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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
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N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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I was thinking about switching my son to the Beast Academy books but there aren't many reviews of this book series and it is relatively new. Do you happen to know if there are any reviews of the Beast Academy books from highly reputable sources? I am going to use the Beast Academy books as a supplemental but I was thinking about using them as the primary math books.

About how well does Beast Academy cover common core? Does it cover it very thoroughly?

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how is this harmful or different from other polls?
It really wasn't that harmful or popular i got to say tho... :noo:
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vladimir92   42
N Wednesday at 2:30 PM by AshAuktober
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Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with orthocentre $H$. The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle with diameter $BC$ touch this circle at $P$ and $Q$. Prove that $H,P$ and $Q$ are collinear.
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Orthocentre is collinear with two tangent points
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Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with orthocentre $H$. The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle with diameter $BC$ touch this circle at $P$ and $Q$. Prove that $H,P$ and $Q$ are collinear.
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This is a China Olympiad Problem, for example see here.

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Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with orthocenter $H$ . The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle $w$ with diameter $[BC]$ touch it on $P$ and $Q$. Prove that $H\in PQ$ .
Proof 1 (pole/polar). Denote the circumcircle $(O)$ of $\triangle ABC$ , $\{A,D_1\}=AH\cap (O)$ , $D\in BC$ for which $AD\perp BC$ and $\{U,V\}=AH\cap w$ . Observe that $DU^2=DB\cdot DC=DA\cdot DD_1=DA\cdot DH$ , i.e. $\boxed {\ DU^2=DA\cdot DH\ }$ what is a characterization of $(A,H,U,V)$ - harmonical division, i.e. $H$ is harmonical conjugate of $A$ w.r.t. $\{U,V\}$ . In conclusion, $H$ belongs to polar of $A$ w.r.t. $(O)$ , i.e. $H\in PQ$ .

Proof 2 (metric). Suppose that $AB$ separates $P$ , $C$ . Denote $E\in AC$ so that $BE\perp AC$ and $F\in AB$ so that $CF\perp AB$ . Observe that $\frac {PF}{PB}=\sqrt {\frac {AF}{AB}}$ and $\frac {QE}{QC}=\sqrt {\frac {AE}{AC}}$ . Thus $\frac {PF}{PB}\cdot\frac {QE}{QC}=|\cos A|=\frac {EF}{BC}$ , i.e. $\frac {PF}{PB}\cdot\frac {QE}{QC}=\frac {EF}{BC}$ $\Longleftrightarrow$ $BP\cdot FE\cdot QC=PF\cdot EQ\cdot CB$ $\stackrel{(*)}{\Longleftrightarrow}$ $BE$ , $PQ$ , $FC$ are concurrently $\Longleftrightarrow$ $H\in PQ$ .

Lemma. Let $ABCDEF$ be a cyclic hexagon. Prove that $\boxed {\ AD\cap BE\cap CF\ne\emptyset \Longleftrightarrow AB\cdot CD\cdot EF=BC\cdot DE\cdot FA\ }\ (*)$ .
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I did it with poles and polars: We are going to use the circle with diameter $BC$ as the circle of reciprocation.
Proving that $P,Q,H$ are collinear its the same as proving that their polars are concurrent. Because both $P$
and $Q$ belong to the circle, their polars are the tangents to the circle that meet at $A$.

So, we must prove that the polar of $H$ passes through $A$.

Let $AE$ be the perpendicular to $HM$($M$ is the midpoint of $BC$). If $E$ is the inverse of $H$, then $AE$ is the polar of $H$ and we are done.
So we must prove that
$(ME)(HM)={BM}^{2}$.
Because $\triangle{AEH} $~$ \triangle MDH$ we have :
$\frac{EH}{HD}=\frac{AH}{HM}$ $\Longrightarrow$ $(EH)(HM)=(AH)(HD)$.
On the other hand
$(ME)(HM)={BM}^{2}$ $\Leftrightarrow$ $(EH)(HM) + {HM}^{2}={BM}^{2}$
$\Leftrightarrow$ $(AH)(HD) + {HM}^{2}={{R}^{2}}{{\sin A}^{2}}$
$\Leftrightarrow$ $4{R^{2}}\cos A\cos B\cos C + HD^{2} + DM^{2}={{R}^{2}}{{\sin A}^{2}}$
$\Leftrightarrow$ $4{R^{2}}\cos A\cos B\cos C$ $+ 4{R^{2}}{\cos B^{2}}{\cos C^{2}} +$ ${{R}^{2}}{{\sin A}^{2}}$ $+ 4{R^{2}}{\cos B^{2}}{\sin C^{2}} - $$4{{R}^{2}}\sin A\cos B\sin C$ $={{R}^{2}}{{\sin A}^{2}} $

