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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
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N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
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N 5 minutes ago by Cobedangiu
$a,b,c>0$ and $a+b+c=7$. CM:
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Source: Kazakhstan mo 2019, P6, grade 9
Find all integer triples $(a,b,c)$ and natural $k$ such that $a^2+b^2+c^2=3k(ab+bc+ac)$
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If $a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k\in R^+$ and $a+b+c=d+e+f=g+h+k=8$, then find the minimum value of $\sqrt{ad^3 g^4} +\sqrt[3]{be^3 h^4} + \sqrt[8]{cf^3 k^4}$
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Let $a, b, c \ge 0$ and $ ab+bc+ca>0$. Prove that:
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Solve for x and y given that xy=923, x+y=84
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So I've been wondering how many possible "icons" can be generated when you first create an account. By "icon" I mean the stack of cubes as the first profile picture before changing it.

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N 4 hours ago by ReticulatedPython
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9 Have you participated in the MATHCOUNTS competition?
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N 5 hours ago by Inaaya
Have you participated in the MATHCOUNTS competition before?
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This problem will try to trick you! :!:

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Straightedge to draw midpoints
anantmudgal09   42
N Jul 29, 2024 by L13832
Source: INMO 2021 Problem 3
Betal marks $2021$ points on the plane such that no three are collinear, and draws all possible segments joining these. He then chooses any $1011$ of these segments, and marks their midpoints. Finally, he chooses a segment whose midpoint is not marked yet, and challenges Vikram to construct its midpoint using only a straightedge. Can Vikram always complete this challenge?

Note. A straightedge is an infinitely long ruler without markings, which can only be used to draw the line joining any two given distinct points.

Proposed by Prithwijit De and Sutanay Bhattacharya
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Betal marks $2021$ points on the plane such that no three are collinear, and draws all possible segments joining these. He then chooses any $1011$ of these segments, and marks their midpoints. Finally, he chooses a segment whose midpoint is not marked yet, and challenges Vikram to construct its midpoint using only a straightedge. Can Vikram always complete this challenge?

Note. A straightedge is an infinitely long ruler without markings, which can only be used to draw the line joining any two given distinct points.

Proposed by Prithwijit De and Sutanay Bhattacharya
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My solution (terser than the official):

Solution
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Kinda straightforward. But I liked this one. We will be using our weapons Parallelo456 and Midsegmento789 from here. Notice that if there $n$ odd points in the plane, and there are $\frac{(n+1)}{2}$ line segments joining some of the $n$ points, then atleast two of the line segments have a common vertex. So we are just left to prove this famous fact.

$\textbf{FACT:}$ $ABC$ be a triangle with midpoints $BC,CA,AB$ marked, then for any segment $PQ$ in the plane we can find its midpoint only using a straightedge.

Using Parallelo456 we can draw a line through $P$ parallel to $AB$ and a line through $Q$ parallel to $AC$. Suppose both those lines meet at $V$. Using Midsegmento789 we can get the midpoints $X,Y$ of $PV,QV$. Now let $QX\cap PY=M$. Thus $KM\cap PQ$ is the midpoint of the segment $PQ$ . $\quad\blacksquare$
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More (similar) ruler constructions can be found here

Edit: A similar idea was used in solving Sharygin P21 this year as pointed by amar_04
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How to draw parallel line using only straightedge ?
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I think you didn't considered the case when four points form a trapezium with midpoint marked on opposite sides .
With use of straightedge you can find midpoint of other 2 sides and diagonals of that figure
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Here's another (a little complicated for no reason at all) sol. We know we have a triangle and we can prove that we can convert any connected component into a clique. Now we prove that Given a triangle ABC, with midpoints DEF, we can connect BP for any P. To see this let PC meet EF at G. Then notice that the line connecting $CF \cap DE$ and $BE \cap DF$ is parallel and midway between EF and BC. let this intersect DG at M, then if M intersects DG at K and K intersect EF at S, then SGCD is a parallelogram and so just extend DS to meet PB at its midpoint. Now if we connect everything to B, its all connected so boom.
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anantmudgal09 wrote:
My solution (terser than the official):

