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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
May is an exciting month! National MATHCOUNTS is the second week of May in Washington D.C. and our Founder, Richard Rusczyk will be presenting a seminar, Preparing Strong Math Students for College and Careers, on May 11th.

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[*]May 21st, 4:00pm PT/7:00pm ET, Mathcamp 2025 Qualifying Quiz Part 2 Math Jam, Problems 5 and 6, Canada/USA Mathcamp staff will discuss solutions to Problems 5 and 6 of the 2025 Mathcamp Qualifying Quiz![/list]
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k i Adding contests to the Contest Collections
dcouchman   1
N Apr 5, 2023 by v_Enhance
Want to help AoPS remain a valuable Olympiad resource? Help us add contests to AoPS's Contest Collections.

Find instructions and a list of contests to add here: https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c40244h1064480_contests_to_add
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dcouchman
Sep 9, 2019
v_Enhance
Apr 5, 2023
k i Zero tolerance
ZetaX   49
N May 4, 2019 by NoDealsHere
Source: Use your common sense! (enough is enough)
Some users don't want to learn, some other simply ignore advises.
But please follow the following guideline:


To make it short: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!
If you don't have common sense, don't post.


More specifically:

For new threads:


a) Good, meaningful title:
The title has to say what the problem is about in best way possible.
If that title occured already, it's definitely bad. And contest names aren't good either.
That's in fact a requirement for being able to search old problems.

Examples:
Bad titles:
- "Hard"/"Medium"/"Easy" (if you find it so cool how hard/easy it is, tell it in the post and use a title that tells us the problem)
- "Number Theory" (hey guy, guess why this forum's named that way¿ and is it the only such problem on earth¿)
- "Fibonacci" (there are millions of Fibonacci problems out there, all posted and named the same...)
- "Chinese TST 2003" (does this say anything about the problem¿)
Good titles:
- "On divisors of a³+2b³+4c³-6abc"
- "Number of solutions to x²+y²=6z²"
- "Fibonacci numbers are never squares"


b) Use search function:
Before posting a "new" problem spend at least two, better five, minutes to look if this problem was posted before. If it was, don't repost it. If you have anything important to say on topic, post it in one of the older threads.
If the thread is locked cause of this, use search function.

Update (by Amir Hossein). The best way to search for two keywords in AoPS is to input
[code]+"first keyword" +"second keyword"[/code]
so that any post containing both strings "first word" and "second form".


c) Good problem statement:
Some recent really bad post was:
[quote]$lim_{n\to 1}^{+\infty}\frac{1}{n}-lnn$[/quote]
It contains no question and no answer.
If you do this, too, you are on the best way to get your thread deleted. Write everything clearly, define where your variables come from (and define the "natural" numbers if used). Additionally read your post at least twice before submitting. After you sent it, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.


For answers to already existing threads:


d) Of any interest and with content:
Don't post things that are more trivial than completely obvious. For example, if the question is to solve $x^{3}+y^{3}=z^{3}$, do not answer with "$x=y=z=0$ is a solution" only. Either you post any kind of proof or at least something unexpected (like "$x=1337, y=481, z=42$ is the smallest solution). Someone that does not see that $x=y=z=0$ is a solution of the above without your post is completely wrong here, this is an IMO-level forum.
Similar, posting "I have solved this problem" but not posting anything else is not welcome; it even looks that you just want to show off what a genius you are.

e) Well written and checked answers:
Like c) for new threads, check your solutions at least twice for mistakes. And after sending, read it again and use the Edit-Button if necessary to correct errors.



To repeat it: ALWAYS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF POSTING!


Everything definitely out of range of common sense will be locked or deleted (exept for new users having less than about 42 posts, they are newbies and need/get some time to learn).

