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questions from a first-time applicant to math camps
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hey!! im a first time applicant for a lot of math camps (namely: usa-canada mathcamp, PROMYS, Ross, MathILY, HCSSiM), and I was just wondering:

1. how much of an effect would being a first-time applicant have on making these math camps individually?
2. I spent a huge amount of effort (like 50 or something hours) on the USA-Canada Mathcamp application quiz in particular, but I'm pretty worried because supposedly almost no first-time applicants get into the camp. Are there any first-time applicants that you know of, and what did their applications (as in, qualifying quiz solutions) look like?
3. Additionally, a lot of people give off the impression that not doing the full problem set will screw your application over, except in rare cases. How much do you think a fakesolve would impact my PROMYS application chances?

thanks in advance!
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Anyone LFT for SMT?
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Is there anyone willing to join an SMT (Stanford Math Tournament) team?

I have a team looking for one more person.

Edit: If you are interested, please PM me, and I'll answer any questions there :)
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What is your opinion for MOHS for day 1?

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Hi I'm applying to USA/Canada mathcamp and just want to know how I'm doing compared to others. How many problems on average does a typical accepted applicant solve?
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Degree Six Polynomial's Roots
ksun48   42
N Mar 17, 2025 by eg4334
Source: 2014 AIME I Problem 14
Let $m$ be the largest real solution to the equation \[\frac{3}{x-3}+\frac{5}{x-5}+\frac{17}{x-17}+\frac{19}{x-19}= x^2-11x-4.\] There are positive integers $a,b,c$ such that $m = a + \sqrt{b+\sqrt{c}}$. Find $a+b+c$.
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Degree Six Polynomial's Roots
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Let $m$ be the largest real solution to the equation \[\frac{3}{x-3}+\frac{5}{x-5}+\frac{17}{x-17}+\frac{19}{x-19}= x^2-11x-4.\] There are positive integers $a,b,c$ such that $m = a + \sqrt{b+\sqrt{c}}$. Find $a+b+c$.
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I didn't have enough time to solve this during the test, but after working the problem at home, I got 263.
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Particularly brutal to careless this one... :wallbash:
(Edit: Okay, apparently I'm in the same league as Kent Merryfield here, so maybe I shouldn't feel so bad after all)

Add $4$ to both sides to get \[\frac{x}{x-3}+\frac{x}{x-5}+\frac{x}{x-17}+\frac{x}{x-19}=x^2-11x\] Divide through x to get \[\frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{x-5}+\frac{1}{x-17}+\frac{1}{x-19}=x-11\] Adding the two outside and two inside terms, the left hand side is \[\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+57}+\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+85}\] Therefore the equation becomes \[\frac{1}{x^2-22x+57}+\frac{1}{x^2-22x+85}=\frac{1}{2}\] Let $y=x^2-22x+57$, so this is \[\frac{1}{y}+\frac{1}{y+28}=\frac{1}{2}\] This clears to \[y^2+24y-56=0\] which solves to be $y=-12\pm\sqrt{200}$ (but I somehow got negative that on the AIME). Then $x^2-22x+69\pm\sqrt{200}$ gives $x=11\pm\sqrt{52\pm\sqrt{200}}$ (Pedantic and irrelevant edit: by this, I mean the four possible combinations of $+$ and $-$, no just the two possibilities of $+, +$ and $-, -$), so taking the obvious maximum we get $11+52+200=\boxed{263}$
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I solved this, but then I subtracted $484-276$ wrong. :wallbash:
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I was working the problems while proctoring. For this one, I started by setting $x=y+11,$ and then pairing terms on the left to get denominators of $y^2-64$ and $y^2-36.$ That immediately led to factoring out a $y,$ and then I also discovered that I could factor out $2y+11$. That left a quadratic for $y^2$ to solve by the quadratic formula.

I got $11+\sqrt{52+\sqrt{230}}.$ So I must have made an arithmetic error very near the final step.
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Solution 14
EDIT: dang looks like i was late
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I was so mad at myself for ignoring this problem after I solved it in <7,8 minutes at my house.
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How did you guys come up with this clever manipulation? Was it something you say before or did you just immediately come up with it?
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tanuagg13 wrote:
How did you guys come up with this clever manipulation? Was it something you saw before or did you just immediately come up with it?

