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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
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May 1, 2025
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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Arr0w
Feb 11, 2022
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
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Jul 2, 2019
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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jellymoop
May 8, 2015
harry1234
May 16, 2018
interesting geo config (2/3)
Royal_mhyasd   1
N 5 minutes ago by Royal_mhyasd
Source: own
Let $\triangle ABC$ be an acute triangle and $H$ its orthocenter. Let $P$ be a point on the parallel through $A$ to $BC$ such that $\angle APH = |\angle ABC-\angle ACB|$. Define $Q$ and $R$ as points on the parallels through $B$ to $AC$ and through $C$ to $AB$ similarly. If $P,Q,R$ are positioned around the sides of $\triangle ABC$ as in the given configuration, prove that $P,Q,R$ are collinear.
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Royal_mhyasd
7 minutes ago
Royal_mhyasd
5 minutes ago
interesting geo config (1\3)
Royal_mhyasd   0
25 minutes ago
Source: own
Let $\triangle ABC$ be an acute triangle with $AC > AB$, $H$ its orthocenter and $O$ it's circumcenter. Let $P$ be a point on the parallel through $A$ to $BC$ such that $\angle APH = \angle ABC - \angle ACB$ and $P$ and $C$ are on different sides of $AB$. Denote by $S$ the intersection of the circumcircle of $\triangle ABC$ and $PA'$, where $A'$ is the reflection of $H$ over $BC$, $M$ the midpoint of $PH$, $Q$ the intersection of $OA$ and the parallel through $M$ to $AS$, $R$ the intersection of $MS$ and the perpendicular through $O$ to $PS$ and $N$ a point on $AS$ such that $NT \parallel PS$, where $T$ is the midpoint of $HS$. Prove that $Q, N, R$ lie on a line.

fiy it's 2am and i'm bored so i decided to look further into this interesting config that i had already made some observations on, maybe this problem is trivial from some theorem so if that's the case then i'm sorry lol :P i'll probably post 2 more problems related to it soon, i'd say they're easier than this though
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Royal_mhyasd
25 minutes ago
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Parallel lines..
ts0_9   9
N 34 minutes ago by OutKast
Source: Kazakhstan National Olympiad 2014 P3 D1 10 grade
The triangle $ABC$ is inscribed in a circle $w_1$. Inscribed in a triangle circle touchs the sides $BC$ in a point $N$. $w_2$ — the circle inscribed in a segment $BAC$ circle of $w_1$, and passing through a point $N$. Let points $O$ and $J$ — the centers of circles $w_2$ and an extra inscribed circle (touching side $BC$) respectively. Prove, that lines $AO$ and $JN$ are parallel.
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ts0_9
Mar 26, 2014
OutKast
34 minutes ago
KMN and PQR are tangent at a fixed point
hal9v4ik   4
N 35 minutes ago by OutKast
Let $ABCD$ be cyclic quadrilateral. Let $AC$ and $BD$ intersect at $R$, and let $AB$ and $CD$ intersect at $K$. Let $M$ and $N$ are points on $AB$ and $CD$ such that $\frac{AM}{MB}=\frac{CN}{ND}$. Let $P$ and $Q$ be the intersections of $MN$ with the diagonals of $ABCD$. Prove that circumcircles of triangles $KMN$ and $PQR$ are tangent at a fixed point.
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hal9v4ik
Mar 19, 2013
OutKast
35 minutes ago
SOLVE: CDR style problem quick algebra
ryfighter   6
N an hour ago by EthanNg6
It takes 3 people 10 minutes to mow 2 lawns. How many minutes will it take for 2 people to mow 10 lawns? Express your answer in hours as a decimal.

$(A)$ $1.25$
$(B)$ $75$
$(C)$ $01.025$
$(D)$ $1.5$
$(E)$ $15.25$
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ryfighter
Today at 3:19 AM
EthanNg6
an hour ago
Fun challange problem :)
TigerSenju   32
N an hour ago by maxamc
Scenario:

Master Alchemist Aurelius is renowned for his mastery of elemental fusion. He works with seven fundamental, yet mysterious, elements: Ignis (Fire), Aqua (Water), Terra (Earth), Aer (Air), Lux (Light), Umbra (Shadow), and Aether (Spirit). Each element possesses a unique 'potency' value, a positive integer crucial for his most complex fusions

Aurelius has lost his master log of these potencies. All he has left are seven cryptic scrolls, each containing a precise relationship between the potencies of various elements. He needs these values to complete his Grand Device. Can you help him deduce the exact potency of each element?

The Elements and Their Potencies:

Let I represent the potency of Ignis (Fire).
Let A represent the potency of Aqua (Water).
Let T represent the potency of Terra (Earth).
Let R represent the potency of Aer (Air).
Let L represent the potency of Lux (Light).
Let U represent the potency of Umbra (Shadow).
Let E represent the potency of Aether (Spirit).
The Cryptic Scrolls (System of Equations):

Aurelius's scrolls reveal the following relationships:

The combined potency of Ignis, Aqua, and Terra is equal to the potency of Aer plus Lux, plus a constant of two.

If you sum the potencies of Aqua and Umbra, it precisely equals the sum of Lux and Aether, minus one.

The sum of Terra and Aer potencies is the same as the sum of Ignis, Aqua, and Aether potencies, minus one.

Three times the potency of Ignis, plus the potency of Aer, is equal to the sum of Aqua, Terra, and Aether potencies, plus five.

The difference between Lux and Ignis potencies is identical to the difference between Umbra and Aqua potencies.

