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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
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Problem. Let $a,b,c\in \mathbb{R}:\ a+b+c=3.$ Prove that $$\color{black}{\sqrt{5a^{2}-ab+5b^{2}}+\sqrt{5b^{2}-bc+5c^{2}}+\sqrt{5c^{2}-ca+5a^{2}}\le 2(a^2+b^2+c^2)+ab+bc+ca.}$$When does equality hold?
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Two Functional Inequalities
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Source: 2025 Nepal Mock TST Day 2 Problem 2
Determine all functions $f : \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ such that $$f(x) \le x^3$$and $$f(x + y) \le f(x) + f(y) + 3xy(x + y)$$for any real numbers $x$ and $y$.

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In the diagrams below, switches A, B and C work independently of each other. The probability that any given switch is closed is 0.9. Current can only flow through a switch if it is closed. Work out the probability that the current can flow from on end to the other end of the circuit.
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Have you taken the AMC 10 test before?
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[quote=March 21st Problem]Alice flips a fair coin until she gets 2 heads in a row, or a tail and then a head. What is the probability that she stopped after 2 heads in a row? Express your answer as a common fraction.[/quote]

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Math Problem I cant figure out how to do without bashing
equalsmc2   0
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Hi,
I cant figure out how to do these 2 problems without bashing. Do you guys have any ideas for an elegant solution? Thank you!
Prob 1.
An RSM sports field has a square shape. Poles with letters M, A, T, H are located at the corners of the square (see the diagram). During warm up, a student starts at any pole, runs to another pole along a side of the square or across the field along diagonal MT (only in the direction from M to T), then runs to another pole along a side of the square or along diagonal MT, and so on. The student cannot repeat a run along the same side/diagonal of the square in the same direction. For instance, she cannot run from M to A twice, but she can run from M to A and at some point from A to M. How many different ways are there to complete the warm up that includes all nine possible runs (see the diagram)? One possible way is M-A-T-H-M-H-T-A-M-T (picture attached)

Prob 2.
In the expression 5@5@5@5@5 you replace each of the four @ symbols with either +, or, or x, or . You can insert one or more pairs of parentheses to control the order of operations. Find the second least whole number that CANNOT be the value of the resulting expression. For example, each of the numbers 25=5+5+5+5+5 and 605+(5+5)×5+5 can be the value of the resulting expression.

Prob 3. (This isnt bashing I don't understand how to do it though)
Suppose BC = 3AB in rectangle ABCD. Points E and F are on side BC such that BE = EF = FC. Compute the sum of the degree measures of the four angles EAB, EAF, EAC, EAD.

P.S. These are from an RSM olympiad. The answers are
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My first article : On the Desargues Involution Theorem
MarkBcc168   16
N Feb 8, 2024 by foolish07
Here is my first article about Desargues Involution Theorem. Any suggestions or ideas for the next articles would be appreciated.

Enjoy Reading!

EDIT : Added synthetic proof of Theorem 1.4 by TinaSprout.

EDIT2: Attached the v2 version.
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Here is my first article about Desargues Involution Theorem. Any suggestions or ideas for the next articles would be appreciated.

Enjoy Reading!

EDIT : Added synthetic proof of Theorem 1.4 by TinaSprout.

EDIT2: Attached the v2 version.
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If $ \Phi $ is an involution on a line $ \ell $ and $ \Phi( \infty) = V, $ then for any two points $ X, Y \in \ell $ we have $$ ( \infty, V ;X ,Y ) = (V, \infty; \Phi (X), \Phi (Y)) \Longrightarrow VX \ \cdot \ V\Phi( X ) = VY \ \cdot \ V\Phi( Y ) \ . $$
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Hi fellow AoPSers!

3 years later, I have revised and improved the article, so here is the v2 version of this article, attached below this post! Several changes include:
  • added much more problems (from 8 to 20), including many easier ones for practice;
  • added many quality .asy diagrams to accompany the reading;
  • fixed the statement of Theorem 4, which I originally forgot to mention the reflection case;
  • re-formatted many parts, such as section headers and box around theorems;
  • fixed many English mistakes.
Hope you enjoy reading!
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Thank you very much MarkBcc168! This article is great.
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Good article!!!
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Dear,
very interesting article...Congratulations...