So here's the (dramatized) story of me and this problem. Hopefully it provides some insight on how problems get solved. If not, hopefully it's kind of funny. :P
EDIT: Added embellishments

Prologue
It was about 25 minutes into the test and I had knocked out 9, 12, 15, 8, 3 (in that order). This problem had caught my eye at the beginning because it was pure algebra, but I hadn't jumped at it because I didn't have any immediate ideas how to attack it. Now is the hour, I decided, and I began my siege. Even if I didn't solve it right away, I could have it in the back of my head while I knocked out easy problems.

Act I
Right away I noticed that $3+19=5+17 = 2 \cdot 11$. That HAD to be important. It probably meant that $a=11$, for example. There's no other possible value for $a$ that would even make sense. But I wasn't sure what was up with the right hand side. The left-hand side looked natural, but the $x(x-11)-4$ seemed completely haphazardly thrown. The problem was hiding something, but I couldn't see what.

With no better idea, I got a new sheet of paper and attempted brute force. Knowing that $a=11$ was almost certain, I set $x = r+11$ and began crunching. Pairing, rearranging, whatever I could do to try to knock this out.

Unfortunately all I got was messes. (I had expected $r$, $r^3$, $r^5$ to cancel, but no such luck). After some minutes of this I accepted a temporary defeat and decided to come back later. I proceeded to squash the other eight problems I hadn't attempted yet within an hour, then returned to the sole survivor.

Act II
By this time I had about 90 minutes left so I was feeling pretty good about my chances of solving it. I looked at the equation again. The extra time had helped, because I noticed something I didn't before -- the equation was degree six (if you expand), but the roots of the form $a \pm \sqrt{b \pm \sqrt{c}}$ only covered four roots. So there had to be other roots left. I wondered if a quadratic factored out of the thing somehow, with some strange irrational roots.

Or maybe there were some more obvious roots...

Act III
It was at this point I decided to try plugging in $x=0$ to see what the constant term might be under a full expansion. This gives $(-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) = -4$... which gives precisely the right-hand side. Oops! I swore audibly in the testing room. At least I knew what the $-4$ there was for now.

So if $x=0$ is a root, that means I could annihilate a factor of $x$ from both sides. That caused me to add the $4$ to both sides, and then kill the $x$'s. This left \[ \frac{1}{x-3} + \frac{1}{x-5} + \frac{1}{x-17} + \frac{1}{x-19} = x-11. \] Now I did the same $r$ substitution as before, and at this point the fractions paired off nicely to wipe out the $r$ from both sides. Indeed, you just get \[ \frac{2r}{r^2-64} + \frac{2r}{r^2-36} = r \] which immediately drops to a quadratic in $r^2$. And that was straightforward!

Epilogue
This was it! I had solved all 15 problems with over an hour to boot. Maybe this would finally be the year when I didn't screw up and got that 15. All that stood in the way was a simple quadratic, and I had all the time in the world. With deep satisfaction and a sense of triumph, I knew I had solved all 15 problems.

I then proceeded to put 663 because of an arithmetic error. The end.
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@above: Well, from what I heard, #14 was not the only thing standing between you and a 15...
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Haha yeah this is pretty true. Certainly felt that way during the test though :P
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my motivation
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Done without substitution (unless you consider algebraic shorthand substitution)
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...I got it in the form of $11+\sqrt{52+10\sqrt{2}}$... got 075 as my answer... :( Why couldn't have the form of the answer be different...
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Well $10\sqrt{2}=\sqrt{200}$ and you didn't notice?
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I didn't see what the answer form was supposed to be.
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very similar to this problem i just found

