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k a April Highlights and 2025 AoPS Online Class Information
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k i A Letter to MSM
Arr0w   23
N Sep 19, 2022 by scannose
Greetings.

I have seen many posts talking about commonly asked questions, such as finding the value of $0^0$, $\frac{1}{0}$,$\frac{0}{0}$, $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$, why $0.999...=1$ or even expressions of those terms combined as if that would make them defined. I have made this post to answer these questions once and for all, and I politely ask everyone to link this post to threads that are talking about this issue.
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[*]Firstly, the case of $0^0$. It is usually regarded that $0^0=1$, not because this works numerically but because it is convenient to define it this way. You will see the convenience of defining other undefined things later on in this post.

[*]What about $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$? The issue here is that $\infty$ isn't even rigorously defined in this expression. What exactly do we mean by $\infty$? Unless the example in question is put in context in a formal manner, then we say that $\frac{\infty}{\infty}$ is meaningless.

[*]What about $\frac{1}{0}$? Suppose that $x=\frac{1}{0}$. Then we would have $x\cdot 0=0=1$, absurd. A more rigorous treatment of the idea is that $\lim_{x\to0}\frac{1}{x}$ does not exist in the first place, although you will see why in a calculus course. So the point is that $\frac{1}{0}$ is undefined.

[*]What about if $0.99999...=1$? An article from brilliant has a good explanation. Alternatively, you can just use a geometric series. Notice that
\begin{align*}
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{9}{10^n}&=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{10^n}=9\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\biggr(\frac{1}{10}\biggr)^n=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{1-\frac{1}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{\frac{1}{10}}{\frac{9}{10}}\biggr)=9\biggr(\frac{1}{9}\biggr)=\boxed{1}
\end{align*}
[*]What about $\frac{0}{0}$? Usually this is considered to be an indeterminate form, but I would also wager that this is also undefined.
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Hopefully all of these issues and their corollaries are finally put to rest. Cheers.

2nd EDIT (6/14/22): Since I originally posted this, it has since blown up so I will try to add additional information per the request of users in the thread below.

INDETERMINATE VS UNDEFINED

What makes something indeterminate? As you can see above, there are many things that are indeterminate. While definitions might vary slightly, it is the consensus that the following definition holds: A mathematical expression is be said to be indeterminate if it is not definitively or precisely determined. So how does this make, say, something like $0/0$ indeterminate? In analysis (the theory behind calculus and beyond), limits involving an algebraic combination of functions in an independent variable may often be evaluated by replacing these functions by their limits. However, if the expression obtained after this substitution does not provide sufficient information to determine the original limit, then the expression is called an indeterminate form. For example, we could say that $0/0$ is an indeterminate form.

But we need to more specific, this is still ambiguous. An indeterminate form is a mathematical expression involving at most two of $0$, $1$ or $\infty$, obtained by applying the algebraic limit theorem (a theorem in analysis, look this up for details) in the process of attempting to determine a limit, which fails to restrict that limit to one specific value or infinity, and thus does not determine the limit being calculated. This is why it is called indeterminate. Some examples of indeterminate forms are
\[0/0, \infty/\infty, \infty-\infty, \infty \times 0\]etc etc. So what makes something undefined? In the broader scope, something being undefined refers to an expression which is not assigned an interpretation or a value. A function is said to be undefined for points outside its domain. For example, the function $f:\mathbb{R}^{+}\cup\{0\}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ given by the mapping $x\mapsto \sqrt{x}$ is undefined for $x<0$. On the other hand, $1/0$ is undefined because dividing by $0$ is not defined in arithmetic by definition. In other words, something is undefined when it is not defined in some mathematical context.

WHEN THE WATERS GET MUDDIED

So with this notion of indeterminate and undefined, things get convoluted. First of all, just because something is indeterminate does not mean it is not undefined. For example $0/0$ is considered both indeterminate and undefined (but in the context of a limit then it is considered in indeterminate form). Additionally, this notion of something being undefined also means that we can define it in some way. To rephrase, this means that technically, we can make something that is undefined to something that is defined as long as we define it. I'll show you what I mean.