The sum of Umbra and Aether potencies, when decreased by the potency of Terra, results in twice the potency of Aqua.

The potency of Ignis added to Lux, minus the potency of Aer, is equivalent to the potency of Aether minus Umbra, plus one.

The Grand Challenge:

Using only the information from the cryptic scrolls, set up and solve the system of seven linear equations to determine the unique positive integer potency value for each of the seven elements: I,A,T,R,L,U,E.

good luck, and whoever finds the potencies first, gets a title of The SYSTEMS OF EQUATIONS MASTER

p.s. Yes, I did just come up with a whole story of words to make a ridiculously long problem, but hey, you're reading this, so you probably have nothing better to be doing. ;)
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TigerSenju
May 18, 2025
maxamc
an hour ago
Warning!
VivaanKam   40
N 2 hours ago by ayeshaaq
This problem will try to trick you! :!:

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VivaanKam
May 5, 2025
ayeshaaq
2 hours ago
MathDash help
Spacepandamath13   8
N 5 hours ago by Yiyj
AkshajK ORZ by the way invited me to do MathDash a few months ago and I did try it one day but haven't done it much after (Sorry). Now, I'm getting back into it and finding the format kind of weird. When selecting certain problem type sometimes it lets me pick immediately, other times not. Any fixes?
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May 29, 2025
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MIT PRIMES STEP
pingpongmerrily   5
N Today at 4:56 PM by pingpongmerrily
Anyone else applying? How cooked am I for the placement test... (106.5 AMC 10, 5 AIME, 36/27 States/Nationals)
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Combi counting
Caasi_Gnow   4
N Today at 3:49 PM by Rabbit47
Find the number of different ways to arrange seven people around a circular meeting table if A and B must sit together and C and D cannot sit next to each other. (Note: the order for A and B might be A,B or B,A)
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Math with Connect4 Boards
Math-lover1   12
N Today at 2:47 PM by Math-lover1
Hi! So I was playing Connect4 with my friends the other day and I wondered: how many "legal" arrangements of Connect4 can be reached at the ending position?

We assume that we do not stop the game when there is a four in a row, and we have 21 red pieces and 21 yellow pieces. We also drop the pieces one by one into a standard 7 by 6 board. We can start the game with any color piece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect_Four

Initial Thoughts
Attempt to use one-to-one correspondences
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Math-lover1
May 1, 2025
Math-lover1
Today at 2:47 PM
Challenge: Make every number to 100 using 4 fours
CJB19   272
N Today at 2:42 PM by bbojy
I've seen this attempted a lot but I want to see if the AoPS community can actually do it. Using ONLY 4 fours and math operations, make as many numbers as you can. Try to go in order. I'll start:
$$(4-4)*4*4=0$$$$4-4+4/4=1$$$$4/4+4/4=2$$$$(4+4+4)/4=3$$$$4+(4-4)*4=4$$$$4+4^{4-4}=5$$$$4!/4+4-4=6$$$$4+4-4/4=7$$$$4+4+4-4=8$$
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CJB19
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Today at 2:42 PM
The daily problem!
Leeoz   216
N Today at 1:42 PM by kjhgyuio
Every day, I will try to post a new problem for you all to solve! If you want to post a daily problem, you can! :)

Please hide solutions and answers, hints are fine though! :)

Problems usually get harder throughout the week, so Sunday is the easiest and Saturday is the hardest!

Past Problems!
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Leeoz
Mar 21, 2025
kjhgyuio
Today at 1:42 PM
Geometry question !
kjhgyuio   1
N Today at 11:13 AM by whwlqkd
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kjhgyuio
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whwlqkd
Today at 11:13 AM
Easy Number Theory
math_comb01   39
N Today at 10:42 AM by Adywastaken
Source: INMO 2024/3
Let $p$ be an odd prime and $a,b,c$ be integers so that the integers $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$are divisible by $p$.
Prove that $p$ divides each of $a,b,c$.
$\quad$
Proposed by Navilarekallu Tejaswi
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math_comb01
Jan 21, 2024
Adywastaken
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Easy Number Theory
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Y by GeoKing, Rounak_iitr, polynomialian
Let $p$ be an odd prime and $a,b,c$ be integers so that the integers $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$are divisible by $p$.
Prove that $p$ divides each of $a,b,c$.
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Proposed by Navilarekallu Tejaswi
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If $p$ divides one of them, it divides all of them. Assume that it divides none of them. Then, there exists an inverse for all of them in modulo $p$ and then it's some algmanip to get $b \equiv c \pmod{p}$ a contradiction
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mannshah1211 wrote:
If $p$ divides one of them, it divides all of them. Assume that it divides none of them. Then, there exists an inverse for all of them in modulo $p$ and then it's some algmanip to get $b \equiv c \pmod{p}$ a contradiction

Did it the same for the first part but used sum of cubes to arrive at the result (more lengthy)
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isn't that this question toooo easy for INMO p3
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LuciferMichelson wrote:
isn't that this question toooo easy for INMO p3