Solution

I did prove the lemma that you mentioned and showed and used php, can I expect at least 3 marks?
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How can one draw a parallel line using only a straightedge? :huh:

Thanks @below
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spicemax wrote:
How can one draw a parallel line using only a straightedge? :huh:

It is mentioned in the problem that the line segments have their midpoints marked. So your question should be "how can one draw a line parallel to a line segment which has its midpoint marked". Refer to the diagram here
This is how we do it. The red segment $AB$ and its midpoint $M$ are given and we want to draw a line through $P$ parallel to $AB$. Take $X$ to be a point on $AP$. Let $XM\cap BP=V$ and let $AV\cap XB=Q$. By Ceva's Theorem we get $\frac{XP}{PA}\cdot\frac{AM}{MB}\cdot\frac{BQ}{QA}=1$ and as $AM=MB$ we have $\frac{XP}{PA}=\frac{XQ}{QB}$. Hence, by Thales we have $PQ\parallel AB$.
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The statement of this theorem felt slightly scam, since all we really need is that there are points $A,B,C$ such that the midpoint of $AB = M$ and midpoint of $AC = N$. With the above configuration, one can find the midpoint of any segment $UV$. Observe by PHP that we indeed do have a structure similar to what is above described. Even so, I really liked the problem.

The following two claims are crucial. [having seen them before helped :p]
Claim 1: Given segment $AB$ with midpoint $M$, once can construct a line parallel to $AB$
Proof: Pick arbitrary $C$, $X$ on $CM$ and let $AX, BX$ meet $BC, AC$ at $Y, Z$. By Ceva's $YZ$ is the desired line.

Claim 2: Given segment $AB$ and parallel line $YZ$, one can construct the midpoint of $BC$
Proof: Let $AY$ meet $BZ$ at $X$ and let $AZ$ meet $BY$ at $C$. By Ceva's $CX$ passes through the midpoint of $AB$.

Main proof:
We use this rewording:
The statement of this theorem felt slightly scam, since all we really need is that there are points $A,B,C$ such that the midpoint of $AB = M$ and midpoint of $AC = N$. With the above configuration, find the midpoint of any segment $UV$.

Let $X, Y$ be the midpoints of $MB$ and $NC$. By claim 1 we can draw line parallel to $AB\AC$ and by claim 2 we can draw in $X, Y$. Let $BC$, $XY$ and $MN$ meet $UV$ at $I, J$ and $K$. Observe that $J$ is the midpoint of $IK$. By claim 1 draw a line parallel to $IK$, and by claim $2$ draw in the midpoint of $UV$.
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How can we draw parallel lines using a straight edge only (we don't even have a compass) ??
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biomathematics
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guptaamitu1 wrote:
How can we draw parallel lines using a straight edge only (we don't even have a compass) ??

read the solution immediately above this post of yours.
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Lemma: Given a segment $AB$.And another segment $CD$ parallel to $AB$ and midpoint $M$ of $CD$.Then it is possible to construct midpoint of $AB$ using straightedge.
[asy]
 /* Geogebra to Asymptote conversion, documentation at artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki go to User:Azjps/geogebra */
import graph; size(8.cm); 
real labelscalefactor = 0.5; /* changes label-to-point distance */
pen dps = linewidth(0.7) + fontsize(10); defaultpen(dps); /* default pen style */ 
pen dotstyle = black; /* point style */ 
real xmin = 2., xmax = 10., ymin = -1., ymax = 3.5;  /* image dimensions */