Which is easy to verify that is true.
QED



(Sorry for posting the pole/polar solution again! i was finishing it when it appeared Virgil Niculas' solution)
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Let $AD,BE,CF$ the altitudes of $\triangle {ABC}$, and $O$ the midpoint of $BC$. Because $\angle APO=\angle AQO=\angle ADO=90$, the points $A,P,Q,O,D$ are concyclic. Let $\omega$ the circumcircle of $\triangle {APQ}$.

Apply an inversion with center at $A$ and radius $|AP|$. Because $AP^2=AH\cdot AD$, we obtain that $H$ is the image of $D$ under this inversion, and $P,Q$ remains invariant. For the other hand, $\omega$ is transformed into the line containing $P,Q$. Because $D\in \omega$, we can conclude that $H\in \overline {PQ}$.

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Points $P$ and $Q$ are the intersections of the circles $\mathcal {C}(M,MB)$ and $\mathcal{C}(N, NA)$, $M$ and $N$ being the midpoints of $ BC$ and $AM$ respectively.
If $D, E, F$ are the feet of the altitudes on $BC, CA$ and $AB$ respectively and these altitudes concur at $H$, then we know that $AH\cdot DH=BH\cdot HE$, i.e. $H$ has equal power w.r.t. to both circles, consequently it belongs to their radical axis $PQ$.

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Many nice solutions! that's great! thanks to Virgil Nicula for the interesting lemma that I'll try to prove later.
my solution
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Virgil Nicula's lemma is similar to this: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=360186

except that the points $B,E$ are switched.
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oneplusone wrote:
Virgil Nicula's lemma is similar to this: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=360186

except that the points $B,E$ are switched.
you're right! they are similar, to prove that part ${ \ AD\cap BE\cap CF\ne\emptyset\Longleftarrow AB\cdot CD\cdot EF=BC\cdot DE\cdot FA\ }\ (*) $ from Virgil's lemma, we can also assume that it's wrong i.e there is three intersection point, if I remembre well it's we get that $a.b.c=x.y.z$ with $a>x$ , $b>y$ and $c>z$ which obviously wrong, and then deduct the desired result.
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Let $AH \cap PQ = H'$ and $AH \cap (circle) = X, Y$(X is on the same side with A from BC)
$(circle) \cap AB = R$
we easily know that $C, H, R$ is collinear and perpendicular to $ AB$
since $AR \perp HR$ and $\angle XRH=\angle XBC=\angle YBC = \angle HRY$
$AXHY$ is harmonic
also, it's well known that $AXH'Y$ is harmonic
therefore $H=H'$
$P, H, Q$ is collinear since $P, H', Q$ is collinear
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Hi everyone :lol: .Let me inform you that this problem is from China 1997 and i have three solutions but two of them have already posted so i'll post the third one:

According to the following picture its enough to prove that $\hat{AQK}=\hat{AQH}$
Let $AD,BE,CF$ the altitudes of $\triangle {ABC}$, and $O$ the midpoint of $BC$.Since $\hat{APO}=\hat{AQO}=\hat{ADO}=90^{o}$ then the points $A,P,Q,O,D$ are concyclic.

We have: $AQ^{2}=AH\cdot AD=AE\cdot AC $
So $\hat{HDQ}=\hat{HQA}=\hat{ADQ}(1)$ and $\hat{APQ}=\hat{ADQ}=\hat{AQH}(2)$
As a result $\hat{APQ}=\hat{AQP}\stackrel{(2)}=\hat{AQH}$
and we are done.

