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Discuss the Stanford Math Tournament Here
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N 12 minutes ago by BS2012
I believe discussion is allowed after yesterday at midnight, correct?
If so, I will put tentative answers on this thread.
By the way, does anyone know the answer to Geometry Problem 5? I was wondering if I got that one right
Also, if you put answers, please put it in a hide tag

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Predicted AMC 8 Scores
megahertz13   154
N 2 hours ago by Aaronjudgeisgoat
$\begin{tabular}{c|c|c|c}Username & Grade & AMC8 Score \\ \hline
megahertz13 & 5 & 23 \\
\end{tabular}$
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N 5 hours ago by IndexLibrorumProhibitorum
Source: USAMO 2015 Problem 1, JMO Problem 2
Solve in integers the equation
\[ x^2+xy+y^2 = \left(\frac{x+y}{3}+1\right)^3. \]
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How to get good at comp math
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N Today at 6:40 AM by Cha0s
I'm a rising ninth grader who wasn't in the school math league this year, and basically put aside comp math for a year. Unfortunately, that means that now that I'm in high school and having the epiphany about how important comp math actually is, and how much it would help my chances of getting involved in other math-related programs. In addition, I do enjoy math in general, and suspect that things like the AMCs are probably going to be some of the best practice I can get. What this all means is that I'm trying to go from mediocre to orz, 2 years after I probably should have started if I wanted to be any good.

So my question is: how do I get good at comp math?

This year, my scores on AMC 10 (and these are the highest I've ever gotten) were a 73.5 and an 82.5 (AMC 8 was 21/25, but that doesn't matter much). This is not good enough to qualify for AIME, and I probably need to raise my performance on each by at least 10 points. I've been decently good in the past at Number Theory, but I need to work on Geo and Combinatorics, and I'm trying to find the best resources to do that. My biggest flaw is probably not knowing many algorithms like Stars and Bars, and the path is clear here (learn them) but I'm still not sure which ones I need to know.

I'm aware that some of this advice is going to be something like "Practice 5 hours a day and start hardgrinding" or something along those lines. Unfortunately, I have other extracurriculars I need to balance, and for me, time is a limiting resource. My parents are somewhat frowning upon me doing a lot of comp math, which limits my time as well. I have neither the time nor motivation to do more than an hour a day, and in practice, I don't think I can be doing that consistently. As such, I would need to make that time count.

I know this is a very general question, and that aops is chock-full of detailed advice for math competitions. However, I'd appreciate it if anyone here could help me out, or show me the best resources I should use to get started. What mocks are any good, or what textbooks should I use? Where do I get the best practice with the shortest time? Is there some place I can find a list of useful formulas that have appeared in math comps before?

All advice is welcome!

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N Nov 14, 2024 by buddy2007
Source: 2024 AMC 12B #19
Equilateral $\triangle ABC$ with side length $14$ is rotated about its center by angle $\theta$, where $0 < \theta < 60^{\circ}$, to form $\triangle DEF$. The area of hexagon $ADBECF$ is $91\sqrt{3}$. What is $\tan\theta$?

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$\textbf{(A)}~\displaystyle\frac{3}{4}\qquad\textbf{(B)}~\displaystyle\frac{5\sqrt{3}}{11}\qquad\textbf{(C)}~\displaystyle\frac{4}{5}\qquad\textbf{(D)}~\displaystyle\frac{11}{13}\qquad\textbf{(E)}~\displaystyle\frac{7\sqrt{3}}{13}$
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Equilateral $\triangle ABC$ with side length $14$ is rotated about its center by angle $\theta$, where $0 < \theta < 60^{\circ}$, to form $\triangle DEF$. The area of hexagon $ADBECF$ is $91\sqrt{3}$. What is $\tan\theta$?

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defaultpen(fontsize(13)); size(200);
pair O=(0,0),A=dir(225),B=dir(-15),C=dir(105),D=rotate(38.21,O)*A,E=rotate(38.21,O)*B,F=rotate(38.21,O)*C;
draw(A--B--C--A,gray+0.4);draw(D--E--F--D,gray+0.4); draw(A--D--B--E--C--F--A,black+0.9); dot(O); dot("$A$",A,dir(A)); dot("$B$",B,dir(B)); dot("$C$",C,dir(C)); dot("$D$",D,dir(D)); dot("$E$",E,dir(E)); dot("$F$",F,dir(F));
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$\textbf{(A)}~\displaystyle\frac{3}{4}\qquad\textbf{(B)}~\displaystyle\frac{5\sqrt{3}}{11}\qquad\textbf{(C)}~\displaystyle\frac{4}{5}\qquad\textbf{(D)}~\displaystyle\frac{11}{13}\qquad\textbf{(E)}~\displaystyle\frac{7\sqrt{3}}{13}$
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shiamk
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I got B 5sqrt3/11
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You get like (sin theta + sin(120-theta)) * ((14/sqrt3)^2/2) * 3 = 91sqrt3
which becomes sin(theta+30) = 13/14

so tan(theta+30) = 13/3sqrt3, and then just do tangent subtraction
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Drop an altitude from one of the three obtuse triangles on the side; it has length $2\sqrt3$. Then you can find the length of the segment from the vertex to the foot and consequently find $\tan\theta$.
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[asy]
size(250);
import geometry;