One example of making something undefined into something defined is the extended real number line, which we define as
\[\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{-\infty,+\infty\}.\]So instead of treating infinity as an idea, we define infinity (positively and negatively, mind you) as actual numbers in the reals. The advantage of doing this is for two reasons. The first is because we can turn this thing into a totally ordered set. Specifically, we can let $-\infty\le a\le \infty$ for each $a\in\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ which means that via this order topology each subset has an infimum and supremum and $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ is therefore compact. While this is nice from an analytic standpoint, extending the reals in this way can allow for interesting arithmetic! In $\overline{\mathbb{R}}$ it is perfectly OK to say that,
\begin{align*}
a + \infty = \infty + a & = \infty, & a & \neq -\infty \\
a - \infty = -\infty + a & = -\infty, & a & \neq \infty \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty] \\
a \cdot (\pm\infty) = \pm\infty \cdot a & = \mp\infty, & a & \in [-\infty, 0) \\
\frac{a}{\pm\infty} & = 0, & a & \in \mathbb{R} \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \pm\infty, & a & \in (0, +\infty) \\
\frac{\pm\infty}{a} & = \mp\infty, & a & \in (-\infty, 0).
\end{align*}So addition, multiplication, and division are all defined nicely. However, notice that we have some indeterminate forms here which are also undefined,
\[\infty-\infty,\frac{\pm\infty}{\pm\infty},\frac{\pm\infty}{0},0\cdot \pm\infty.\]So while we define certain things, we also left others undefined/indeterminate in the process! However, in the context of measure theory it is common to define $\infty \times 0=0$ as greenturtle3141 noted below. I encourage to reread what he wrote, it's great stuff! As you may notice, though, dividing by $0$ is undefined still! Is there a place where it isn't? Kind of. To do this, we can extend the complex numbers! More formally, we can define this extension as
\[\mathbb{C}^*=\mathbb{C}\cup\{\tilde{\infty}\}\]which we call the Riemann Sphere (it actually forms a sphere, pretty cool right?). As a note, $\tilde{\infty}$ means complex infinity, since we are in the complex plane now. Here's the catch: division by $0$ is allowed here! In fact, we have
\[\frac{z}{0}=\tilde{\infty},\frac{z}{\tilde{\infty}}=0.\]where $\tilde{\infty}/\tilde{\infty}$ and $0/0$ are left undefined. We also have
\begin{align*}
z+\tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne -\infty\\
z\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}, \forall z\ne 0
\end{align*}Furthermore, we actually have some nice properties with multiplication that we didn't have before. In $\mathbb{C}^*$ it holds that
\[\tilde{\infty}\times \tilde{\infty}=\tilde{\infty}\]but $\tilde{\infty}-\tilde{\infty}$ and $0\times \tilde{\infty}$ are left as undefined (unless there is an explicit need to change that somehow). One could define the projectively extended reals as we did with $\mathbb{C}^*$, by defining them as
\[{\widehat {\mathbb {R} }}=\mathbb {R} \cup \{\infty \}.\]They behave in a similar way to the Riemann Sphere, with division by $0$ also being allowed with the same indeterminate forms (in addition to some other ones).
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k i Marathon Threads
LauraZed   0
Jul 2, 2019
Due to excessive spam and inappropriate posts, we have locked the Prealgebra and Beginning Algebra threads.