On what sample set are you basing your opinion on difficulty?
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If $p$ divides one of them, it divides all of them. Assume that it divides none of them. Then just do some things to get $b \equiv c \pmod{p}$.
Which gives a contradiction
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math_comb01 wrote:
Let $p$ be an odd prime and $a,b,c$ be integers so that the integers $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$.
Prove that $p$ divides each of $a,b,c$.
Clearly if $p$ divides any of $a,b,c$ we are done, so from now onwards we assume none of them are divisible by $p$.Define $x,y$ such that
$x = \dfrac{a}{b} \mod p \Longleftrightarrow x^{2023}\equiv -1\mod p$ and $y = \dfrac{b}{c}\mod p \Longleftrightarrow y^{2024}\equiv -1\mod p$.Then notice
\[\dfrac{1}{xy} = \dfrac{c}{a}\mod p\Longleftrightarrow (x\cdot y)^{2025}\equiv -1\mod p\]Claim : $y\equiv 1\mod p$ that is $b\equiv c \mod p$
Based on previous equations $$-1 = (x\cdot y)^{2023\cdot 2025} = x^{2023\cdot 2025}\cdot y^{2023\cdot 2025} = -y^{2024^2-1}=-y^{-1}\mod p\Longleftrightarrow y\equiv 1\mod p $$
Now plugging back in the original equation we get $1=y^{2024}=-1\mod p\implies p\mid 2$ a contradiction to the fact that $p$ was an odd-prime.$\blacksquare$
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Yeah basically belows solution I got.
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Firstly note that if even one of them is divisible by $p$, all of them are. So assume on the contrary that none of them are divisible by $p$. So assume none of them are.

Then we get that,
\begin{align*}
    \left(\dfrac{a}{b}\right)^{2023} &\equiv -1 \pmod{p}\\
    \left(\dfrac{b}{c}\right)^{2024} &\equiv -1 \pmod{p}\\
    \left(\dfrac{c}{a}\right)^{2025} &\equiv -1 \pmod{p}
.\end{align*}
We multiply all three of them to get $a^2 \equiv -bc \pmod{p}$.

Now note that we have $a^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p}$ and $a^{2025} \equiv -c^{2025} \pmod{p}$. Multiplying these, we get,
\[ a^{2023 + 2025} \equiv b^{2023}c^{2025} \implies (a^2)^{2024} \equiv c^2 \cdot (bc)^{2023} \implies bc \cdot (bc)^{2023} \equiv c^2 \cdot (bc)^{2023} \implies b \equiv c \pmod{p}. \]
But then,
\[ p\mid b^{2024} + c^{2024} \equiv 2b^{2024} \implies p \mid 2 \]which is a contradiction and we are done. :yoda:
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Solved with Anchovy.

I assume the problem means that $p$ divides all of $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$
If $p$ divides one of $a,b,c$, clearly $p$ divides all of $a,b,c$, so assume $p$ divides none of them.

Let $x = \frac ab, y = \frac bc, z = \frac ca$. The condition $x^{2023} \equiv -1\pmod p, y^{2024} \equiv 1\pmod p, z^{2025} \equiv -1\pmod p$ and we also have $xyz = 1$, so multiplying the three equations gives $(xyz)^{2023} \cdot y z^2 \equiv 1\pmod p$, so $yz^2 \equiv 1\pmod p$. This implies that $y\equiv -\frac{1}{z^2}$, so $(-1/z^2)^{2024} \equiv 1$, so $z^{4048} \equiv 1$. But $(z^{2025})^2 = z^{4050}\equiv 1$, so dividing the two gives $z^2 \equiv 1$, so $z\in \{-1,1\}$ mod p. Since $z^{2025} \equiv -1$, we have $z\equiv -1$. But then since $yz^2 \equiv 1$, $y\equiv 1\pmod p$, so $b\equiv c \pmod p$. Now, this means that $2b^{2024}$ is a multiple of $p$, contradiction since $p$ doesn't divide $b$ and $p > 2$.
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Nah bro, I ain't even gonna comment on this one.

Solution: Observe that $p$ divides either of $a,b,c$, then it divides everything and we're done. Henceforth, assume that $p \nmid a,b,c$. We will now work modulo $p$ with special powers of existence of inverses of $a,b,c$.

From $p \mid a^{2023}+b^{2023}$, we get that $b^{2024} \equiv -a^{2023}b \pmod{p}$. Swing this into $p \mid b^{2024}+c^{2024}$ to get $c^{2025} \equiv a^{2023}bc \pmod{p}$. At last, putting this into $p \mid a^{2025} + c^{2025}$, we get
\[a^{2025} + a^{2023}bc \equiv 0 \iff a^2 + bc \equiv 0 \pmod{p}.\]From here, we wish to eliminate $b$ completely modulo $p$. This can be achieved via substituting $b \equiv -a^2/c$. Putting this in $p \mid a^{2023}+b^{2023}$ we get
\[a^{2023} - \frac{a^{4046}}{c^{2023}} \equiv 0 \iff a^{2023} \equiv c^{2023} \pmod{p}.\]This yields
\[a^{2025} \equiv a^2c^{2023} \equiv -c^{2025} \pmod{p} \implies a^2 + c^2 \equiv 0 \pmod{p}.\]Finally, on combining this with $a^2 \equiv -bc$, we get
\[p \mid c(c-b) \iff c \equiv b \pmod{p}\]since $\gcd(c,p) = \gcd(b,p) = 1$. Upon putting $c \equiv b$ in say $p \mid b^{2024}+c^{2024}$, we get immediately get $2b \equiv 0 \pmod{p}$ which is a contradiction since $p$ is odd and we're done. $\blacksquare$
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Samujjal101 wrote:
Just see that if gcd(a,b)=1 then the given conditions are not possible. So, a|b which means b=ak for all integers k. Now p divides (a^2023 + k^2023.a^2023) so p either divides a^2023 or (1+ k^2023) => p divides a^2023 =>p divides a

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If $p$ divides any one of them, it divides the other two as well.

