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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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Arr0w
Feb 11, 2022
scannose
Sep 19, 2022
k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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Jul 2, 2019
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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USA 97 [1/(b^3+c^3+abc) + ... >= 1/(abc)]
Maverick   45
N 12 minutes ago by Marcus_Zhang
Source: USAMO 1997/5; also: ineq E2.37 in Book: Inegalitati; Authors:L.Panaitopol,V. Bandila,M.Lascu
Prove that, for all positive real numbers $ a$, $ b$, $ c$, the inequality
\[ \frac {1}{a^3 + b^3 + abc} + \frac {1}{b^3 + c^3 + abc} + \frac {1}{c^3 + a^3 + abc} \leq \frac {1}{abc}
\]
holds.
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Maverick
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Marcus_Zhang
12 minutes ago
The prime inequality learning problem
orl   137
N 43 minutes ago by Marcus_Zhang
Source: IMO 1995, Problem 2, Day 1, IMO Shortlist 1995, A1
Let $ a$, $ b$, $ c$ be positive real numbers such that $ abc = 1$. Prove that
\[ \frac {1}{a^{3}\left(b + c\right)} + \frac {1}{b^{3}\left(c + a\right)} + \frac {1}{c^{3}\left(a + b\right)}\geq \frac {3}{2}.
\]
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orl
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Marcus_Zhang
43 minutes ago
hard ............ (2)
Noname23   2
N 2 hours ago by mathprodigy2011
problem
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Lil_flip38   5
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Source: abelkonkurransen
Let \(ABC\) be a triangle. Let \(E,F\) be the feet of the altitudes from \(B,C\) respectively. Let \(P,Q\) be the projections of \(B,C\) onto line \(EF\). Show that \(PE=QF\).
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I was thinking about switching my son to the Beast Academy books but there aren't many reviews of this book series and it is relatively new. Do you happen to know if there are any reviews of the Beast Academy books from highly reputable sources? I am going to use the Beast Academy books as a supplemental but I was thinking about using them as the primary math books.

About how well does Beast Academy cover common core? Does it cover it very thoroughly?

Background: My son is an advanced math learner. I want him to do AMC 8. I am teaching him with Into Math by HMH--he will be done with its 4th grade book at the end of this summer, I estimate. He is currently in 1st grade. At his school, he is in their 2nd/3rd grade math class. Into Math by HMH follows common core closely and he is doing well with it, so I'm hesitant to change. Into Math is also a well-reviewed book series.


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N 5 hours ago by MathRook7817
ESPN noon EST - the Countdown round of Nationals.

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FlyingDragon21   24
N 5 hours ago by FlyingDragon21
In Isosceles triangle ABC where AB equals AC and point D lies on line AB, line CD splits line AB so that AD equals BC. If angle BAC is 20 degrees, what is the measure of angle DCA?
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Combi counting
Caasi_Gnow   1
N Yesterday at 7:27 PM by franklin2013
Find the number of different ways to arrange seven people around a circular meeting table if A and B must sit together and C and D cannot sit next to each other. (Note: the order for A and B might be A,B or B,A)
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Syntax Error   20
N Yesterday at 6:25 PM by mathelvin
If the perimeter of an isosceles triangle is 36cm and the altitude to its base is 12cm, what is the area, in square centimeters, of the triangle?


this was a countdown round, so do it fast
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Tangent Spheres in a plane
ReticulatedPython   13
N Yesterday at 6:02 PM by ChaitraliKA
Three mutually tangent spheres with radius $6$ rest on a plane. A sphere with radius $10$ is tangent to all of them, but does not intersect nor lie on the plane. A sphere with radius $r$ lies on the plane, and is tangent to all three spheres with radius $6.$ Compute the shortest distance between the sphere with radius $r$ and the sphere with radius $10.$

Source: Own
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N Yesterday at 2:35 PM by Nioronean
I have state mathcounts tomorrow. What should I do to get prepared btw, and what are some tips for doing sprint and cdr?
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jkim0656   10
N Yesterday at 2:16 PM by iwastedmyusername
Hey AoPS ppl!
I made a poll about Pi vs Tau over here:
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c3h3527460
But after a few days it got blocked but i don't get why?
how is this harmful or different from other polls?
It really wasn't that harmful or popular i got to say tho... :noo:
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My question is how much of the geo and IA textbooks is relevant to AMC 10?
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quadratics
luciazhu1105   17
N Yesterday at 1:55 PM by Charizard_637
I really need help on quadratics and I don't know why I also kinda need a bit of help on graphing functions and finding the domain and range of them.
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IMO ShortList 2001, algebra problem 4
orl   35
N Mar 17, 2025 by HamstPan38825
Source: IMO ShortList 2001, algebra problem 4
Find all functions $f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$, satisfying \[
f(xy)(f(x) - f(y)) = (x-y)f(x)f(y)
\] for all $x,y$.
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orl
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HamstPan38825
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IMO ShortList 2001, algebra problem 4
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Find all functions $f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$, satisfying \[
f(xy)(f(x) - f(y)) = (x-y)f(x)f(y)
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Please post your solutions. This is just a solution template to write up your solutions in a nice way and formatted in LaTeX. But maybe your solution is so well written that this is not required finally. For more information and instructions regarding the ISL/ILL problems please look here: introduction for the IMO ShortList/LongList project and regardingsolutions :)
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Assume $f(1)=0$. Take $y=1$. We get $f^2(x)=0,\ \forall x$, so $f(x)=0,\ \forall x$. This is a solution, so we can take it out of the way: assume $f(1)\ne 0$.

