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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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Arr0w
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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Looking for someone to work with
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N 3 minutes ago by wipid98
I’m looking for a motivated study partner (or small group) to collaborate on college-level competition math problems, particularly from contests like the Putnam, IMO Shortlist, IMC, and similar. My goal is to improve problem-solving skills, explore advanced topics (e.g., combinatorics, NT, analysis), and prepare for upcoming competitions. I’m new to contests but have a strong general math background(CPGE in Morocco). If interested, reply here or DM me to discuss
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USAMO 1983 Problem 2 - Roots of Quintic
Binomial-theorem   33
N 39 minutes ago by SomeonecoolLovesMaths
Source: USAMO 1983 Problem 2
Prove that the roots of\[x^5 + ax^4 + bx^3 + cx^2 + dx + e = 0\] cannot all be real if $2a^2 < 5b$.
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Isogonal Conjugates of Nagel and Gergonne Point
SerdarBozdag   4
N 2 hours ago by zuat.e
Source: http://math.fau.edu/yiu/Oldwebsites/Geometry2013Fall/Geometry2013Chapter12.pdf
Proposition 12.1.
(a) The isogonal conjugate of the Gergonne point is the insimilicenter of
the circumcircle and the incircle.
(b) The isogonal conjugate of the Nagel point is the exsimilicenter of the circumcircle and
the incircle.
Note: I need synthetic solution.
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Compact powers of 2
NO_SQUARES   1
N 2 hours ago by Isolemma
Source: 239 MO 2025 8-9 p3 = 10-11 p2
Let's call a power of two compact if it can be represented as the sum of no more than $10^9$ not necessarily distinct factorials of positive integer numbers. Prove that the set of compact powers of two is finite.
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May 5, 2025
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Summer math contest prep
Abby0618   15
N 3 hours ago by Abby0618
School is almost out, so I have a lot of time in the summer. I want to be able to make DHR on AMC 8 in 7th grade

(current 6th grader) and hopefully get an average score in AMC 10. What should I do during the summer to achieve

these goals? For context, I have many books from AOPS, have already taken the Intro to Algebra A course, and took

AMC 8 for the first time as a 6th grader. If there are any challenging math problems you think would benefit learning,

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1434th post
vincentwant   20
N 3 hours ago by Sedro
This is my 1434th post. Here are some of my favorite (non-1434-related) problems that I wrote for various contests over the past few years. A $\star$ indicates my favorites.

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A function $f(x)$ is defined over the positive integers as follows: $f(1)=0$, $f(p^n)=n$ for $p$ prime, and for all relatively prime positive integers $a$ and $b$, $f(ab)=f(a)f(b)+f(a)+f(b)$. If $N$ is the smallest positive integer such that $f(N)=20$, find the units digit of $N$.

$\textbf{(A)} ~0 \qquad\textbf{(B)} ~2 \qquad\textbf{(C)} ~4 \qquad\textbf{(D)} ~6 \qquad\textbf{(E)} ~8$

(2023 VMAMC 10 #23)

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$\star$ If convex quadrilateral $ABCD$ satisfies $AB=6$, $\angle CAB=30^{\circ}$, $\angle CDB=60^{\circ}$, $\angle BCD-\angle ABC=30^{\circ}$, and $CD=1$, what is the value of $BC^2$? Express your answer in simplest radical form.

(2024 STNUOCHTAM Sprint #30)

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Let $N=1!\cdot2!\cdot4!\cdot8!\cdots(2^{1000})!$ and $d$ be the greatest odd divisor of $N$. Let $f(n)$ for even $n$ denote the product of every odd positive integer less than $n$. If $d=f(a_1)^{b_1}f(a_2)^{b_2}f(a_3)^{b_3}\cdots f(a_k)^{b_k}$ for positive integers $a_1,a_2,\dots,a_k$ and $b_1,b_2,\dots,b_k$ where $k$ is minimized, find the number of divisors of $a_1a_2a_3\cdots a_k{}$.

(2024 STNUOCHTAM Sprint #29)

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$\star$ There exists exactly one positive real number $k$ such that the graph of the equation $\frac{x^3+y^3}{xy-k}=k$ consists of a line and a point not on the line. The distance from the point to the line can be expressed as $\frac{a}{\sqrt{b}}$, where $a$ and $b$ are positive integers and $b$ is not divisible by any square greater than $1$. Find $a+b$.

(2023-2024 WOOT AIME 3 #12)

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Let $a\odot b=\frac{4ab}{a+b+2\sqrt{ab}}$. If $x,y,z,k$ are positive real numbers such that $x\odot y=4z$, $x\odot z=\frac{9}{4}y$, and $y\odot z=kx$, find $k$. Express your answer as a common fraction.

(2024 STNUOCHTAM Sprint #26)

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$\star$ Let $ABCDE$ be a convex pentagon satisfying $AB = BC = CD = DE$, $\angle ABC = \angle CDE$, $\angle EAB = \angle AED = \frac{1}{2}\angle BCD$. Let $X$ be the intersection of lines $AB$ and $CD$. If $\triangle BCX$ has a perimeter of $18$ and an area of $11$, find the area of $ABCDE$.