Sincerely
Jean-Louis
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I can see that for problem 10 in the practice problem section, “no source” is stated. It’s is actually another version of a problem from India:
(India postal 2015) https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h1090064p4842148

So essentially, your original statement works for any quadrilateral instead for just convex ones.

Again, great article!!!
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Can someone help me on #20. My ideas are that it somehow relates to the line at infinity and circle points, with which we can construct involutions and such, but I'm not sure where to go from here. Perhaps there is a nice proj transform, I tried doing the proj transform taking the two intersections of $(ABC),(DEF)$ to the circle points, but I'm not sure what to do from there either.
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Can we try to compile the solutions/links to the practice problems so that for the people who try the handout, it is easy for them to find the solutions. Below are few of such solutions/links:


Problem 1 (Pappus Theorem): https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h2580063p22201035

Problem 2 (China TST 2017): https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h1402014p7841502

Problem 3 (Serbia MO 2019): https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h1817569p12130765

Problem 4 (Parallelogram Isogonality Lemma): Look at pencils through $A$. We use DDIT on the four lines $BP,BQ,CP,CQ$. Two of the points would be at infinity. We obtain the involution is a reflection in angle bisector of $\angle A$. Hence it swaps $AP,AQ$ also. Done.

Problem 5 (Existence of Orthotransversal): This solution is same as that of Example 1

Problem 6 (Serbia MO 2017): https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c6h1417552p7978514 See soln is post #17 (which is below too)
tastymath75025 wrote:
A short solution, found with zacchro:

Let $k_a$ be tangent to $BC,CA,AB$ at $D,E,F$. Let $\omega_a$ be the $A$-mixtillinear incircle tangent to $(ABC)$ at $T$, and let $X$ be the intersection of the tangents to $k,k_a$. By Monge on $\omega_a, k_a,k$ we know $A,X,T$ are collinear, so $AX, AD$ are isogonal. Now it's clear that the sides of quadrilateral $XPDQ$ are tangent to $k_a$, and $AE,AF$ are tangents to $k_a$, so by the dual of Desargues' Involution Theorem applied on $XPDQ,A,k_a$ we know that $(AE;AF), (AX;AD), (AP;AQ)$ form an involution. But the first two pairs of lines are images under reflection across the $A$-angle bisector, so the last pair must be as well, hence $AP,AQ$ are isogonal.
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Also below are few errors which I would like to point out.

1. In Theorem 5, it is important that $f$ is not identity. Otherwise statement no longer true of course.

2. Source of Practice problem 3 is Serbia 2019, not 2018

3. In Theorem 2 also, we require $A \ne A'$. Though it was written clearly "two points $A,A' \in \mathcal P$", so logically its fine. But maybe its just better to write $A \ne A'$ explicitly, I am not sure.
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Problem 20 wrote:
Problem 20. Let $A,B,C,D,E,F$ be six points lying on a conic $\mathcal C$. Suppose that $\triangle ABC$ and $\triangle DEF$ share the common orthocenter $H$. Prove that $H$ lie on the radical axis of $\odot(ABC)$ and $(DEF)$.

Here's a proof when $\mathcal C$ is an ellipse and $H$ lies inside $\mathcal C$. Remark


Lemma 1: Let $ABC$ be a triangle with orthocenter $H$. Let $K$ be any point on $\odot(ABC)$. Let $\ell$ be a line passing through $H$. Let $X,Y,Z = \ell \cap BC,CA,AB$. Let $\Phi$ be inversion at $H$ fixing $\odot(ABC)$. Let $X',Y',Z' = \Phi(X),\Phi(Y),\Phi(Z)$. Then $AX',BY',CZ'$ concur at $K$, for precisely two choices $\ell_1,\ell_2$ of $\ell$. Further $\ell_1 \perp \ell_2$.