 /* draw figures */
draw((2.66,2.28)--(9.1,2.28), linewidth(0.8)); 
draw((3.12,0.12)--(8.48,0.12), linewidth(0.8)); 
draw((2.66,2.28)--(8.48,0.12), linewidth(0.8)); 
draw((9.1,2.28)--(3.12,0.12), linewidth(0.8)); 
draw((xmin, 26.999999999999893*xmin-156.4799999999994)--(xmax, 26.999999999999893*xmax-156.4799999999994), linewidth(0.8)); /* line */
 /* dots and labels */
dot((2.66,2.28),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$A$", (2.74,2.36), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((9.1,2.28),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$B$", (9.18,2.36), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((3.12,0.12),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$C$", (3.2,0.2), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((8.48,0.12),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$D$", (8.56,0.2), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((5.8,0.12),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$M$", (5.88,0.2), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((5.836338983050848,1.1011525423728812),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$X$", (5.92,1.18), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((5.88,2.28),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$F$", (5.96,2.36), NE * labelscalefactor); 
clip((xmin,ymin)--(xmin,ymax)--(xmax,ymax)--(xmax,ymin)--cycle); 
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[/asy]
Proof. At least one of $AC\cap BD$,$AD\cap BC$ will not be a point at infinity.Wlog, $AD\cap BC=X\ne P_{\infty}$.Then $XM$ bisects $AB$.$\quad\square$

Now given $n$ points [$n$ odd] and $\frac{n+1}{2}$ segments each with end point from the $n$ points. Then we can find 2 segments which are not parallel. Indeed, among $n$ points there can be at most $\frac{n-1}{2}$ segments parallel to a particular direction.
Let We want to bisect $AB$.
Suppose there is a segment parallel to $AB$ whose midpoint is marked. Then using the lemma we are done.Otherwise, assume no segment with marked midpoint is parallel to $AB$.Suppose $XY$,$MN$ are 2 segment such that midpoint of $XY$ and $MN$ is marked and $XY$ and $MN$ are not parallel.

Given any segment $XY$ and its midpoint and given any other point $P$. It is possible to draw a parallel line of $XY$ through $CD$.proof
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import graph; size(12.cm); 
real labelscalefactor = 0.5; /* changes label-to-point distance */
pen dps = linewidth(0.7) + fontsize(10); defaultpen(dps); /* default pen style */ 
pen dotstyle = black; /* point style */ 
real xmin = 2., xmax = 14., ymin = -3., ymax = 4.;  /* image dimensions */
pen ffqqff = rgb(1.,0.,1.); 
 /* draw figures */
draw((4.6,2.7)--(9.02,2.72), linewidth(0.8)); 
draw((4.24,-0.14)--(8.86,-2.12), linewidth(0.8) + blue); 
draw((11.56,2.02)--(12.62,-0.44), linewidth(0.8) + ffqqff); 
draw((6.106445534619243,4.342777344185527)--(8.06642323558925,-0.20585015051845357), linewidth(0.8) + linetype("4 4") + ffqqff); 
draw((8.346582673653696,4.282836436615007)--(10.994514438621918,-1.8623636971791737), linewidth(0.8) + ffqqff); 
draw((4.6,2.7)--(10.031680911680908,0.37213675213675307), linewidth(0.8) + blue); 
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dot((4.6,2.7),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$A$", (4.7066,2.7994), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((9.02,2.72),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$B$", (9.111,2.8236), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((4.24,-0.14),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$X$", (4.3436,-0.032), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((8.86,-2.12),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$Y$", (8.9658,-2.0164), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((11.56,2.02),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$M$", (11.652,2.1218), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((12.62,-0.44),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$N$", (12.7168,-0.3466), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((10.031680911680908,0.37213675213675307),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$K$", (10.1274,0.4762), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((7.315840455840454,1.5360683760683767),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$G$", (7.417,1.6378), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((9.525840455840454,1.5460683760683767),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$R$", (9.6192,1.6378), NE * labelscalefactor); 
dot((6.81,2.71),linewidth(2.pt) + dotstyle); 
label("$C$", (6.9088,2.7994), NE * labelscalefactor); 
clip((xmin,ymin)--(xmin,ymax)--(xmax,ymax)--(xmax,ymin)--cycle); 
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[/asy]
So draw a parallel line of $XY$ through $A$,draw a parallel line of $MN$ through $B$.[This can be done since mid-point of $XY$,$MN$ is marked.] Let them intersects at $K$.By the lemma it is possible to find mid-point $G$ of $KA$,midpoint $R$ of $KB$ [Since,$KA||XY$ and mid-point of $XY$ is given,$KB||MN$,midpoint of $MN$ is given.
Now again it is possible to draw a parallel line to $BK$ through $G$ since midpoint of $BK$ is $R$.This line passes through midpoint of $AB$.
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Vikram Betal. :rotfl: (Old Bengali Cartoon :D).Next time Nonte and fonte pls or maybe motu patlu. :roll:
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anantmudgal09 wrote:
My solution (terser than the official):