The above rules will be applied from next monday (5. march of 2007).
Feel free to discuss on this here.
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ZetaX
Feb 27, 2007
NoDealsHere
May 4, 2019
Easy P4 combi game with nt flavour
Maths_VC   2
N 40 minutes ago by Assassino9931
Source: Serbia JBMO TST 2025, Problem 4
Two players, Alice and Bob, play the following game, taking turns. In the beginning, the number $1$ is written on the board. A move consists of adding either $1$, $2$ or $3$ to the number written on the board, but only if the chosen number is coprime with the current number (for example, if the current number is $10$, then in a move a player can't choose the number $2$, but he can choose either $1$ or $3$). The player who first writes a perfect square on the board loses. Prove that one of the players has a winning strategy and determine who wins in the game.
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Maths_VC
May 27, 2025
Assassino9931
40 minutes ago
Old Inequality
giangtruong13   1
N an hour ago by sqing
Let $a,b,c >0$ and $abc=1$. Prove that: $$  \sqrt{a^2-a+1}+\sqrt{b^2-b+1} +\sqrt{c^2-c+1} \ge a+b+c$$
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giangtruong13
2 hours ago
sqing
an hour ago
Combo resources
Fly_into_the_sky   2
N an hour ago by Fly_into_the_sky
Ok so i never did combinatorics in my life :oops: and i am willing to be able to do P1/P4 combos (or even more)
So yeah how can i start from scratch?
Remark:i don't want compuational combo resources :noo:
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Fly_into_the_sky
Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Fly_into_the_sky
an hour ago
A very good problem
JetFire008   1
N an hour ago by JetFire008
Source: Spain 1997 (as claimed by the internet)
There are $n$ identical cars on a circular track. Among all of them, they have just enough gas for one car to complete a lap. Show that there is a car that can complete a lap by collecting gas from the other cars on its way around
Read the bold line carefully as it is easy to misread the problem.
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JetFire008
an hour ago
JetFire008
an hour ago
P lies on BC
Melid   0
an hour ago
Source: own
In scalene triangle $ABC$, which doesn't have right angle, let $O$ be its circumcenter. Let $H_{1}$ and $H_{2}$ be orthocenters of triangle $ABO$ and $ACO$, respectively. Let $O_{1}$ be circumcenter of triangle $OH_{1}H_{2}$. If circle $ACO_{1}$ and circle $CH_{1}H_{2}$ intersect at $P$ for the second time, prove that $P$ lies on $BC$.
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Melid
an hour ago
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Polynomial functional equation
Fishheadtailbody   2
N 2 hours ago by Fishheadtailbody
Source: MACMO
$P(x)$ is a polynomial with real coefficients such that
\[ P(x)^2 - 1 = 4 P(x^2 - 4x + 1). \]Find $P(x)$.

fixed now
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Fishheadtailbody
Apr 18, 2025
Fishheadtailbody
2 hours ago
Strange circles in an orthocenter config
VideoCake   2
N 2 hours ago by pi_quadrat_sechstel
Source: 2025 German MO, Round 4, Grade 12, P3
Let \(\overline{AD}\) and \(\overline{BE}\) be altitudes in an acute triangle \(ABC\) which meet at \(H\). Suppose that \(DE\) meets the circumcircle of \(ABC\) at \(P\) and \(Q\) such that \(P\) lies on the shorter arc of \(BC\) and \(Q\) lies on the shorter arc of \(CA\). Let \(AQ\) and \(BE\) meet at \(S\). Show that the circumcircles of \(BPE\) and \(QHS\) and the line \(PH\) concur.
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VideoCake
May 26, 2025
pi_quadrat_sechstel
2 hours ago
Lines pass through a common point
April   5
N 2 hours ago by SatisfiedMagma
Source: Baltic Way 2008, Problem 18
Let $ AB$ be a diameter of a circle $ S$, and let $ L$ be the tangent at $ A$. Furthermore, let $ c$ be a fixed, positive real, and consider all pairs of points $ X$ and $ Y$ lying on $ L$, on opposite sides of $ A$, such that $ |AX|\cdot |AY| = c$. The lines $ BX$ and $ BY$ intersect $ S$ at points $ P$ and $ Q$, respectively. Show that all the lines $ PQ$ pass through a common point.
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April
Nov 23, 2008
SatisfiedMagma
2 hours ago
Parameter and 4 variables
mihaig   1
N 2 hours ago by mihaig
Source: Own
Find the positive real constants $K$ such that
$$3\left(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2\right)+4\left(abcd\right)^K\geq\left(a+b+c+d\right)^2$$for all $a,b,c,d\geq0$ satisfying $a+b+c+d\geq4.$
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mihaig
3 hours ago
mihaig
2 hours ago
How many friends can sit in that circle at most?
Arytva   0
2 hours ago