$y=1\Rightarrow f(x)[f(x)-f(1)]=(x-1)f(x)f(1)$. We either have $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=f(1)x$, so for every $x$, $f(x)\in\{0,f(1)x\}$. In particular, $f(0)=0$.

Assume $f(y)=0$. We get $f(x)f(xy)=0,\ \forall x$. This means that $f(a),f(b)\ne 0\Rightarrow f(\frac ab)\ne 0\ (*)$ ($\frac ab$ is defined because $f(b)\ne 0\Rightarrow b\ne 0$). Assume now that $x\ne y$ and $f(x),f(y)\ne 0$. We get $f(x)=f(1)x,\ f(y)=f(1)y$, and after replacing everything we get $f(xy)=f(1)xy\ne 0$, so $x\ne y,\ f(x),f(y)\ne 0\Rightarrow f(xy)\ne 0\ (**)$. Assume now $f(x)\ne 0$. From $(*)$ we get $f(\frac 1x)\ne 0$, and after applying $(*)$ again to $a=x,b=\frac 1x$ we get $f(x^2)\ne 0\ (***)$. We can now see that $(**),(***)$ combine to $f(x),f(y)\ne 0\Rightarrow f(xy)\ne 0\ (\#)$.

Let $G=\{x\in\mathbb R|f(x)\ne 0\}$. $(*)$ and $(\#)$ simply say that $(G,\ \cdot)$ is a subgroup of $(\mathbb R^{*},\ \cdot)$.

Conversely, let $G$ be a subgroup of the multiplicative group $\mathbb R^*$. Take $f(x)=\{\begin{array}{c}f(1)x,\ x\in G\\0,\ x\not \in G\end{array}$. It's easy to check the condition $f(xy)[f(x)-f(y)]=(x-y)f(x)f(y)$.
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Please tell me if there is anything wrong with my solution:
Put y=1. If $f(1)$ = 0, f is identically 0. Otherwise f(x) = f(1)x = kx for any real k.
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Pascal96 wrote:
Please tell me if there is anything wrong with my solution:
Put y=1. If $f(1)$ = 0, f is identically 0. Otherwise f(x) = f(1)x = kx for any real k.
Yes, just look at the previous post which gives a lot of other solutions.

And since you just give the result and not the content of your own proof, we can not show you where is your error. The only thing we can say is that your proof is wrong.
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I have the same solution as pascal, but i'll post it so you can point out what's wrong:
let our assertion be $P(x,y)$.
$P(x,1): f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1)$
Therefore, either $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)-f(1)=(x-1)f(1)$
Therefore, $f(x)=0$ is a solution
Now assume $f(x) \not=0$
then $f(x)-f(1)=xf(1)-f(1) \implies f(x)=xf(1)$
Plugging in $x=1$, we see $f(1)=f(1)$, so we have no further restrictions on $f(1)$
Therefore, for all $c \in \mathbb{R}$, there is an $f(x)=cx$.
Furthermore, $f(x)=0$ is merely $f(x)=cx, c=0$, so all solutions are in the form $f(x)=cx$ for all $c \in \mathbb{R} \blacksquare$

You said this is wrong; why?
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It's wrong because you only have $f(x) = xf(1)$ or $f(x) = 0$ for each $x \in \mathbb{R}$. You have to do a little more work to restrict which $x$ you have fall under the first case and which fall under the second.
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Oh, tired me might realize; Is it because this function is not continuous?
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First, suppose $f(0)\neq 0$. Then $f(0)\cdot [f(x)-f(0)] = x\cdot f(x)\cdot f(0)$. Taking $x=1$ we get $f(1)-f(0)=f(1)$, contradiction. Thus $f(0)=0$.

Now, suppose there was a value of $x$ such that $f(x)\neq 0$. Then $f(x)\cdot [f(x)-f(1)] = (x-1)\cdot f(x)\cdot f(1)$, or $f(x)=x\cdot f(1)$. Clearly $f(1)\neq 0$, or this gives a contradiction. Moreover, if $f$ is a solution, then $c\cdot f$ is a solution for any constant $c$. Then we either have $f(1)=0$, in which case $f\equiv 0$, or $f(1)=1$, in which case $f(x)$ is either $0$ or $x$.

Let $S$ be the set of values for which $f(x)=x$. If $S$ is nonempty, then $1\in S$. Moreover note that $0\not\in S$. Now, suppose $|S|>1$. We claim that $S$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb{R}^*$. To do this, we need to show that $S$ is closed under multiplication, and that $x\in S\rightarrow 1/x\in S$.

Suppose $x\in S$ but $1/x\not\in S$. Clearly $x\neq -1$. Then $f(1/x)=0$. It follows that $f(1)\cdot [f(x)-f(1/x)] = 0$. But $f(x)=x$ and $f(1/x)=0$, so $f(1)\cdot x = 0$, implying $x=0$, contradiction as $0\not\in S$. Thus for every $x\in S$, we have $1/x\in S$.

