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k a May Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
jlacosta   0
May 1, 2025
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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Arr0w
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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JBMO TST Bosnia and Herzegovina 2024 P1
FishkoBiH   1
N a minute ago by clarkculus
Source: JBMO TST Bosnia and Herzegovina 2024 P1
Let $a$,$b$,$c$ be real numbers different from 0 for which $ab$ + $bc$+ $ca$ = 0 holds
a) Prove that ($a$+$b$)($b$+$c$)($c$+$a$)≠ 0
b) Let $X$ = $a$ + $b$ + $c$ and $Y$ = $\frac{1}{a+b}$ + $\frac{1}{b+c}$ + $\frac{1}{c+a}$. Prove that numbers $X$ and $Y$ are both positive or both negative.
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1997 Problem
Chinaboy   74
N 2 minutes ago by Schintalpati
Source: 1997 USAMO #2
Let $ABC$ be a triangle. Take points $D$, $E$, $F$ on the perpendicular bisectors of $BC$, $CA$, $AB$ respectively. Show that the lines through $A$, $B$, $C$ perpendicular to $EF$, $FD$, $DE$ respectively are concurrent.
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A second final attempt to make a combinatorics problem
JARP091   0
3 minutes ago
Source: At the time of writing this problem I do not know the source if any
Arthur Morgan is playing a game.

He has $n$ eggs, each with a hardness value $k_1, k_2, \dots, k_n$, where $\{k_1, k_2, \dots, k_n\}$ is a permutation of the set $\{1, 2, \dots, n\}$. He is throwing the eggs from an $m$-floor building.

When the $i$-th egg is dropped from the $j$-th floor, its new hardness becomes
\[
\left\lfloor \frac{k_i}{j} \right\rfloor.
\]If $\left\lfloor \frac{k_i}{j} \right\rfloor = 0$, then the egg breaks and cannot be used again.

Arthur can drop each egg from a particular floor at most once.
For which values of $n$ and $m$ can Arthur always determine the correct ordering of the eggs according to their initial hardness values?
Note: The problem might be wrong or too easy
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Hunter rabbit makes a comeback
everythingpi3141592   16
N 4 minutes ago by Atmadeep
Source: India IMOTC 2024 Day 1 Problem 1
A sleeping rabbit lies in the interior of a convex $2024$-gon. A hunter picks three vertices of the polygon and he lays a trap which covers the interior and the boundary of the triangular region determined by them. Determine the minimum number of times he needs to do this to guarantee that the rabbit will be trapped.

Proposed by Anant Mudgal and Rohan Goyal
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May 31, 2024
Atmadeep
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khan academy
Spacepandamath13   17
N Today at 3:41 AM by KF329
I haven't done khan academy in so long but today I had to learn law of sines. I wish khan academy taught competition math because their format, and self paced learning seems a bit better than aops' plus sal's videos for each topic are so good
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May 18, 2025
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A7456321   13
N Today at 2:52 AM by A7456321
What is your favorite math topic/subject?

If you don't know why you are here, go binge watch something!

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If you know why you are here and have voted, maybe say why you picked the option that you picked in a response) :thumbup:

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Phillips Exeter is looking for math kids! That means YOU!
enya_yurself   51
N Today at 2:09 AM by Spacepandamath13
I have received some insider information that may or may not prove to be helpful to you all. I am not sure where the best place to post this is, but somebody recommended msm so here I am.

[quote]admissions was explicitly told to accept more math kids, 25 26 and 27 have been pretty disappointing for the math dept bc of covid[/quote]
(source: a friend who talked to a faculty member on the admissions committee)

This means that Phillips Exeter is looking for more people like you all! I hope y'all choose to apply!