We will either unlock these threads once we've cleaned them up or start new ones, but for now, do not start new marathon threads for these subjects. Any new marathon threads started while this announcement is up will be immediately deleted.
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k i Basic Forum Rules and Info (Read before posting)
jellymoop   368
N May 16, 2018 by harry1234
f (Reminder: Do not post Alcumus or class homework questions on this forum. Instructions below.) f
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jellymoop
May 8, 2015
harry1234
May 16, 2018
Cute diophantine
TestX01   0
11 minutes ago
Find all sequences of four consecutive integers such that twice their product is perfect square minus nine.
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\frac{1}{9}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\geq a^2+\sqrt{a+ b^2} \geq \frac{1}{4}
sqing   1
N 15 minutes ago by sqing
Source: Own
Let $a,b\geq  0 $ and $3a+4b =1 .$ Prove that
$$\frac{2}{3}\geq a +\sqrt{a^2+ 4b^2}\geq  \frac{6}{13}$$$$\frac{1}{9}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\geq a^2+\sqrt{a+ b^2} \geq  \frac{1}{4}$$$$2\geq a+\sqrt{a^2+16b} \geq  \frac{2}{3}\geq  a+\sqrt{a^2+16b^3} \geq  \frac{2(725-8\sqrt{259})}{729}$$
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sqing
Oct 3, 2023
sqing
15 minutes ago
Stronger inequality than an old result
KhuongTrang   22
N 37 minutes ago by KhuongTrang
Source: own, inspired
Problem. Find the best constant $k$ satisfying $$(ab+bc+ca)\left[\frac{1}{(a+b)^{2}}+\frac{1}{(b+c)^{2}}+\frac{1}{(c+a)^{2}}\right]\ge \frac{9}{4}+k\cdot\frac{a(a-b)(a-c)+b(b-a)(b-c)+c(c-a)(c-b)}{(a+b+c)^{3}}$$holds for all $a,b,c\ge 0: ab+bc+ca>0.$
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KhuongTrang
37 minutes ago
Something nice
KhuongTrang   26
N 39 minutes ago by KhuongTrang
Source: own
Problem. Given $a,b,c$ be non-negative real numbers such that $ab+bc+ca=1.$ Prove that

$$\sqrt{a+1}+\sqrt{b+1}+\sqrt{c+1}\le 1+2\sqrt{a+b+c+abc}.$$
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9 AMC 8 Scores
ChromeRaptor777   114
N 2 hours ago by jkim0656
As far as I'm certain, I think all AMC8 scores are already out. Vote above.
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ChromeRaptor777
Apr 1, 2022
jkim0656
2 hours ago
Nats 2024 cutoff Map
MathyMathMan   18
N 4 hours ago by K1mchi_
2024 MATHCOUNTS Nats Cutoff Map

Greetings!

I should first and foremost thank those who helped with this project along the way. This idea is fully inspired by past South Dakota alumni that attended my school. The original ideas were created by @anser and @techguy2. I would also like to thank @peace09 for agreeing to collaborate with me on the scores and ratings during the 2024 state competitions throughout the country.

@peace09's post Cutoffs and Scores

Please state your state and cutoff score. (4th place) You can also provide the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st place scores as well. People from different territories can also provide their state's scores as well. I will try my best to keep this map updated until we get all the scores. You are also free to discuss states and nationals stuff too if you want. :)

(Btw congratulations to everyone who made nationals, I hope to see you guys there too!)

Nats qualification scores
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MathyMathMan
Apr 4, 2024
K1mchi_
4 hours ago
Math and AI 4 Girls
mkwhe   27
N 4 hours ago by Panda729
Hey everyone!

The 2025 MA4G competition is now open!

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Apr 5, 2025
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AMC 10 Preparation over 6 months
raresillypanther   35
N 5 hours ago by mathkidAP
Hi, I'm currently in 8th grade and I have about 6 months left to prepare for the AMC 10, and I really want to qualify for AIME and get above a 100. I took the AMC 8 this year and did really bad, with a score of 16, and a 35 on the MATHCOUNTS Chapter test. I have a feeling I would get about a 70 on the AMC 10 now, so I want to be able to improve by 30 points in 6 months. Is that possible? I have summer break coming up so I feel like I could study for about 4 hours a day every single day, and I'm willing to if that's what it takes. Do you have any ideas for what resources I should use? I know about Alcumus and I have some of the AOPS books, but not all of them. If you have any tips, let me know. Thank you so much!
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5 hours ago
ENTER YOUR CHAPTER INVITATIONAL SCORE
ihatemath123   106
N 5 hours ago by Soupboy0
I'll start:
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ihatemath123&7&26&6&38 \\


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5 hours ago
easy olympiad problem
kjhgyuio   7
N Yesterday at 2:32 PM by Charizard_637
Find all positive integer values of \( x \) such that
\[
\sqrt{x - 2011} + \sqrt{2011 - x} + 10
\]is an integer.
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2500th post
Solocraftsolo   33
N Yesterday at 4:32 AM by Solocraftsolo
i keep forgetting to do these...


