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what are some good book books(apart from aops books) that would prepare me for AMC 10/12 and AIME prep. I am aiming for about 100 on the amc 10 and a 4-7 on the AIME
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Just wondering how do i apply for amc 10 this year, maa website says info about last years.
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Ok, so right now, I am doing the EGMO book by Evan Chen, but when it comes to problems, there are some that just genuinely frustrate me and I don't know how to deal with them. For example, I've spent 1.5 hrs on the second to last question in chapter 2, and used all the hints, and I still am stuck. It just frustrates me incredibly. Any tips on managing this? (or.... am I js crashing out too much?)
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A lot of integer lengths: JMO #6 or USAMO Problem 4
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Let $ABC$ be a triangle with $\angle A = 90^{\circ}$. Points $D$ and $E$ lie on sides $AC$ and $AB$, respectively, such that $\angle ABD = \angle DBC$ and $\angle ACE = \angle ECB$. Segments $BD$ and $CE$ meet at $I$. Determine whether or not it is possible for segments $AB$, $AC$, $BI$, $ID$, $CI$, $IE$ to all have integer lengths.
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lpieleanu
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A lot of integer lengths: JMO #6 or USAMO Problem 4
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Taco12 wrote:
Note that $\angle BIC=135^{\circ}$. Thus, $\cos \angle BIC = -\frac{\sqrt2}{2}$. LoC on $\triangle BIC$ now gives $$BI^2+CI^2-BI\cdot CI \cdot\sqrt2 = AB^2+AC^2,$$a contradiction.

No bary?
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Taco12 wrote:
Note that $\angle BIC=135^{\circ}$. Thus, $\cos \angle BIC = -\frac{\sqrt2}{2}$. LoC on $\triangle BIC$ now gives $$BI^2+CI^2-BI\cdot CI \cdot\sqrt2 = AB^2+AC^2,$$a contradiction.

No bary?

Why am I doing this...

Apply barycentric coordinates on $\triangle ABC$. Note that $a=\sqrt{b^2+c^2}$, so $I=(b^2+c^2:b^3+bc^2:b^2c+c^3)$. Cevian parameterization stuff then gives $D=(b^2+c^2:0:b^2c+c^3), E=(b^2+c^2:b^3+bc^2:0)$. Distance formula now yields a contradiction.
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Can we solve this problem by cartesian coordinates?
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Mathlover_1 wrote:
Can we solve this problem by cartesian coordinates?

Using Cartesian Coordinates when the problem has a incentre and 2 non perpendicular angle bisectors and 4 lines involving these stuff is probably not a good idea, but the messier it gets the more likely it is to be irrational.
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We can say that $I$ must be the incenter of $\triangle{ABC}$. This means that $AI$ bisects $\angle{BAC}$, so $\angle{BAI}=45^{\circ}$. If we use LoC on $\triangle{BAI}$, we find that:
\[AI^2+AB^2-2AB\cdot AI\cos{45}=BI^2.\]
Suppose that all of these lengths are integers. As $\cos{45}=\frac{\sqrt2}{2}$, $BI^2$ is irrational so $BI$ is not integer. This is a contradiction which means that not all of these side lengths can be integers.
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The cosine rule solution is really nice, but I just set all the lengths to be integer and length bash until I get sqrt2 is rational. This is a very nice Geom question.

Full proof here
https://infinityintegral.substack.com/p/usajmo-2010-contest-review
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just posting my scratch work with lpieleanu, oops i dont wanna do writeup but anyways the thing in diagram is sufficient to understand
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Let FSOC , if possible every given length is an integer . We use the fact that $ AD= \sqrt{bc-mn}$ where $AD$ is the internal angle bisector of $\Delta ABC$(with $D \in BC$) and $BD = m;CD=n$ and $b ,c$ are as usual length of the sides $AC$ and $AB$.(This can be easily proved with help of the stuart's theorem . Then these are some of the required lengths :
$$CE = \sqrt{ab-\frac{abc^2}{(a+b)^2}}$$$$ BD = \sqrt{ac-\frac{acb^2}{(a+c)^2}}$$$$BI = \frac{a+c}{a+b+c} BD $$$$ ID = \frac{b}{a+b+c} BD$$and thus if both $BI$ and $ID$ are integers then so is $BD$.So , $\frac{b}{a+b+c}$ has to be rational and so $(a+b+c)$ has to be rational and so $a$ has to be rational and as $a^2 = b^2+c^2$ so $a$ must be an integer.
Now by the property of pythagorean triplets we write $a , b , c$ in the form $g(r^2+s^2),2grs , g(r^2-s^2)$ where $r , s $ are coprime numbers with different parity .As , $CE$ is integer so $ab(a+b+c)(a+b-c)$ has to be a perfect square dividing the thing by $g^4$ will give us another perfect squarewriting in terms of $r,s$ we get $(r^2+s^2) 8r^2s^2(r+s)^2$ is perfect square and so $(r^2+s^2)2$ is a perfect square but as we have $r^2+s^2$ odd ,hence contradiction and as $CE$ is not an integer so at least one of $CI,IE$ must be a non-integer. $\blacksquare$
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The answer is $\boxed{\text{no}}$. Notice

\[\angle BIC = \angle BAC+ \angle ACE + \angle ABD = 135^\circ.\]
Hence,

\[AB^2+AC^2=BC^2 = BI^2+CI^2+BI \cdot CI \cdot \sqrt{2},\]
a contradiction as $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational.

