MOP Qualification

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blippy1998

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#1 h Apr 19, 2015, 9:39 PM • 1 Y

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What are the different channels for MOP/IMO qualification? I've read the Wikipedia article, but I've also read things that disagree with it. Can someone provide authoritative information? Also, can seniors not qualify for MOP/IMO if they didn't go to MOP after junior year?

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#2 h Apr 19, 2015, 10:14 PM • 29 Y

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I'm pretty sure I've posted this before but I can't find a link

. Note that the distinction between Red and Green MOP keeps changing so I'll stick to last year's system.

Black MOP: To qualify, you must have made MOP and then the TST group in the previous year, and then you must have done well enough on the TST to be a member (or alternate for) the USA IMO Team. Alternatively, it seems that USAMO winners who are part of the announced Canada IMO team also make Black MOP.

Blue MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 15 or so non-seniors in terms of USAMO score, among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Green MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 6 or so non-upperclassmen in terms of USAMO score or top 6 or so in terms of USAJMO score, among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Red MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 6 or so non-upperclassmen in terms of USAMO score or top 6 or so in terms of USAJMO score.(JMO winner), among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Wikipedia is EXTREMELY outdated when it comes to MOP qualification rules.

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Eugenis

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#3 h Apr 19, 2015, 10:16 PM • 2 Y

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So has it changed between years? A certain Z.B. in 2006 never qualified for TST group before yet made IMO.

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Wolstenholme

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#4 h Apr 19, 2015, 10:24 PM • 1 Y

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It has changed DRAMATICALLY since 2006.

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jh235

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#5 h Apr 19, 2015, 10:29 PM • 2 Y

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isn't there a pink mop or something?

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Eugenis

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#6 h Apr 19, 2015, 10:32 PM • 2 Y

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That is not for IMO, but yes, that is for girls.

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Dominater76

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#7 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:21 PM • 2 Y

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What is TST? Is that some other USAMO type test?

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BobaFett101

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#8 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:27 PM • 2 Y

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Whoops, this information is incorrect. See hwl034's below post.

TST stands for Team Selection Test, and is held during MOP to select the USA IMO team.

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mathtastic

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#9 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:28 PM • 2 Y

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BobaFett101 wrote:

TST stands for Team Selection Test, and is held during MOP to select the USA IMO team.

Have you been to MOP? How do you know this?

(only asking because I'm pretty sure that's wrong, but you may be right, I thought TSTs were year round)

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hwl0304

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#10 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:32 PM • 2 Y

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This information is wrong. BobaFett101 talks about the TSTST, which is used to select the people who take TST. There are 4 TST's iirc, the last being the USAMO. Source: a past MOPper

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MathStudent2002

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#11 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:38 PM • 2 Y

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hwl0304 wrote:

This information is wrong. BobaFett101 talks about the TSTST, which is used to select the people who take TST. There are 4 TST's iirc, the last being the USAMO. Source: a past MOPper

I'm pretty sure there are 5 TST's: December TST, January TST, RMM, APMO, USAMO

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C-bass

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#12 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:45 PM • 2 Y

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Wolstenholme wrote:

I'm pretty sure I've posted this before but I can't find a link

. Note that the distinction between Red and Green MOP keep changing so I'll stick to last year's system.

Black MOP: To qualify, you must have made MOP and then the TST group in the previous year, and then you must have done well enough on the TST to be a member (or alternate for) the USA IMO Team. Alternatively, it seems that USAMO winners who are part of the announced Canada IMO team also make Black MOP.

Blue MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 15 or so non-seniors in terms of USAMO score, among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Green MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 6 or so non-upperclassmen in terms of USAMO score or top 6 or so in terms of USAJMO score, among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Red MOP: To qualify, you must be among the top 6 or so non-upperclassmen in terms of USAMO score or top 6 or so in terms of USAJMO score.(JMO winner), among those that didn't qualify for a higher MOP.

Wikipedia is EXTREMELY outdated when it comes to MOP qualification rules.

what's an upperclassmen?

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spartan168

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#13 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:46 PM • 2 Y

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11-12 grade is upperclassmen

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C-bass

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#14 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:47 PM • 2 Y

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spartan168 wrote:

11-12 grade is upperclassmen

wow so to make red or green, I have to take the USAMO in my sophomore year AND do well...

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pi37

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#15 h Apr 19, 2015, 11:47 PM • 3 Y

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TSTST: A test taken during by all MOPpers during MOP. The top 20 or so qualify to be part of the TST group. The TST group takes TST tests throughout the year.
TST: A series of tests the TST group takes throughout the subsequent year. The actual tests that constitute the TSTs keep changing; most recently, the TSTs were December TST, January TST, the first day of RMM, and both days of USAMO.