2500 is cool.

i am not very sentimental so im not going to post a math story or anything.

here are some problems though

p1p2p3

p4
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Solocraftsolo
Apr 16, 2025
Solocraftsolo
Yesterday at 4:32 AM
Weird Similarity
mithu542   4
N Yesterday at 1:38 AM by EthanNg6
Is it just me or are the 2023 national sprint #21 and 2025 state target #4 strangely similar?
[quote=2023 Natioinal Sprint #21] A right triangle with integer side lengths has perimeter $N$ feet and area $N$ ft^2. What is the arithmetic mean of all possible values of $N$?[/quote]
[quote=2025 State Target #4]Suppose a right triangle has an area of 20 cm^2 and a perimeter of 40 cm. What is
the length of the hypotenuse, in centimeters?[/quote]
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Yesterday at 1:38 AM
geometry problem
kjhgyuio   8
N Yesterday at 1:36 AM by EthanNg6
........
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kjhgyuio
Apr 20, 2025
EthanNg6
Yesterday at 1:36 AM
2025 MATHCOUNTS State Hub
SirAppel   596
N Tuesday at 10:43 PM by Eddie_tiger
Previous Years' "Hubs": (2022) (2023) (2024)Please Read

Now that it's April and we're allowed to discuss ...
[list=disc]
[*] CA: 43 (45 44 43 43 43 42 42 41 41 41)
[*] NJ: 43 (45 44 44 43 39 42 40 40 39 38) *
[*] NY: 42 (43 42 42 42 41 40)
[*] TX: 42 (43 43 43 42 42 40 40 38 38 38)
[*] MA: 41 (45 43 42 41)
[*] WA: 41 (41 45 42 41 41 41 41 41 41 40) *
[*]VA: 40 (41 40 40 40)
[*] FL: 39 (42 41 40 39 38 37 37)
[*] IN: 39 (41 40 40 39 36 35 35 35 34 34)
[*] NC: 39 (42 42 41 39)
[*] IL: 38 (41 40 39 38 38 38)
[*] OR: 38 (44 39 38 38)
[*] PA: 38 (41 40 40 38 38 37 36 36 34 34) *
[*] MD: 37 (43 39 39 37 37 37)
[*] AZ: 36 (40? 39? 39 36)
[*] CT: 36 (44 38 38 36 35 35 34 34 34 33 33 32 32 32 32)
[*] MI: 36 (39 41 41 36 37 37 36 36 36 36) *
[*] MN: 36 (40 36 36 36 35 35 35 34)
[*] CO: 35 (41 37 37 35 35 35 ?? 31 31 30) *
[*] GA: 35 (38 37 36 35 34 34 34 34 34 33)
[*] OH: 35 (41 37 36 35)
[*] AR: 34 (46 45 35 34 33 31 31 31 29 29)
[*] NV: 34 (41 38 ?? 34)
[*] TN: 34 (38 ?? ?? 34)
[*] WI: 34 (40 37 37 34 35 30 28 29 29 29) *
[*] HI: 32 (35 34 32 32)
[*] NH: 31 (42 35 33 31 30)
[*] DE: 30 (34 33 32 30 30 29 28 27 26? 24)
[*] SC: 30 (33 33 31 30)
[*] IA: 29 (33 30 31 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 29) *
[*] NE: 28 (34 30 28 28 27 27 26 26 25 25)
[*] SD: 22 (30 29 24 22 22 22 21 21 20 20)
[/list]
Cutoffs Unknown

* means that CDR is official in that state.