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The answer is no.

Note that $$\angle{BIC}=90^\circ+\frac{\angle{A}}{2}=135^\circ.$$Law of Cosines on $\triangle{BIC}$ gives $$BI^2+CI^2+\sqrt{2}\cdot BI\cdot CI=BC^2=AB^2+AC^2\implies \sqrt{2}=\frac{AB^2+AC^2-BI^2+CI^2}{BI\cdot CI}.$$If all of these segments have integer length, the left-hand side would be irrational, while the right-hand side is rational. Therefore, it is impossible for all of these segments to have integer length.
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dumb ahh solution:

The answer is no.

Assume for the sake of contradiction that there exists $\triangle ABC$ such that each of the given segments has integer length. First, note that $\angle IBC + \angle ICB=45^\circ$, so $\angle BIC = \angle DIE = 135^\circ$. Therefore, $\angle BIE = \angle CID = 45^\circ$. Now, $\triangle DIC\sim \triangle IAC$ and $\triangle BIE\sim \triangle BAI$ by AA similarity. We are then able to derive the following equalities:
\begin{align*}
    \frac{BE}{BI}=\frac{BI}{AB}=\frac{EI}{AI}\\
    \frac{CD}{CI}=\frac{DI}{AI}=\frac{CI}{AC}.
\end{align*}Thus, $BE=\frac{BI^2}{AB}$, so $BE$ is rational. Analogously, $CD$, $AE$, and $AD$ are also rational. Also, $AI =\frac{EI\cdot BI}{BE}$, so $AI$ is rational. By the Angle Bisector Theorem, $\frac{BC}{CA}= \frac{BE}{AE}\implies BC=CA\cdot \frac{BE}{AE}$, so $BC$ is also rational. To finish, note that $[ABC] = \frac{bc}2$, so by $A=rs$ we have the inradius $r=\frac{bc}{a+b+c}$ is rational. However, $AI = r\sqrt 2 = \frac{bc}{a+b+c}\cdot \sqrt 2$, which is irrational, a contradiction. Therefore, no such triangle with the given conditions exists. $\blacksquare$
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We claim that the answer is no,
We prove our claim by contradiction,

Assume that $AB,AC,IC,IB$ $\in$ $\mathbb{Z}$

Now Let $\angle ABC$ = $2\theta$

Then, $\angle DBC$ = $\theta$

And as $\angle ACB$ = $90^\circ- 2 \theta$

$\angle ECB$ = $45^\circ- \theta$

So, $\angle BIC$ = $180^\circ$ - $\angle ACB$ - $\angle ECB$ = $135^\circ$

Now, by cosine law, we get that

$IB^2 + IC^2-\sqrt{2}\cdot IB\cdot IC$ = $AB^2 + AC^2$

Which implies that if all $AB,AC,IC,IB$ $\in$ $\mathbb{Z}$, then $\sqrt{2} \in \mathbb{Z}$, which is absurd.
$\mathbb{QED}$
$\blacksquare$
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Bro, I didn't see the Cosine Law and instead I did Sine Law howw :wallbash_red:

Let $x=AB, y=AC.$ It is well-known that $\angle BIC = 90^\circ + \frac12 \angle A = 135^\circ.$ Therefore by the Sine Law and Half Angle formula $$IB = \sqrt{2} BC \sin \frac{\angle C}{2} = \sqrt{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}(\sqrt{x^2+y^2}-AC)}.$$Therefore if $\sqrt{x^2+y^2} \notin \mathbb Z,$ we have the square root of an integer minus an irrational, which clearly cannot be an integer.

Hence $AB, AC, BC$ are integers. Let $z=BC.$ Then for positive integers $m, n, k$ with $m > n,$ WLOG $x=2mn, y=m^2-n^2, z=m^2+n^2.$ Then $$\sqrt{z^2-xz}, \sqrt{z^2-yz} \in \mathbb Z.$$The first one yields $\sqrt{(m^2+n^2)(m-n)^2} \in \mathbb Z \implies \sqrt{m^2+n^2} \in \mathbb Z,$ but the second one gives $$\sqrt{(m^2+n^2)(2n^2)} \in \mathbb Z \implies \sqrt{2n^2} \in \mathbb Z,$$a contradiction. Hence the answer is no.
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