Now we need to check for closure under multiplication. First, if $x,y$ are distinct and in $S$, then $f(xy)\cdot (x-y) = (x-y)\cdot x\cdot y$, so $f(xy)=xy$. It remains to check that for $x\in S$, $f(x^2)=x^2$. This is clear if $x=1$. But note that $f(x)\cdot [f(x^2)-f(1/x)] = (x^2-1/x)\cdot f(x^2)\cdot f(1/x)$. If $f(x^2)=0$, then it follows that $f(x)\cdot (0-1/x)=0$, or $f(x)=0$, contradiction! Thus $f(x^2)=x^2$. It follows that $S$ is also closed under multiplication.

Thus, the solutions are of the form $\boxed{f(x)=f(1)\cdot x \mid x\in S; f(x) = 0 \mid  x\not\in S}$ when $S$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb{R}^*$. It is easy to check that these solutions work.
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We claim the solutions are $f(x)=kx$ for $x\in G$ and $f(x)=0$ for $x\not\in G$ where $G$ is any multiplicative subgroup of $\mathbb{R}^*$. It is easy to check that this works.

Let $P(x,y)$ be the FE and suppose $f$ satisfies it. Note that
\[P(x,1)\implies f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1),\]or that $f(x)^2=xf(x)f(1)$. Thus, $f(x)=xf(1)$ if $f(x)\ne 0$. If $f(1)=0$, then we get $f\equiv 0$, so suppose $f(1)\ne 0$, and since we can scale $f$, WLOG suppose $f(1)=1$. Let $G=\{x:f(x)\ne 0\}$.

Note that $1\in G$. Also, if $x\in G$, then
\[P(x,1/x)\implies x-f(1/x)=(x-1/x)xf(1/x)\implies f(1/x)=1/x,\]so $1/x\in G$. Furthermore, if $x\ne y\in G$, then
\[P(x,y)\implies f(xy)(x-y)=(x-y)xy\implies xy\in G.\]It simply remains to be shown that if $x\in G$, then $x^2\in G$. Note that
\[P(x^2,1/x)\implies x(f(x^2)-1/x)=(x^2-1/x)f(x^2)/x\implies f(x^2)=x^2,\]so $x^2\in G$. This shows that $G\le\mathbb{R}^*$, so we're done.
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Wait, how would you write such a solution in a real olympiad? After you get the relatively trivial $f(x)=xf(1)$ or $f(x)=0$ for any $x$ real, and some relations like if $f(x)$ is a solution, then so is $g(x)=cf(x)=>$Let $f(1)=1$, $P(t,\frac{1}t) => f(\frac{1}{t})=\frac{1}{t}$ if $f(t)=t$, if $f(x)=x$ and $f(y)=y$ $=>$ $f(xy)=xy$... now how do you construct a "multiplicative sub-group" from this, and more importantly how would you write down such a function anyways?
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I think all the above solutions explain this itself. Basically all you have to do is to show that there is a set of real numbers which satisfy the following relations :
(1) Show that the sub-group contains the identity element i.e $1$
(2) Now if $x \in G \implies \frac{1}{x} \in G$ which implies the inverse element exists
(3) For $x,y \in G \implies x \cdot y \in G$ which is the obvious definition of a group
Showing all this gives $G$ is a multiplicative sub-group of $\mathbb{R}^*$

Now if we partition $\mathbb{R}^*$ into two mutually disjoint subsets $\{G\}$ and $\{\mathbb{R}^* - G\}$, then it is fairly clear to see that all such all such solutions work. Actually it is similar to the case of a point-wise trap!
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I claim that $f(x)=cx$ when $x\in G$ and $f(x)=0$ otherwise is always a solution, where $G$ is a multiplicative group over $\mathbb{R}\setminus\{0\}$, and $c$ is an arbitrary constant. It is easy to verify that such solutions work.

To show that all solutions are of this form, denote the assertion $P(x,y)$. We have that $P(1,0)$ yields $f(1)f(0)=(f(1)-f(0))f(0)$. So, either $f(0)=0$, or $f(1)-f(0)=f(1)\implies f(0)=0$. So, $f(0)=0$. Now, $P(1,x)$ yields $f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1)\implies f(x)(f(x)-xf(1))=0$. So, either $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=xf(1)$. Assume $f(1)\neq 0$, or else $f(x)=0$. If we have nonzero $x\neq y$ such that $f(x)=xf(1),f(y)=yf(1)$, then $P(x,y)$ gives that $f(xy)\neq 0\implies f(xy)=xyf(1)$, for $x\neq y$. Similarly, we get that if $f(x)=xf(1),f(xy)=xyf(1)$, then $f(y)=yf(1)$. Denoting the set $G$ to be all $x$ such that $f(x)=xf(1)$, we have $x,y\in G\implies xy\in G$ for $x\neq y$, $x,y\in G\implies \frac{x}{y}\in G$, and $1,x\in G\implies x,\frac{1}{x}\in G\implies x^2\in G$. So, $G$ is a multiplicative group, as desired.
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william122 wrote:
I claim that $f(x)=cx$ when $x\in G$ and $f(x)=0$ otherwise is always a solution, where $G$ is a multiplicative group over $\mathbb{R}\setminus\{0\}$, and $c$ is an arbitrary constant. It is easy to verify that such solutions work.