Assume for the sake of contradiction that $p$ doesn't divide any of the three. Since $p$ is an odd prime, it has a primitive root, say $g$.
Let $a=g^x,b=g^y,c=g^z$.

Claim. $g^m+g^n=0(p)\implies m-n=k(2k)$ where $p=2k+1$.
Proof. $g^{m-n}=-1(p)\implies m-n=k(2k)\implies m-n=2kq+k=k(2q+1)$.
Using the claim and given information,
$$0=(x-y)+(y-z)+(z-x)=\frac{k(2q_1+1)}{2023}+\frac{k(2q_2+1)}{2024}+\frac{k(2q_3+1)}{2025}$$Cancelling $k$ and the denominator and taking mod 2 leads to a contradiction. Done!
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math_comb01 wrote:
Let $p$ be an odd prime and $a,b,c$ be integers so that the integers $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$.
This sentence seems to be missing something. Are all three integers divisible by $p$?
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djmathman wrote:
math_comb01 wrote:
Let $p$ be an odd prime and $a,b,c$ be integers so that the integers $$a^{2023}+b^{2023},\quad b^{2024}+c^{2024},\quad a^{2025}+c^{2025}$$.
This sentence seems to be missing something. Are all three integers divisible by $p$?

Yes. It's supposed to say that all three are divisible by $p$, but I suppose a lot of us got tunnel vision and didn't see the error because we already saw it in the test lol :rotfl:
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First see that if $p|a$ or $p|b$ or $p|c$ then $p$ divides all of them.

Now suppose that $p{\not|}a$ $p{\not|}b$ $p{\not|}c$.
Then the desired contradiction will come from the fact that $p$ is odd prime, i.e we would prove $p=2$.

Since $p{\not|}a$ $p{\not|}b$ $p{\not|}c$ we could take inverses.
Reducing everything $(\textrm{mod}\ p)$ we get
$$(ab^{-1})^{2023}\equiv-1 ({mod}\,p) \cdots(1)$$$$(bc^{-1})^{2024}\equiv-1 ({mod}\,p)\cdots(2) $$$$(ca^{-1})^{2025}\equiv-1 ({mod}\,p)\cdots(3) $$Multiplying equations $1$, $2$ and $3$ we get
$$a^{-2}bc\equiv-1 ({mod}\,p)\cdots(4)$$.
$$\Rightarrow (ab^{-1})^{-1}ca^{-1}\equiv-1 ({mod}\,p) \cdots(5)$$i.e
$$\Rightarrow ca^{-1}\equiv-(ab^{-1}) ({mod}\,p) \cdots(6)$$Now from $3$ we get
$$(ab^{-1})^{2025}\equiv1 ({mod}\,p) \cdots(7)$$and from 1 we get
$$(ab^{-1})^{4046}\equiv1 ({mod}\,p) \cdots(8)$$Let the order of $ab^{-1}$ mod $p$ be k.
Thus $k|gcd(4046,2025)$ i.e $k|1$.
Therefore we have
$$ab^{-1}\equiv1 ({mod}\,p)$$or
$$a\equiv b ({mod}\,p)$$Putting this information in equation $1$ we get
$$1\equiv -1 ({mod}\,p)$$or $p=2$
which is a contradiction.
$\blacksquare$ :-D
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Well, I'll post my solution just for the sake of it, I guess.

If $p$ divides one of $a, b, c,$ then it divides all of them, so henceforth assume it doesn't divide any of them. Thus, there exists a valid inverse in modulo $p$ for each of $a, b, c.$ Then, we have $\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{2023} \equiv -1 \pmod{p}, \left(\frac{b}{c}\right)^{2024} \equiv -1\pmod{p}, \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{2025}\equiv -1\pmod{p},$ and thus, multiplying all of them together, we have $bc \equiv -a^2 \pmod{p}.$ Thus, $b^{1012}c^{1012} \equiv a^{2024} \pmod{p},$ which gives $ab^{1012}c^{1012} + c^{2025} \equiv 0 \pmod{p} \implies ab^{1012} \equiv -c^{1013} \pmod{p}.$ Thus, $a \equiv \frac{-c^{1013}}{b^{1012}} \pmod{p},$ which by putting in the first equation gives $\frac{b^{1013 \cdot 2023} - c^{1013 \cdot 2023}}{b^{1012 \cdot 2023}} \equiv 0 \pmod{p} \implies b^{1013 \cdot 2023} - c^{1013 \cdot 2023} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}.$ From the second equation, we get $b^{4048} - c^{4048} \equiv 0 \pmod{p},$ so $p \mid b^{\gcd(4048, 1013 \cdot 2023)} - c^{\gcd(4048, 1013 \cdot 2023)} = b - c,$ so $p \mid 2b^{2024},$ a contradiction.
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we work with $a^{r}+b^{r} \equiv 0 \pmod p , b^{r+1}+c^{r+1} \equiv 0 \pmod p , a^{r+2}+c^{r+2} \equiv 0 \pmod p$ for any $r \in \mathbb{Z}^{+}$ and it follows for $r=2023$.

$\mathsf{Claim 1:-}$ If $p$ divides any one of $a,b,c$ then $p|a,b,c$.

$\mathsf{Proof:-}$ W.L.O.G $p|a \implies p|a^{r}$ , now since $a^{r}+b^{r} \equiv 0 \pmod p \implies p|b^{r} \implies p|b$ and also $b^{r+1}+c^{r+1} \equiv 0 \pmod p \implies p|c^{r+1} \implies p|c$. $\square$

From $\mathsf{Claim 1}$ it suffices to disprove the fact that that $p \nmid a, p \nmid b , p\nmid c$ ,so FTSOC we assume that is the case.

