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Let $\triangle ABC$ be a scalene triangle with incenter $I$, and let the midpoint of side $\overline{BC}$ be $M$. Suppose that the feet of the altitudes from $I$ to $\overline{AC}$ and $\overline{AB}$ are $E$ and $F$ respectively, and suppose that there exists a point $D$ on $\overline{EF}$ such that $ADMI$ is a parallelogram. If $AB+AC = 24$, $BC = 14$, and the area of $\triangle ABC$ can be expressed as $m\sqrt{n}$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers such that $n$ is squarefree, find $m+n$.

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Let $\triangle ABC$ be a scalene triangle with incenter $I$, and let the midpoint of side $\overline{BC}$ be $M$. Suppose that the feet of the altitudes from $I$ to $\overline{AC}$ and $\overline{AB}$ are $E$ and $F$ respectively, and suppose that there exists a point $D$ on $\overline{EF}$ such that $ADMI$ is a parallelogram. If $AB+AC = 24$, $BC = 14$, and the area of $\triangle ABC$ can be expressed as $m\sqrt{n}$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers such that $n$ is squarefree, find $m+n$.

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PART I. Standard Observations

First make a few computational observations:
  • The semiperimeter is $s = \tfrac{AB + AC + BC}{2} = \tfrac{24 + 14}{2} = 19$.
  • The lengths of $AE = AF$ are $s - BC = 19 - 14 = 5$.
We can also make the following geometric observation:
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Lines $AI$ and $MD$ are perpendicular to $EF$. In particular, $D$ is necessarily the foot of the altitude from $M$ onto $EF$.
Proof: Observe that since $\overline{AI}$ bisects $\angle A$ in $\triangle ABC$, it also bisects $\angle A$ in $\triangle AEF$. However, since $\triangle AEF$ is isosceles, the angle bisector $\overline{AI}$ must also be an altitude, so $AI \perp EF$.

Consequently, since $ADMI$ is a parallelogram, $MD \perp EF$ as well. $\square$

Part II. wait what how did that just work

In order to learn more about $\triangle ABC$, we'll focus primarily on the condition that $AI = MD$ (which follows from $AIMD$ being a parallelogram).

Suppose $X$ and $Y$ are the feet of the altitudes from $B$ and $C$ onto line $EF$. Observe that:
$$MD = \dfrac{BX + CY}{2}.$$This follows from the fact that $M$ is the midpoint of $\overline{BC}$. We'll now compute $MD$ by computing $BX$ and $CY$ separately

Suppose that $AI$ has length $x$. Observe that:
$$\triangle BXF \sim \triangle AFI \hbox{ and } \triangle AEI \sim \triangle CYE.$$This follows from the fact that $BX \parallel AI \parallel CY$, as all three are altitudes onto $EF$. These similarities give these length ratios:
$$\dfrac{BX}{BF} = \dfrac{AF}{AI} = \dfrac{5}{AI} \hbox{ and } \dfrac{CY}{CE} = \dfrac{AE}{AI} = \dfrac{5}{AI}.$$Therefore we may extract:
$$BX = \dfrac{5}{AI} \times BF \hbox{ and } CY = \dfrac{5}{AI} \times CE.$$So then:
$$MD = \dfrac{BX + CY}{2} = \dfrac{5}{2 \times AI} \times (BF + CE).$$Except notice that incircle tangencies form equal lengths! In particular, if we denote the third altitude from $I$ onto $\overline{BC}$ as $G$, then $BF = BG$ and $CE = CG$, meaning:
$$MD = \dfrac{5}{2 \times AI} \times (BG + CG) = \dfrac{5}{2 \times AI} \times BC = \dfrac{35}{AI}.$$But we know that $MD$ should actually equal $AI$, meaning that:
$$AI = \dfrac{35}{AI} ~ \Longrightarrow ~ \boxed{AI = \sqrt{35}.}$$
Part III. Conclusion

Now that we know the length of $AI$, we may compute the inradius by looking at right triangle $AFI$:
$$AF^2 + FI^2 = AI^2 ~ \Longrightarrow ~ 5^2 + FI^2 = (\sqrt{35})^2 ~ \Longrightarrow FI = \hbox{ inradius } = \sqrt{10}.$$So the area is $rs = \boxed{19\sqrt{10}}$, giving an answer of $\boxed{29.}$ $\blacksquare$
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WAIT WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK I GUESSED 10\sqrt{19} --> 29 LMHO

but i don't think i submitted by 4:00 rip

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bissue here writing five paragraph essays on math problems
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NOOO I spent $20$ minutes on this problem and got the same observation but started some strange bash and got a weird radical :(
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Here's a slicker approach using Iran Lemma.