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=2597249&sid=971159d0f08274af07475064d61a4b47#p2597249
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\begin{align}
  & \frac{3}{x-3}+\frac{5}{x-5}+\frac{17}{x-17}+\frac{19}{x-19}={{x}^{2}}-11x-4 \\ 
 & x-11=u\Rightarrow x=u+11 \\ 
 & \Rightarrow \frac{3}{u+8}+\frac{5}{u+6}+\frac{17}{u-6}+\frac{19}{u-8}=(u+11)u-4 \\ 
 & \Rightarrow \frac{3(u-8)+19(u+8)}{{{u}^{2}}-64}+\frac{5(u-6)+17(u+6)}{{{u}^{2}}-36}={{u}^{2}}+11u-4 \\ 
 & \Rightarrow \frac{22u+128}{{{u}^{2}}-64}+\frac{22u+72}{{{u}^{2}}-36}={{u}^{2}}+11u-4 \\ 
 & \Rightarrow \frac{2({{u}^{2}}+11u)}{{{u}^{2}}-64}+\frac{2({{u}^{2}}+11u)}{{{u}^{2}}-36}={{u}^{2}}+11u \\ 
 & \Rightarrow \left\{ \begin{matrix}
   {{u}^{2}}+11u=0\Rightarrow u=0,-11  \\
   \frac{2}{{{u}^{2}}-64}+\frac{2}{{{u}^{2}}-36}=1\Rightarrow ({{u}^{2}}-36)({{u}^{2}}-64)=4{{u}^{2}}-200  \\
\end{matrix} \right. \\ 
 & {{u}^{4}}-104{{u}^{2}}+2504=0\Rightarrow {{u}^{2}}=52\pm 10\sqrt{2} \\ 
 & \Rightarrow u=\pm \sqrt{52\pm 10\sqrt{2}}\Rightarrow x=11\pm \sqrt{52\pm 10\sqrt{2}} 
\end{align}
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Seeing terms of the form $\frac{a}{x-a}$ reminds one of the fact that $\frac{1}{1-a}=1+a+a^2+\cdots$ (only valid for $|a|<1$, but we can draw a veil over that for now :P ). Indeed, since $\frac{3}{3a-3}$ $=\frac{1}{a-1}$ $=-(1+a+a^2+\cdots)$, then letting $x:=3a$ yields $\frac{3}{x-3}$ $=-\left(1+\frac{x}{3}+\left(\frac{x}{3}\right)^2+\cdots\right)$, and similarly for the rest. Therefore, the equation becomes \[-\left(1+\frac{x}{3}+\left(\frac{x}{3}\right)^2+\cdots\right)-\left(1+\frac{x}{5}+\left(\frac{x}{5}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\]
\[-\left(1+\frac{x}{17}+\left(\frac{x}{17}\right)^2+\cdots \right)-\left(1+\frac{x}{19}+\left(\frac{x}{19}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\]
\[=x^2-11x-4.\] It is now clear to add $4$ to both sides (by evenly distributing it among the terms on the LHS), because they all have a constant term of $-1$, and $-1-1-1-1=-4$, which is the constant term on the RHS. Therefore, adding $4$ to both sides we get \[-\left(\frac{x}{3}+\left(\frac{x}{3}\right)^2+\cdots\right)-\left(\frac{x}{5}+\left(\frac{x}{5}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\]
\[-\left(\frac{x}{17}+\left(\frac{x}{17}\right)^2+\cdots \right)-\left(\frac{x}{19}+\left(\frac{x}{19}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\]
\[=x^2-11x.\] The rest is easy. (Divide through by $x$, switch back to closed-forms, transform, etc.)
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Can we say that this is a polynomial ? (i am nt sure ) we are getting a polynomial ..but that polynomial and the given equation are not same ..equation is not continuous at $x=3,5,17,19$
Can we say that an equation is a polynomial also when it is not ccontinuous at some points of it's domain ?
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anyone ?
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It's a polynomial with holes
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Adding $1$ to each fraction yields

$$\frac{3}{x-3}+1+\frac{5}{x-5}+1+\frac{17}{x-17}+1+\frac{19}{x-19}+1= x^2-11x-4+4$$$$\frac{x}{x-3}+\frac{x}{x-5}+\frac{x}{x-17}+\frac{x}{x-19}= x^2-11x.$$
Now we multiply by $\frac{1}{x}$ to get rid of the $x$ terms in the numerators of the RHS;

$$\frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{x-5}+\frac{1}{x-17}+\frac{1}{x-19}=x-11.$$
Notice that combining the first and last terms yields $\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+57}$ and combining the second and third terms yields $\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+85}.$ This is helpful because it allows us to substitute later on.