A group of friends sits in a ring. Each friend picks a different whole number and holds a stone marked with it. Then they pass their stone one seat to the right so everyone ends up with two stones: one they made and one they received. Now they notice something odd: if your original number is $x$, your right-neighbor’s is $y$, and the next person over is $z$, then for every trio in the circle they see

$$
x + z = (2 - x)\,y.
$$
They want as many friends as possible before this breaks (since all stones must stay distinct).

How many friends can sit in that circle at most?
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Arytva
2 hours ago
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AIME qual outside US?
daijobu   11
N Today at 2:59 AM by CatCatHead
Can students outside the US take the AIME if they earn a qualifying score?
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daijobu
Friday at 7:10 PM
CatCatHead
Today at 2:59 AM
Mustang Math Recruitment is Open!
MustangMathTournament   8
N Today at 2:54 AM by Henry2020
The Interest Form for joining Mustang Math is open!

Hello all!

We're Mustang Math, and we are currently recruiting for the 2025-2026 year! If you are a high school or college student and are passionate about promoting an interest in competition math to younger students, you should strongly consider filling out the following form: https://link.mustangmath.com/join. Every member in MM truly has the potential to make a huge impact, no matter your experience!

About Mustang Math

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We have worked on various math-related projects. Our annual team math competition, Mustang Math Tournament (MMT) recently ran. We hosted 8 in-person competitions based in Washington, NorCal, SoCal, Illinois, Georgia, Massachusetts, Nevada and New Jersey, as well as an online competition run nationally. In total, we had almost 900 competitors, and the students had glowing reviews of the event. MMT International will once again be running later in August, and with it, we anticipate our contest to reach over a thousand students.

In our classes, we teach students math in fun and engaging math lessons and help them discover the beauty of mathematics. Our aspiring tech team is working on a variety of unique projects like our website and custom test platform. We also have a newsletter, which, combined with our social media presence, helps to keep the mathematics community engaged with cool puzzles, tidbits, and information about the math world! Our design team ensures all our merch and material is aesthetically pleasing.

Some highlights of this past year include 1000+ students in our classes, AMC10 mock with 150+ participants, our monthly newsletter to a subscriber base of 6000+, creating 8 designs for 800 pieces of physical merchandise, as well as improving our custom website (mustangmath.com, 20k visits) and test-taking platform (comp.mt, 6500+ users).

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As a non-profit organization on the rise, there are numerous opportunities for volunteers to share ideas and suggest projects that they are interested in. Through our organizational structure, members who are committed have the opportunity to become a part of the leadership team. Overall, working in the Mustang Math team is both a fun and fulfilling experience where volunteers are able to pursue their passion all while learning how to take initiative and work with peers. We welcome everyone interested in joining!

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MustangMathTournament
May 24, 2025
Henry2020
Today at 2:54 AM
MOP Emails Out! (not clickbait)
Mathandski   106
N Today at 2:32 AM by CheerfulZebra68
What an emotional roller coaster the past 34 days have been.

Congrats to all that qualified!
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Mathandski
Apr 22, 2025
CheerfulZebra68
Today at 2:32 AM
BIG BEEF BETWEEN MATHMATICANS (EXPOSED!!!!!) [MathEXplained Magazine]
yolk_eggg   0
Today at 2:17 AM
Source: https://mathexplained.github.io/
Hey AOPS!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

Hope you're all excited for the summer! As the summer approaches and you're all beginning to get back on the math grind I hope that you'll all also do some leisurely math reading/discovery!!

