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k a My Retirement & New Leadership at AoPS
rrusczyk   1571
N Mar 26, 2025 by SmartGroot
I write today to announce my retirement as CEO from Art of Problem Solving. When I founded AoPS 22 years ago, I never imagined that we would reach so many students and families, or that we would find so many channels through which we discover, inspire, and train the great problem solvers of the next generation. I am very proud of all we have accomplished and I’m thankful for the many supporters who provided inspiration and encouragement along the way. I'm particularly grateful to all of the wonderful members of the AoPS Community!

I’m delighted to introduce our new leaders - Ben Kornell and Andrew Sutherland. Ben has extensive experience in education and edtech prior to joining AoPS as my successor as CEO, including starting like I did as a classroom teacher. He has a deep understanding of the value of our work because he’s an AoPS parent! Meanwhile, Andrew and I have common roots as founders of education companies; he launched Quizlet at age 15! His journey from founder to MIT to technology and product leader as our Chief Product Officer traces a pathway many of our students will follow in the years to come.

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And special thanks to all of the amazing AoPS team members who have helped build AoPS. We’ve come a long way from here:IMAGE
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k a March Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1} \end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*} a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\ a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\ a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\ a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\ \frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\ \frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\ \frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0). \end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*} z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\ z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0 \end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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LauraZed   0
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Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
Welcome to the Middle School Math Forum! Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the rules.

Overview:
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In the plane, there are two line segments $AB$ and $CD$, with $AB \neq CD$. Prove that there exists and only exists one point $P$ such that $\triangle PAB \sim \triangle PCD$.
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Source: 2024 AlborzMO P4
In triangle \( ABC \), let \( I \) be the \( A \)-excenter. Points \( X \) and \( Y \) are placed on line \( BC \) such that \( B \) is between \( X \) and \( C \), and \( C \) is between \( Y \) and \( B \). Moreover, \( B \) and \( C \) are the contact points of \( BC \) with the \( A \)-excircle of triangles \( BAY \) and \( AXC \), respectively. Let \( J \) be the \( A \)-excenter of triangle \( AXY \), and let \( H' \) be the reflection of the orthocenter of triangle \( ABC \) with respect to its circumcenter. Prove that \( I \), \( J \), and \( H' \) are collinear.

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Here is my first article about Desargues Involution Theorem. Any suggestions or ideas for the next articles would be appreciated.

Enjoy Reading!

EDIT : Added synthetic proof of Theorem 1.4 by TinaSprout.

EDIT2: Attached the v2 version.
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Let a,b,c be positive real numbers such that x +y+z = 3. Prove that
yx^3 +zy^3+xz^3+9xyz≤ 12.
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if x/(3^3+4^3) + y/(3^3+6^3) =1

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x/(5^3+4^3) + y/(5^3+6^3) =1

find the 2 values of x and y.
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Ill be posting questions once in a while. Here's the first question:

What fraction of numbers from $1$ to $1000$ have the digit $7$ and are divisible by $3$?
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I am practicing previous years' MathCount papers, but they seem to get progressively harder each year.

So, for those of you who scored well in Mathcounts, how many sprint questions are/were you able to do in State/Nationals?

I want to get a sense of where I stand.

Thanks in advance!
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Bogus Proof Marathon
pifinity   7533
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Hi!
I'd like to introduce the Bogus Proof Marathon.

In this marathon, simply post a bogus proof that is middle-school level and the next person will find the error. You don't have to post the real solution :P

Use classic Marathon format: 
[hide=P#]a1b2c3[/hide]
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Example posts:

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Let's go!! Just don't make it too hard!
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A retirement to be celebrated...
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Hello Middle School Math!
In case you have not seen the post in the global announcements, Richard Rusczyk is retiring his position as the founder of AOPS!
I would like to respect him in this thread because without him, there would not be a friendly place to chat about math problems, and make friends!

Thank you!


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Something Horrible-a Challenge
Xueshuxue   18
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Hello, I was wondering if it's possible to make 8 with the numbers 5, 3, 5, and 7 under the following rules:
-You can only use 5 twice, 3 once, and 7 once.
-You must use all the numbers.
You can stack numbers to form larger numbers (example: I could take 3 and 5 and turn it into 35 or 53, or use 7, 3, and 5 to make 375.)
-You are allowed to use parentheses.
(Also, I already found out that no 3 digital numbers will work for the solution.)
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Hi everyone!

So I am currently in grade 6, and if anyone could give any tips for getting high scores in math competition, that would be great!

I haven't been doing so well in AMC 8, and other competitions like Math Kangaroo, etc....

I feel like i'm stuck, so if anyone could give any resources that helped you learn and score better, could you share that with me?

Thank you so much!

( also how much time should i spend on math every day? )
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I was wondering what I could use to practice for Mathcount Target rounds because my sprint is normally 23-25+ (Depending on the level: This is for Chapter, but some times for states) but my target is normally 8-10 (Depending on the level: This is normally for states and some time Nats) and I want that to go up to 12-14 So I was wondering what are some good resources to build that problem solving knowledge for target, and some resources that will help me learn the complex problems on there mostly for Geometry and Algebra.
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Hi everyone, let me introduce the similar triangles marathon.
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Chances at nats? Mathcounts
iwillregretthisnamelater   12
N Yesterday at 1:41 PM by PuppyPenguinDolphin
Iowa, 38 on chapter, first in written and countdown and I’m just another person asking for nats chances.
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N Mar 26, 2025 by pco
Find all functions \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) satisfying the equation for all real numbers \( x, y \):
\[ f(x^2 + y + f(y)) = f(x)^2 \]
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#1 h  Mar 26, 2025, 1:26 PM
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Find all functions \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) satisfying the equation for all real numbers \( x, y \):
\[ f(x^2 + y + f(y)) = f(x)^2 \]
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#2 h  Mar 26, 2025, 5:15 PM
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Any idea? Where are you, Pco?
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#4 h  Mar 26, 2025, 5:29 PM • 2 Y
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MuradSafarli wrote:
Find all functions \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) satisfying the equation for all real numbers \( x, y \):
\[ f(x^2 + y + f(y)) = f(x)^2 \]
Let $P(x,y)$ be the assertion $f(x^2+y+f(y))=f(x)^2$

Let $U=\{x+f(x)\quad\forall x\in\mathbb R\}$
In the following, letters $u,v,w,u_i,v_i,w_i$ always describe elements of $U$

1) Assertion $Q(x,u,v)$ : $f(x+u-v)=f(x)$ $\forall x\ge v$
Proof

2) $\exists v_0\in U$ and $\Delta>0$ such that $f(x+\Delta)=f(x)$ $\forall x\ge v_0$
Proof

3) Assertion $R(x,u,v)$ : $f(x+u-v)=f(x)$ $\forall u,v\in U$ such that $u\ge v$ and $\forall x\ge v_0$
Proof

4) $f(x+2\Delta y+\Delta^2)=f(x)$ $\forall x,y\ge v_0, y\ge 0$
Proof

5) $f(x)=f(y)=c$ constant $\forall x,y\ge v_0$
Proof

6) Solutions : $\boxed{\text{S1 : }f(x)=0\quad\forall x}$ and $\boxed{\text{S2 : }f(x)=1\quad\forall x}$
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