Solution
You cannot draw parallel lines, as stated in the problem, you can only draw lines bw two known, given points
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@anantmudgal09 Sir, I think my solution is a bit easier. As no 3 are collinear we can form a triangle between any 3 of the points I use a single marked line to get the midpoints for all the other lines. I take an unmarked line AB and a marked line CD (Midpoint be P). In triangle ACD with base as AD then as we know the midpoint of CD, I place the straight edge on AD and translate it until it touches P without changing its orientation. Mark its intersection point with AC as Q. Now we have the midpoint of AC. Now repeat the same with triangle ABC with BC as the base, we get the midpoint of AB. If we repeat this process many times then we can find the midpoint of all the lines
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@anantmudgal09 Sir, Could you please tell me how much can I fetch.
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@above sorry for being rude but that’s a clear 0.
EDIT: because translation is not allowed
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@above I am sorry, but I think the solution that Mr. Anant Mudgal and @amar_04 have proposed is based on the fact that we can draw a parallel line. Then how isn't it the same case as mine. And also it is a ruler In practical situations we can translate it without changing its direction.
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Consider a case in which the distance between some two points is $1$ Million Trillion light years.... So how are you going to translate it?
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Also, how can you translate a straightedge without altering its orientation even slightly?
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biomathematics
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N1RAV wrote:
Consider a case in which the distance between some two points is $1$ Million Trillion light years.... So how are you going to translate it?

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
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biomathematics wrote:
N1RAV wrote:
Consider a case in which the distance between some two points is $1$ Million Trillion light years.... So how are you going to translate it?

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I meant that the proof in #18 is wrong
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@above Please note that it is an infinite ruler.
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@L567 It is an ideal case. Just like a frictionless surface and an infinite ruler.
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biomathematics
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CrazyBoy2.0 wrote:
@above Please note that it is an infinite ruler.

unfortunately it's not correct anyway. you can't "hand-translate" a straightedge. a proof cannot be an experimental idea with human error.

When we mean straightedge, we mean that given any two points on the plane we can make a line through them. that's all the power that a straightedge has.
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CrazyBoy2.0 wrote:
@L567 It is an ideal case. Just like a frictionless surface and an infinite ruler.

The question itself specifies..., that it can only be used to draw the line between any two points, thats it, you cant translate it and draw parallel lines
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Infinite ruler means we can draw points at infinity along with the line at infinity
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@biomathematics You can't take human error in an ideal condition.
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@L567 Nevertheless it is a ruler. I will just modify its purpose. You can translate a scale without changing its direction. Why not an infinite one?
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biomathematics
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Don't treat it as a physical ruler. Just imagine that Vikram can join two points and extend it both sides infinitely.

Also, besides the problem, I really want to know how you can translate an unmarked scale and keep it parallel.

idk how to explain any further.
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CrazyBoy2.0 wrote:
@L567 Nevertheless it is a ruler. I will just modify its purpose. You can translate a scale without changing its direction. Why not an infinite one?