$\textbf{(A)} ~136 \qquad\textbf{(B)} ~137 \qquad\textbf{(C)} ~138 \qquad\textbf{(D)} ~139 \qquad\textbf{(E)} ~140$

(2024 TMC AMC 10 #25)

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$\star$ Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be an acute scalene triangle with longest side $AC$. Let $O$ be the circumcenter of $\triangle{ABC}$. Points $X$ and $Y$ are chosen on $AC$ such that $OX\perp BC$ and $OY\perp AB$. If $AX=7$, $XY=8$, and $YC=9$, the area of the circumcircle of $\triangle{ABC}$ can be expressed as $k\pi$. Find $k$.

$\textbf{(A)} ~145\qquad \textbf{(B)} ~148\qquad \textbf{(C)} ~153\qquad \textbf{(D)} ~157\qquad \textbf{(E)} ~162\qquad$

(2024 XCMC 10 #23)

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Find the sum of the digits of the unique prime number $p\geq 31$ such that $$\binom{p^2-1}{846}+\binom{p^2-2}{846}$$is divisible by $p$.

$\textbf{(A)} ~7\qquad \textbf{(B)} ~8\qquad \textbf{(C)} ~10\qquad \textbf{(D)} ~11\qquad \textbf{(E)} ~13\qquad$

(2024 XCMC 10 #24)

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$\star$ Alex has a $4$ by $4$ grid of squares. Let $N$ be the number of ways that Alex can fill out each square with one of the letters $A$, $B$, $C$, or $D$ such that in every row and column, the number of $A$'s and $B$'s are the same, and the number of $C$'s and $D$'s are the same. (For example, a row with squares labeled $BDAC$ or $DCCD$ is valid, while a row with squares labeled $ACDA$ or $CBCB$ is not valid.) Find the remainder when $N$ is divided by $7$.

$\textbf{(A)} ~0\qquad \textbf{(B)} ~1\qquad \textbf{(C)} ~3\qquad \textbf{(D)} ~4\qquad \textbf{(E)} ~6\qquad$

(2024 XCMC 10 #25)

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How many ways are there to divide a $4$ by $4$ grid of squares along the gridlines into two or more pieces such that if three pieces meet at a point $P$, then there are actually four pieces with a vertex at $P$? An example is shown below.

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(2025 ELMOCOUNTS CDR #19)

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How many ways are there to label each cell of a 4-by-4 grid of squares with either 1, 2, 3, or 4 such that no two adjacent cells have the same label and no two adjacent cells have labels that sum to 5?

(2025 ELMOCOUNTS Sprint #20)

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Let $a,b,c,d,e,f$ be real numbers satisfying the system of equations
$$\begin{cases}
a+b+c+d+e+f=1 \\
a+2b+3c+4d+5e+6f=2 \\
a+3b+6c+10d+15e+21f=4 \\
a+4b+10c+20d+35e+56f=8 \\
a+5b+15c+35d+70e+126f=16 \\
a+6b+21c+56d+126e+252f=32. \\
\end{cases}$$What is the value of $a+3b+9c+27d+81e+243f$?

(2025 ELMOCOUNTS Sprint #26)

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There are seven students at a camp. There are seven classes available and each student chooses some of the classes to take. Every student must choose at least two classes. How many ways are there for the students to choose the classes such that each pair of classes has exactly one student in common?

(2025 ELMOCOUNTS Team #8)

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$\star$ In $\triangle{ABC}$, the incircle is tangent to $\overline{BC}$ at $D$, and $E$ is the reflection of $D$ across the midpoint of $\overline{BC}$. Suppose that the inradii of $\triangle ABE$ and $\triangle ACE$ are $4$ and $11$ respectively, and the distance between their incenters is $25$. What is the inradius of $\triangle{ABC}$? Express your answer as a common fraction.

(2025 ELMOCOUNTS Team #10)

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Let $n$ be a positive integer and let $S$ be the set of all $n$-tuples of $0$'s and $1$'s. Two elements of $S$ are said to be neighboring if and only if they differ in only one coordinate. Bob colors the elements of $S$ red and blue such that each blue $n$-tuple is neighboring to exactly two red $n$-tuples and no two red $n$-tuples neighbor each other. If $n>100$, find the least possible value of $n$.

(2025 ELMOCOUNTS Target #6)
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vincentwant
May 25, 2025
Sedro
3 hours ago
Mathletes Corner Summer Camp 2025
GP102   1
N 5 hours ago by AbhayAttarde01
Hello Everybody!
So most of math season has recently come to an end with mathcounts nats having finished over 2 weeks ago.

I'm sure a lot of you are planning to continue preparing this summer not only for competitions like MATHCOUNTS/AMC8 but also some relatively more advanced comps like AMC10/AMC12.
This summer I am planning to host a summer camp to help out with the preparation. I have attached the flyer to the camp below.