// Define the side length of the equilateral triangle
real sideLength = 14;
real radius = sideLength / (2 * sin(60 * pi / 180)); // Radius of the circumscribed circle

// Define the rotation angle theta where tan(theta) = 5sqrt(3)/11
real theta = atan(5 * sqrt(3) / 11);

// Define the center of the circle
pair O = (0,0);

// Draw the circle in black
draw(circle(O, radius), linewidth(0.8) + black);

// Define the vertices of the original triangle, with A in the top left
pair A = dir(150) * radius;   // Position A in the top-left
pair C = dir(270) * radius;   // C is at the bottom
pair B = dir(30) * radius;    // B is at the top-right

// Draw the original triangle in black
draw(A--B--C--cycle, linewidth(0.8) + black);

// Label the vertices of the original triangle in black
label("$A$", A, NW, black);
label("$B$", B, NE, black);
label("$C$", C, S, black);

// Rotate the triangle by angle -theta for a clockwise rotation
pair A1 = rotate(-degrees(theta)) * A;
pair B1 = rotate(-degrees(theta)) * B;
pair C1 = rotate(-degrees(theta)) * C;

// Draw the rotated triangle in black
draw(A1--B1--C1--cycle, linewidth(0.8) + black);

// Label the vertices of the rotated triangle in black
label("$A'$", A1, NW, black);
label("$B'$", B1, NE, black);
label("$C'$", C1, S, black);

// Connect the specified pairs of vertices
draw(A--C1, dashed + black);
draw(C--B1, dashed + black);
draw(B--A1, dashed + black);

// Connect each corresponding vertex between the original and rotated triangle
draw(A--A1, dashed + black);
draw(B--B1, dashed + black);
draw(C--C1, dashed + black);

// Add the center point O
dot(O, black);
label("$O$", O, NE, black);

// Project points A and A' down onto the horizontal line
pair A_proj = (A.x, 0);
pair A1_proj = (A1.x, 0);

// Draw only the segment OA_proj on the horizontal line
draw(O--A_proj, dashed + black);

// Project A and A' onto the horizontal line with dotted lines
draw(A--A_proj, dotted + black);
draw(A1--A1_proj, dotted + black);

// Mark the projections
dot(A_proj, black);
dot(A1_proj, black);

// Label the projections
label("$A_{proj}$", A_proj, S, black);
label("$A'_{proj}$", A1_proj, S, black);

// Add lines from O to A and O to A'
draw(O--A, dotted + black);
draw(O--A1, dotted + black);

// Find the intersection of line A'A'_{proj} and AB
pair X = intersectionpoint(A1--A1_proj, A--B);

// Draw and label the intersection point X
dot(X, black);
label("$X$", X, S, black);
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Note that \( \theta = \angle A'OA'_{\text{proj}} - \angle AOA_{\text{proj}} \). Calculation of the tangents of those angles and then an application of the tangent subtraction formula yields \(\tan \theta = \frac{5\sqrt{3}}{11}. \)
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its just breaking the hexagon into 6 triangles and using sin area formula. It took me 5 mins ish tho :(
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Let $AD=x$, $DB=y$, then the area of $ADB$ is $\frac{91\sqrt{3}-49\sqrt{3}}{3}=14\sqrt{3}$. By Sine area formula, $xy=56$, and by LoC (angle $ADB$ = 120 by cyclic quad properties), $x^2+xy+y^2=196$. Then, solving these equations gives $x=2\sqrt{7}, y=4\sqrt{7}$, so $\sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}=\frac{x}{OC}=\frac{2\sqrt{7}}{\frac{14}{\sqrt{3}}}$. Then, by trig bash, you get $\tan{\theta}=\frac{5\sqrt{3}}{11}$.
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Mine.