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PS:The following problem was also posted in China 2005 i think(its almost the same):
Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle and its altitude $AD$.The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle with diametre $BC$ touch this circle on $P$ and $Q$.If $H\equiv AD \cap PQ$ then prove that $H$ is the orthocenter of $ABC$

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Obviously points $A,P,M_{a},D,Q$ are concyclic where $M_{a}$ is the midpoint of $BC$. Let's call $\Gamma_{a}$ and $\Gamma_{b}$ circles with diamters $BC$ and $AC$ respectivly. Since $(APQ)\cap\Gamma{a}\equiv(QP)$ and $(APQ)\cap\Gamma{b}\equiv(AD)$ and $\Gamma{a}\cap\Gamma{b}\equiv(CF)$ then by radical axis theorem it follows immediatly that $(QP)\cap(AD)\cap(CF)\equiv H$ and hence the points $P,Q$ and $H$ are collinear.
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I have a very short proof.Let $M$ be the midpoint of $BC$.Extend $MH$ to meet $\odot ABC$ at $M'$ where $M'$ and $H$ are on the same side of $M$.Now $A$ is the pole of $PQ$ wrt the circle $(M,MB)$.Again note that $AM'$ is the polar of $H$.So polar of $H$ passes through $A\rightarrow H $lies on $PQ$.Hence proved.
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Let the altitudes be $AD$, $BE$, $CF$. Let the foot of the perpendicular from $H$ to $AM$ be $X$. By http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=2173258&sid=fd7168f527cac736647f7961645922f0#p2173258, $MX \cdot MA = BM^2$ so the polar of $A$ with respect to the semicircle with diameter $BC$ passes through $X$, and therefore $H$. So $P$, $Q$, $H$ are collinear.
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Another solution:
Let the three altitudes be $AK, BG$ and $CF$.
Easy to see that $P, Q$ lie on the circle $C_{1}$ with diameter $AD$.
Let $GF$ cut $BC$ at $L$. $PQ = a$ is the polar of $A$ with respect to $C_{2}$
But from the configuration $LH$ is also the polar of $A$. It follows that $L, P, H, Q$ are collinear.
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long radical axis solution
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you can instakill this with poles or polars, but here's a quick radical axis argument.

Let $M$ be the midpoint of $BC$, $A_1$ be the foot of $A$ onto $BC$, $B_1$ be the foot of $B$ onto $AC$. We just want to show that $H$ is on the radical axis of the circles with diameters $BC$ and $AM$ (which is $PQ$). But this is obvious, since $(HB)(HB_1)=(HA)(HA_1)$.


Note that $\triangle ABC$ is implied to be acute...
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By pole and polar.
AD,BE and CF are the altitudes of ABC.Draw AL perpendicular on OH (possibly extended) meeting OH at L.
Then we have OH*OL=OH*(OH+HL)=OH^2+OH*HL.
Now <ADO=<ALO=90 degrees imply that points A,L,D,O are conclyclic.
Hence OH*HL=AH*HD, so, OH*OL=OH^2+AH*HD.
Substituting OH^2=2R^2[(cosB)^2+(cosC)^2]-a^2/2 , AH=2RcosA and HD=2RcosBcosC and simlifying, we get
OH*OL=a^2/4.
Thus L is the invese point of O, which implies that the polar of H passes through A.
Hence the polar of A must also pass through H. But polar of A is PQ. Hence the result.
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Dear Mathlinkers,
1. by definition, PQ is the polar of A wrt the circle with diameter BC
2. B', C' being the feet of thze B, C-altitudes of ABC are on the last circle
3. H being the point of intersection of BB' and CC' is on PQ (result of de La Hire Conics I prop. 22, 23

I will put this last resul this week...

Sincerely
Jean-Louis
Ayme J.-L., La réciprocité de Philippe de La Hire, G.G.G. vol. 13, p. 21-25 ; http://perso.orange.fr/jl.ayme
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Quick with projective. Let the circle with diameter $BC \equiv \Omega$ and $BH \cap AC \equiv E$. Observe that $PQ$ is the polar of $A$ wrt $\Omega$. Now $\angle XEH = \angle XYB=90-\angle CYX=\angle BCY = \angle BEY$, and $\angle BEA=90$. Thus $(A, H; X, Y)=-1$ so the result follows.
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$A$ lies on the polar of $H$ wrt the circle on diameter $\overline{BC}$ (Brokard) so $H,P,Q$ are collinear by La Hire.
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Let $X, Y$ be the intersections of the $A$-altitude with the circle.