Remember that Exeter offers need blind financial aid :)
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Spacepandamath13
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Summer math contest prep
Abby0618   14
N Today at 1:59 AM by CJB19
School is almost out, so I have a lot of time in the summer. I want to be able to make DHR on AMC 8 in 7th grade

(current 6th grader) and hopefully get an average score in AMC 10. What should I do during the summer to achieve

these goals? For context, I have many books from AOPS, have already taken the Intro to Algebra A course, and took

AMC 8 for the first time as a 6th grader. If there are any challenging math problems you think would benefit learning,

please post them here. Thank you! :-D
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May 22, 2025
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Today at 1:59 AM
Solve this
DhruvJha   3
N Today at 1:18 AM by tintin21
Len is playing a Arkansas-styled basketball game with his friend, Dawson. The game ends whenever a player has a 2 point lead over the other player. In Arkansas styled basketball, points can only be scored in increments of two. Whenever Len has possession of the ball, he scores at a rate of 60 percent. However, Dawson is slightly worse and when he has possession of the ball, he scores at a rate of only 40 percent. Given that Len starts with possession first each game, what is the expected amount of games he wins if they play 38 total?
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DhruvJha
Yesterday at 9:20 PM
tintin21
Today at 1:18 AM
polynomial division vs simplify
Miranda2829   1
N Today at 12:58 AM by CJB19
the question is

4x² - 4x +1 divide by 2x + 1 write in fraction format

the answer is 2x-3 + 4/2x+1

so my question is can we simiplfy this -4x with 2x become -2x

then answer 4x² -2x+1?

Im confused , when do usual fraction division we can simplify, but in above question doesn't seem to work.

many thanks
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Miranda2829
Today at 12:31 AM
CJB19
Today at 12:58 AM
Estimation Problems
slightly_irrational   3
N Today at 12:20 AM by CJB19
Is there a general strategy for problems like this where you find the first nonzero digit of some number?

Mathcounts 2025 Chapter Sprint 28
What is the first non-zero digit of $\sqrt{75^2 + 1}$ that appears after the decimal point?
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slightly_irrational
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CJB19
Today at 12:20 AM
2025 Mathcounts Nationals Journal
Andyluo   60
N Yesterday at 11:57 PM by pingpongmerrily
Friday May 9th

I spent my evening after school, packing for the trip, using the checklist given by my coach.
I didn’t do much preparation, as I was mostly chilling out for the upcoming days.

I also played basketball with my cousin, Kevin, who met Gotham Chess and stayed at his home!


Saturday, May 10th

I woke up at 5:30 AM, ate a light breakfast, and headed out to the airport with my luggage.

I met my teacher, but was surprised that Archishman split up with his own family.
Waiting for the TSA was pretty boring, but we soon got through, and after I found our gate.

A couple of minutes pass by, as I review an AOPS mock where I meet Archischman;
Afterward, we chill out, watch the rube goldberg machine in the airport, and wait to board the plane.

During the plane ride, I played games; however, during our descent, I heard a loud crack, and our plane started wobbling, and we heard cracking sounds in the seats. Fortunately, we were able to land and were able to attend the competition the next day.

After this, heading out, we went to the shuttle; however, we had 35 minutes. We tried to solve the Jane Street card puzzle but failed, and ended up socializing.

After we arrived at the hotel, we received a MASSIVE amount of stuff, like calculators, shirts, coupons, plaques, stickers, etc.
I also saw and got a signature from Richard Rusczyk, which was really cool.

Then, we went to a restaurant named “Chinatown Garden”, with the worst food I’ve ever had.

We then chilled in our rooms, studied for a bit, and started organizing plans for pin trading.

Our goal was to scam as many people as possible by doing 2:1 trades, as we had a “limited”
amount of pins. (We even got 5:1 and 10:1 trades)
A Virginia kid scammed me with a STEM pin, so I chased him down and got our pin back.

We got through around half the states organizing in and out of what pins we had.

Finally, we got some food from the buffet (which was surprisingly decent) and had a good time trading some more.

We ended the day with a short and brief CDR, where we had some fun, and then we went to sleep to anticipate the next day.

At night, I showered and sang karaoke with Archi.

Sunday, May 11th

Getting ready, I found out that a mock (outside the box) was recently released and took it through breakfast.

Then, once we got there at 8:30, there was a mob of parents taking pictures, and music played.