$\mathsf{Claim 2:-}$ $p$ does not divide any of $a-b , b-c,c-a$.

$\mathsf{Proof:-}$ FTSOC $p|a-b$ , then $a \equiv b \pmod p \implies a^{r} \equiv b^{r} \pmod p \implies 2a^{r} \equiv 0 \pmod p$, now since $\gcd(p,2)=\gcd(p,a)=1$ , it gives a contradiction. $\rightarrow \leftarrow$.

Now ,
$\bullet a^{r}+b^{r} \equiv 0 \pmod p$

$\bullet b^{r+1}+c^{r+1} \equiv 0 \pmod p$

$\bullet a^{r+2}+c^{r+2} \equiv 0 \pmod p$


so $a^{r} \equiv -b^{r}   \pmod p$ and $a^{r+2} \equiv -c^{r+2} \pmod p \implies a^2c^{r+1} \equiv -bc^{r+2} \pmod p$ and since $\gcd(c,p)=1 \implies a^2 \equiv -bc \pmod p , b^2 \equiv -ca \pmod p , c^2 \equiv -ab \pmod p \qquad (\star)$

now substract the subsequent cogruences to get $a^2-b^2 \equiv c(a-b) \pmod p$ similarly symmetrically other in $b$ and $c$ , but from $\mathsf{Claim 2}$ we have $p \nmid a-b , b-c , c-a$ , which implies $a+b \equiv c \pmod p , b+c \equiv a \pmod p , c+a \equiv b \pmod p \qquad (\dagger)$

Now from $(\star)$ we have $(a+b)^2+(b+c)^2+(c+a)^2 \equiv 0 \pmod p$ and from $(\dagger)$ we get this is equivalent to $a^2+b^2+c^2 \equiv 0 \pmod p \implies ab+bc+ca \equiv 0 \pmod p \implies a+b+c \equiv 0 \pmod p \implies 2a,2b , 2c \equiv 0 \pmod p$ , but this is not possible as $\gcd(2,p)=\gcd(a,p)=\gcd(b,p)=\gcd(c,p)=1$.

Hence we get a contradiction $\rightarrow \leftarrow$.

Hence $p$ must divide $a,b,c$. $\blacksquare$

A cute NT for sure! :blush:
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Isn’t this a one-liner:
For $a^x \equiv -b^x$, raise both sides to power $yz$ to get terms $a^{xyz}, b^{xyz}, c^{xyz} (mod p)$ and done
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Master_of_Aops wrote:
... to get terms $a^{xyz}, b^{xyz}, c^{xyz} (mod p)$ and done
How exactly are you done from here?
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You get $a^{xyz} \equiv b^{xyz}, b^{xyz} \equiv -c^{xyz},  a^{xyz} \equiv c^{xyz}(mod p)$ so all are divisible by $p$
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if p doesnt divide any of them

$(\frac{a}{b})^{2023} \equiv -1(mod p)$

$(\frac{b}{c})^{2024} \equiv -1(mod p)$

$(\frac{a}{c})^{2025} \equiv -1(mod p)$

$x^{2023} \equiv -1(mod p)$
$y^{2024} \equiv -1(mod p)$
$x^{2025}y^{2025} \equiv -1(mod p)$

so $x^2y \equiv -1(mod p)$

so $y \equiv \frac{-1}{x^2} (mod p)$

so $x^{2025} \equiv 1 (mod p)$

also $x^{2*2023} \equiv 1(mod p)$

let $k$ be the order of $x$ mod p so

$k | gcd(2025,2*2023) \implies k|1$

$x \equiv 1(mod p)$

then $1 \equiv -1(mod p)$

not possible as p is odd.

so p divides one of them then the answer is easy to conclude
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We first prove that if $p$ divides any one of $a,b,c$, then it divides all the three numbers. Suppose $p\mid a$. Then, $p\mid a^{2023}$ but $p\mid a^{2023}+b^{2023}$, which means that $p\mid b^{2023}$, forcing $p\mid b$. Also, $p\mid c^{2025}+a^{2025}$ and $p\mid a^{2025},$ which means $p\mid c^{2025}$, forcing $p\mid c$.

Similarly, if $p\mid b$, then $p\mid b^{2023}$ and $p\mid a^{2023}+b^{2023}$, which means $p\mid a^{2023}$, forcing $p\mid a$. Since $p\mid a$, we also have that $p\mid c$ from the earlier proof.

Finally, if $p\mid c$, then $p\mid c^{2024}$ and $p\mid b^{2024}+c^{2024}$, which means $p\mid b^{2024}$, forcing $p\mid b$, which in turn forces $p\mid c$. So, if $p$ divides any one of $a,b,c$, then it divides all the three numbers.

Assume that $p\nmid a,b,c$. For integer $a$ and prime $p$, we define the order of $a\pmod{p}$ to be the smallest positive integer $k$ such that $a^k\equiv1\pmod{p}$.

We prove a Lemma.

$\textbf{Lemma.}$ If $k$ is order of $a$, $\pmod{p}$ and $a^n\equiv1\pmod{p}$, then $k\mid n$.