To show that all solutions are of this form, denote the assertion $P(x,y)$. We have that $P(1,0)$ yields $f(1)f(0)=(f(1)-f(0))f(0)$. So, either $f(0)=0$, or $f(1)-f(0)=f(1)\implies f(0)=0$. So, $f(0)=0$. Now, $P(1,x)$ yields $f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1)\implies f(x)(f(x)-xf(1))=0$. So, either $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=xf(1)$. If we have nonzero $x\neq y$ such that $f(x)=xf(1),f(y)=yf(1)$, then $P(x,y)$ gives that $f(xy)\neq 0\implies f(xy)=xyf(1)$. So, if we define $G$ to be the set of all $x$ such that $f(x)=x$, we get that $G$ is a multiplicative group, as desired.

technically, all you have shown is that $x,y\in G$ when $x\ne y$ implies $xy\in G$, so you still have to show $x^2\in G$, but this is not hard. I just think you might lose a point for that since it is a nontrivial required step.
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Setting $y=1$, we have the following:
$$f(x)^2=xf(x)f(1)$$If $f(1)=0$, then we have that $f(x)=0$ for all $x \in\mathbb{R}$, in the case that it isn't equal to $0$, we have that $f(x)=f(1)x$

Let's set $f(1)=c\neq 0$ and let's define the set $G=\{ y \mid f(y) \neq 0\}$
So we want to prove the following:
$$ f(x) = \begin{cases}  cx & x\in  G \\0 & x \notin G \end{cases} $$
If this holds, then $G$ must be closed under multiplication and under division
So now let's see some characteristics of $G$
1) Obviously $1 \in G$
2)If $x \in G$ and $y \notin G$, we see by the functional equation that $f(xy)f(x)=0$, since $f(x) \neq 0$, we have that $f(xy) = 0$, that means that $xy \notin G$
3)If $x,y \in G$, we have that $\frac{x}{y} \in G$, because if this didn't hold, then by the second condition we have that $y \frac{x}{y} = x \notin G$
4)From all of this we have that if $x,y \in G$, we have that $x^{-1} \in G$, and from this we have that $xy=\frac{y}{x^{-1}}\in G$
We have seen that $G$ is closed under multiplication and division, which contains $1$.
So from this we have that the solution for this functional equation:
$$ f(x) = \begin{cases} cx & x\in  G \\ 0 & x \notin G \end{cases} $$Where $G \subseteq \mathbb{R}$ . . . :D
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Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion, and let $f(1)=k.$

$\textbf{Claim: }$ $f(x)\in\{0,kx\}$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}.$

$\textbf{Proof: }$ Assume $f(x)\ne 0.$ Then, $P(x,1)$ gives $$f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1)\implies f(x)-f(1)=(x-1)f(1).$$This implies that $f(x)=kx,$ as desired. $\blacksquare$

Let $S=\{x| f(x)=kx\}.$

$\textbf{Claim: }$ If $a\in S,$ then $\frac{1}{a}\in S.$

$\textbf{Proof: }$Let $x\in S.$ The assertion $P(x,1/x)$ simplifies to $$k(kx-f(1/x))=(x-1/x)kxf(1/x)$$$$\implies f(1/x)=k/x,$$which implies the desired conclusion.

$\textbf{Claim: }$ If $a,b\in S$ such that $a\ne b,$ then $ab\in S.$

$\textbf{Proof: }$ Suppose $f(x)=kx$ and $f(y)=ky$ for some $x,y\in\mathbb{R}.$ From $P(x,y),$ we have $$f(xy)(kx-ky)=(x-y)(kx)(ky)\implies f(xy)=kxy,$$as desired. $\blacksquare$

It is easy to check that any function associated with a set $S$ satisfying the two conditions described above satisfies the equation.
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Any working function $f$ is a particular $f_T$ where $T$ is a multiplicative group contained in $\mathbb{R}$ and
\[f_T(x)=\begin{cases}
cx&x\in T\\
0&x\not\in T
\end{cases}\]for some nonzero constant $c$. Work with $f_T(x)/c = f_T'$ instead for convenience.
We check that such $f_T$ work in three steps; if $x\in T,y\in T$, then the condition rewrites as $xy(x-y)=(x-y)xy$. If $x\not\in T,y\not\in T$, then the condition rewrites as $f_T'(xy)\cdot0=(x-y)\cdot0$. If $x\in T,y\not\in T$, then the condition rewrites as $f_T'(xy)f_T'(x)=(x-y)\cdot f_T'(x)\cdot0$, so it is sufficient to show that $xy\not\in T$. But this follows from the observation that otherwise we would have $y=x^{-1}xy\in T$.

Take $y=0,x=1$ to see that $f(0)f(1)-f(0)^2=f(1)f(0)\implies f(0)=0.$ Observe that if $f(x)=f(y)$, then $0=(x-y)f(x)f(y)$ implies at least one of $f(x)$ and $f(y)$ is zero, so both are. That is, the only $x$ for which $f^{-1}(x)$ could contain more than one element is $x=0$. Now, take $y\in f^{-1}(0)$ and observe that $f(xy)f(x)=0$, so either $f(x)=0$ or $f(xy)=0$ for each $x$.