Let $BI,CI$ intersect $EF$ at $X,Y.$ So $X,Y$ lie on $(BC)$ by Iran. Easy angle chase gives $\angle XMY = \angle BAC$ and also notice $DM \perp XY$ so $D$ is the midpoint of $XY.$ Then by some similar triangle ratios

$$\frac{DM}{7} = \frac{DM}{MY}= \frac{AF}{AI} = \frac{5}{AI} $$
so $AI = DM = \sqrt{35},$ rest just computation. $\blacksquare$
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But how many people would have known that lemma??
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But how many people would have known that lemma??
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I think its somewhat well known in oly geo.
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Congrats on this nice problem @ApraTrip! :)

First, note that $s=\frac{a+b+c}2=19, a=14,b=24-c,c=c$. Now employ barycentrics on $\triangle ABC$ with $A=(1,0,0),B=(0,1,0),C=(0,0,1)$. Clearly $M=(0,\tfrac12,\tfrac12), E=(s-c:0:s-a)=(19-c:0:5),F=(s-b:s-a:0)=(-5+c:5:0),I=(a:b:c)=(14:24-c:c)$. Since $ADMI$ is a parallelogram, $A+M=D+I \Rightarrow D=(24:-5+c:19-c).$ However, we also know that $D,E,F$ are colinear so we must have $$\begin{vmatrix}-5+c&5&0\\ 19-c&0&5\\ 24&-5+c&19-c\end{vmatrix}=0 \iff c^2-24c+133=0.$$By the quadratic formula, $c=12\pm \sqrt{11}$ and WLOG take $12+\sqrt{11}$. Then $b=24-c=12-\sqrt{11}$. Now, by Heron's $$[ABC]=\sqrt{19(19-14)(19-12+\sqrt{11})(19-12-\sqrt{11})}=\sqrt{19(5)(7^2-11)}=19\sqrt{10}.$$
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We have $BC=BE+CF=14$. Since $AB+AC=24$ and $BE+CF=14$, we have $AE=AF=5$ and $s=19$. Proceed as in post 3 by dropping altitudes from $B$ and $C$ on to $\overline{EF}$. $BX+CY=2AI$. We next note that because of parallel lines $AI$, $MD$, $BX$, and $CY$, we have equal angles. So $BX=BE\cos A/2$ and $CY=CF\cos A/2$. And because $\cos A/2 = 5/AI$, we have $2AI=70/AI$, or $AI=\sqrt{35}$. Thus, $r=\sqrt{10}$, so $[ABC]=19r=19\sqrt{10}$.
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The idea is to use the condition $AI = DM$, as $D$ must be the foot of the altitude from $M$ to $\overline{EF}$. Here, notice that $$AI = \frac{AF}{\cos \frac A2} = \frac{AB+AC-BC}{2\cos \frac A2} = \frac 5{\cos \frac A2},$$and $DM$ is the average of the distances from $B, C$ to $\overline{EF}$, which is $$\frac{BF+CE}2 \cdot \cos \frac A2 = 7 \cos \frac A2.$$Thus equating the two, $\cos^2 \frac A2 = \frac 57$, and $\cos A = \frac 37$. To extract $AB \cdot AC$, we can use the Law of Cosines to get $$AB^2+AC^2-2 \cdot AB \cdot AC \cdot \frac 37 = 196 \implies (AB+AC)^2-\frac{20}7 \cdot AB \cdot AC = 196.$$Thus $AB \cdot AC = 133$, and the area is $$[ABC] = 133 \cdot \frac{2\sqrt{10}}7 \cdot \frac 12 = 19\sqrt{10}.$$
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Solution from OTIS:

Apply barycentric coordinates on $\triangle ABC$. Note that $E=(19-c:0:5), F=(19-b:5:0)$, so $EF$ has equation $5z(19-c)+5y(19-b)=25x$. By Parallelogram Lemma, $D=\left(\frac{24}{38}, \frac{19-b}{38}, \frac{19-c}{38}\right)$ since $M=(0:1:1)$. Plugging in $D$ into the equation for $EF$ gives $b,c = 12-\sqrt{11}, 12+\sqrt{11}$ in some order. Plugging into Heron's now gives $19\sqrt{10}$.
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Squareman's solution is absolutely unreal; here is a more reasonable approach.


Walk-Through:
  • Let $AI$ meet $EF$ and $(ABC)$ again at $N$ and $X$ respectively. We define $P$ and $Q$ as the projections of $X$ onto $AB$ and $AC$ respectively.
  • By Simson Lines, $M \in PQ$. Also, symmetry implies $EF \perp \overline{ANIX} \perp \overline{MPQ}$.
  • The parallelogram condition is clearly equivalent to $AI = MD = \text{dist}(M, EF)$.
  • It's well-known that $AP = AQ = \frac{AB + AC}{2} = 12$.
  • Compute $AE = s - a = 5$.
  • Now, $$\cos^2 \left( \frac{A}{2} \right) = \frac{AN}{AI} = \frac{\text{dist}(A, EF)}{\text{dist}(M, EF)} = \frac{AE}{EP} = \frac{5}{7}$$where the penultimate equality follows from $EF \parallel \overline{MPQ}$.
  • Use $\triangle AEI$ to obtain $IF = \sqrt{10}$.
  • Extract $[ABC] = r \cdot s = 19 \sqrt{10}$, whence $m + n = \boxed{029}$.
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