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A small square is constructed inside a square of area 1 by dividing each side of the unit square into $n$ equal parts, and then connecting the vertices to the division points closest to the opposite vertices. Find the value of $n$ if the the area of the small square is exactly 1/1985.
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A small square is constructed inside a square of area 1 by dividing each side of the unit square into $n$ equal parts, and then connecting the vertices to the division points closest to the opposite vertices. Find the value of $n$ if the the area of the small square is exactly 1/1985.
[asy]
size(200);
pair A=(0,1), B=(1,1), C=(1,0), D=origin;
draw(A--B--C--D--A--(1,1/6));
draw(C--(0,5/6)^^B--(1/6,0)^^D--(5/6,1));
pair point=( 0.5 , 0.5 );
//label("$A$", A, dir(point--A));
//label("$B$", B, dir(point--B));
//label("$C$", C, dir(point--C));
//label("$D$", D, dir(point--D));
label("$1/n$", (11/12,1), N, fontsize(9));[/asy]
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Reason: corners of square not labeled in original diagram
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Let $A''$ be the foot of the perpendicular from $A'$ to $AC'$. Then $\angle AA'A''=\angle DAC'$ (perpendicular sides), so $\triangle AA'A''\sim\triangle C'AD$, therefore $A'A'': AA'=AD: AC'.$

Since $AA'={1\over n}, AD=1, AC'=\sqrt{1+\left({n-1\over n}\right)^2}$, we get

$A'A''=\frac{{1\over n}}{\sqrt{1+\left({n-1\over n}\right)^2}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{n^2+(n-1)^2}}$

Hence the area of the small square is $A'A''^2=\frac{1}{n^2+(n-1)^2}$

This gives the equation

$n^2+(n-1)^2=1985\iff n^2-n-992=0\iff n=\frac{1\pm 63}{2}$

Since $n$ is positive, we get $n=32$
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Vague notation (the points with primes aren't defined). Please update.
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4everwise wrote:
However, note that $ \frac mn$ is equal to the length of a side of the interior square, $ \frac1{1985}$.

How do you know that? I don't see the connection ... ...
(Yes, I realize this topic is very old...tried to find out why above true, but couldn't...)
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For convenience I'll redefine 4everwise's points, but the solution will remain the same.
[asy]defaultpen(fontsize(8));
pair A=(0,1), C=(31/32,1), P, D=(0,0), B=(0,31/32), Q;
P=foot(A,D,C);Q=foot(B,D,C);
draw(A--C--D--A--P);
draw(B--Q);
label("$A$",A,(-1,1));label("$D$",D,(-1,-1));label("$D'$",C,(1,1));label("$P$",P,(0,1));label("$C'$",B,(-1,-1));label("$Q$",Q,(-1,0));[/asy]
Define $ DP=m$. $ AD=1\implies AP=\sqrt{1-m^2}$. $ AD'=1-\frac{1}{n}$, and we know $ \triangle ADP\sim \triangle D'AP$. Therefore we have $ \frac{m}{1}=\frac{\sqrt{1-m^2}}{1-\frac{1}{n}}$
Also $ \triangle ADP\sim\triangle C'DQ\implies \frac{AC'}{AD}=\frac{PQ}{PD}\implies \frac{\frac{1}{n}}{1}=\frac{PQ}{m}\implies PQ=\frac{m}{n}$.
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*Revive wand*

This is probably a really stupid question, but why is the area of the little square not just $(1/n)^2/2$?
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That would imply the angles of the trapezoid near the edge of the square are $ 45^\circ $ and $ 135^\circ $ but they are not because that would imply $ \overline{AP} = \overline{PD'} $ which is clearly false.
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So I guess the square in the center is slightly "skewed"?
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I'm not sure what you mean by skewed. If you mean not at a $ 45^\circ $ angle to the unit square when extended, then yes.