We now analyze the structure of $f^{-1}(x)=S$. We have observed that for each $y\in S$ and $x\in\mathbb{R}$, either $x$ or $xy$ is in $S$. Now, note that if there existed $x,y$ such that $xy\in S$ and $x,y\not\in S$, we would get a contradiction by substituting $x,y$ in. Now, observe that if $1\in S$, then any $x$ would be in $S$, so $f\equiv0$ or $1\not\in S$. Now, note that for any $y\not\in S$, $y^{-1}\not\in S$ because otherwise one of $1$ and $y$ would be in $S$. Hence, $T=\mathbb{R}\setminus S$ is a multiplicative subgroup of $\mathbb{R}$. Now, let $f(1)=c$ and define $g(x) = f(x)/c$ which satisfies the same properties as $f$ except $g(1)=1$. Take $x\in T$ and observe that the given information applied to $x,1$ yields $g(x)-f(1)=x-1$, so $x=g(x)$, giving us the claimed $f$.
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Let $P(x, y)$ denote the assertion. Note that $P(x, 1)$ yields\[f(x)(f(x) - f(1)) = (x-1)f(x)f(1)\]and if we let $f(1) = c$ for some real constant $c$, then we get\[f(x)(f(x) - c) = c(x-1)f(x)\]which in fact, nicely rearranges to $f(x)(f(x) - cx) = 0 \implies f(x) \in \{0, cx\}$. First, note that $f(x) = 0$ is a solution; for the rest of the proof, we will assume $c \neq 0$. Clearly $f(0) = 0$. Let $S$ denote the set of all nonzero reals $r$ for which $f(r) = cr$. By definition, $1 \in S$. Furthermore, from $P(x, \tfrac{1}{x})$, we can see that\[c\left(f(x) - f\left(\frac 1x\right)\right) = \left(x - \frac 1x\right)f(x)f\left(\frac 1x\right)\]so if $x \in S \iff f(x) = cx$, then upon manipulation we get\[cx - f\left(\frac 1x\right) = x\left(x - \frac 1x\right)f\left(\frac 1x\right) \implies cx = x^2f\left(\frac 1x\right) \implies f\left(\frac 1x\right) = \frac{c}{x}\]so $\tfrac1x \in S$ as well. Furthermore, if we have $x \neq y$ both $\in S$, then from $P(x, y)$, we get that\[f(xy) = \frac{(x - y)c^2xy}{c(x - y)} = cxy\]hence $xy \in S$. Furthermore, if $x \in S$, we can use $P(x^2, \tfrac{1}{x})$ to deduce that\[cx\left(f(x^2) - \frac cx\right) = \left(x^2 - \frac 1x\right)f(x^2)\left(\frac cx\right)\]which upon solving for $f(x^2)$, yields $f(x^2) = cx^2$, so $x^2 \in S$ as well. Thus, the set $S$ is completely closed under multiplication, and division as well. It turns out that this is actually enough: all functions\[\boxed{f(x) =
\begin{cases}
 0 & \text{     if     } x \not\in S\\
 cx & \text{     if     } x \in S
\end{cases}}\]where $S$ is a set containing $1$ closed under both multiplication and division, work. This can be case-checked to work for all $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we are done. $\blacksquare$
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ISL 01A4. Find all functions $f: \mathbb{R}\mapsto\mathbb{R}$ such that \[\forall (x, y)\in\mathbb{R}^2: f(xy)(f(x)-f(y))=(x-y)f(x)f(y)\stackrel{\text{def}}{:} P(x, y).\]
Solution. $P(x, 0): f(0)(f(x)-f(0))=xf(x)f(0)$. This motivates us to divide into two cases as follows:

Case 1. $f(0)\ne 0$
Then $(1-x)f(x)=f(0)$.
Plugging in this to the original equation we get $x+y=2 \forall (x, y)\in\mathbb{R}^2$, which is clearly a contradiction.

Case 2. $f(0)=0$
If $f=0\forall x\in\mathbb{R}$ then it obviously satisfy $P$.
It suffices to consider the case when $\exists c\ne 0: f(c)=0$.
$P(x, 1): (x-1)f(x)f(1)=f(x)(f(x)-f(1))$. For $x\ne 0$, $f(x)=xf(1)$, which obviously satisfy $P$ again.

In conclusion, $f\in\{f(x)=cx\forall x\in\mathbb{R}: c\in\mathbb{R}\}$.
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@above, once you get $f(xz)f(x)=0$, how do you get $f(x)=0\forall x$?

Let $P(x,y)$ be the given assertion.
$P(x,1)\Rightarrow f(x)^2=xf(x)f(1)\Rightarrow  f(x)=\begin{cases}xf(1)&\text{if }x\in S\\0&\text{if }x\notin S\end{cases}$
where $S\subseteq\mathbb R\setminus\{0\}$.
WLOG $f(1)=1$ (for ease).