You can make red/green by taking USAJMO as well.

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DrMath

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#87 h May 1, 2015, 8:17 PM • 2 Y

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No, they made it.

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jasonhu4

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#88 h May 1, 2015, 8:28 PM • 2 Y

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Like they actually went to the camp?

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mathwizard888

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#89 h May 1, 2015, 8:29 PM • 2 Y

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I don't think Evan Chen got to go to the camp (correct me if I'm wrong).

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DrMath

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#90 h May 1, 2015, 8:29 PM • 2 Y

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I know for certain Michael Kural went to camp, talked to him myself.

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jasonhu4

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#91 h May 1, 2015, 8:37 PM • 2 Y

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Well, just because someone made it doesn't meant they went. Like they could have got the required score, but decided not to go or couldn't go.

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stephcurry

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#92 h May 1, 2015, 8:56 PM • 1 Y

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Yes, I can verify that Michael Ma went to MOP last year as an 8th grader

As for age, something $\le12$ I think

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linpaws

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#93 h May 1, 2015, 9:18 PM • 2 Y

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Middle schoolers only make MOP if they are well above the Blue MOP cutoff on USAMO (for example, two certain middle schoolers last year were above the Green and Blue MOP cutoffs respectively and didn't make it, but Michael Ma, who was more above the Blue MOP cutoff, made it).
Edit: apparently the "middle school" cutoff changes each year and is completely up to the discretion of MAA, but it is usually around or greater than the Blue MOP cutoff

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fermat007

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#94 h May 2, 2015, 3:29 PM • 3 Y

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pi37 wrote:

TSTST: A test taken during by all MOPpers during MOP. The top 20 or so qualify to be part of the TST group. The TST group takes TST tests throughout the year.
TST: A series of tests the TST group takes throughout the subsequent year. The actual tests that constitute the TSTs keep changing; most recently, the TSTs were December TST, January TST, the first day of RMM, and both days of USAMO.

You can make red/green by taking USAJMO as well.

You forgot the most important one: T, the IMO Team. So it goes TSTST --> TST --> T.

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Christina26

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#99 h Sep 10, 2016, 11:12 PM • 2 Y

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how do u qualify for the mop summer camp? if u have no chance/interest in making imo?
can a 8th grader go to mop? and what is pink mop?

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stephcurry

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#100 h Sep 10, 2016, 11:21 PM • 2 Y

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why did you revive this 4 month old post

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Generic_Username

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#101 h Sep 10, 2016, 11:23 PM • 2 Y

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stephcurry wrote:

why did you revive this 4 month old post

Especially when there's another thread with the exact same name

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fishy15

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#102 h Sep 10, 2016, 11:24 PM • 2 Y

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1. You do good on AMO/ win JMO
2. I guess you can say no . . .
3. They don't usually accept middle schoolers.
4. Pink MOP is for EGMO I think

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#103 h Sep 11, 2016, 12:07 AM • 2 Y

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was i not suppose to revive this/???

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v_Enhance

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#104 h Sep 11, 2016, 2:13 PM • 3 Y

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Christina26 wrote:

how do u qualify for the mop summer camp? if u have no chance/interest in making imo?
can a 8th grader go to mop? and what is pink mop?

From http://www.mit.edu/~evanchen/FAQs/rules.html :

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What are the criteria for invitation to MOP?

Before I say anything I want to say that the criteria for MOP invitations are not especially well-defined. Each year, the exact number and choice of students is determined based on the exact scores for that year.

That being said, as of 2016 the criteria for MOP is roughly as follows:

IMO team members and alternates ("black" group)
The next approximately 12 non-graduating USAMO students ("blue" group).
The next approximately 12 USAMO students in 9th and 10th grades ("green" or "red")
The top approximately 12 students on USAJMO ("red" group)
Some varying number of non-graduating female contestants from either USAMO or USAJMO (these students represent USA at the European Girls' Math Olympiad). The exact cutoffs for each contest are determined based on the scores for that year.

Young students in 8th grades and below are invited to MOP if and only if the moon is full and the wind is blowing south-south-east. All selection is done by ID number, without student names.

The "color groups" are a convenient shorthand and not worth worrying about.

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tworigami

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#106 h May 6, 2017, 3:14 AM • 1 Y

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I wouldn't worry about the colors of the groups in MOP. Anyone who scores highly on the USA(J)MO has a chance at eventually or immediately IMO. Just study hard and you will be placed in the group which you are supposed to be in. In answer to a previous question, a 2nd grader can make IMO if they are truly the best. For example, seventh grader Edward Wan qualified for MOP in 2016 while record breaking Alex Song got bronze at IMO when he was just 13 going on 14.

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