Credentials
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GP102
Today at 4:28 PM
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Mathcounts Nationals Written Score Hub
DhruvJha   79
N Today at 4:15 PM by Elephant12
Put in your estimated score on the written nats comp on Sunday after the comp so we can get a good idea of the cdr quals are
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Combo Bash
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N Today at 3:02 PM by K1mchi_
Devin and Cowen are playing a game where they take turns flipping a biased coin. The coin lands on heads with probability 2/3 and tails with probability 1/3. Devin goes first. On each turn, the current player flips the coin repeatedly until the coin lands tails. For each heads flipped, the player gains 1 point and continues flipping. If the coin lands tails, their turn ends, and the other player takes their turn. The first player to reach 3 points wins the game immediately. What is the probability that Devin wins the game? Express your answer as a common fraction in lowest terms.
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DhruvJha
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K1mchi_
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cant understand so dumb
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N Today at 2:59 PM by K1mchi_
am i stupid or smth

2001 AMC 10

Pat wants to buy four donuts from an ample supply of three types of donuts: glazed, chocolate, and powdered. How many different selections are possible?

umm why isnt it 3^4
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9 How many squares do you have memorized
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N Today at 2:42 PM by Solocraftsolo
How many squares have you memorized. I have 1-20

Edit: to clarify i mean positive squares from 1 so if you say ten you mean you memorized the squares 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10
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N Today at 2:38 PM by PikaPika999
1. How many ways can you arrange the letters in the word ALGEBRA such that no two identical letters are adjacent?

2. Find the smallest positive integer n such that $n^2+n+41$ is not a prime number.

3. You have 4 red tiles, 3 blue tiles, and 2 green tiles. How many ways can you arrange them in a row such that no two tiles of the same color are adjacent?

4. You flip a fair coin repeatedly until you either get 3 tails or 4 heads. What is the expected value of the number of flips before stopping?

5. Let $A(2,3)$ and $B(8,7)$ be two points in the coordinate plane. A circle is drawn such that $\overline{AB}$ is a diameter.

(a). Find the equation of the circle in the form $(x+a)^2+(y+b)^2=r^2$

(b). The are two tangents to the circle that pass through the point $P(10,10)$. Find the equation of these lines.

hopefully these problems weren't too easy lol

also,
Please tell me if any of these problems have any flaws! (also please put your answers in hide tags or quote tags)
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Website to learn math
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N Today at 12:48 PM by TalentedElephant41
Hi, I'm kinda curious what website do yall use to learn math, like i dont find any website thats fun to learn math
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SOLVE: Geometry Problem AMC 8 Style
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Quadrilateral $ABCD$ is inscribed in a circle with radius $6$. $\angle{DAB} = \angle{DCB} = 90^\circ$. $\angle{CDB} = \angle{DBC} = 45^\circ$. $\angle{ADB} = 60^\circ$. What is the area of the Quadrilateral $ABCD$?

$A) 18\sqrt3+18$
$B) 18\sqrt3+36$
$C) 36\sqrt3+36$
$D) 36\sqrt3+72$
$E) 72\sqrt3+36$
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Composite sum
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N Apr 23, 2025 by YaoAOPS
Source: INDIA IMOTC-2006 TST1 PROBLEM-2; IMO Shortlist 2005 problem N3
Let $ a$, $ b$, $ c$, $ d$, $ e$, $ f$ be positive integers and let $ S = a+b+c+d+e+f$.
Suppose that the number $ S$ divides $ abc+def$ and $ ab+bc+ca-de-ef-df$. Prove that $ S$ is composite.
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Composite sum
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Let $ a$, $ b$, $ c$, $ d$, $ e$, $ f$ be positive integers and let $ S = a+b+c+d+e+f$.
Suppose that the number $ S$ divides $ abc+def$ and $ ab+bc+ca-de-ef-df$. Prove that $ S$ is composite.
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All the coefficients of $f(x)=(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)-(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)=$ $Sx^2+(ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd)x+(abc+def)$ are multiples of $S$. Evaluating $f$ at $d$ we get that $f(d)=(a+d)(b+d)(c+d)$ is a multiple of $S$.
So this implies that $S$ is composite, since $a+d,b+d,c+d$ are all strictly less than $S$.

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My solution (some kind of minimality idea).

Suppose $S$ is prime.
We observe that if $(a, b, c, d, e ,f)$ is a solution then $(a-1, b-1, c-1, d+1, e+1, f+1)$ is also a solution. Note that $S$ does not change. Denote $X=\min\{a,b,c\}$. We can claim that $(a-X, b-X, c-X, d+X, e+X, f+X)$ also satisfies the conditions.
So we get $S \mid (d+X)(e+X)(f+X)$. But this is impossible, since $d+X,e+X, f+X$ are all $<S$. :)
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Well, note $(a+d)(b+d)(c+d)=A+dB+d^2S$ now so we get $S|(a+d)(b+d)(c+d)$ , suppose $S$ is prime then it must be less than one of $a+d,b+d,c+d$ but as $S=a+b+c+d$ so absurd and done.
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Assume $S$ is a prime. Then $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)$ and $(x+d)(x+e)(x+f)$ are the same polynomial, mod $S$, so by Lagrange's theorem $\{a,b,c\} = \{-d,-e,-f\}$. Thus $a+b+c+d+e+f \ge 3S > S$.
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For the sake of contradiction, let $S$ be prime. Note $S$ divides $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c) - (x+d)(x+e)(x+f)$. Substitute $x= a,b,c,-d,-e,-f,$ we get $S$ divides $(d+a)(d+b)(d+c) , (e+a)(e+b)(e+c), (f+a)(f+b)(f+c)$ and