$H, P, Q\text{ collinear}\Leftrightarrow H\in \text{polar}(A)\Leftrightarrow (A, H; X, Y)=-1\Leftrightarrow(X, Y; B,C)=-1\Leftrightarrow BX\cdot CY = BY\cdot CX$ which is obvious.
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Let $E,F$ be the feet of perpendiculars from respectively $C,B$
take an inversion with $A$ as the center and radius $AP$.
This inversion takes $P,Q$ to themselves and it takes $H$ to feet of perpendicular from $A$ to $BC$ ($\angle AEH=\angle AH^{'}E^{'}=\angle AH^{'}B=\frac{\pi}{2}$)thus
the images of $H,P,Q$ and $A$ are concyclic hence the conclusion
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I solve this problem with pole and polar.First we can note $E$ is on the cicrcle such as the $BE$ is perpendicular to $AC$ and analogus the point F.
Now we have 4 points on the circle $B,C,E,F$ and $BF\cap CE={A}$ and we have from theorem of Hire that the intersection point of BE and CF is on the polar of the point A which is PQ so P,Q and H are collinear.
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Does anybody have a solution with complex numbers?
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very short
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@Analgin,

Set $b=-1,c=1$. Then let $p,q$ be points on the unit circle, so $a=\frac{2pq}{p+q}$. Then if $DEF$ is the orthic triangle, $$e=\frac{p+q-2pq}{2-(p+q)},f=\frac{p+q+2pq}{2+p+q}.$$Now with the chord intersection formula, $$h=\frac{e+2ef-f}{e+f}=\frac{2p^2q^2-p^2-q^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)}.$$It remains to compute $$\frac{p-h}{p-q}=\frac{p-\frac{2p^2q^2-p^2-q^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)}}{p-q}=\frac{q(p^2-1)}{(p+q)(pq-1)}=\frac{q-pq\overline{h}}{q-p}=\overline{\left(\frac{p-h}{p-q}\right)},$$so $P,H,Q$ are collinear, as required.
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An easy extension. Let $\alpha=\mathbb C(O)$ be circumcircle of $\triangle ABC$ and $w=\mathbb C(K)$ be a circle so that $\{B,C\}\subset w$ and exists $D\in (BC)$ such that $DA\perp DK\ .$ Let $\{A,D_1\}=\{A,D\}\cap \alpha$ and the symmetric $L$ of $D_1$ w.r.t. $D\ .$ The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle $w$ touch it on $P$ and $Q\ .$ Prove that $L\in PQ$ (see PP10 from here).
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jlammy wrote:
@Analgin,

Set $b=-1,c=1$. Then let $p,q$ be points on the unit circle, so $a=\frac{2pq}{p+q}$. Then if $DEF$ is the orthic triangle, $$e=\frac{p+q-2pq}{2-(p+q)},f=\frac{p+q+2pq}{2+p+q}.$$Now with the chord intersection formula, $$h=\frac{e+2ef-f}{e+f}=\frac{2p^2q^2-p^2-q^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)}.$$It remains to compute $$\frac{p-h}{p-q}=\frac{p-\frac{2p^2q^2-p^2-q^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)}}{p-q}=\frac{q(p^2-1)}{(p+q)(pq-1)}=\frac{q-pq\overline{h}}{q-p}=\overline{\left(\frac{p-h}{p-q}\right)},$$so $P,H,Q$ are collinear, as required.
Sorry i couldn't understand your solution can you explain it more detailed especially first part
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As usual, the coordinate bash is not hard.

Solution
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Let $\triangle{ABC}$ be a triangle with orthocenter $H$ . The tangent lines from $A$ to the circle $w$ with diameter $[BC]$ touch it on $P$ and $Q$. Prove that $H\in PQ$ .

I can't understand the reason before such long long long long solutions.