$\emph{Proof.}$ Suppose it was possible that $k\nmid n$. Note that if $n<k$, then it will contradict the minimality of $k$. So, $n>k$. Hence, there exists $q>0$ and $0<r<k$ such that $n=kq+r$. Now, $a^{k}\equiv1\pmod{p}$, which means $a^{kq}\equiv1\pmod{p}$, so $a^n\equiv a^{kq+r}\equiv a^r\equiv1\pmod{p}$. But since $0<r<k$ and $a^r\equiv1\pmod{p}$, the minimality of $k$ gives us a contradiction. Hence, $k\nmid n$ is impossible, and $r=0$ is forced. The proof is complete. $\blacksquare$

We have the equations \[\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{4046}\equiv1\pmod{p} \ \ \ \ (1)\]\[\left(\frac{b}{c}\right)^{4048}\equiv1\pmod{p} \ \ \ \ (2)\]\[\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{4050}\equiv1\pmod{p} \ \ \ \ (3)\]Multiplying these equations $(1),(2),(3),$ we obtain $a^4\equiv b^2c^2\pmod{p}$. So, $a^2\equiv\pm bc\pmod{p}$.

Note, the equation $(1)$ is $\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{4046}\equiv1\pmod{p}$. So, \[\left(\frac{\left(bc\right)^{2023}}{b^{4046}}\right)\equiv\pm1\pmod{p},\]which gives \[\left(\frac{b}{c}\right)^{4046}\equiv1\pmod{p} \ \ \ \ (4)\]It follows that if $k$ is the order of $\left(\frac{b}{c}\right)$, $\pmod{p}$, then from equation $(1)$, we get $k\mid4048$, and from equation $(4)$, we get $k\mid4046$, using the $\textbf{Lemma}$ in each case.

This forces $k\mid2$, so $k=1,2$. Hence, we have that $\left(\frac{b}{c}\right)^{2}\equiv1\pmod{p}$. So, $b^2\equiv c^2\pmod{p}$.

Taking to the power $1012$, we get $b^{2024}\equiv c^{2024}\pmod{p}$, and since $p\mid b^{2024}+c^{2024}$, we have $p\mid2b^{2024}$, which forces $p\mid b$, as $p$ is an odd prime. However, if $p\mid b$ then $p\mid a$, and $p\mid c$ are forced by our initial arguments.

The proof is complete. $\blacksquare$
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In contest solution:

Observe that if $p$ divides any one of $a, b, c$, then it divides all of them. Assume this to not be the case. Then we get the system of congruences $$a^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p} \cdots(A)$$$$b^{2024} \equiv -c^{2024}  \pmod{p} \cdots(B)$$$$c^{2025} \equiv -a^{2025}  \pmod{p} \cdots(C)$$Multiplying $(A)$ and $(B)$, $$b \equiv c\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{2023}  \pmod{p}$$$$\implies b^{2025} \equiv c^{2025}\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{2023 \cdot 2025} \pmod{p}$$but from $(C)$, $$\left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{2025} \equiv -1 \pmod{p}$$Substituting in, $$b^{2025} \equiv c^{2025}(-1)^{2023} \equiv -c^{2025} \pmod{p}$$Dividing $(B)$ from this new equation, $$b \equiv c \pmod{p}$$Therefore $$b^{2024} \equiv -b^{2024} \pmod{p}$$$$\implies 2b^{2024} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}$$$$\implies b^{2024} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}$$$$\implies p \mid b, $$a contradiction. $\square$
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We are given,
\begin{align*}
a^{2023} + b^{2023} \equiv b^{2024} + c^{2024} \equiv c^{2025} + a^{2025} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}
\end{align*}Now assume that $a, b, c \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p}$ as if one of the three is $0$ modulo $p$, all of them must be. Then we find that,
\begin{align*}
a^{2023}b \equiv c^{2024} \pmod{p}
\end{align*}However then from this we may conclude that,
\begin{align*}
a^{2023}bc \equiv -a^{2025} \pmod{p}
\end{align*}Dividing as $a \not\equiv 0$ modulo $p$, we find that,
\begin{align*}
-bc \equiv a^2 \pmod{p}
\end{align*}Now rewriting our conditions we have,
\begin{align*}
b^{1012} &\equiv c^{1011}a \pmod{p}\\
b^{2024} &\equiv -c^{2024} \pmod{p}\\
c^{1013} &\equiv -b^{1012}a \pmod{p}
\end{align*}Squaring the first equation we have,
\begin{align*}
b^{2024} &\equiv c^{2022}a^2 \pmod{p}\\
-c^{2024} &\equiv c^{2022}a^2 \pmod{p}\\
-c^2 &\equiv a^2 \pmod{p}\\
-c^2 &\equiv -bc \pmod{p}\\
b &\equiv c \pmod{p}
\end{align*}From the first equation we then find $a \equiv b \bmod p$. Thus we have,
\begin{align*}
a \equiv b \equiv c \pmod{p}
\end{align*}Thus we have from the original equations,
\begin{align*}
2a^{2023} \equiv 2a^{2024} \equiv 2a^{2025} \equiv 0 \pmod{p}
\end{align*}from which we easily see $a \equiv 0 \bmod{p}$ and hence are done.
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The solution I originally did in the contest:
First, FTSOC, we assume that $p \nmid a$, $p \nmid b$, $p \nmid c$.
$$p \mid a^{2023}+b^{2023}...(i)$$$$p \mid b^{2024}+c^{2024}...(ii)$$$$p \mid a^{2025}+c^{2025}...(iii)$$From $(i)$, we get that: $p \mid a^{2025}+a^2b^{2023}$
Combining this with $(iii)$, $p \mid a^2b^{2023}-c^{2025}$

As $c^{2024} \equiv -b^{2024}$, $p \mid a^2b^{2023}+b^{2024}c \implies p \mid b^{2023}(a^2+bc)$
$\implies \boxed{p \mid a^2+bc}...(A)$
$\implies a^2 \equiv -bc \pmod{p}$

From $(iii)$, we have: $p \mid a^{2025}+c^{2025} \implies p \mid a.(bc)^{1012}+c^{2025}$
$\implies p \mid c^{1012}(ab^{1012}+c^{1013})$
$\implies p \mid a^2b^{2024}-c^{2026}$
Combining with $(ii)$, we get: $p \mid a^2b^{2024}+b^{2024}c^2 \implies p \mid b^{2024}(a^2+c^2)$
$\implies \boxed{p \mid a^2+c^2}...(B)$

Therefore, from $(A)$ and $(B)$, we have: $p \mid c(b-c) \implies b \equiv c \pmod{p}$
But then, in $(ii)$, $p\mid 2b^{2024} \implies p \mid 2$, which is a contradiction!