$S|(a+d)(a+e)(a+f)$
$S|(b+d)(b+e)(b+f)$
$S|(c+d)(c+e)(c+f)$

From the first set of 3 conditions, WLOG, we can let $S|(a+d)$, $S|(b+e)$ and $S|(c+f)$. However, each of $(a+d),(b+e), (c+f)$ are smaller than $S$, a contradiction.
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Let $p$ be a fixed prime. We say a $6$-tuple $(a,b,c,d,e,f)$ of integers is good if $a+b+c+d+e+f = p$ and $p \mid abc+def$ and $p \mid ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd$.

Claim: If $(a,b,c,d,e,f)$ is good then so is $(a+1, b+1, c+1, d-1, e-1, f-1)$.

Proof. Direct computation. $\blacksquare$

We claim there exists no good $6$-tuple of positive integers. If not, WLOG $f$ is the smallest of the six numbers. Then by repeating the claim, the tuple $(a+f, b+f, c+f, d-f, e-f, 0)$ is good. But now $p \mid (a+f)(b+f)(c+f)$ and $p > \max(a+f, b+f, c+f)$, contradiction.
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We see that
\begin{align*}
a+b+c&\equiv -(d+e+f)\pmod{S} \\
ab+bc+ca&\equiv -(de+ef+fd)\pmod{S} \\
abc &\equiv -def\pmod{S}.
\end{align*}Now, assuming that $S$ is prime, we see that
\[(X-a)(X-b)(X-c)=(X+d)(X+e)(X+f)\]over $\mathbb{F}_S[X]$, so because of unique factorization, we have WLOG that $a\equiv -d\pmod{S}$, $b\equiv -e\pmod{S}$, and $c\equiv -f\pmod{S}$. In particular, this means that $S\mid a+d$. However, $S>a+d$, so this isn't possible. Therefore, $S$ couldn't have been prime to start with. $\blacksquare$
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AFSOC $S = p$ for some prime $p$. Define \begin{align*}
    P(x) &= (x + a)(x + b)(x + c) = x^3 + x^2(a + b + c) + x(ab + bc + ca) + abc \\
    Q(x) &= (x - d)(x - e)(x - f) = x^3 - x^2(d + e + f) + x(de + ef + fd) - def,
\end{align*}and consider \begin{align*}
    R(x) &= P(x) - Q(x) \\
    &= x^2 \cdot p + x(ab + bc + ca - de - ef - fd) + abc + def.
\end{align*}Taking mod $p$, we find that $P(x) \equiv Q(x) \pmod p$.