Case 1: $x,y\in S$
$P(x,y)\Leftrightarrow f(xy)=xy$, so $xy\in S$
Case 2: $x\in S,y\notin S$
$P(x,y)\Leftrightarrow xf(xy)=0$
and since $x\ne0$, we must have $f(xy)=0$.
Case 3: $x\notin S,y\in S$
Same as Case 2 with $x,y$ switched
Case 4: $x\notin S,y\notin S$
$P(x,y)\Leftrightarrow0=0$

So the entire solution set is:
$$\boxed{f(x)=\begin{cases}cx&\text{if }x\in S\\0&\text{if }x\notin S\end{cases}}$$where $S\subseteq\mathbb R\setminus\{0\}$ and $xy\in S\Leftrightarrow x,y\in S$ and $c$ is any real constant. This works by the casework described above.
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Let $P(x,y)$ be the assertion.
$P(x,1) \implies f(x)^2=xf(x)f(1).$
Assume $f(1)\neq 0,$ and let $S$ be the set of all real $x$, s.t. $f(x)=xf(1).$ We then have the following (possible) solutions:
\[\boxed{f(x) =
\begin{cases}
xf(1) & \text{ if } x \in S\\
0 & \text{otherwise},
\end{cases}}\]where $f(1)$ is any real constant not $0,$ it's easy to check both of these fit.
Case 1: $1\in S$ since $f(1)\neq 0.$
Case 2: $x\in S, y\notin S,$ then $P(x,y) \implies f(x)f(xy)=0,$ so $xy \notin S.$
Case 3: $x,y \in S$ then $\frac{x}{y} \in S.$ And by Case 2, $\frac{1}{x}, \frac{y}{x} \in S.$
To conclude, $S$ is a set containing $1$ but not $0$ and is closed under multiplication and division.
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Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion. $P(x,1)$ gives $f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=(x-1)f(x)f(1).$ For each $x,$ we have $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=xf(1).$ Clearly, if $f(1)=0$ then $f(x)^2=0$ which implies $f(x)=0$ for all $x$ which is a valid function.

Let $\mathbb{S}$ be the set of $x$ such that $f(x)\neq 0.$ Suppose $\mathbb{S}$ is nonempty. We have $1\in \mathbb{S}$ but $0\notin \mathbb{S}.$ However, $\mathbb{S}$ is closed under multiplication because if $f(x)=xf(1)$ and $f(y)=yf(1)$ then $f(xy)f(1)(x-y)=(x-y)xy f(1)^2$ so if $x\neq y$ then $f(xy)=f(1)xy.$

Also, $\mathbb{S}$ is closed under division because if $x\in \mathbb{S}$ then $P(x,\frac{1}{x})$ gives \[f(1)(xf(1)-f(y))=(x-y)xf(1)f(y)\]but $f(1)\neq 0$ so $(x-y)xf(y)=xf(1)-f(y).$ If $f(y)=0$ then $xf(1)=0$ which is a contradiction. Thus, $\frac{1}{x}\in \mathbb{S}.$ Therefore, $\frac{y}{x}\in \mathbb{S}$ if $y\in \mathbb{S}$ which implies that $\mathbb{S}$ is closed under division.

Note that all functions satisfying this also works: $f(x)=0$ unless $x\in \mathbb{S}$ in which case $f(x)=kx$ where $\mathbb{S}$ has the property that two of the following properties implies the third: $a\in \mathbb{S}, b\in \mathbb{S},ab\in \mathbb{S}$ and $1\in \mathbb{S}$ and $0\notin \mathbb{S}.$
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$$f(x)=\begin{cases}cx& x \in S\\0 & x \not \in S,\end{cases}$$where $S$ is a subset of $\mathbb{R}$ closed under multiplication and division. A case check shows that these all work.

First, $P(x,1)$ yields
$$f(x)(f(x)-f(1))=f(x)f(1)(x-1) \implies f(x)(f(x)-xf(1))=0.$$Letting $x=0$ yields $f(0)=0$, henceforth all variables are nonzero unless otherwise specified. Further, if $f(1)=0$, then $f \equiv 0$, which is described by taking $S=\emptyset$. Henceforth suppose $f(1) \neq 0$, and note that by scaling we may assume that $f(1)=1$ (so $1 \in S$), so $f(x) \in \{0,x\}$ for all $x$.
Suppose $x,y \in S$, where $x \neq y$. Then $P(x,y)$ implies $f(xy)=f(x)f(y)=xy$, so $xy \in S$ and $S$ is closed under multiplication of distinct elements.
Likewise, if $x,xy \in S$, $P(x,y)$ implies (as variables are nonzero)
$$xy(x-f(y))=(x-y)xf(y) \iff xy-yf(y)=xf(y)-yf(y) \iff f(y)=y,$$hence $y=\tfrac{xy}{y} \in S$ as well, so $S$ is (unconditionally) closed under division.
We now show that $S$ is also closed under multiplication of non-distinct elements, which is a fancy way of saying that $x \in S \implies x^2 \in S$. Indeed, note that due to the properties of $S$ we discovered, including the fact that $1 \in S$, we have $x \in S \implies \tfrac{1}{x} \in S \implies \tfrac{1/x}{x}=\tfrac{1}{x^2} \in S \implies x^2 \in S$, which implies that $S$ is closed under multiplication and division, as desired. $\blacksquare$
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Please tell me if my solution is wrong.

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Let the set of all sets of real numbers that are closed over division containing $1$ be $S$. Let $S' = S \cup \emptyset$. Then the set of all valid functions $f$ can be characterized as the functions such that for some set $A \in S'$, we have $f(x) = cx$ for $x \in A$ and $x = 0$ otherwise.

It is trivial to see that all such functions work.