Let $O$ be the center of triangles $ABC$ and $DEF$, $P$ be the foot of the altitude from $D$ to $\overline{AB}$, and $M$ be the midpoint of $\overline{AB}$. Remark that the condition $\theta\leq 60^\circ$ implies that $P$ lies on segment $\overline{AM}$ (as opposed to segment $\overline{BM}$). Furthermore, observe that $O$ is the center of circle $\odot(ADB)$, so by the Inscribed Angle Theorem $\angle DOA = 2\angle DBA$. It suffices to compute $\tan\angle DBA$ and then use the Tangent Double Angle Formula to obtain $\tan\theta$.
[asy]
import olympiad;
size(200);
defaultpen(linewidth(0.6)+fontsize(11));
real t = 48;
pair A = dir(90), B = dir(210), C = dir(330), D = dir(90 + t), E = dir(210 + t), F = dir(330 + t), O = origin, P = foot(D,A,B), M = (A+B)/2;
draw(D--P--A^^rightanglemark(D,P,A,2));
draw(A--B--C--cycle^^D--E--F--cycle^^A--O--D--B);
draw(unitcircle,linetype("3 3"));
label("$A$",A,dir(O--A));
label("$B$",B,dir(O--B));
label("$C$",C,dir(O--C));
label("$D$",D,dir(O--D));
label("$E$",E,dir(O--E));
label("$F$",F,dir(O--F));
label("$O$",O,S);
label("$P$",P,SE);
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The area of $\triangle ABC$ is $\tfrac{14^2\sqrt 3}4 = 49\sqrt 3$. Because hexagon $ADBECF$ consists of $\triangle ABC$ plus three copies of $\triangle ADB$, the area of $\triangle ADB$ is $\tfrac{91\sqrt 3 - 49\sqrt 3}3 = 14\sqrt 3$. This means $DP = 2 \sqrt 3$. Additionally, because $AB = 14$, $OM = \tfrac{7\sqrt 3}3$ and $OD = \tfrac{14\sqrt 3}3$. It follows from the Pythagorean Theorem that
\begin{align*}
MP &= \sqrt{OD^2 - (OM + DP)^2}\\
   &= \sqrt{\left(\frac{14 \sqrt 3}3\right)^2 - \left(\frac{13\sqrt 3}3\right)^2}\\
   &= \sqrt{\frac{14^2 - 13^2}3} = \sqrt{\frac{27}3} = 3.
\end{align*}Finally, $BP = 7 + 3 = 10$, so $\tan\angle DBA = \tfrac{2\sqrt 3}{10} = \tfrac{\sqrt 3}5$ and
\[
\tan \theta = \tan(2\angle DOB) = \frac{\frac{2\sqrt 3}5}{1 - \frac{3}{25}} = \frac{5\sqrt 3}{11}.
\]
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djmathman wrote:
Mine.

Let $O$ be the center of triangles $ABC$ and $DEF$, $P$ be the foot of the altitude from $D$ to $\overline{AB}$, and $M$ be the midpoint of $\overline{AB}$. Remark that the condition $\theta\leq 60^\circ$ implies that $P$ lies on segment $\overline{AM}$ (as opposed to segment $\overline{BM}$). Furthermore, observe that $O$ is the center of circle $\odot(ADB)$, so by the Inscribed Angle Theorem $\angle DOA = 2\angle DBA$. It suffices to compute $\tan\angle DBA$ and then use the Tangent Double Angle Formula to obtain $\tan\theta$.
[asy]
import olympiad;
size(200);
defaultpen(linewidth(0.6)+fontsize(11));
real t = 48;
pair A = dir(90), B = dir(210), C = dir(330), D = dir(90 + t), E = dir(210 + t), F = dir(330 + t), O = origin, P = foot(D,A,B), M = (A+B)/2;
draw(D--P--A^^rightanglemark(D,P,A,2));
draw(A--B--C--cycle^^D--E--F--cycle^^A--O--D--B);
draw(unitcircle,linetype("3 3"));
label("$A$",A,dir(O--A));
label("$B$",B,dir(O--B));
label("$C$",C,dir(O--C));
label("$D$",D,dir(O--D));
label("$E$",E,dir(O--E));
label("$F$",F,dir(O--F));
label("$O$",O,S);
label("$P$",P,SE);
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The area of $\triangle ABC$ is $\tfrac{14^2\sqrt 3}4 = 49\sqrt 3$. Because hexagon $ADBECF$ consists of $\triangle ABC$ plus three copies of $\triangle ADB$, the area of $\triangle ADB$ is $\tfrac{91\sqrt 3 - 49\sqrt 3}3 = 14\sqrt 3$. This means $DP = 2 \sqrt 3$. Additionally, because $AB = 14$, $OM = \tfrac{7\sqrt 3}3$ and $OD = \tfrac{14\sqrt 3}3$. It follows from the Pythagorean Theorem that
\begin{align*}
MP &= \sqrt{OD^2 - (OM + DP)^2}\\
   &= \sqrt{\left(\frac{14 \sqrt 3}3\right)^2 - \left(\frac{13\sqrt 3}3\right)^2}\\
   &= \sqrt{\frac{14^2 - 13^2}3} = \sqrt{\frac{27}3} = 3.
\end{align*}Finally, $BP = 7 + 3 = 10$, so $\tan\angle DBA = \tfrac{2\sqrt 3}{10} = \tfrac{\sqrt 3}5$ and
\[
\tan \theta = \tan(2\angle DOB) = \frac{\frac{2\sqrt 3}5}{1 - \frac{3}{25}} = \frac{5\sqrt 3}{11}.
\]

