

Now,
$\sqrt{bc}(a+1) \geq \sqrt{\frac{1}{a}}(a+1) \geq \sqrt{\frac{1}{a}} \times 2\sqrt{a} = 2.$

How $abc\geq1?$ It's false, of course
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