Then, $p$ must divide one of $a,b,c$. If $p$ divides any one of the numbers, $p$ must divide all the numbers individually, and we're done! :wow:
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$$a^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p} $$$$b^{2024} \equiv -c^{2024} \pmod{p} $$$$c^{2025} \equiv -a^{2025} \pmod{p} $$
Let $n$=2023×2024×2025
$$\implies a^{n} \equiv b^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies b^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies a^{n} \equiv c^{n} \pmod{p} $$And from this we get
$$c^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$and we are done
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shafikbara48593762 wrote:
$$a^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p} $$$$b^{2024} \equiv -c^{2024} \pmod{p} $$$$c^{2025} \equiv -a^{2025} \pmod{p} $$
Let $n$=2023×2024×2025
$$\implies a^{n} \equiv b^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies b^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies a^{n} \equiv c^{n} \pmod{p} $$And from this we get
$$c^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$and we are done

what a solution!!!
I was surprised by how organized and simple this solution was, it is a MASTERPIECE!
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E.Sultan wrote:
shafikbara48593762 wrote:
$$a^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p} $$$$b^{2024} \equiv -c^{2024} \pmod{p} $$$$c^{2025} \equiv -a^{2025} \pmod{p} $$
Let $n$=2023×2024×2025
$$\implies a^{n} \equiv b^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies b^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$$$\implies a^{n} \equiv c^{n} \pmod{p} $$And from this we get
$$c^{n} \equiv -c^{n} \pmod{p} $$and we are done

what a solution!!!
I was surprised by how organized and simple this solution was, it is a MASTERPIECE!

Thx bro
Such an easy problem for INMO P3
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Note that if $p\mid a$, then
\[a^{2023}+b^{2023}\equiv 0 \mod p,\]\[\iff b^{2023} \equiv 0 \mod p,\]\[\iff p\mid b,\]and similarly we can find that $p\mid c$. In general, using a similar proof, it can be shown that if $p\mid abc$, then $p$ divides each of $a$, $b$, and $c$. FTSOC, assume that $p$ divides none of $a$, $b$, or $c$.

Now, notice that
\[a^{2023}+b^{2023}\equiv 0 \mod p,\]\[\iff a^{2023}\equiv -b^{2023} \mod p,\]\[\iff \left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{2023}\equiv -1 \mod p,\]\[\iff ord_p\left(\frac{a}{b}\right) \mid 4046 \text{ and } 2\mid ord_p\left(\frac{a}{b}\right),\]since we had that $\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{2023}\equiv -1 \mod p$. Similarly, from the second equation, we get that
\[ord_p\left(\frac{b}{c}\right) \mid 4048 \text{ and } 16\mid ord_p\left(\frac{b}{c}\right).\]
Now, since $p$ is prime, it is well-known that it must have a primitive root. Let said primitive root be $g$ and define $m$ and $n$ to be the unique integers such that $\frac{a}{b}\equiv g^m\mod p$ and $\frac{b}{c}\equiv g^n\mod p$, where $1\leq m,n\leq p-1$. Now, notice that if
\[2\mid ord_p\left(\frac{a}{b}\right) \text{ and } ord_p\left(\frac{a}{b}\right) \mid 4046,\]we get that
\[\nu_2\left(ord_p\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)\right)=1,\]which in turn gives that
\[\nu_2(m)=\nu_2(p-1)-1,\]since the order of $g$ mod $p$ is $p-1$. Similarly, if
\[16\mid ord_p\left(\frac{b}{c}\right) \text{ and } ord_p\left(\frac{b}{c}\right) \mid 4048,\]then we have that
\[\nu_2(n)=\nu_2(p-1)-4.\]
Now, notice that
\[\frac{a}{c}\equiv \left(\frac{a}{b}\right)\left(\frac{b}{c}\right)\equiv g^{m+n} \mod p,\]which means that
\[\nu_2\left(ord_p\left(\frac{a}{c}\right)\right)=\nu_2(p-1)-\nu_2(m+n).\]However, since
\[\nu_2(p-1)-1=\nu_2(m)>\nu_2(n)=\nu_2(p-1)-4,\]we get that
\[\nu_2(m+n)=\nu_2(p-1)-4,\]which gives that
\[\nu_2\left(ord_p\left(\frac{a}{c}\right)\right)=\nu_2(p-1)-(\nu_2(p-1)-4)=4.\]
However, we had that
\[c^{2025}+a^{2025}\equiv 0 \mod p,\]\[\iff a^{2025}\equiv -c^{2025} \mod p,\]\[\iff \left(\frac{a}{c}\right)^{2025}\equiv -1 \mod p,\]\[\iff ord_p\left(\frac{a}{c}\right) \mid 4050,\]a contradiction, since $16$ does not divide $4050$. Therefore $p$ must divide each of $a$, $b$, and $c$, as desired, finishing the problem.
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If \( p \) divides one of \( a, b, c \), WLOG \( a \), we have \( p \mid b^{2023} \implies p \mid b \), \( p \mid c^{2025} \implies p \mid c \), so then \( p \) divides all of them.