However, plug in $x = d$. We know $Q$ has a root at $d$, so \begin{align*}
    P(d) = (d + a)(d + b)(d + c) \equiv 0\pmod p,
\end{align*}but $p > d + a, d + b, d + c$ and so we are done.
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$S\geq6$, so assume for the sake of contradiction that $S$ is prime. Let $P(x)\coloneqq (x-a)(x-b)(x-c)$ and $Q(x)\coloneqq (x+a)(x+b)(x+c)$. Multiplying out, we get that $P(x)\equiv Q(x)\;(\text{mod}\,S)$ for all integers $x$. In particular, we get that for an integer $x$, $S$ divides $P(x)$ if and only if $S$ divides $Q(x)$, which, because $S$ is assumed to be a prime, means that $\{a, b, c\}$ is just some permutation of $\{-d, -e, -f\}$ modulo $S$. WLOG, assume that $a\equiv -d$, $b\equiv -e$ and $c\equiv -f$ modulo $S$. But this means that $a+d$, $b+e$ and $c+f$ are all multiples of $S$, which is impossible, because they are positive integers which sum up to $S$.
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Note that $(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)-(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)$ has all of its coefficients divisible by $S$. This implies $S|(d+a)(d+b)(d+c)$. FTSOC assume $S$ is prime. Then it must divide either $d+a,d+b,d+c$, all of which are smaller than $S$, a contradiction, so we are done.
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Assume for the sake of contradiction that $S$ is prime. Notice that $$S \mid (a+k)(b+k)(c+k)+(d-k)(e-k)(f-k)$$for all $k \in \mathbb{Z}$.
Then taking $k$ to be $-a,-b,-c$ we have that $\{d,e,f\} = \{-a,-b,-c\}$ in $\mathbb{F}_S$ using that $S$ is prime, yet, adding any such values of $a,b,c,d,e,f$, we have that $$S = a+b+c+d+e+f \geq 3S$$which is a contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Suppose that $S$ is a prime and let $x=-d,y=-e,z=-f$,so that $abc \equiv xyz \pmod S$
Now consider the polynomial $ (a+k)(b+k)(c+k)+(d-k)(e-k)(f-k)$ and clearly inputting $x,y,z$ implies $S|(a+d)(a+e)(a+f)$,which implies that $S$ divides one of $(a+d),(a+e),(a+f)$,a contradiction.
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Note that the polynomial $f(x) = (x-a)(x-b)(x-c)-(x+d)(x+e)(x+f) = (ab+ac+bc-de-ef-df)x-(abc+def)$ is divisible by $S$ for all integers $x$. Thus,
\[S\mid f(a) = -(a+d)(a+e)(a+f)\]To finish, $S$ cannot be prime because $a+d,a+e,a+f<a+b+c+d+e+f = S$, so we're done. $\blacksquare$.
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Notice \begin{align*}S\mid f(x)&=Sx^2+(ab+bc+ca-de-df-fd)x+(abc+def)\\&=(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)-(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)\end{align*}Letting $x=d,$ we have $S\mid (d+a)(d+b)(d+c),$ which is absurd if $S$ is prime as $S>d+a,d+b,d+c.$ $\square$
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Assume for the sake of contradiction $S$ is prime, and take polynomials $P(x)=(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)$ and $Q(x)=(x+d)(x+e)(x+f).$ Note that \[P(x)\equiv x^3 - (a+b+c)x^2 + (ab+bc+ca)x-abc \pmod S\]Note that on the other hand, \[Q(x)\equiv x^3 + (d+e+f)x^2 + (de+ef+fd)x+def \pmod S\]Now, $Q(x)-P(x)=Sx^2+(de+ef+fd-ab-bc-ca)x+abc+def.$ Note that this is divisible by $S.$ In particular, $Q(a)-P(a)=(a+d)(a+e)(a+f)$ is divisible by $S.$ Note that each of those factors are less than $S$ but $S$ is prime, which is a contradiction.
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Observe that we have the system of congruences
\begin{align*}
a+b+c &\equiv -d-e-f \pmod S \\
ab+bc+ca &\equiv de+ef+fd \pmod S \\
abc &\equiv -def \pmod S.
\end{align*}This means that $$(x-a)(x-b)(x-c) \equiv (x+d)(x+e)(x+f) \pmod S$$for all $x \in \mathbb Z$ as the resulting polynomials are equivalent under modulo $S$. Letting $x=a$, $$S \mid (a+d)(a+e)(a+f),$$but $a+d, a+e, a+f < S$, and thus $S$ must be composite.
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Suppose otherwise that $S$ is prime $p$. Then we have the following equations.
\begin{align*} 
a+b+c \equiv -(d+e+f) \pmod p \\ 
ab+bc+ca \equiv de+ef+df \pmod p \\ 
abc \equiv -def \pmod p 
\end{align*}We will construct numbers $a_1,b_1, c_1, d_1, e_1, f_1$ such that:
\begin{align*} 
a_1+b_1+c_1 \equiv -(d_1+e_1+f_1) \pmod p \\ 
a_1b_1+b_1c_1+c_1a_1 \equiv d_1e_1+e_1f_1+d_1f_1 \pmod p \\ 
a_1b_1c_1 \equiv -d_1e_1f_1 \pmod p 
\end{align*}In fact, this is not so hard to do. It is just enough to take $a_1=a+1, b_1=b+1, c_1 =c_1$ and $d_1 =d-1, e_1 =e-1, f_1 =f-1$. It is easy to see that they satisfy the first congruence. Note that:
\begin{align*} 
(a+1)(b+1)+(b+1)(c+1)+(c+1)(a+1) \equiv (d-1)(e-1)+(e-1)(f-1)+(f-1)(d-1) \pmod p\\ 
ab+bc+ca +2(a+b+c)+3 \equiv de+ef+fd -2(d+e+f)+3 \pmod p
\end{align*}We see that the second desired congruence is also satisfied by given congruences. Also, observe that:
\begin{align*} 
(a+1)(b+1)(c+1) \equiv -(d-1)(e-1)(f-1)  \pmod p \\
a+b+c+(ab+bc+ca)+abc+1 \equiv -((d+e+f)-(de+ef+fd)+def-1) \pmod p \\
(a+b+c+de+f) +(ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd)+(abc+def) \equiv 0 \pmod p
\end{align*}We see that the third desired congruence is also satisfied by given congruences.

Since $a,b,c, d,e,f$ are positive integers and their sum it $p$, then they all are less than $p$. WLOG $a$ is the largest among $a,b,c$. With each construction we increase $a,b,c$ by $1$ and decrease $d,e,f$ by $1$. We can keep doing it until $a$ becomes $p$. Suppose that we needed for that $k$ constructions, in other words $a+k =p=a_k$. Consider congruence:
$$ a_kb_kc_k \equiv d_ke_kf_k \equiv 0 \pmod p $$We see that it implies that $d_ke_kf_k \equiv 0 \pmod p$. WLOG assume that $d_k = d-k$ is the one which is divisible by $p$. Then $0 \equiv a_k + d_k = a+k+d-k = a+ d \pmod p$, which is contradiction, since it forces $b,c,e,f$ to be $0$.