Check out this month's MathEXplained Magazine issue where we explore:
1. The math behind sports betting
2. The birthday paradox
3. Mathematicians born in May and their contributions to math
4. The ulam spiral
5. The surprising past behind the cubic formula (INSANE BEEF)

You can read this months issue on our website at https://mathexplained.github.io/ or on this google drive file

Additionally, if you are interested in sharing our own niche mathematical interests, I would encourage you to apply for a staff position at: [url][/url]https://tinyurl.com/MEXapply

Don't forget to join our discord server at https://tinyurl.com/MEXplained to let us know who's side you're on!!
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Today at 2:17 AM
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9 Mathpath vs. AMSP
FuturePanda   34
N May 2, 2025 by ZMB038
Hi everyone,

For an AIME score of 7-11, would you recommend MathPath or AMSP Level 2/3?

Thanks in advance!
Also people who have gone to them, please tell me more about the programs!
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FuturePanda
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Mathpath vs. AMSP
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Hi everyone,

For an AIME score of 7-11, would you recommend MathPath or AMSP Level 2/3?

Thanks in advance!
Also people who have gone to them, please tell me more about the programs!
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If you want to have fun and take a break from comp math, take mathpath. It's really fun and overall a really good experience(also a chance to expand socially)

On the other hand, if you want to grind comp math, take AMSP. It's going to help you a lot(hopefully?)
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Thank you! Specifically, if I had a goal of making MOP(or at least USAMO/USAJMO) next year, but don't want to burn out, which one would benefit me more? Does AMSP offer activities to ensure social interaction?
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Bump :) :) :)
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FuturePanda wrote:
Thank you! Specifically, if I had a goal of making MOP(or at least USAMO/USAJMO) next year, but don't want to burn out, which one would benefit me more? Does AMSP offer activities to ensure social interaction?

There are activities on the weekends that are purely for fun(among us, geoguessr from my experience). If things haven't changed, you could do one session of AMSP and MathPath, and im pretty sure they won't conflict. But you have to check the schedule to make sure they don't conflict.
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AMSP has more flexible times for classes and is probably more advanced than MathPath.
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People who have been to MathPath, how many questions did you answer?
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People who have been to MathPath, how many questions did you answer?

On what
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Bump(20+ threads above i think)
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I have attended AMSP and I would sound probably AMSP since thee curriculum is built based on AMC 10, AIME and JMO/AMO
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People who have been to MathPath, how many questions did you answer?

all of them but they're harder this year :(
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Ok, I submitted it, it's all out of my hands now :)
What are my chances with a 4/6 compltte solve and showing my ideas for other 2(both of which I did part a)?
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pretty good if you have solid proofs on the 4 complete solves, and good ideas for the other 2, it's always good to submit before the deadline
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ok, tysm
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Future panda are you going this year?
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Hi everyone,

For an AIME score of 7-11, would you recommend MathPath or AMSP Level 2/3?

Thanks in advance!
Also people who have gone to them, please tell me more about the programs!

Don't do AMSP L3 unless you are either:
* somewhat competent at L2
* somewhat competent at USAMO.
I did NT3 last year and I have to retake it this year.. (It was MTip not Tudor but yeah...)
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Future panda are you going this year?
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GarudS wrote:
FuturePanda wrote:
Hi everyone,

For an AIME score of 7-11, would you recommend MathPath or AMSP Level 2/3?

Thanks in advance!
Also people who have gone to them, please tell me more about the programs!

Don't do AMSP L3 unless you are either:
* somewhat competent at L2
* somewhat competent at USAMO.
I did NT3 last year and I have to retake it this year.. (It was MTip not Tudor but yeah...)
yup I'm doing OTIS now to get competent with proofs yay!
Anyways I'm taking counting strategies, combinatorial structures, algebra 2.5, and computational geo this year.
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GarudS wrote:
FuturePanda wrote:
Hi everyone,

For an AIME score of 7-11, would you recommend MathPath or AMSP Level 2/3?