$$\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+85}+\frac{2x-22}{x^2-22x+57}=x-11.$$
Multiplying both sides by $\frac{1}{2x-22}$ (similar step done previously) to clean up the numerators, we have

$$\frac{1}{x^2-22x+85}+\frac{1}{x^2-22x+57}=\frac{1}{2}.$$
Now, substituting $y=x^2-22x+71,$ we have

$$\frac{1}{y+14}+\frac{1}{y-14}=\frac{1}{2}$$$$\frac{2y}{y^2-196}=\frac{1}{2}$$$$4y=y^2-196$$$$y^2-4y-196=0.$$
Using the quadratic formula yields $\frac{4\pm\sqrt{800}}{2}$ or $2\pm20\sqrt{2}.$ Since the problem asks for the largest root, we can ignore $2-2\sqrt{20}.$ Substituting $y=2+2\sqrt{20}$ into $y=x^2-22x+71,$ we have

$$2+2\sqrt{20}=x^2-22x+71$$$$x^2-22x+69-2\sqrt{200}=0.$$
Using the quadratic formula on this again, we have $x=11\pm\sqrt{52+\sqrt{200}},$ and since the problem asks for the largest root, it is obvious that $m=11+\sqrt{52+\sqrt{200}},$ so $a+b+c=\boxed{263}.$
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OlympusHero
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What's the motivation for adding $4$ to both sides? Was scrolling through thread and caught that it was first step, but how would I figure that out on the actual test?

Solution
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@above the RHS has $-4$, so you instinctively add. The trick is that you notice how it distributes to all the fractions in the first place.

How is this a #14????
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@above I think this is adequate for #14; this is probably one of the best alg manip problems I've ever seen that are "synthetic algebra". I think moving the 4 is intuitive once one has enough experience with manipulations because it leaves a nice $x(x-11)$ on the RHS, which is compatible with our initial substitution.

Let $y = x-11$, and notice that
\begin{align*}
\frac {11-8}{y+8} + \frac{11-6}{y+6} + \frac{11+6}{y-6} + \frac{11+8}{y-8} + 4 &= y(y+11) \\
\frac {11-8+y+8}{y+8} + \frac{11-6+y+6}{y+6} + \frac{11+6+y-6}{y-6} + \frac{11+8+y-8}{y-8} &= y(y+11) \\
\frac 1{y+8} + \frac 1{y+6} + \frac 1{y-6} + \frac 1{y-8} = y \\
\frac{2y}{y^2-36} + \frac{2y}{y^2-64} = y \\
\frac 1{y^2-36}+\frac 1{y^2-64} = \frac 12.
\end{align*}Now let $z=y^2$, such that $$z^2-104z+2504=0 \implies z = 52 \pm 10\sqrt 2.$$Now we want the largest solution, which is $$x = \boxed{11+\sqrt{52 + 10 \sqrt 2}}.$$We can extract the answer of $\boxed{263}$.
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This is one of my favorite AIME problems.
Solution (same as #2)
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I don't feel the need to add another solution, I just wanted to add modified the above solution by @rayfish by instead letting $y = x - 11$ to get $y^4 - 104y^2 + 2504 = 0 \implies y^2 = 52 \pm \sqrt{200} \implies x = 11 + \sqrt{52 + \sqrt{200}} \implies \boxed{263}$ is the answer.
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I unfortunately got the "add 4 to both sides" by randomly scrolling through this thread. Otherwise I got the solution. Very nice manipulations :) Unfortunately, I got it wrong 'cause I can't multiply.
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Note that $0$ and $11$ are solutions, but suppose momentarily that $x\notin\{0,11\}$.
Adding $4$ to both sides, we have:
$$\frac x{x-3}+\frac x{x-5}+\frac x{x-17}+\frac x{x-19}=\frac3{x-3}+1+\frac5{x-5}+1+\frac{17}{x-17}+1+\frac{19}{x-19}=x^2-11x$$$$\Rightarrow\frac1{x-3}+\frac1{x-5}+\frac1{x-17}+\frac1{x-19}=x-11.$$Let $y=x-11$. Then:
$$y=\frac1{y+6}+\frac1{y-6}+\frac1{y+8}+\frac1{y-8}=\frac{2y}{y^2-36}+\frac{2y}{y^2-64}$$$$\Rightarrow\frac12=\frac1{y^2-36}+\frac1{y^2-64}.$$Let $z=y^2-50$. Then:
$$\frac12=\frac1{z+14}+\frac1{z-14}=\frac{2z}{z^2-196}$$$$\Rightarrow z^2-4z-196=0\Rightarrow z=2\pm\sqrt{200}.$$Then $y=\pm\sqrt{37\pm\sqrt{200}}$ and $x=11\pm\sqrt{37\pm\sqrt{200}}$. The largest such real solution is $11+\sqrt{37+\sqrt{200}}$, which is greater than $0$ and $11$, so our answer is $11+37+200=\boxed{248}$.
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Find the largest real number $x$ satisfying
\[ \frac{3}{x-3} + \frac{5}{x-5} + \frac{17}{x-17}
+ \frac{19}{x-19} = x^2-11x-4.  \]
Adding $4$ to both sides, we obtain
\begin{align*}
    x(x-11) &= \frac{3}{x-3} + \frac{5}{x-5} + \frac{17}{x-17}
+ \frac{19}{x-19}+4 \\
&= \frac{3+(x-3)}{x-3}+\frac{5+(x-5)}{x-5}+\frac{17+(x-17)}{x-17}+\frac{19+(x-19)}{x-19} \\
&=\frac{x}{x-3}+\frac{x}{x-5}+\frac{x}{x-17}+\frac{x}{x-19} \\
\end{align*}and assuming $x \neq 0$ (we will find a larger solution), dividing by $x$ yields
\begin{align*}
x-11 &= \frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{x-5}+\frac{1}{x-17}+\frac{1}{x-19} \\
&= \left(\frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{x-19}\right) \left(\frac{1}{x-5}+\frac{1}{x-17}\right)\\
&= \frac{2x-22}{(x-3)(x-19)}+\frac{2x-22}{(x-5)(x-17)}\\
&= 2(x-11)\left(\frac{1}{x^2-22x+57}+\frac{1}{x^2-22x+85}\right)\\
\end{align*}upon which diving by $2(x-11)$ (assuming $x \neq 11$) and substituting $y=x^2-22x+71$ yields
$$\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{y-14}+\frac{1}{y+14}=\frac{2y}{y^2-196}$$$$y^2-196=4y\implies y=2 \pm 10\sqrt{2}.$$Since we want the largest real number $x,$ we take the positive root and finish: $$2+10\sqrt{2}=y=x^2-22x+71 \implies x=11 \pm \sqrt{52+10\sqrt{2}}.$$Thus, the largest value of $x$ is $11 + \sqrt{52+10\sqrt{2}}.$ Extract $\boxed{263}.$
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The solution to this problem is magic
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The symmetry just pops out at you when you see the problem
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in the otis unit this didn't have an answer extraction and i'm too lazy to change all of my $10\sqrt{2}$s into $\sqrt{200}$s so yeah