Not to delve off topic, but why does your post have 21 edits? Sorta funny...
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It's in his signature...
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Yes, he already PMed me. lol
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PP. A small square is constructed inside a square of area $1$ by dividing each side of the unit square into $n$ equal parts, and then connecting
the vertices to the division points closest to the opposite vertices. Find the value of $n$ if the the area of the small square is exactly $\frac {1}{1985}$ .
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pair A=(0,1), B=(1,1), C=(1,0), D=origin;
draw(A--B--C--D--A--(1,1/6));
draw(C--(0,5/6)^^B--(1/6,0)^^D--(5/6,1));
pair point=( 0.5 , 0.5 );
label("$A$", A, dir(point--A));
label("$B$", B, dir(point--B));
label("$C$", C, dir(point--C));
label("$D$", D, dir(point--D));
label("$1/n$", (11/12,1), N, fontsize(9));[/asy]
Proof. Let $M\in (AD)$ and $N\in (AB)$ so that $AM=NB=\frac 1n\ ,\ m\left(\widehat{ADN}\right)=\phi $ and the sidelength $l$ of the small square.

Observe that $\boxed{l=AM\cdot \cos\phi}\ (*)\ , \tan\phi =\frac {AN}{AD}=\frac {n-1}{n}$ . Therefore, $\cos\phi =\frac {1}{\sqrt{1+\tan^2\phi}}=$ $\frac {n}{\sqrt{n^2+(n-1)^2}}\stackrel{(*)}{\implies}$

$\frac {1}{\sqrt {1985}}=\frac 1n\cdot \frac {n}{\sqrt{n^2+(n-1)^2}}\iff$ $2n^2-2n+1=1985\iff$ $n(n-1)=992=32\cdot 31\iff$ $\boxed{n=32}$ .
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$\color{blue} \boxed{\textbf{Unique SOLUTION}}$

Consider the parallelogram $BLDK,$
Let $l=1$ be the length of the big square and $k$ be the length of small square, then
$[BLDK]=\frac{1}{n} \times l$
Again,
$[BLDK]=k \times \sqrt{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}$
So,
$$\frac{1}{n} \times l=k \times \sqrt{l^2+\frac{n-1}{n}^2} \implies k^2=\frac{\frac{l^2}{n^2}}{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}=\frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{n^2+(n-1)^2}{n^2}}=\frac{1}{n^2+(n-1)^2}\implies 2n^2-2n+1=1985 \implies (n-32)(n+31)=0 \implies n=32 $$
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Wasn't this on some AMC or the other?
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lian_the_noob12 wrote:
$\color{red} \boxed{\textbf{Unique SOLUTION}}$

Consider the parallelogram $BLDK,$
Let $l=1$ be the length of the big square and $k$ be the length of small square, then
$[BLDK]=\frac{1}{n} \times l$
Again,
$[BLDK]=k \times \sqrt{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}$
So,
$$\frac{1}{n} \times l=k \times \sqrt{l^2+\frac{n-1}{n}^2} \implies k^2=\frac{\frac{l^2}{n^2}}{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}=\frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{n^2+(n-1)^2}{n^2}}=\frac{1}{n^2+(n-1)^2}\implies 2n^2-2n+1=1985 \implies (n-32)(n+31)=0 \implies n=32 $$

you revived this thread after 11 years :read:
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one she joined early, also she is a classroom moderator so she answers a lot of questions from students
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bbojy wrote:
lian_the_noob12 wrote:
$\color{red} \boxed{\textbf{Unique SOLUTION}}$

Consider the parallelogram $BLDK,$
Let $l=1$ be the length of the big square and $k$ be the length of small square, then
$[BLDK]=\frac{1}{n} \times l$
Again,
$[BLDK]=k \times \sqrt{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}$
So,
$$\frac{1}{n} \times l=k \times \sqrt{l^2+\frac{n-1}{n}^2} \implies k^2=\frac{\frac{l^2}{n^2}}{l^2+(\frac{n-1}{n})^2}=\frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{n^2+(n-1)^2}{n^2}}=\frac{1}{n^2+(n-1)^2}\implies 2n^2-2n+1=1985 \implies (n-32)(n+31)=0 \implies n=32 $$

you revived this thread after 11 years :read:

Hehe :)
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I did not like this problem. Basically, we can do length chasing. And get that $n^2-n-992=0$, and hence, the positive solution is $\boxed{32}.$
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