Then every team did introductions/attendance and their chants, most of which were really cringe.

I took the test; however was too slow on the sprint round and got a predicted 16.

On the target round, I was able to get through and got a 12, despite barely not solving p8 to my frustration.

Team round we did decently, scoring a 14/20, which was one of the best scores around us, that even orz states like Texas and Washington didn’t beat.

I predicted around a 28 with the answer key.

After this, we teamed up with North Carolina (chill af) and went to a pho shop (54 Restaurant), which tasted amazing. (A far contrast from Chinatown Garden)

Then, we went to an aerospace museum, where we played Brawl Stars and went around. Eventually, we saw models of blackholes and air vacuums, and played a flight simulator.

Then we went to our hotel, chilled, and watched basketball games.

After, we went to an Indian restaurant named “Himilayan Doko” which was really delicious!

Then we raided different rooms, from NC, HAWAII, Idaho, Virgin Islands, and accidentally a random dudes room who was ticked at us.

Finally, we chilled and went to sleep, though I tried to get Henry and Archi to sleep since they were being annoying.

Monday, May 12th

We start the day forming my pin badge, and then we went to get some breakfast.

After that, we met in the breakfast area with 2 teams for table, and I actually got a 10:1 pin trade which was pretty cool.

After that, we lined up and got our thunderstick/clapping machines, and ran through the entrance of the CDR.

Sadly, we didn’t win anything, but it was cool seeing the results.

Then, we started to watch the CDR, which was really exciting.
It got really interesting when everyone saw Nathan Liu cook his opponent in half a second.

In the semifinals, it was insane, and Advait and Nathan, buzzed every question that was around mid-sprint level.

Then, it finished with Nathan beating Brandon with a 2-second solve, absolute insanity.

Finally, we went back to our rooms and got lunch in the hotel.
A few hours later, we received our scores, and I had bombed, scoring a 26 with 7 sillies. (ouch)

Unfortunately, my teammates Henry and Archishman sillied a bunch of questions.

After, we played Brawl Stars, and went to explore the hotel, where we went up a random staircase and got stuck. We went to the roof, but got scared and yelled out for help on the gym floor. Thankfully, we got back, and I went and reviewed the test.

After we reviewed the test, and went to the Mathcounts Party.

The food was mid, but the games were pretty fun.

We met a bunch of people, played air hockey, foosball, and basketball, while listening to the not so great music in the background.

Then we went back to our rooms at 8PM, to put our pins on, and I got 38/56!

Finally, we met up in a room with a bunch of Cali, and NC kids, and talked about the test, the people, and played Brawl Stars. Even Josh Frost came up to us and asked us how the trip was.

Tuesday, May 13th

I started the day waking up at 6:20, and packed up and ate breakfast. After that, Henry was late, so we packed food for him and went to the bus shuttle.

Eventually, we arrived at the airport, went through security (which was suspiciously fast), and played Brawl Stars. We also ate five guys fries, which was pretty good. Eventually, we had to part our ways with Henry and headed out to our flights, which marked the end of the trip.

Conclusion:

Although we didn’t do amazingly well in the contest, going to DC was an amazing experience. I got to meet people who were passionate about math, and hang out with them, goofing around.

This was the best math contest experience that I’ll likely ever have, and I’m glad I went through it.
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Andyluo
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pingpongmerrily
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Challenge: Make every number to 100 using 4 fours
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I've seen this attempted a lot but I want to see if the AoPS community can actually do it. Using ONLY 4 fours and math operations, make as many numbers as you can. Try to go in order. I'll start:
$$(4-4)*4*4=0$$$$4-4+4/4=1$$$$4/4+4/4=2$$$$(4+4+4)/4=3$$$$4+(4-4)*4=4$$$$4+4^{4-4}=5$$$$4!/4+4-4=6$$$$4+4-4/4=7$$$$4+4+4-4=8$$
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Moon_settler
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Tricky problem
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$\text{Mrs. Lee announced that any student who scored }90\text{ or higher on the final test would receive an }A\text{ for the class.}$
$\text{Consider the following statements:}$