Notes

For those asking about the removal of the tiers, I'd like to quote Jason himself:
[quote=peace09]
learn from my mistakes
[/quote]

Help contribute by sharing your state's cutoffs!
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Apr 1, 2025
Eddie_tiger
Tuesday at 10:43 PM
Intersection of a cevian with the incircle
djb86   24
N Mar 30, 2025 by Ilikeminecraft
Source: South African MO 2005 Q4
The inscribed circle of triangle $ABC$ touches the sides $BC$, $CA$ and $AB$ at $D$, $E$ and $F$ respectively. Let $Q$ denote the other point of intersection of $AD$ and the inscribed circle. Prove that $EQ$ extended passes through the midpoint of $AF$ if and only if $AC = BC$.
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Intersection of a cevian with the incircle
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Let $EF\cap AD=X$.Then $E(A,Q,X,D)=-1$. If $EQ$ passes through the midpoint of $AF$, then $E(A,Q,X,\infty)=-1\Longrightarrow ED\parallel AB\Longrightarrow AC=BC$.
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let $M = AF \cap EQ$ and $P = ED \cap AB$. We know $EDQF$ is harmonic, so $-1 = (EF;QD) \stackrel E = (AF;MP)$. If $M$ is the midpoint, then $(AF;M \infty) = -1$, so $ED || AB$, from which it is clear that $AC = BC$. If $AC = BC$, then $DE || AB$, and we have $(AF;M\infty)=-1$, so $M$ is the midpoint of $AF$. Therefore, we are done.
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Let $M=EQ\cap AF$; note $AM=MF \iff (A, F; M, P_{\infty})=-1$, but we have $(A, F; M, P_{\infty})\overset{E}=(E, F; Q, EP_{\infty}\cap \omega)$. Thus, since $(E, F; D, Q)=-1$, it's equivalent to $EP_{\infty}\cap \omega=D$, or $DE||AB$, which in turn is equivalent to $CA=CB$.
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Let $\omega$ be the incricle. Define $Y\in \omega$ such that $\overline{EY}\parallel \overline{AB}$. Then $-1=(AF;X\infty)\stackrel{E}{=}(EF;QY)$. But $(EF;QD)=-1$ since $A=\overline{EE}\cap \overline{FF}\cap \overline{QD}$. Hence $Y=D$, so $\overline{ED} \parallel \overline{AB}$. Therefore, $1=CE/CD=CA/CB$, so $CA=CB$. The opposite direction is very similar.
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$$-1 = (A, F; \overline{QE} \cap \overline{AF}, P_\infty) \stackrel E= (A, \overline{EF} \cap \overline{AD}; Q, \overline{EP_\infty} \cap \overline{AD}).$$But $(A, \overline{EF} \cap \overline{AD}, Q, D)=-1$, so $\overline{DE} \parallel \overline{AB}$ and $AC=BC$.
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First, we have $(E,F;Q,D)=-1$. Now we assume $EQ$ passes through the midpoint $M$ of $AF$. Now if $P_\infty$ is the point at infinity along line $AB$, we have $(A,B;F,P_\infty)=-1$. Projecting through $E$ gives $(E,F;Q,EP_\infty \cap AD)=-1$, which is only possible if the final point is $D$, i.e. $ED||AB$ which implies the problem.
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Let $EQ \cap AF =M$
I have used the Incircle Polars Lemma (EGMO Lemma 9.27) and the Midpoints and Parallels Lemma (EGMO Lemma 9.8)
$$-1 = (E,F;Q,D)\stackrel{E}{=}(A,F;M,ED \ \cap \ AB) \ \text{but} \ AM=MF \iff ED \ \cap \ AB = P_\infty \iff AC=BC \ \ \blacksquare$$
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Let $P=\overline{QE}\cap\overline{AB}.$ Notice \[-1=(Q,D;E,F)\stackrel{E}=(P,\overline{DE}\cap\overline{AB};A,F)\]so $P$ is the midpoint of $\overline{AF}$ if and only if $\overline{DE}\parallel\overline{AB}.$ But $CD=CE$ so $\overline{DE}\parallel\overline{AB}$ is equivalent to $CA=CB,$ as desired. $\square$
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Note that due to tangents at $A$, $EDFQ$ is harmonic. Let $EQ$ intersect $AB$ at $K$.

