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How many people actually get a flat 0/42 on jmo? I took it for the first time this year and I had never done oly math before so I really only had 2 weeks to figure it out since I didn’t think I would qual. I went in not expecting much but I didn’t think I wouldn’t be able to get ANYTHING. So I’m pretty sure I got 0/42 (unless i get pity points for writing incorrect solutions). Is that bad, am I sped, and should I be embarrassed? Or do other people actually also get 0?
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Question about AMC 10/12 and AIME book
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Hi,
I was wondering if the following book is worth going through. It has A LOT of problems and i dont want to waste time if there are better resources. Does anyone know something about this, and can comment?
Thanks
https://www.omegalearn.org/mastering-amc1012
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It seems like AOPS is going through a stressful phase right now.

Let's lighten the mood by voting on the best proof endings!
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Source: 2020 USOMO Problem 1
Let $ABC$ be a fixed acute triangle inscribed in a circle $\omega$ with center $O$. A variable point $X$ is chosen on minor arc $AB$ of $\omega$, and segments $CX$ and $AB$ meet at $D$. Denote by $O_1$ and $O_2$ the circumcenters of triangles $ADX$ and $BDX$, respectively. Determine all points $X$ for which the area of triangle $OO_1O_2$ is minimized.

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Sums Powers of Roots
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N Mar 30, 2025 by AshAuktober
Source: AMC 12A 2019 #17
Let $s_k$ denote the sum of the $\textit{k}$th powers of the roots of the polynomial $x^3-5x^2+8x-13$. In particular, $s_0=3$, $s_1=5$, and $s_2=9$. Let $a$, $b$, and $c$ be real numbers such that $s_{k+1} = a \, s_k + b \, s_{k-1} + c \, s_{k-2}$ for $k = 2$, $3$, $....$ What is $a+b+c$?

$\textbf{(A)} \; -6 \qquad \textbf{(B)} \; 0 \qquad \textbf{(C)} \; 6 \qquad \textbf{(D)} \; 10 \qquad \textbf{(E)} \; 26$
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Sums Powers of Roots
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Let $s_k$ denote the sum of the $\textit{k}$th powers of the roots of the polynomial $x^3-5x^2+8x-13$. In particular, $s_0=3$, $s_1=5$, and $s_2=9$. Let $a$, $b$, and $c$ be real numbers such that $s_{k+1} = a \, s_k + b \, s_{k-1} + c \, s_{k-2}$ for $k = 2$, $3$, $....$ What is $a+b+c$?

$\textbf{(A)} \; -6 \qquad \textbf{(B)} \; 0 \qquad \textbf{(C)} \; 6 \qquad \textbf{(D)} \; 10 \qquad \textbf{(E)} \; 26$
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Urgh this is when i regret not bothering to learn Newton's Sums :/
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Solution
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wait its not newtons sums .____.
Solution
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budu wrote:
wait its not newtons sums .____.
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That's the proof for newtons sums.
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Mudkipswims42
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budu wrote:
wait its not newtons sums .____.
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!!! Wow I am floored
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Wait why did I think that 5-8+13=0 :(
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Did 5+8+13 = 26 :wallbash_red:
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This was the worst problem on this test.
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What the heck i am so stupid
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Jzhang21
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greenturtle3141 wrote:
This was the worst problem on this test.

Agreed. This problem is so tricky but if you know the trick, this is trivial.
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karolina.newgard
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Wow. I love this problem. This is the best kind of algebra problem. This is the kind of problem that makes me regret not taking the 12. Also see 1990 AIME #15

Find $a_{}^{}x^5 + b_{}y^5$ if the real numbers $a_{}^{}$, $b_{}^{}$, $x_{}^{}$, and $y_{}^{}$ satisfy the equations \[ax + by = 3^{}_{},\]\[ax^2 + by^2 = 7^{}_{},\]\[ax^3 + by^3 = 16^{}_{},\]\[ax^4 + by^4 = 42^{}_{}.\]
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wait this prob was misplaced af, solved it in like 30 seconds, especially if you fakesolve it

can't you just do
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karolina.newgard wrote:
Wow. I love this problem. This is the best kind of algebra problem. This is the kind of problem that makes me regret not taking the 12. Also see 1990 AIME #15

Find $a_{}^{}x^5 + b_{}y^5$ if the real numbers $a_{}^{}$, $b_{}^{}$, $x_{}^{}$, and $y_{}^{}$ satisfy the equations \[ax + by = 3^{}_{},\]\[ax^2 + by^2 = 7^{}_{},\]\[ax^3 + by^3 = 16^{}_{},\]\[ax^4 + by^4 = 42^{}_{}.\]

That problem was actually algebra. This AMC problem is just knowing the trick
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No both are generating function questions, although admittedly this problem was legit just knowing how to construct a characteristic equation
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Let p,q,r be the roots of the equation. adding them, we get s3-5s2+8s1=39. s3=44. S3=as2+bs1+cs0. Substitute s3,s2,s1,s0, we get 5-8+13=10 D
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Let $s_k$ denote the sum of the $\textit{k}$th powers of the roots of the polynomial $x^3-5x^2+8x-13$. In particular, $s_0=3$, $s_1=5$, and $s_2=9$. Let $a$, $b$, and $c$ be real numbers such that $s_{k+1} = a \, s_k + b \, s_{k-1} + c \, s_{k-2}$ for $k = 2$, $3$, $....$ What is $a+b+c$?

$\textbf{(A)} \; -6 \qquad \textbf{(B)} \; 0 \qquad \textbf{(C)} \; 6 \qquad \textbf{(D)} \; 10 \qquad \textbf{(E)} \; 26$

#WhoNeedsNewtonSums

Just note that if a root satisfies $r^3-5r^2+8r-13=0$, then we have $r^{k+1}=5r^k-8r^{k-1}+13r^{k-2}$. Summing over all 3 roots, we get an equation of the desired form, so the answer is $5-8+13=\boxed{\textbf{(D)}10}.$
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What is Newton's Sums?
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What is Newton's Sums?

Google it. It's a way to find the values for $x^{k}_1 + x^{k}_2 + x^k_3 + \cdots$ where $x_i$ are the roots of $a_n x^n + a_{n-1} x^{n-1} + \cdots a_0$ in terms of the coefficients, iirc
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I did, but it was hard to understand and I couldn't understand why. This is what it said on the AoPS Wiki: $$a_nP_1 + a_{n-1} = 0$$$$a_nP_2 + a_{n-1}P_1 + 2a_{n-2}=0$$$$a_nP_3 + a_{n-1}P_2 + a_{n-2}P_1 + 3a_{n-3}=0$$$$\vdots$$Is that correct? / Is that what Newton's Sums are?
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finally a proof for newtons sums :omighty: i am so dumb
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Solution: Ok you can use newton's sums to get a system of equations and then do guesswork on $(a, b, c)$ and get it. But this way is SO MUCH BETTER: $x^3 - 5x^2 + 8x - 13 = 0 \Rightarrow x^3 = 5x^2 - 8x + 13 \Rightarrow x^{k+1} = 5x^k - 8x^{k-1} + 13x^{k-2}$, so our answer is $\boxed{D}$. Fun fact: This is LITERALLY the proof for newton's sums. Bro i'm just using this now instead of the formula lmao.
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@above You don’t need to do system of equations for applying Newton’s sums here because you’re not actually finding $s_k.$ It’s just a direct plug into the formula.

This question is literally so stupid omg
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Note that \[s_k= 5s_{k-1}-8s_{k-2}+13s_{k-3}\]so the answer is 10.

Remark: why do ppl learn overkills like Newton sums smh.
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