Let \(M\) denote the mid of segment \(BC.\) Clearly, \(A, P , H , M , Q\) are concyclic in that order. Also, \(Pow_\omega H = Pow_{APQ} H\)..Therefore \(H\) must lie on the radical axes of the circles \(\omega\) and \(APQ\) which clearly is the claimed line the \(PQ\).
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Dear Mathlinkers,
You can have a look at

http://jl.ayme.pagesperso-orange.fr/Docs/Quickies%205.pdf p.24-25

Sincerely
Jean-Louis
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@Anar24
Suppose BCPQ is inscribed in unit circle. Because BC is diameter jlammy supposed that $b=-1,c=1$. Then he used formula for tangents intersection. Next he used formula for foot $E$ of $C$ on $AB$
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Virgil Nicula wrote:
Lemma. Let $ABCDEF$ be a cyclic hexagon. Prove that $\boxed {\ AD\cap BE\cap CF\ne\emptyset \Longleftrightarrow AB\cdot CD\cdot EF=BC\cdot DE\cdot FA\ }\ (*)$ .
Is this lemma true for not convex hexagons? If it's not true, then your proof doesn't work in case $H$ lies outside triangle $ABC$ in given problem.
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The polars of $P,Q$ wrt $(BC)$ both pass through $A$, so by La Hire it suffices to prove that the polar of $H$ does as well. Let the reflection of $H$ over the midpoint $M$ of $BC$ be $H_1$, and $HM\cap (ABC)=Q$; we can see that
$$MH\cdot MQ=MH_1\cdot HQ=MB\cdot MC$$by orthocenter reflection, and since $Q$ is the $A$-queue point, we know that $AQ\perp QH$, which implies that $AQ$ is the polar of $H$.
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JBMO2000 Problem 3
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/u229790h6143p27113536
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Consider the circle with center $A$ and radius $AP$. Then the problem is equivalent to showing that $H$ lies on the radical axis of this circle and the circle with diameter $BC$. We can do this by showing $H$ has equal powers with respect to both circles.

This resolves to showing $AH^2 - AP^2 = MH^2 - MP^2$ or $AH^2 - HM^2 = AP^2-  MP^2$. Notice that we have $AP^2 = AM^2 - MP^2$, and $AM^2 = \frac{AB^2 + AC^2}{2} - MB^2$, giving $AP^2-MP^2 = AM^2 - 2MB^2 = \frac{AB^2 + AC^2}{2} - 3MB^2$. Then let the foot from $A$ to $BC$ be $D$. We can then write $AH^2 - HM^2 = AH^2 - (CH^2 - CD^2 + CM^2) = AH^2 - (CH^2 - CD^2 + (CD - MC)^2) = AH^2 - (CH^2 - 2CD \cdot MC + MC^2) = AH^2 - CH^2 + CD \cdot BC + MC^2$. We then want to show $AH^2 - CH^2 + CD \cdot BC - MB^2 = \frac{AB^2 + AC^2}{2} - 3MB^2$, which we can reduce to $AH^2 - CH^2 + CD \cdot BC = \frac{AB^2 + AC^2 - BC^2}{2} $. Then by Law of Cosines, we have $AH^2 = CH^2 + AC^2 - 2CH \cdot AC \cdot \cos{ACH}= CH^2 + AC^2 - 2CH \cdot CE$ where $E$ is the foot from $C$ to $AB$. We can then write $AH^2 - CH^2 = AC^2 - 2CH \cdot CE$. By Power of a Point on $(BEDH)$, we have $CH \cdot CE = CD \cdot BC$. We then just need to show $AC^2 - BC \cdot CD = \frac{AB^2 + AC^2 - BC^2}{2} $. Multiply everything by two to get the equivalent $2AC^2 - 2BC \cdot CD =  AB^2 + AC^2 - BC^2$ and rearranging gives the equivalent $AC^2 + BC^2 - 2BC \cdot CD = AB^2$, but $CD = AC \cdot \cos C$, so we are done by LOC.
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Let $D$ be the altitude from $A$ to $\overline{BC}$ and $O$ the circumcenter of $(ABC)$. Also denote by $\measuredangle$ the angle $\angle$ modulo $\pi$. Then we make the following claim:

Claim: $A, P, D, O, Q$ is cyclic.
Proof: Indeed we have that \[\measuredangle APO = \measuredangle AQO = \measuredangle ADO = 90^{\circ}. \blacksquare\]
Now observe that if we consider circles $(BFHD)$ and $(DHQC)$, that $A$ is the radical center of all of our present circles so that \[AP^2 = AQ^2 = AH \cdot AD \implies \triangle AHP \sim \triangle APD; \phantom{c} \triangle AHQ \sim \triangle AQD.\]
Now the solution is immediate:
\begin{align*}
\measuredangle AHP &= \measuredangle DPA \\
&= \measuredangle DQA \\
&= \measuredangle AHQ,
\end{align*}so that $P, H, Q$ are collinear, as desired. $\blacksquare$
Remark
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short, nice
solution
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Let $M$ be midpoint of $BC$, then just check $X=AM \cap PQ$ is Humpty, since $MB^2=MP^2=MX*MA=MC^2$, from which the result follows.
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Let $\Delta DEF$ be the orthic triangle, $M$ be the midpoint of $BC$.
Note that $AP^2=AQ^2=AB \cdot AE = AH \cdot AD$. Also, $D,P,Q$ clearly lie on the circle with diameter $AM$.
Take an inversion centred at $A$ with radius $\sqrt{AH \cdot AD}$, then $P$ and $Q$ go to themselves, and $H$ goes to $D$.
Since $A,D,P,Q$ are concyclic, inverting back gives that $H,P,Q$ collinear as desired. $\square$
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Define \(D\), \(E\), \(F\) as the feet of the \(A\), \(B\), \(C\) altitudes respectively and \(M\) as the midpoint of \(BC\).
We shall use complex numbers by setting \(M = 0\) and \(B=1\), thus allowing the circle with diameter \(BC\) to be the unit circle.
Notice that \(E\) and \(F\) also lie on this circle. We set \(P\) and \(Q\) as free variables.

By using the formula for the intersection of tangents we obtain
\[A = \frac{2pq}{p+q}\]We shall find \(E\), notice that it is the intersection of \(AC\) with the unit circle and is thus given by the formula
\[e = \frac{1-\frac{2pq}{p+q}}{\frac{2}{p+q}-1} = \frac{p+q-2pq}{2-p-q}\]We similarly find
\[f = \frac{\frac{2pq}{p+q} + 1}{\frac{2}{p+q}+1} = \frac{2pq+p+q}{2+p+q}\]To find \(H\) we intersect \(CF\) and \(BQ\), we thus obtain
\[H = \frac{\frac{2pq-p-q}{2-p-q} \cdot (1 + \frac{2pq+p+q}{2+p+q}) - \frac{2pq+p+q}{2+p+q} \cdot (\frac{p+q-2pq}{2-p-q}-1)}{\frac{2pq-p-q}{2-p-q} - \frac{2pq+p+q}{2+p+q}}\]Simplifying, we have
\[H = \frac{2(2pq-p-q)(pq+p+q+1) + 2(2pq+p+q)(pq-p-q+1)}{(2+p+q)(2pq-p-q) + (p+q-2)(2pq+p+q)}\]Further simplifying, we obtain
\[H = 2 \cdot \frac{4pq(pq+1) - 2{(p+q)}^2}{4(p+q)(pq-1)} = \frac{2pq(pq+1)-{(p+q)}^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)}\]Now we shall prove the colinearity condition, notice that
\[\frac{H-p}{H-q} = \frac{\frac{2pq(pq+1)-{(p+q)}^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)} - p}{\frac{2pq(pq+1)-{(p+q)}^2}{(p+q)(pq-1)} - q} = \frac{(2p^2q^2 - p^2 - q^2) - p(p+q)(pq-1)}{(2p^2q^2 - p^2 - q^2) - q(p+q)(pq-1)}\]From which
\[\frac{H-p}{H-q} = \frac{q(q - p)(p^2-1)}{p(p-q)(q^2-1)} = -\frac{q(p^2-1)}{p(q^2-1)}\]We can simply take the conjugate to obtain
\[\overline{\left(\frac{H-p}{H-q}\right)} = -\frac{\left(\frac{1}{q}\right) \cdot (1 - \frac{1}{p^2})}{\left(\frac{1}{p}\right) \cdot (1 - \frac{1}{q^2})} = -\frac{q(p^2-1)}{p(q^2-1)}\]Thus \(H-P-Q\).
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Let $BH \cap AC = E, CH \cap AB = , EF \cap BC = T$. Then from Brokard's theorem, triangle $ATH$ is self-polar, leading to the required result.
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