Our initial assumption was wrong, therefore $S$ composite as desired.
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I'm not smart as others to see that you can really form a polynomial... Anyways here is a solution by induction which kind of makes the polynomial in a different way which I feel is intuitive too...

Solution. Assume on the contrary that $S$ is prime. We will make use of these handy identities in the solution.
\begin{align}
        (a+1)(b+1)(c+1) &= abc + (ab+bc+ca) + (a+b+c) + 1 \\
        (d-k)(e-k)(f-k) &= def - (de+ef+df) + (d+e+f) - 1
    \end{align}The following claim is the crux of the problem.

Claim: $S \mid (a+x)(b+x)(c+x) + (d-x)(e-x)(f-x)$ for all $x \in \mathbb{Z}_{\ge 0}$.

Proof: The proof is by induction with the base case being trivial. As an induction hypothesis, assume that $S \mid (a+k)(b+k)(c+k) + (d-k)(e-k)(f-k)$. For ease of notation label $a+k = A$, $d - k = D$ and so on. Now finally for the inductive step, we will just work backward.
\begin{align*}
            S \mid (A+1)(B+1)(C+1) &+ (D-1)(E-1)(F-1) \\
            \iff S \mid (ABC + DEF) + (AB+BC+CA) &- (DE+EF+FA) + (A+B+C+\ldots)
        \end{align*}By the induction hypothesis, we will cancel of $ABC + DEF$ term. It is not hard to see that $S \mid (A+B+C+D+E+F)$ as well.
\begin{align*}
            \iff S \mid AB + BC + CA - DE - EF - FA
        \end{align*}It isn't hard to expand this out and realize its a tautology. So, the induction is complete.$\square$
Finally choose $x = d$. This would give
\[S = a + b + c + d + e + f \mid (a + d)(b + d)(c+d).\]Since $S$ is a prime, it must divide one of the factors. But since all the factors are positive and less than $S$, its the desired contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Let's allow $0$ as value of $d,e,f$.
FTSOC, let's assume that $S = p$ is a prime.
Here, \begin{align*}
S &= a+b+c+d+e+f\\ &= (a+1) + (b+1)+(c+1) + (d-1)+(e-1)+(f-1)
\end{align*}
Now, $p\mid a+b+c+d+e+f$, $p\mid abc+def$ and $p\mid ab+bc+ca-de-ef-df$. Summing these up gives, $$p\mid (a+1)(b+1)(c+1) + (d-1)(e-1)(f-1)$$Also, \begin{align*}
&\sum_{cyc}(a+1)(b+1) - \sum_{cyc}(d-1)(e-1)\\
=& ab+bc+ca-de-ef-df +2(a+b+c+d+e+f)
\end{align*}
Therefore, $\displaystyle p\mid \sum_{cyc}(a+1)(b+1) - \sum_{cyc}(d-1)(e-1)$.
So, if $(a,b,c,d,e,f)$ is a solution then, $(a+1, b+1, c+1, d-1,e-1,f-1)$ is also a solution with $S= p$.

Now we continue this process until one of the elements becomes $0$. WLOG that be $f$.
Then we will get, $p\mid abc$. But therefore $p$ must divide one of $a,b,c$ which isn't possible as, $p = a+b+c+d+e$. This gives a contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Suppose that $S$ was prime. Then the polynomials $(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)$ and $(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)$ have equivalent expansions modulo $p$, hence we must have $\{-a,-b,-c\} \equiv \{d,e,f\} \pmod{S} \implies \{S-a,S-b,S-c\}=\{d,e,f\}$. But then $d+e+f=3S-a-b-c \implies S=a+b+c+d+e+f=3S$: contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Consider $P(x)=(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)-(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)$

$P(x)=Sx^2+x(ab+bc+ca-ed-ef-df)+(abc+def) \implies S|P(x)$ $\forall x \in \mathbb{Z}$

$P(d)=(a+d)(b+d)(c+d)$ hence as $S|P(d)$. Now , $\mathrm{FTSOC}$ assume $S$ is prime, then as we have $S|(a+d)(b+d)(c+d)$ we have at least one of $(a+d), (b+d) , (c+d)> S$ but since $S=a+b+c+d+e+f$ this is absurd for $a,b,c,d,e, f \in \mathbb{Z}^{+}$ , hence our assumption false and hence $S$ is composite $\blacksquare$.
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We can rewrite the condition as
\[
(t-a)(t-b)(t-c) \equiv (t+d)(t+e)(t+f) \pmod{S}
\]for all integer $t$. Suppose for the sake of contradiction that $S$ was prime. Take $t=a$. Then, $S$ divides one of $a+d$, $a+e$, $a+f$. However, since $a,b,c,d,e,f$ are positive integers, that would mean that one of $a+d, a+e, a+f$ is equal to $S$. This is a contradiction as the rest of the variables could not be positive, so $S$ must be composite.
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math_comb01
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FTSOC let $S$ be a prime
$a+b+c \equiv -(d+e+f)$
$abc \equiv (-d)(-e)(-f)$
$ab+bc+ca \equiv (-d)(-e)+(-e)(-f)+(-d)(-f)$
In $\mathbb{F}_S$
$(x-a)(x-b)(x-c) \equiv (x+d)(x+e)(x+f)$
therefore $\{a,b,c\} \equiv \{-d,-e,-f\}$ in $\mathbb{F}_S$
$\therefore$ we're done.
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Thanks to torch for suggesting this problem to me!