If $CA=CB$, then $ED$ is parallel to $AB$, so projecting through $E$ we have $$-1=(EF;QD)=(AF;K\infty),$$so $K$ must be the midpoint of $AF.$

On the other hand, if $CA\neq CB$, then $ED$ is not parallel to $AB$. Therefore, in this case let $ED$ and $AB$ intersect at $P$. We would then have $$-1=(EF;QD)=(AF;KP),$$but since $P$ is a finite point, $K$ is not the midpoint of $AF$ in this case, so we are done.
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Let $M' = EQ \cap AF$.. Then since $EF$ is the polar of $A$ wrt the incircle, we have $(A, EF\cap QD;Q, D) = -1$. Taking perspectivity at $E$ gives
$$-1 = (A, EF\cap QD;Q, D) \overset{E}{=} (A, F; M', DE \cap AB).$$Thus, since $(A, F; M, P\infty) = -1$, where $M$ is the midpoint of $\overline{AF}$ and $P\infty$ is the point at infinity along line $AB$, we have $M = M'$ iff $DE \parallel AB \iff AC = BC$.
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Let $\overline{EQ} \cap \overline{AF}=T$ and $P \neq Q$ be the point on the incircle such that $\overline{PQ} \parallel \overline{AB}$. Then $T$ is the midpoint iff $(A,F;T,P_\infty)=-1$. We have $(A,F;T,P_\infty)\stackrel{Q}{=}(D,F;E,P)$, so this is equivalent to $\overline{EP}$ passing through the intersection of the tangents through $D$ and $F$, which is just $B$. If $AC=BC$ this is clearly true by symmetry. Otherwise, note that since $DEPQ$ is cyclic, by Reim's $DEAB$ should be as well, hence by power of a point $CE\cdot CA=CD\cdot CB$, but since $CD=CE$ this is a contradiction. $\blacksquare$
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Note that $QFED$ is harmonic. Let $M$ be the midpoint of $AF$.
As such, $E$, $Q$, $M$ are collinear if and only if \[ (EF;QD) \overset{E}= (A,F;M,\overline{ED} \cap \overline{AB}) = -1. \]This in turn in only holds if $ED \parallel AB$ which holds when \[ \frac{AC}{BC} = \frac{EC}{DC} = 1. \]
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First we prove that if $AC=BC$, then $EQ$ passes through the midpoint of $AF$.
Let $P$ be the intersection of $AD$ and $EF$. Also let line $EQ$ intersect $AF$ at $M$. It is clear that $QFDE$ is harmonic. Projecting through
$F$ onto $AB$ gives $(A,P;Q,D)=1$. Thus $(EA,EP;EQ,ED)=(EA,EF;EM,ED)$ is a harmonic pencil. On the other hand $ED$ is parallel to $AF$. This means that $M$ is the midpoint of $AF$.
For the converse direction, assume that $M$ is the midpoint of $AF$. Note that it's enough to show that $ED$ is parallel to $AB$. Again, $(A,P;Q,D)=1$ and $(EA,EP;EQ,ED)=(EA,EF;EM,ED)$ is a harmonic pencil. But $M$ is the midpoint of $AF$. Thus $ED$ is parallel to $AB$. We're done.
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Let $M=EQ\cap AF$.

Now $-1 = (E,F;Q,D) \overset{E}{=}(A,F;M,ED\cap AB)$.

So now, $M$ is midpoint of $AF \iff ED\parallel AB$ and we are done. :yoda:
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Let $M = \overline{AF} \cap \overline{EQ}$ As its given $MF = MA$ by POP we get


$$ \angle FAD = \angle AEQ \implies  2\angle BAC = 2\angle EQD = \angle DIE$$hence $\angle C = 180 - \angle A \implies CA=CB$. $\blacksquare$
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Oops.