Proof: Let $\ell_A$ be line passing through $A$ parallel $\ell$.

Claim 1.1: $AX'$ is reflection of $AH$ in $\ell_A$ (which also means $\ell_A$ is one of the two angle bisectors of $\angle HAX'$).

Proof: Let $H_A = AH \cap BC$ and $A_0$ be projection of $A$ onto $\ell$. Note that
$$ HX \cdot HA_0 = HA \cdot HD = \frac{HX \cdot HX'}{2} $$So $A_0$ is the midpoint of segment $HX'$. So $\triangle AX'H$ is isoseles with $AX' = AH$. Also $AA_0$ (which is $\perp \ell$) is a angle bisector of $\angle HAX'$, so the other angle bisector is parallel to $\ell$, which is $\ell_A$. $\square$

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dot("$A_0$",A0,dir(180));
dot("$H_A$",D,dir(140));
dot("$Y'$",Yp,dir(Yp));
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Claim 1.2: Line $AX',BY',CZ'$ concur at a point on $\odot(ABC)$.

Proof: Observe that
$$ \angle(AX',BY') = \angle(\ell,AX') + \angle (BY',\ell) \stackrel{\text{Claim 1.1}}{=} \angle(AH,\ell) + \angle(\ell,BH) = \angle(BH,AH) = \angle ACB$$This means $AX',BY'$ concur on $\odot(ABC)$. Similarly $AX',CZ'$ concur on $\odot(ABC)$. Combining, we obtain our Claim. $\square$

Now it is not hard to observe that the two Claims imply our Lemma. Basically, $\ell_1,\ell_2$ are lines parallel to the two angle bisectors of $\angle HAK$. $\square \square$


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Let $K$ be fourth intersection point of $\odot(ABC)$ and $\mathcal C$. Pick two perpendicular lines $\ell_1,\ell_2$ through $H$ as in Lemma 1. Let $\ell \in \{\ell_1,\ell_2\}$ and $\Phi$ be inversion at $H$ fixing $\odot(ABC)$. We apply DIT on points $A,B,C,K$ wrt $\ell$. By Lemma 1, we know the involution swapping intersection of $\ell$ with the six lines is just $\Phi$. Hence if we consider the intersection of $\ell$ with $\mathcal C$, then those two points must also get swapped under $\Phi$. More precisely, let $\ell_1$ intersect $\mathcal C$ at $W_1,Y_1$ and $\ell_2$ intersect $\mathcal C$ at $X_1,Z_1$. Then we have that
$$ HW_1 \cdot HY_1 = HX_1 \cdot HZ_1 = \text{Pow}_H(\odot(ABC)) $$[asy]
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In a similar manner, we can construct perpendicular lines $m_1,m_2$ passing through $H$ such that: If $m_1 \cap \mathcal C = \{W_2,Y_2\}$ and $m_2 \cap \mathcal C = \{X_2,Z_2\}$. Then we have
$$ HW_2 \cdot HY_2 = HX_2 \cdot HZ_2 $$So it suffices to prove the following Lemma:


Lemma 2: Let $\mathcal C$ be an ellipse and $H$ be a point inside it. Lines $\ell_1,\ell_2,m_1,m_2$ pass through $H$ with $\ell_1 \perp \ell_2$ and $m_1 \perp m_2$. Let
$$ \ell_1 \cap \mathcal C = \{W_1,Y_1\} , \ell_2 \cap \mathcal C = \{X_1,Z_1\} ~,~ m_1 \cap \mathcal C = \{W_2,Y_2\} , m_2 \cap \mathcal C = \{X_2,Z_2\} $$Suppose that
\begin{align*}
HW_1 \cdot HY_1 = HX_1 \cdot HZ_1 = \lambda_1 \\
HW_2 \cdot HY_2 = HX_2 \cdot HZ_2 = \lambda_2 
\end{align*}Then $\lambda_1 = \lambda_2$.