$\text{Lauren scored an }80\text{ on the final and received an }A\text{ for the class.}$
$\text{Lauren scored a }90\text{ on the final and received an }A\text{ for the class.}$
$\text{Lauren scored an }80\text{ on the final and did not receive an }A\text{ for the class.}$
$\text{Lauren scored a }90\text{ on the final and did not receive an }A\text{ for the class.}$

$\text{How many of the statements above are possibly true?}$

I got this problem wrong when I first tried it. :(
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VivaanKam
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Craftybutterfly
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AP is perpendicular to PC
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N Mar 27, 2024 by anantmudgal09
Source: China TST 2011 - Quiz 1 - D2 - P1
Let one of the intersection points of two circles with centres $O_1,O_2$ be $P$. A common tangent touches the circles at $A,B$ respectively. Let the perpendicular from $A$ to the line $BP$ meet $O_1O_2$ at $C$. Prove that $AP\perp PC$.
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Let one of the intersection points of two circles with centres $O_1,O_2$ be $P$. A common tangent touches the circles at $A,B$ respectively. Let the perpendicular from $A$ to the line $BP$ meet $O_1O_2$ at $C$. Prove that $AP\perp PC$.
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It's somehow intresting to me that our teacher gave us this problem about $2$ years ago! for solving it, extend $PC$ to intersect the circle with center $O_1$...
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Hmm, this is basically question 2 of 15 IBMO-Venezuela. See the following threads

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=83793
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=336494
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=288&t=80971
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This solution assumes $AB$ is the closer tangent to $P$, which I think the original problem states (it doesn't matter though).

Let $(O_1)\cap(O_2)=\{P,Q\}$, $M=AB\cap PQ$, and $A'$ be the reflection of $A$ over $O_1$. Clearly $\angle{CPA}=90^\circ\Longleftrightarrow\angle{AA'C}=\angle{AA'P}$. But $\angle{AA'P}=\angle{BAP}$, so it suffices to show $\triangle{AA'C}\sim\triangle{BAP}\Longleftrightarrow\triangle{AO_1C}\sim\triangle{BMP}$ (equivalent since $O_1,M$ are the midpoints of $AA',BA$ respectively), which is just a simple angle chase.
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This solution by RaleD is a very nice solution. At first glance, I thought it is similar to mine. In fact, it's way simpler and nicer. In my opinion, it's very clever to use the radical axis.

My solution also uses something like the equation $CN*CA=CP^2$ to get a geometric relation.

Here is how it goes:
Let the line through $C$ perpendicular to $AB$ intersect $AB$ at point $S$.
A direct calculation of side lengths (starting with $BC^2-PC^2=AB^2-AP^2$) yields $AS\cdot AB=AP^2$
Now, it is easy to find that $A,S,C,P$ are concyclic, which leads to $\angle{APC}=90^\circ$
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Denote $Q$ the other intersection point of two circles,let $M$ be the intersection point of $PQ$ and $AB$ and let $O$ be the circumcenter of $ABQ$.Now,let $C'$ be the intersection of the perpendicular from $A$ to $BP$ and the perpendicular from $P$ to $AP$.Now,we have that $AOM$ is similar to $APC'$ so we get $APM$ is similar to $AC'P$.Now,from an easy angle chase and using the previos similarity we get $QC'O$ is similar to $QPB$ and from this we get $QC'=PC'$ so $C'=C$ and that is it.
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Here's another solution:

Define $Z \equiv AB \cap O_1O_2$ and let $ZP, AC$ cut $(O_1)$ for a second time at $Q, C'$, respectively. Let $H$ be the projection of $A$ onto $O_1O_2.$ Note that $Z$ is the external center of homothety that maps $(O_2) \mapsto (O_1).$ It is clear that this homothety takes $B \mapsto A$ and $P \mapsto Q$, so $AC \perp BP \implies AC \perp AQ.$ Hence, $\overline{QC'}$ is a diameter of $(O_1) \implies Q, C', O_1$ are collinear. Furthermore, note that $\angle ZHA = \angle ZAO_1 = 90^{\circ} \implies \triangle ZAH \sim \triangle ZO_1A \implies ZH \cdot ZO_1 = ZA^2 = ZP \cdot ZQ$, where the last step follows from Power of a Point. Therefore, $H, O_1, P, Q$ are concyclic, so $\measuredangle PHC = \measuredangle PHO_1 = \measuredangle PQO_1 = \measuredangle PQC' = \measuredangle PAC' = \measuredangle PAC$, where the angles are directed. Hence, $P, H, C, A$ are concyclic, so $\measuredangle APC = \measuredangle AHC = 90^{\circ}$, as desired. $\square$

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with using the special point on the median ( X ) , the problem sounds easy :)
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My solution is pretty much the identical solution outlined through by @math154.

Let $P, Q$ be the points of intersection between circles with circumcenters $O_1, O_2$ with $P$ closer to line $AB$ than $Q$. Let $X = PQ \cap O_1O_2$, and $A_1, B_1$ denote the reflections of $A, B$ over $O_1, O_2$, respectively. Also let $M$ denote the midpoint of line $AB$. We then make the following claim:

Claim: $\triangle A_1O_1C \sim \triangle AMP$.
Proof: We have that as $AA_1 \parallel BB_1$, that \[\measuredangle A_1OC = \measuredangle BO_2C = \measuredangle AMP, \]as $BMXO_2$ is also cyclic. $\square$

We now show that $A_1, C, P$ are collinear:

Claim: $A_1, C, P$ are collinear.
Proof: We wish to show $\measuredangle AA_1C = \measuredangle AA_1P$. It then suffices to equivalently show $\triangle A_1O_1C \sim \triangle AMP$. Indeed, we have that \[\measuredangle AA_1C = \measuredangle MAP, \]and by the above claim/lemma, we obtain the desired similarlity. $\square$

Hence we have that $A_1, C, P$ are collinear, in particular $AP \perp PC$, as desired. $\blacksquare$
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Let $T$ the symmetric of $A$ wrt $O_1O_2$ ;
$S$ be the ex-similicenter ; $Q$ the intersection of $(O_1)$ and $ SP$;
$P',A'$ the antipodes of $P,A$;
$D$ the intersection of $A'P'$ and $O_1O_2$ ;
$C'$ the intersection of $ PP'$ and $O_1O_2$ we will show that $C'=C$ :
by butterfly we deduce that $O_1C'=O_1D$ i.e. $PAP'A'$ is parallelogram.
More $A'(PQ,AT)=-1$ but $A'(C'D,O_1 T)=-1$ hence $A',D,Q$ are collinear.
Since $A'Q\parallel AC'$ then $AC'\perp AQ\parallel BP$
therefore $C'=C$ .
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WakeUp wrote:
Let one of the intersection points of two circles with centres $O_1,O_2$ be $P$. A common tangent touches the circles at $A,B$ respectively. Let the perpendicular from $A$ to the line $BP$ meet $O_1O_2$ at $C$. Prove that $AP\perp PC$.

By drawing the missing orthocentre in $\triangle APB$, the problem becomes equivalent to a statement regarding the queue-config which is quite neat: In triangle $ABC$ with orthocentre $H$ and point $Q$ on arc $\widehat{BAC}$ such that $\angle AQH =90^{\circ}$ (hence $QH$ bisects $BC$), the line through $H$ parallel to $AB$, the line $AC$, and the perpendicular bisector of line $QH$ concur. Let $X, Y$ be points on $AB, AC$ such that $AXHY$ is a parallelogram. Then line $XY$ passes through the midpoint of $AH$, i.e, the centre of the circumcircle of $\triangle AQH$. Also, $(AX, AY, AH, AQ)=-1$ by projecting all on line $BC$, hence $XY \parallel AQ$ or $XY \perp QH$, hence $XY$ is the perpendicular bisector of $QH$, and proving $Y$ lies on it was all we needed.
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