Let $M = QE \cap AF$ and $P$ as the intersection of the incircle with the line through $Q$ parallel to $AB$. Then
\begin{align*}
MA = MF &\iff (AF;M \infty) = -1 \iff (DF;EP) = -1 \\ 
&\iff B, P, E \text{ collinear} \iff ABDE \text{ cyclic} \iff AC = BC. \quad \blacksquare.
\end{align*}
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Quite trivial. Let $M=\overline{QE} \cap \overline{AB}$.

We first make the following observation. Since $AE,AF$ are tangents and $A-Q-D$ we have that,
\[(QD;EF)=-1\]Now, if $CA=CB$, then $ED \parallel AB$ since $2\measuredangle CED = \measuredangle ECD = 2\measuredangle CAB$. Thus,
\[(AF;MP_\infty) \overset{E}{=}(EF;QD)=-1\]This means that $M$ is in fact the midpoint of $AF$ as desired.

If $M$ is the midpoint of $AF$, then note that
\[-1=(EF;QD) \overset{E}{=} (AF;MP)\]where $P= \overline{ED} \cap \overline{AB}$. But, it is well known that $(AF;MP_\infty)=-1$ which implies that $P=P_\infty$ and thus, $ED \parallel AB$ which inturn implies that $\triangle CAB$ is isoceles with $CA=CB$ as desired.
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Let $M$ be the midpoint of $\overline{AF}$. Now \[-1 = (DQ; EF) \stackrel{E}{=} (DE \cap AB, EQ \cap AF; AF)\text{.}\]Now if $AC = BC$ then $DE \parallel AB$ so $EQ \cap AF$ must necessarily be $M$. Conversely, if $EQ \cap AF = M$ then $DE \cap AB = \infty_{AB}$ and so $AC = BC$.
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Let $M$ be the midpoint of $AF$.
If $AC = BC$ then it follows that $DE \parallel AB$ so we have $-1 = (P_{\infty}, M; F, A)$. Since $QEDF$ is a harmonic quadrilateral, we have $-1 = (Q, D; E, F) \overset{E} = (\overline{EQ} \cap \overline{AB}, P_{\infty}; F, A)$ so $\overline{EQ} \cap \overline{AB} = M$.
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Let $EQ\cap AF = M$. If we have AM = MF, then $(A, F; M, P_{\infty}) = -1$, but also $(A, F; M, P_{\infty})\stackrel{E}{=}(E, F; Q, EP_{\infty}\cap \omega) = -1$. Now from AF and AE tangents and A, Q, D being collinear we have that EQFD is a harmonic quadrilateral $\Rightarrow$ $(E, F; Q, D) = -1$ and from $(E, F; Q, EP_{\infty}\cap \omega) =  (E, F; Q, D) = -1$ $\Rightarrow$ $EP_{\infty} \cap \omega = D$, or $DE \parallel AB$, which is equivalent to CA = CB, since CE = CD $\Rightarrow$ we are ready.
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We know $(E,F;Q,D)=-1$ (from tangents at $A$). Taking perspectivity from $E$ onto line $AB$ gives $(A,F;EQ\cap AB,ED\cap AB)=-1.$ Thus, $EQ\cap AB$ is the midpoint of $AF$ iff $ED \cap AB = P_{\infty}$. Since $CE=CD,$ we know by similar triangles $ED \parallel AB$ iff $AC=BC$, and we are done.
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Let $EF\cap AD$ be $P$, we let $ED\cap AB$ be $T$ and we let $EQ\cap AF$ be $M$, we get $-1=(A,P;Q,D)\overset{\mathrm{E}}{=}(A,F;M,T)$ as $M$ is the midpoint
of $AF$ we get that $T$ is the point at infinity so $ED$ is parallel to $AB$ so $AC=BC$.
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\[-1 = (A, F; \overline{QE} \cap \overline{AF}, P_\infty) \stackrel E= (A, \overline{EF} \cap \overline{AD}; Q, \overline{EP_\infty} \cap \overline{AD}).\]But $(A, \overline{EF} \cap \overline{AD}, Q, D)=-1$, so $\overline{DE} \parallel \overline{AB}$ and $AC=BC$.
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