Assume, for the sake of contradiction, \( p \nmid a, b, c \). We have the following modular congruences:
\[ \left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{4046} \equiv 1 \pmod{p} \]\[ \left(\frac{b}{c}\right)^{4048} \equiv 1 \pmod{p} \]\[ \left(\frac{c}{a}\right)^{4050} \equiv 1 \pmod{p} \]Firstly, observe that \( p \mid a^{2023} + b^{2023} \implies p \mid a^{2025} + a^2b^{2023} \). Since \( p \mid a^{2025} + c^{2025} \), we have \( p \mid c^{2025} - a^2b^{2023} \). Further, \( p \mid b^{2024} + c^{2024} \implies p \mid c^{2025} + b^{2024}c \). From this, we conclude that:
\[ p \mid b^{2024}c + a^2b^{2023} = b^{2023}(bc + a^2) \implies a^2 \equiv -bc \pmod{p} \]since \( p \nmid b^{2023} \).

We have \( a^{4046} \equiv -(bc)^{2023} \), which, replacing in our first congruence, gives \( c^{2023} \equiv -b^{2023} \pmod{p} \implies c^{4046} \equiv b^{4046} \pmod{p} \). Replacing this in our second congruence, we have
\[ \frac{b^{4046}}{c^{4046}} \cdot \frac{b^2}{c^2} \equiv 1 \pmod{p} \implies b^2 \equiv c^2 \pmod{p} \implies b^{2024} \equiv c^{2024} \pmod{p} \]Therefore, \( b^{2024} + c^{2024} \equiv 2b^{2024} \equiv 0 \pmod{p} \). Since \( p \) is odd, we have \( p \mid b^{2024} \implies p \mid b \), which gives \( p \mid a, c \) as well, so we are done.

Edit: I would like to see a solution that doesn't use the even parity of 2024.
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Raise everything to the power of 2023x2024x2025 mod p, then p divides a^2023x2024x2025 + or - c^2023x2024x2025 which gives p | a and the rest follows
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I have discussed this question in my INMO 2024 video on my channel "little fermat". Here is the Video
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Showing that any one of $a,b,c$ is divisible by $p$ would suffice. Assume all of them are invertible on $\mathbb{Z}_p$. As $b^{2024}\equiv -ba^{2023}$ we may say,
$$c^{2024}+b^{2024}\equiv c^{2024}-ba^{2023}\quad\text{and}\quad c^{2025}\equiv cba^{2023}.$$We then have $bca^{2023}+a^{2025}\equiv 0$. Since $a$ is invertible we are left with the key result,
$$a^2\equiv -bc.$$Using the above fact, $a(-bc)^{1012}\equiv-c^{2025}$ which deduces to $ab^{1012}\equiv -c^{1013}$ and as $a^{2025}\equiv cb^{2024}$ we can easily show that $b^{1012}\equiv ac^{1011}$. Now we are left with,
$$ab^{1012}\equiv a^2c^{1011}\equiv -c^{1013}\quad\implies\quad a^2\equiv -c^2.$$But we had already seen $a^2\equiv -bc$ and is absurd, contradicting our assumption, hence none of them are invertible as desired.$\square$
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If any of the $a,b,c$ is divisible by $p$, them all of them are .
FOTSOC, assume that $p\nmid a, b, c$.
$a^{2023}\equiv -b^{2023}\pmod{p} $, $c^{2024}\equiv -b^{2024} \pmod{p} $ and $c^{2025}\equiv -a^{2025}\pmod{p} $
then, $c^{2025}\equiv c\cdot -b^{2024}\equiv -a^{2025}\equiv a^2\cdot b^{2023} \implies b^{2023}(c+ab)\equiv 0\pmod{p} $
$p\nmid b$. so $ab+c \equiv 0\pmod{p} $, $ab\equiv -c\pmod{p}  \rightarrow a^{2023}\cdot b^{2023}\equiv-c^{2023}\pmod{p} \implies (b^2)^{2023}\equiv c^{2023}\pmod{p} \implies b^2 \equiv c\pmod{p} $. Also $ab+c \equiv 0(modp)\implies ab+b^2 \equiv 0\pmod{p} \equiv b(a+b) (modp) $. so, $a\equiv -b\pmod{p} $
$a^{2025}+c^{2025} \equiv -b^{2025}+(b^2)^{2025}\equiv b^{2025}(-1+b^{2025})\equiv 0(modp) \implies b\equiv 1\pmod{p} $
then $b^{2024}+c^{2024}\equiv 0\pmod{p}  \implies b^{2024}+(b^2)^{2024}\equiv 2\equiv 0\pmod{p} $, Contradiction!!
So, $p$ divides and one of them which leads to $p$ divides of them i.e $p\mid a,b,c$.
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the second inmo problem that I solved
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Clearly if $p\mid a$, then $p\mid b,c$.
Let $k=2023\cdot 2024\cdot 2025$.
$a^k\equiv b^k \pmod p\dots (1)$
$b^k\equiv -c^k \pmod p\dots (2)$
$c^k\equiv a^k \pmod p\dots (3)$
$(2)-(3)\implies a^k+b^k\equiv a^k-b^k\equiv 0\pmod p$
So, $p\mid a$.
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