Let $k$ be an integer. Note that $S$ divides the quantity $$abc + def + k(ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd) + k^2(a+b+c+d+e+f) + 1 - 1 = (a+k)(b+k)(c+k) - (d-k)(e-k)(f-k).$$Now there are $2$ cases.

Case 1: The smallest of $a,b,c,d,e,f$ is one of $a,b,c.$ WLOG suppose it is $a.$ Letting $k = -a$ gives $S \mid -(d+a)(e+a)(f+a),$ so switching the positive sign yields $$S \mid (d+a)(e+a)(f+a).$$If $S$ was prime, then it would have to divide at least one of these factors, say $d+a$ (the other cases are symmetrical to this). Then $a+b+c+d+e+f \mid d+a,$ which is a contradiction due to size issues.

Case 2: The smallest of $a,b,c,d,e,f$ is one of $d,e,f.$ WLOG suppose it is $d.$ Letting $k = d$ gives $S \mid (a+d)(b+d)(c+d),$ and repeat the size argument from the previous case.

Therefore, in any case, $S$ must be composite, as desired.
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PEKKA
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Used a whole bunch of ARCH Hints after 30 min of failing:
FTSOC $S=p$ for some prime $p.$
Let $d_0=-d, e_0=-e, f_0=-f.$ Then we get a vieta-like relation modulo $P.$ This implies that $a,b,c$ and $d_0,e_0,f_0$ are roots to the same polynomial with coefficients modulo $p.$
Now WLOG $a-d_0 \equiv 0\pmod{p},b-e_0 \equiv 0\pmod{p}, c-f_0 \equiv 0\pmod{p}.$
Therefore, $a+d, b+e, c+f$ are multiples of $p$
Therefore, $S=a+d+b+e+c+f=p(k)$ for some integer $k>1$ which violates the condition that $S=p,$ or $S$ is prime. Therefore $S$ must be composite.
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cursed_tangent1434
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Really cute problem. I'm surprised I found the nice solution! We consider ordered pairs of sets $(\{a,b,c\},\{d,e,f\})$ which satisfy the given conditions. We call such a pair a good pair and if $a+b+c+d+e+f=k$ then we say that it is a $k-$good pair. We start off by proving the following nice result about $k-$good pairs.

Claim : For all integers $k$ for which there exists a $k-$good pair $(\{a,b,c\},\{d,e,f\})$, the pairs $(\{a-1,b-1,c-1\},\{d+1,e+1,f+1\})$ and $(\{a+1,b+1,c+1\},\{d-1,e-1,f-1\})$ are also $k-$good.

Proof : It is not hard to see that they must be $k-$good if they are good at all, since the sum $a+b+c+d+e+f$ does not change in either instance. We show that if $(\{a,b,c\},\{d,e,f\})$ is good then the pair $(\{a-1,b-1,c-1\},\{d+1,e+1,f+1\})$ must also be good. This is a mere calculation. Note that,
\[    (a-1)(b-1)(c-1)+(d+1)(e+1)(f+1) = (abc+def) -(ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd) + (a+b+c+d+e+f)\]where each of the bracketed terms are known to be multiples of $a+b+c+d+e+f$. The proof of the other is entirely similar, so this finishes the proof of the claim.

We wish to show that there exists no $p-$good pairs for any prime $p$. By way of contradiction, say there exists such a prime $p$ and a $p-$good pair $(\{a,b,c\},\{d,e,f\})$. Then, WLOG say the minimum element of the set $\{a,b,c,d,e,f\}$ is $a$. By way of our claim, it follows that the pair $(\{0,b-a,c-a\},\{d+a,e+a,f+a\})$ is also $p-$good. Note that here, $d'=d+a$ , $e'=e+a$ and $f'=f+a$ are all positive integers. Then,
\[p|(0)(b-a)(c-a)+(d+a)(e+a)(f+a)=d'e'f'\]Since $p$ is a prime, this implies that $p$ divides one of $d'$ , $e'$ and $f'$. But, since $p=0 + (b-a) + (c-a) + (d+a) + (e+a) + (f+a)$ where the first 3 terms are non-negative and the last two terms are strictly positive,
\[p = (b-a) + (c-a) + (d+a) + (e+a) + (f+a) \ge d'+e'+f' > d',e',f' \]which is a clear contradiction. Thus, there cannot exist such a prime $p$ which proves the desired result.
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Same solution as everyone else.
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a bit silly, statement reminded me of usa tst 2021/1

Suppose FTSOC $a+b+c+d+e+f=p$.