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Proof: Note all configurations are similar to the one above. Let $\omega$ be the circle passing through points $W_1,X_1,Y_1,Z_1$. If $\mathcal C \equiv \omega$ or $\{\ell_1,\ell_2\},\{m_1,m_2\}$, our Lemma is clearly true. Assume otherwise now. We will show a contradiction.
Since $W_2,Y_2$ lie inside $\omega$, thus
$$ \lambda_2 = HW_2 \cdot HY_2 < \text{Pow}_H(\omega) = \lambda_1 $$But since $X_2,Z_2$ lie outside $\omega$, thus
$$ \lambda_2 =  HX_2 \cdot HZ_2 > \text{Pow}_H (\omega) = \lambda_2 $$Hence we obtain a contradiction, as desired. $\square$


This completes the proof of the problem. $\blacksquare$ Remark
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Problem 20 was discussed on this link: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c374081h1827518
(where some complete proofs can be found)
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Can someone post solution for problem 18?
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In the proof for theorem 5, he wrote that
Quote:
Let $(A_1, A_2); (B_1,B_2); (C_1, C_2)$ be any three reciprocal pairs of $f$. Perform an inversion around any point $P \in C$; it takes $C$ to a line $l$ and $(A_1, A_2); (B_1, B_2); (C_1, C_2)$ become reciprocal pairs of an involution $f'$ on a line $l$ (due to the projection from $P$).
I think it should be
Quote:
Let $(A_1, A_2); (B_1,B_2); (C_1, C_2)$ be any three reciprocal pairs of $f$. Perform an inversion around any point $P \in C$; it takes $C$ to a line $l$ and $(A_1', A_2'); (B_1', B_2'); (C_1', C_2')$ become reciprocal pairs of an involution $f'$ on a line $l$ (due to the projection from $P$), where $A_1',B_1', C_1', A_2',B_2', C_2', $ is the inversion image of $A_1, B_1, C_1, A_2, B_2, C_2$.
Furthermore, I don't understand why the inversion image pairs become reciprocal pairs as the author's reasoning. Here I try to explain the claim in more detail as my understanding of this claim.
Claim : $(A_1',A_2'), (B_1', B_2'), (C_1', C_2')$ are reciprocal pair on $l$.
Proof. Consider inversion $I$ with center $P \in C$ and any non-zero power $k$. Consider $f ' = I \circ f \circ I$. We prove $(A_1',A_2'), (B_1', B_2'), (C_1', C_2')$ are reciprocal pair under involution $f'$.
  • First of all, as $f'$ is the composition of cross-ratio preserving function, $f'$ also preserves cross-ratio on $l$.
  • $f'(A_1')= I(f(I(A_1'))) = I(f(A_1)) = I(A_2) = A_2'$, $f'(A_2')= I(f(I(A_2'))) = I(f(A_2)) = I(A_1) = A_1'$. According to theorem 2, $f'$ is an involution.
  • Similarly to above, it's easy to verified $(A_1',A_2'), (B_1', B_2'), (C_1', C_2')$ are reciprocal pair under involution $f'$
Please let me know if I'm overdoing the problem or not! Thank you.
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This is what he meant:
$(A, B;C,D) = (\overline{PA},\overline{PB};\overline{PC},\overline{PD}) = (A',B';C',D')$.
Since cross-ratios are preserved involution pairs are also preserved.
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aqwxderf wrote:
This is what he meant:
$(A, B;C,D) = (\overline{PA},\overline{PB};\overline{PC},\overline{PD}) = (A',B';C',D')$.
Since cross-ratios are preserved involution pairs are also preserved.

I think we still need to prove the claim that from reciprocal pairs on a conic, we can project them all onto a line and have a new involution on line $l$ and preserve the old reciprocal pairs. I believe it should be verified carefully. The new involution is the composition of Projecting from a point in line onto conic, the involution on conic $f$, and project again from conic onto line similarly to my proof above :D
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Can someone explain to me why the f defined in the proof of theorem6 exists?
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