Thanks in advance!
Also people who have gone to them, please tell me more about the programs!

Don't do AMSP L3 unless you are either:
* somewhat competent at L2
* somewhat competent at USAMO.
I did NT3 last year and I have to retake it this year.. (It was MTip not Tudor but yeah...)

NT3 seems harder than all the other L3 class though ig..
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Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?
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PEKKA wrote:
Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

Why not? I’m planning on taking C3 so I’m just wondering why you didn’t find them useful.
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personally would recommend MathPath. you can build a lot of connections from many people around the nation, and it's overall super fun. :)
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Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

yea why wasnt A2 useful(ima take it this summer)
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akliu
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Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

I took C2, and personally I found it to be pretty interesting but also not very applicable to contest prep. When I took the class, we went over some pretty useful techniques but then quickly went beyond the scope of contest math into stuff like Ramsey Theory and Toroidal Graph Theory. I'd say that most of it is pretty important though!

Oh yeah, I also took G2. Learned a ton of contest stuff, but shoving that much geometry inside my thick skull in the span of a few weeks was not a great idea. Learned a ton, then immediately forgot a ton.

Regarding the original question: The AMSP online class prices. Help.
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Is 2 classes a session too much? I can only take the classes in one session, and I wanna do c2 and g2 at the same time.
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Is 2 classes a session too much? I can only take the classes in one session, and I wanna do c2 and g2 at the same time.

Honestly, C2 itself is pretty intensive. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you're trying to get the most out of every course. I remember that every day while taking the C2 course, I would groupsolve the homework problem sets for hours with another person in the class (honorary mention to solasky if you see this), and this would take up a TON of time. The geometry homework was a little lighter for me, but I don't think it's a good idea to pair both of these at the same time unless you're pretty comfortable with at least one of the topics.
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BTW, how to solve amsp l1/2 admissions test 8,9,10
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And also how many hours a day is the hw per class
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Jaxman8 wrote:
BTW, how to solve amsp l1/2 admissions test 8,9,10

no discussing problem sets but I think u make it anyway if u only have 7 solves cuz they needa farm money
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Jaxman8 wrote:
And also how many hours a day is the hw per class

I’ve heard it’s 1-2
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I don't really like amsp, had a miserable experience there. Solutions were barely provided either.
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I don't really like amsp, had a miserable experience there. Solutions were barely provided either.

thats an opinion that few share
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Pengu14 wrote:
PEKKA wrote:
Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

Why not? I’m planning on taking C3 so I’m just wondering why you didn’t find them useful.
Actually I take it back like 50% of C3 is helpful. However, my instructor went into extremal graph theory and advanced probability, which are topics only used in high-level olympiads so to me, it was not super helpful. However, it does teach basic concepts pretty well tho.
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Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

yea why wasnt A2 useful(ima take it this summer)
A2 is like nearly the exact same as A1 from my experience. However if you haven't taken A1, A2 would be quite useful. It does cover some important computational topics.
akliu wrote:
PEKKA wrote:
Am i the only person who doesnt find some AMPS classes like C2, C3 and A2 useful for contest prep?

I took C2, and personally I found it to be pretty interesting but also not very applicable to contest prep. When I took the class, we went over some pretty useful techniques but then quickly went beyond the scope of contest math into stuff like Ramsey Theory and Toroidal Graph Theory. I'd say that most of it is pretty important though!

Oh yeah, I also took G2. Learned a ton of contest stuff, but shoving that much geometry inside my thick skull in the span of a few weeks was not a great idea. Learned a ton, then immediately forgot a ton.

Regarding the original question: The AMSP online class prices. Help.

Yeah same problem with C2, the toridal graph theory stuff is rarely helpful for only
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Future panda are you going this year?
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Dang it this is my first year going to mathpath and I wanted to know people ahead of time.
Also your not stupid the application was just hard.
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