Because the problem clearly states that all you can use it for is to draw a line between two points, thats it, you cant do any more with it
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@biomathematics I know I shouldn't use vector algebra in INMO. But I am going to use it now. Consider the base vector as AK(bar). If you place a ruler on it then it is going to represent that vector multiplied by scalar (As I don't know the length of ruler and vector).

Now we have assumed that the ruler is a vector.
According to the definition of free vector, A free vector can be translated anywhere in the space without changing its magnitude and direction.
So I translate it to another point in space without changing its direction.(Magnitude unknown).

Now we get a parallel vector.

You can verify it practically by using my solution.(It's gonna be an example of the practical application)
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CrazyBoy2.0 wrote:
I know I shouldn't use vector algebra in INMO. But I am going to use it now

You can, if I am not wrong
CrazyBoy2.0 wrote:
Now we have assumed that the ruler is a vector..So I translate it to another point in space without changing its direction.(Magnitude unknown).

Ummm, no you can't do that
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@CrazyBoy2.0 Arguing here wont help anyhow... and definitely your solution is wrong according to me and if you don't get a 17 for this problem, then kindly read all these posts again and try to understand the meaning of the words used in the question :)
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@Dr.Vex He is asking practically. See the second paragraph.
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To modify the purpose of the straightedge (especially when its purpose is clearly stated!) is quite simply put, absurd.
It is as if someone wrote the following solution to IMO 2017 P3 (Hunter and Rabbit):
"We modify the tracking device such that it always reports the exact location of the rabbit. Then the hunter can always move to the rabbit's location and clearly guarantee it stays close enough to the rabbit. QED"
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IAmTheHazard wrote:
To modify the purpose of the straightedge (especially when its purpose is clearly stated!) is quite simply put, absurd.
It is as if someone wrote the following solution to IMO 2017 P3 (Hunter and Rabbit):
"We modify the tracking device such that it always reports the exact location of the rabbit. Then the hunter can always move to the rabbit's location and clearly guarantee it stays close enough to the rabbit. QED"

haha, that corresponds to $-7$ on the IMO

@39 tbh @Dr_Vex is correct and you are wrong, and still if you think you are correct, you keep you explanation with yourself (Sorry if I sound rude), and I request all others not to reply

Thanks
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@Abhaysingh2003 For God's sake I just have 2 accounts and this is created 'cause I forgot my password to the old one and my email is unavailable that time. Now my primary account is gone.
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Cool problem

The answer is yes. By PHP we see that there is a pair of segments with marked midpoints share and endpoint. Let these segments be $PA$ and $PB$ with midpoints $M_B$ and $M_A$, respectively. Given any other point $C$, we claim we construct the midpoint of $PC$.

Indeed, mark the point $X$ which is the intersection of $AP$ and $BC$. Notice that in any triangle with two marked midpoints, we can mark the third midpoint by marking the centroid and drawing the line between the last vertex and the centroid, call this fact $(\star)$. By $(\star)$ on $PAB$ we can mark the midpoint $M_P$ of $AB$. Extending $M_PM_A$ intersects $BX$ at it's midpoint $N$. By $( \star )$ on $BPX$, we can mark the midpoint $K$ of $PX$. Finally, the midpoint of $PC$ is the intersection of $KM_A$ and $PC$.

Thus, we can construct the midpoints of a segment with endpoint $P$. Doing this quickly increases the number of midpoints, and repeatedly doing the process above yields every possible midpoint between any two of the $2021$ points.
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Claim I: Given 2 segments $AB$ and $AC$ with their midpoints, the midpoints of BC can also be constructed using a straightedge.
Claim II: Given a segment $AB$, its midpoint , and any point C, a parallel line can be drawn through $C$
Claim III: Given 2 non-parallel segments $AB, BC$ with their midpoints $M, N$, midpoint of any other segment $DE$ can be constructed using a straight-edge.

After proving these claims you can easily move by contradiction because if no 2 segments will share an endpoint, then we will have 2022 endpoints, which is false, so at least 2 segments can have their midpoints marked, if those two segments are AB and BC, they cannot be parallel
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