$P(x, 0)$ gives either $f(0) = 0$, or $f(x) = \frac{f(0)}{1-x}$, which doesn't work, so we can conclude $f(0) = 0$. Now consider the values which upon $f$ is nonzero. Clearly if $f(x)$ is nonzero, we have $P(x,1)$ gives $f(x)(f(x) - f(1)) = (x-1)f(x)f(1)$. If $f(1) = 0$, this forces $f(x) = 0$, which is a contradiction, otherwise we have $f(x) = f(1)x$. Now, we show that the set of values which $f$ is nonzero is closed under divison. Firstly, note that $f$ is injective when it is nonzero. For division, notice that for distinct $a,b$ (the case where $a = b$ just wants us to show $1$ is in the set, which has already been shown), we have $f(a)(f(b) - f(\frac ab)) = (b- \frac ab)f(a)f(b)$, where the left side is clearly nonzero. We are done.
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Let $G$ be any multiplicative subgroup of $R^{*}$. The answer is $f(x)=Cx$ when $x\in G$ and $f(x)=0$ otherwise, where $C$ is any real. This "clearly" works.
$P(x,1)$ gives $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=Cx$ where $C=f(1)$ for each individual $x$, so $f(0)=0$. Now let $S$ be the set of nonzero reals $x$ such that $f(x)=Cx$. Clearly $S$ is closed under multiplication and $x\in S$ iff $1/x\in S$. This means that $S$ is a multiplicative subgroup of $R^{*}$. $\blacksquare$
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Claim: $f$ is injective on nonzero outputs.
Proof. Suppose that $f(a) = f(b) \ne 0$.
Then $P(a, b)$ implies that $a = b$. $\blacksquare$
Let $S$ be the kernel of $f$.
First suppose that $a \in S$ such $a \ne 0$. If $1 \in S$ then by $P(x, 1)$ it follows that $f(x)$ is uniformly $0$, so suppose not.
Then, by $P(x, 1)$ \[ f(x)(f(x) - f(1)) = (x - 1)f(x)f(1) \]so either $f(x) = 0$ or \[ f(x) = xf(1) \]
Claim: ${\mathbb R} \setminus S$ forms a multiplicative subgroup.
Proof. For $x, y \not\in S$ then \[ f(x)\left(f(y) - f\left(\frac{x}{y}\right)\right) = \left(y - \frac{x}{y}\right)f(y)f\left(\frac{x}{y}\right) \]so either $y^2 = x$ or $f\left(\frac{x}{y}\right)$ is nonzero, but the first implies the second.
Then, since $1 \not\in S$ it follows that \[ \frac{x}{\frac{1}{y}} = xy \not\in S \]$\blacksquare$
As such, the solution set is then \[ f(x) = \begin{cases} cf(x) & x \in H \\ 0 & x \not\in H \end{cases} \]where $H < {\mathbb R}$ is a multiplicative subgroup.
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Let $S$ be a multiplicative subgroup of $\mathbb R$. Then $f(x) = cx$ for a real $c$ and $x \in S$ and $f(x)=0$ otherwise works; this is evident through casework.

Firstly, if $f(a) = f(b) \neq 0$, we get
\[ 0 = f(ab) (f(a)-f(b)) = f(a)f(b)(a-b) \]which means $a=b$.

Secondly,\[ f(0)(f(0) - f(a)) = -af(0)f(a) \implies f(0)^2 = 0. \](by setting $a=1$)

Let $S$ be the set of reals such that $\forall s \in S$ we have $f(s) \neq 0$ and suppose it is nonempty.

We verify that it is a multiplicative subgroup.
$\textbf{Identity.}$ Note that if $f(a) \neq 0$, \[ f(a)(f(a) - f(1)) = f(a) f(1) (a - 1) \]which implies $f(a) = af(1)$. As such, $f(1) \neq 0$ which means $1 \in S$.

$\textbf{Closure.}$ We have that if $a,b$ are in $S$ and are distinct, $f(a) - f(b) \neq 0$ and $(a-b) \neq 0.$ It follows that $f(ab) \neq 0$.

$\textbf{Inverse.}$ If $a \neq 1/a$ is in $S$,
\[ f(1)(f(a) - f(1/a)) = (a - 1/a) f(a) f(1/a) \]and after supposing $f(1/a) =0 $ we derive a contradiction. If $a = 1/a$ then $a$ is its own inverse and is in $S$.

Associativity is trivial.


This readily solves the problem.
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Let $K \in \mathbb{R}$ s.t. it is closed under multiplication and division then $f(x)=cx$ works for $c \in \mathbb{R}$, verification is easy.
By $P(x,0)$, we get $f(x)=0$ or $f(x)=cx$ for every value of $x$, then by some value putting we get the claimed set as solution.
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Let $P(x,y)$ denote the assertion. $P(1,0)$ implies that $f(0) = 0$.

First, assume that there are no $a \neq 0$ such that $f(a) = 0$. For $x \neq 0$, $P(x,1)$ implies (since $f(x) \neq 0$):
\[f(x) - f(1) = (x-1) \cdot f(1) \implies f(x) = cx\]which satisfies $P(x,y)$.

Now, assume that there exists at least one value of $a \neq 0$ such that $f(a) = 0$. Taking $P(x,a)$ implies
\[f(ax) \cdot f(x) = 0 \text{ for all $x$}\]Thus if $f(b) \neq 0$, then $f(ab) = 0$. Repeating this with $a = ab$, we get $f(ab^2) = 0$, and so on. Note this holds for any $b$ such that $f(b) \neq 0$.