Strange question but how did you decide what $\theta$ / area to use for this problem, given that the solution is pretty agnostic to the choice of $\theta$?
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YaoAOPS wrote:
Strange question but how did you decide what $\theta$ / area to use for this problem, given that the solution is pretty agnostic to the choice of $\theta$?
If I remember correctly, I chose the numbers to satisfy a few constraints.
  • In my solution (which is, admittedly, a pretty unorthodox one), I compute $\tan \angle DPB$ by writing $BP = BM + MP$. I wanted $MP$ to be an integer, because otherwise $\tan\angle DPB$ would be some annoying mixed radical and the computation would spiral during the double angle step at the end.
  • The numbers needed to be fairly small. They also, ideally, should only involve integers and $\sqrt 3$ terms, because those naturally appear when working with equilateral triangles (no funny business here!).
  • That said, the numbers couldn't be too small, because I wanted to avoid silly degenerate cases like $MP = 0$. (That is, I wanted the configuration to be "general" enough so that people actually needed to work to find the answer. Otherwise, it would feel as if the problem was set up for no good reason.)
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In contest solution (using dj diagram):

First, it is easy to show that $AO^2 = \frac{196}{3}$. Now consider $[AOD] + [DOB]$. Using $\frac12 ab \sin C$, we have $\frac{98}{3} (\sin \theta + \sin(120^\circ - \theta)) = \frac{91\sqrt3}{3}$.

Let $\alpha = 60^\circ - \theta$. Use sum-to-product: this gives $\sin(60^\circ - \alpha) + \sin(60^\circ + \alpha) = 2\sin 60^\circ \cos \alpha = \sqrt3\cos \alpha$.

Now we have $\frac{98\sqrt3}{3}\cos \alpha = \frac{91\sqrt3}{3}$. Solving gives $\cos \alpha = \frac{13}{14}$. Then $\sin \alpha = \frac{\sqrt{27}}{14}$ so $\tan \alpha = \frac{\sqrt{27}}{13}$.

Now we have $\tan \theta = \tan(60^\circ - \alpha) = \frac{\sqrt3 - \tan \alpha}{1 + \sqrt3 \tan \alpha} = \boxed{\frac{5\sqrt3}{11}}$.
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Set $\theta=2\gamma$. Then $AO = \frac{14}{\sqrt 3}$ and $AD = \frac{28}{\sqrt 3}\sin(\gamma)$. Furthermore, $\angle DAB = 60-\gamma$ so the altitude from $D$ in $\triangle ADB$ is $\frac{28}{\sqrt 3}\sin(\gamma)\sin(60-\gamma)$. Then $[ADB]=\frac{196}{\sqrt 3}\sin(\gamma)\sin(60-\gamma)$. Since $3[ADB]+[ABC]=91\sqrt 3$, $[ADB]=\frac{42}{\sqrt 3}$, so $\sin(\gamma)\sin(60-\gamma)=\frac 3{14}$. Then $\cos(60-\theta)-\frac 12 = \frac 37$, so \[\cos(60-\theta) = \frac{13}{14}.\]This also gives $\sin(60-\theta)=\frac{3\sqrt 3}{14}$, so $\tan(60-\theta) = \frac{3\sqrt 3}{13}$. Finally, \[\tan(\theta) = \tan(60-(60-\theta)) = \frac{\sqrt 3 - \frac{3\sqrt 3}{13}}{1 + \frac 9{13}}=\frac{10\sqrt 3}{22} = \boxed{\frac{5\sqrt 3}{11}}.\]
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defaultpen(fontsize(13)); size(200);
pair O=(0,0),A=dir(225),B=dir(-15),C=dir(105),D=rotate(38.21,O)*A,E=rotate(38.21,O)*B,F=rotate(38.21,O)*C;
draw(A--B--C--A,gray+0.4);draw(D--E--F--D,gray+0.4); draw(A--D--B--E--C--F--A,black+0.9); dot(O); dot("$A$",A,dir(A)); dot("$B$",B,dir(B)); dot("$C$",C,dir(C)); dot("$D$",D,dir(D)); dot("$E$",E,dir(E)); dot("$F$",F,dir(F));
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just draw lines from the center to each of the vertices, use 0.5absin and you get that sin(x) + sin(120 - x) is 13sqrt3/14 and you check answer choices and you realize that B works
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