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It's easily deduced by moving over the four that $$\frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{x-5}+\frac{1}{x-17}+\frac{1}{x-19}=x-11\iff \frac{2}{(x-3)(x-19)}+\frac{2}{(x-5)(x-17)}=1.$$This is well motivated because it's very common when there are fractions with pairwise sums to be the same that we combine denominators of some to manipulate. From here, just substitute $y=x^2-22x+c$ (you can choose any c you want, it'll work) and solving for y solves the problem.
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Add $4$ to both sides and divide by $x$ to get
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\[\frac{1}{x - 3} + \frac{1}{x - 5} + \frac{1}{x-17} + \frac{1}{x-19} = x - 11\]and then cross multiplying and dividing by $x - 11$ gives
\[\frac{2}{(x-3)(x-19)} + \frac{2}{(x-5)(x-17)} = 1\]Then let $y = x + 11$, so we have
\[\frac{2}{(y^2 - 64)} + \frac{2}{(y^2 - 36)} = 1 \implies \]\[4y^2 - 200 = (y^2 - 64)(y^2 - 36)\]Now, let $z = y^2$.
\[4z - 200 = (z - 64)(z - 36) \implies z^2 - 104z + 2504 = 0 \implies z = 52 + 10\sqrt{2}\]
So $x = 11 + \sqrt{52 + 10\sqrt{2}} \implies 263$ is our answer.
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get rid of the 4 on the rhs and add one to each term on the left to get $\sum_{i=3, 5, 17, 19} \frac{1}{x-i} = x-11$. On the rhs pair up the terms with sum $22$ to get $\frac{1}{(x-3)(x-19)} + \frac{1}{(x-5)(x-17)} = \frac12$. Then just notice both are symmetric around $x-11$, so let $y=x-11$ and from here it is a very straightfroward classical problem.
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