Now let $S_0$ be the set of reals such that $f(x) = 0$, and let $S$ be the set of all other reals. Due to what we previously said, we must have:
1) For any $x \in S$, $P(x,1)$ implies that $f(x) = cx$ for some fixed constant $c$.
2) For any $x \in S_0$ and any $a \in S_0$, we have $ax \in S_0$.
Thus the answer is
\[f(x) = \begin{cases}
    0 \text{ for any $x \in S_0$} \\
    cx \text{ for any $x \not \in S_0$} \\
  \end{cases}\]where for any $x \not \in S_0$, we have $ax \in S_0$ for any $a \in S_0$ where $S_0$ can be any set satisfying these conditions.
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Note that $P(x, 1) \implies f(x) \in \{0, cx\}$.
Let $A = \{x : f(x) = 0\}, B = \{x: f(x) \ne 0\}$.
Some cases give us that $A$ and $B$ satisfy the condition that $b \in B \implies \chi(ab) = \chi(a) \forall a$, where we define $\chi(x)$ to be zero if $x \in A$ and one if $x \in B$.
We can check that such functions work, qed (??)
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The answers are $f(x)=0$ for all $x$ and $f(x)=\begin{cases} xf(1) & x\in S \\ 0 & x\notin S\end{cases}$ where $S$ is some subgroup of $\mathbb R^*$. It is easy to verify that these work.

Suppose $f\not\equiv 0$. Let $S=\{x\in \mathbb R: f(x)\neq 0\}$. Note that $S$ is non-empty. Taking $x=1$, $y=0$ we get $f(0)=0$. Thus, $0\notin S$ and $S\neq \mathbb R$.

Suppose $t\in S$. Taking $(x,y)=(t,1)$ we get from the equation that $f(t)=tf(1)$. In particular, this implies that $f(1)\neq 0$ and thus $1\in S$. If $f(1/t)=0$ then taking $(x,y)=(t,1/t)$ we get $tf(1)^2=0$, a contradiction. Thus, $t\in S\implies 1/t \in S$. For $x\neq y$, it is clear from the equation that $x,y \in S\implies xy\in S$. If $f(t^2)=0$ then taking $(x,y)=(1/t,t^2)$ we get $f(t)f(1/t)=0$, a contradiction. Thus, we have proved that $x,y \in S\implies xy\in S$.

We have shown that $S$ is non-empty and closed under products and inverses which implies that $S$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb R^*$. Since we have $f(x)=xf(1)$ for all $x\in S$ and $f(x)=0$ otherwise, the claimed solution set follows.
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The answer is
\[f\equiv\begin{cases}
    cx & x\in S \\
    0 & x \not\in S
\end{cases}\]where $S$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb R^*,$ where $\mathbb R^*$ denotes the nonzero reals.

Note that if $f$ works, then $cf$ works, where $c$ is some constant. Thus, we can assume that $f(1) = 1$ or $f(1) = 0.$ If $f(1) = 0,$ taking $y = 1$ gives $f(x) = 0.$ Thus, assume $f(1) = 1.$

Take $x = 1$ to get $f(x) = x$ or $f(x) = 0.$ Let $A, B$ be sets such that $f(A) = 0, f(B) = B.$ We know $A\cap B = \{0\}, A\cup B = \mathbb R.$

If $x\in A, \frac1x\in B,$ then from $(x, \frac1x),$ we get $f(x) - f(\frac1x) = 0,$ so $f(\frac1x) = x.$ Contradiction. Thus, $f(\frac{1}{x}) = \frac1x.$

If $a, b\in A, a \neq b,$ then $f(ab) = ab.$ Hence, it suffices to prove $f(x^2) = x^2.$ Take $(x^2, \frac1x)$ to get $x(f(x^2) - \frac1x) = (x^2 - \frac1x) f(x^2)\frac1x.$ It is impossible $f(x^2) = 0.$
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Let $S$ be any subgroup of $\mathbb R^*$. The solutions to the given equation are given by $f(x) = cx$ if $c \in S$ and $f(x) = 0$ otherwise. It is not hard to show by cases that these functions all work.

First, by setting $y = 0$, the equation reads \[f(0)(f(x)-f(0)) = f(0)xf(x)\]which implies $f(0) = 0$ or $f(x) = \frac{f(0)}{1-x}$ for all real numbers $x$. The latter is absurd, hence $f(0) = 0$.

Setting $y = 1$, the equation reads \[f(x)(f(x) - f(1)) = (x-1)f(x)f(1)\]which implies that for all real numbers $x$, either $f(x) = 0$ or $f(x) = xf(1)$. Set $f(1) = c$. In particular, let $S$ be the set of all real numbers $x$ such that $f(x) = cx$; we will show that $S^*$ is a subgroup of $\mathbb R^*$.

Indeed, if $a \in S$, then by setting $(x, y) = \left(a, a^{-1}\right)$ it follows that the left side of the original equation is nonzero, hence $f\left(a^{-1}\right) \neq 0$ and $a^{-1} \in S$. Furthermore, if $a$ and $b$ are in $S$, then letting $(x, y) = (a, b)$ shows that $ab \in S$. This completes the characterization.
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