Claim: For any integer $t$,
$$(a+t)(b+t)(c+t)+(d-t)(e-t)(f-t)\equiv 0\pmod p.$$
We have
$$(abc+def)+t(ab+ac+bc-de-df-ef)+t^2(a+b+c+d+e+f)+(t^3-t^3)\equiv 0\pmod{p}.$$
In particular, if $t=d$, then $p\mid (a+d)(b+d)(c+d)$. However, $a+d,b+d,c+d$ are all less than $p$, contradiction if $p$ is prime.

code golf because this is funny
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emi3.141592
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Suppose that \(S\) is prime. Observe that
\[
a + b + c \equiv -d - e - f \pmod{S}
\]\[
abc \equiv -def \pmod{S}
\]\[
ab + bc + ca \equiv de + ef + fd \pmod{S}
\]By Vieta, we have that for every positive integer \(n\), the following relation holds:
\[
(n + a)(n + b)(n + c) \equiv (n - d)(n - e)(n - f) \pmod{S}.
\]By setting \(n = -a\), we obtain that \(S\) divides one of the numbers \(-a-d\), \(-a-e\), or \(-a-f\).

By symmetry, we can assume without loss of generality that \(S \mid -a-d\). In particular, we have \(-d \equiv a \pmod{S}\), i.e., \(S \mid d+a\).

However, this is a contradiction, since
\[
a + d < a + b + c + d + e + f = S.
\]
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Note that by Vieta, we have $S \mid P(x) = (x-a)(x-b)(x-c) - (x+d)(x+e)(x+f)$.
But putting $x = a$ we get $S$ cannot be prime, qed.
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Assume for the sake of contradiction that $a+b+c+d+e+f$ is prime. Then, $a+b+c \equiv -d-e-f,$ $ab+bc+ca \equiv de+df+ef,$ and $abc \equiv -def,$ when taken modulo $a+b+c+d+e+f.$ Let $i_{1} \equiv -i,$ for $i \in \{a,b,c\}.$ It is clear that $a_{1}+b_{1}+c_{1} \equiv d+e+f,$ and $a_{1}b_{1}+a_{1}c_{1}+b_{1}c_{1} \equiv de+ef+df,$ and $a_{1}b_{1}c_{1} \equiv de+ef+df.$ So, $\{a_{1}, a_{2}, a_{3}\}, \{d, e, f\}$ are the solutions of some cubic modulo $p.$ But, by Lagrange's Theorem, this can only have at most $3$ solutions, so these sets are the same, in some order. So, $i+j \equiv 0,$ where $i \in \{a,b,c\},$ and $j \in \{d,e,f\}.$ But, then $i+j < a+b+c+d+e+f,$ so we have a contradiction.
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v_Enhance wrote:
Let $p$ be a fixed prime. We say a $6$-tuple $(a,b,c,d,e,f)$ of integers is good if $a+b+c+d+e+f = p$ and $p \mid abc+def$ and $p \mid ab+bc+ca-de-ef-fd$.

Claim: If $(a,b,c,d,e,f)$ is good then so is $(a+1, b+1, c+1, d-1, e-1, f-1)$.

Proof. Direct computation. $\blacksquare$

We claim there exists no good $6$-tuple of positive integers. If not, WLOG $f$ is the smallest of the six numbers. Then by repeating the claim, the tuple $(a+f, b+f, c+f, d-f, e-f, 0)$ is good. But now $p \mid (a+f)(b+f)(c+f)$ and $p > \max(a+f, b+f, c+f)$, contradiction.

When i first saw this problem on math class in 15 minutes i had exactly same solution as you :)
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Note that this implies that the polynomials $P(x) = (x + d)(x + e)(x + f), Q(x) = (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)$ are congruent modulo $S.$ Thus, $P(x) - Q(x) \equiv 0\pmod S.$ However, $P(a) - Q(a) = (a + d)(a + e)(a + f) \equiv 0 \pmod S.$ However, each of the factors are less than $S,$ which finishes.
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Suppose, FTSOC, it is a prime. Let $a + b + c + d + e + f = p$. We have $p \mid ab + bc + ca - de - ef - df \implies p \mid abc + c^2(a + b) - dec - efc - dfc \implies p \mid - def + c^2(-c - d - e - f) - dec - efc - dfc \implies p \mid c^3 + c^2d + c^2e + c^2f + dec + efc + dfc + def = (c + d)(c + e)(c + f)$.

So, $p$ must divide one of them but all three are less than $a + b + c + d + e + f$, a contradiction. So, $S$ is composite.
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This means that $S$ divides the coefficients of
\[
	(x+a)(x+b)(x+c) - (x-d)(x-e)(x-f).
\]If $S$ was prime, then this means that $\{a, b, c\} \equiv \{-d, -e, -f\} \pmod{S}$, however then $p$ divides one of $a+d, a+e, a+f$, giving a contradiction by size.
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